A Word About Article Spinning

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I just want to say that I wish people wouldn't put their faith in article spinning. It's such a waste of time.

Here's the thing: Even if your rank number 1 for your keywords, it won't do you any good if your article isn't well written. Within seconds of visiting a website, people decide that they'll either keep reading, or click the "back" button. Ask yourself what you're giving them in order to keep them there

Believe me, it's so much better to just use original articles.
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  • Profile picture of the author sonicadam123
    If they do it's their choice, it just makes things easier for us who actually write our articles and don't rely on spinning our articles into garbled text that looks like a 5 year old wrote it.

    Despite your good intentions, some people will just look for the easiest and quickest option, not always the best option.
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  • Profile picture of the author hilarious89
    You are right. I always prefer to make original articles. I believe that a well written article has a power to keep visitor reading your sites content.

    But at the same time I wanna say that article writing is very tough job. Everyone doesn't capable of writing articles.
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    • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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      Originally Posted by hilarious89 View Post

      You are right. I always prefer to make original articles. I believe that a well written article has a power to keep visitor reading your sites content.

      But at the same time I wanna say that article writing is very tough job. Everyone doesn't capable of writing articles.
      This is very true, but for those who cannot write, there is still much to be gained from article marketing. All you have to do is jump to the other side of the equation. Instead of writing articles to be syndicated, be the one that syndicates the articles. You get content you were never going to be able to produce (most times for free), your site becomes known as a home for useful information in your niche, and you profit.
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  • Profile picture of the author MidlandsMarketer
    You know what, I'm probably going to get strung from pillar to post for saying this, but here goes: I don't think there is anything wrong with spinning articles as long as it is done properly.

    I'll qualify this- I of course mean spinning my own articles, and would never condone the use of spinning as a way to pass off stolen content as your own. I also understand that some people do not believe that spinning an article so that it can be distributed to different web 2.0 properties is an effective strategy. Fewer still are those who agree with submitting spun articles to a wide range of directories. I don't intend this post to raise questions about those issues, as let's face it we could open a series of new threads dealing with them.

    When I spin an article, I will take the desired prose and paste it into a spinner. The choice of program really, really doesn't matter- and I use the cheapest one I could get my hands on. (Rewriter Demon, for those interested) The reason for this is that the functionality of the program is irrelevant to me- all I need is something that can handle Spintax.

    I then proceed to go through the article, usually breaking it up into smaller paragraphs for the sake of editing. Rather than just changing words for synonyms, I will usually provide alternatives for entire sentences, often using nested spintax on individual words within the sentences to provide greater uniqueness.

    The key is, of course, to make sure that any articles turned out by the spinning process make perfect sense and read just as well as the original article. This isn't the easiest task, but for those who are willing to put in the time and effort (a 500 word article can take me up to an hour to properly setup), the result is a set of high-quality articles that allow a degree of uniqueness to be retained.

    Again, my point here is not to debate why this method may be used, merely to demonstrate that 'spinning' is not neccesarily a byword for badly written articles. In short, machine spinning = bad, human spinning = good.
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  • Profile picture of the author datingworld
    i do believe article spinning is just waste of time,
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    The first time i tried an article spinner, it was laughable. I spent more time editing the article than i cared to do. I only stick with 100% unique articles.
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    • Profile picture of the author Christopher Fox
      C'mon now. All of you negative Nancys are missing the real point about spinning - it's for the children. We are trying to cure cancer, after all.

      Cancer?!? Yea, cancer:

      I hate this spinning discussion. Let's say Pat has the cure for cancer and he posts it on his blog. Curing cancer is good. So Pat spins articles about curing cancer and posts them everywhere so he can help the most people while playing by the rules that GOOGLE has set.

      That from a #1 positioned site making all kinds o' cash telling people how to, well, make all kinds of cash on the net. You know, one of the gurus who makes more money from a website selling a system than they do by using that system on other niche sites ...

      See? You just have to put the right, umm, spin on spinning and it all makes perfect sense.

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  • Profile picture of the author UMS
    Originally Posted by Long Beach Nathan View Post

    Believe me, it's so much better to just use original articles.
    I can show you plenty of websites that have 100% original non-spinable articles that are complete unreadable rubbish.

    It's certainly true that spinning articles can produce unreadable (very easily), but it doesn't necessarily have to be the case.
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    • Profile picture of the author Christopher Fox
      Originally Posted by UMS View Post

      I can show you plenty of websites that have 100% original non-spinable articles that are complete unreadable rubbish.
      You will get no argument from me, and I am sure many others, on that point. Fo' sure.

      But, I'll kick a spun article's ass up and down the net all day, everyday, with my writing skills. So will many others. A couple of those others are in this thread, as a matter of fact.

      And in the end, it is us who will be left standing, not a spun article that lacks a writer's touch. Give it a couple more years. You'll see ...
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      • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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        Originally Posted by UMS View Post

        I can show you plenty of websites that have 100% original non-spinable articles that are complete unreadable rubbish.
        Yup, of course you can. Original content does not necessarily go hand in hand with quality content. No one was insinuating that either.

        Originally Posted by UMS View Post

        It's certainly true that spinning articles can produce unreadable (very easily), but it doesn't necessarily have to be the case.
        You are correct here as well. For the effort it would take to produce a manageable piece of spun content though, you are much better off creating another original piece.

        Originally Posted by Christopher Fox View Post

        You will get no argument from me, and I am sure many others, on that point. Fo' sure.

        But, I'll kick a spun article's ass up and down the net, all day, everyday, with my writing skills. So will many others. A couple of those others are in this thread, as a matter of fact.

        And in the end, it is us who will be left standing, not a spun article that lacks a writer's touch. Give it a couple more years. You'll see ...
        This.

        Even an amazingly spun article leaves a footprint. You can just tell that there is something about it that isn't quite...well original for lack of a better word.
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  • Profile picture of the author FreshFireOne
    Sounds a similar vain of thought to my rant about pointless blogs!!!

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ess-blogs.html
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  • Profile picture of the author cashcow
    I think that most people that spin articles don't intend them to be the content that the target user reads.

    They use the spun articles to submit to article directories (the crappy ones) and blog networks (if any are still even indexed) in order to get back links to their (hopefully) good quality article which they are trying to rank.

    Of course now with Google de-indexing all the blog networks and devaluing these types of links, there really is no benefit to spinning articles at all anymore. None.

    Sadly, lots of people won't believe this because the majority of folks want to believe there is a push button solution to making money online.
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    • Profile picture of the author FreshFireOne
      Originally Posted by cashcow View Post

      Sadly, lots of people won't believe this because the majority of folks want to believe there is a push button solution to making money online.
      People are lazy... anything for a quick buck.... They are not in this for the long term... they have no real strategy for marketing.

      Spinning articles and link building are not a marketing strategy!!!
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    • Profile picture of the author FreshFireOne
      Originally Posted by Greg Wildermuth View Post

      But I guess it all comes down to this question: Which is faster, writing your own or editing spun content? Editing spun articles would drive me completely insane, but then again, I write fast.
      You just got an order... I'm curious to try out your writing skills! :-) Filling out your form now!
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  • Profile picture of the author Marsala
    I only use original content on my own website. I use spun articles from time to time in my link building.
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  • Profile picture of the author cheyser
    Yes I agree Because The spiined articles sometimes rejected by article directories or even web 2.0 such a big waste.
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  • Profile picture of the author WFmarketer
    There's soem value to spun content. Use it for your article submission , build backlinks, etc.
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    • Profile picture of the author FreshFireOne
      Originally Posted by WFmarketer View Post

      There's soem value to spun content. Use it for your article submission , build backlinks, etc.
      The irony of talking about low quality content and spelling errors!!! :p hehe
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  • Profile picture of the author Eric Seiler
    I'm not against article spinning but the question is whether or not it is worthwhile these days. At one point it certainly was effective but as mentioned the warehouses of spun content are getting delisted or haven't really provided quality backlinks for a long time.

    I use spinning on a limited basis but if it died tomorrow I wouldn't be that upset. It's the kind of fabrication that makes you roll your eyes but if it works, it works.

    At some point it will be more cost-effective to just outsource rewrites instead of spinning or create new content (it already is in many cases). That's probably not a bad thing to look forward to...well, except for those people who are REALLY good at spinning.
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  • Profile picture of the author BHeard
    As above - electronic spinning and the human spinning which is usually outsourced and hence gives that uniquely unreadable english is the reason the big G has to reinvent ways to detect all manner of spam including article spun spamming., The reason our client sites remain in place because we do not touch any of these spammy tricks - you will pay in the end one way or another. And the rest of us just move up the ranks when a new algorithum knocks out the latest spam version it picks up = like the newest private blog network the big G seems to have its spiders onto..
    Do it right or don't do it. you are just taking up valuable space...
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  • Profile picture of the author sevaans
    The first time that I heard of an article spinner, I was SO excited!! But then I downloaded it and tried it out, and that's when I was reminded of all that fancy packaging hiding a dud toy when I was a kid.

    I find article spinners useful sometimes for helping me with my synonyms and to make the articles more creative (cloud thesaurus and stuff), but that can also be done with Wordweb Pro which is as good (useful alt + left click function, like the MS Word function) which is really nice to use.

    It might also be useful when you have some articles that are not content-important that you need to make a couple of copies of, otherwise, you might just want to stay away, or use them but still put in the effort.
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  • Profile picture of the author JeremiahSay
    I've read a spun article before. I was like WT* ! I couldn't even finished the 1st paragraph.

    Yes, original article is much better For those of you who have not read a spun article before, ask those who have, or just spin 1 yourself.

    Good luck spinning your articles,
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  • Profile picture of the author sevaans
    "My computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing."
    Jeremiah Say - funny quote Jeremiah.

    Reminds me of that video where an employee gets so frustrated with not being able to print from a computer that he grams the monitor, rips it from the desk, takes it to the photocopier, and puts its screen on the copy machine to print. It didn't work of course, but was hilarious!
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  • Profile picture of the author MarvinRivera
    Yeah, spunned articles are really funny at times, I use them regularly... to just make fun of it.

    Original is the best choice, your investing for your business why not invest in a nice way.

    Cheers,
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    • Profile picture of the author Ray Erdmann
      When you don't take the time to learn how to use a spinner, then the output will look like sh**!

      However, once you actually take the time to learn how to use even the simplest spinner and spin not just synonyms, but whole sentences and/or paragraphs, the output is just as readable as if you took the time to write a whole new article!

      In short...garbage in...garbage out!
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      • Profile picture of the author MidlandsMarketer
        Originally Posted by Ray Erdmann View Post

        When you don't take the time to learn how to use a spinner, then the output will look like sh**!

        However, once you actually take the time to learn how to use even the simplest spinner and spin not just synonyms, but whole sentences and/or paragraphs, the output is just as readable as if you took the time to write a whole new article!

        In short...garbage in...garbage out!
        Exactly. An article spinner is a tool- and used properly can produce good quality rewrites.

        Again, whether or not you should do this is irrelevant, but the fact of the matter is that spun content does not neccesarily = garbage.
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  • Profile picture of the author RnGWriter
    Spinning is a short cut used by those who want to make money using the internet but have very little knowledge on how the internet works as a publishing platform. If what u have isn't unique, isn't even passable, how do you expect to make your online presence felt?
    Long story short: Spinning is crap. Don't Do it. Quality reigns over quantity any day of the week
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  • Profile picture of the author SamDermot
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    Spun articles are used for many purposes, some link builders use them for link building and they submit to different article directories.
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    • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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      Originally Posted by SamDermot View Post

      Spun articles are used for many purposes, some link builders use them for link building and they submit to different article directories.
      And that is now proven to be ineffective by Google's latest changes. Your point is?

      Oh, and anyone submitting spun content to directories for their link juice is going to be seriously disappointed. Do people not check up on the links after and realize nothing happens :confused:?
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      • Profile picture of the author SoftWarp
        He who can write quality content also can spin quality content...

        No matter how "smart" your spin engine is, it's never going to be creative.
        It does not even ever have an "idea" about the structure of language.
        Which is to say: quality spinning is an art mastered by the spinner and only put into bytes by the engine.

        And spinning works well for all who have a good technical command of the structures of language and how to use them.

        Saying "it does not work" just goes to show that he who failed to spin stuff to proper results should try a little harder and especially get better acquainted with language structures.

        And believe it or not: well done, it surely helps to quickly produce a lot of decent and unique content for various purposes and with various benefits.

        But truth be told: not everybody who sets out to make money online started off as a lingo wiz?

        So be it code or content:

        start off with logic

        add clear language with knowledge of underlying structures

        and be what you want

        a cool programmer or

        a smart spinner
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        • Profile picture of the author cashcow
          Originally Posted by SoftWarp View Post

          Saying "it does not work" just goes to show that he who failed to spin stuff to proper results should try a little harder and especially get better acquainted with language structures.

          And believe it or not: well done, it surely helps to quickly produce a lot of decent and unique content for various purposes and with various benefits.
          If you spin stuff properly (i.e. manually) you can get good articles. The problem is that there doesn't seem to be a use for them anymore. Links from article directories really have no value and blog networks are a huge waste of time and money now.

          For guest blogging you aren't going to pass an article that says the same thing but uses different words around, or if you do, you won't be asked to guest blog for long. For syndicating you use the same article anyway so no need for spun articles.

          The only value I see in spinning is that maybe you could use these articles on your own private network to get yourself some link juice.

          Am I missing something?
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          • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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            Originally Posted by cashcow View Post


            Am I missing something?
            Nope. Just people struggling to cling to a failed method because the alternative is doing actual work to build a business.
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            • Profile picture of the author SoftWarp
              I read a lot of not fully valid arguments here.

              Originally Posted by Joe Robinson View Post

              Nope. Just people struggling to cling to a failed method because the alternative is doing actual work to build a business.
              You don't build a business by not spinning, nor do you spoil one by spinning.
              Spinning is one out of many tools for the IM and comes in quite handy

              IF you want to put out a lot of content quickly and

              IF you start off with decent content and

              IF you know how to spin and

              IF your spin engine actually works well (some just don't...)

              Any of these requirements not met: just don't spin, you don't have to after all.

              Originally Posted by jbrownmarketing View Post

              If people are spinning articles and now even proof reading to make sure it reads well they won't have any success in this industry.
              Any text body needs proof reading. Usually twice. I wrote (wrote, not spun!) a couple of books, they went through three proof readings and still contained mistakes.

              The word wizzard who writes flawless text in the first run is yet to be born. So as you have to proof read anything anyway, spun text can still be produced much faster than handwritten text.

              Basic question still is the same: do you need a lot of content quickly?

              If not so, why spin anyway?

              But technically it surely works. You can actually proof it.

              Write half a page of decent content.

              Spin it to six versions.

              Ask someone to tell you which was the original.

              Write six text versions by hand.

              Ask someone which of these version were unspun...

              Take the time for both ways.

              And you'll see: spinning is faster.

              The spun stuff comes out silly: learn spinning
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  • Profile picture of the author simona86
    Spun articles are never a great idea in my opinion. Considering Google takes grammar, spelling, and paragraph structure into consideration when delivering relevant results, spun articles don't compare to human-written content.
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  • Profile picture of the author Long Beach Nathan
    I've noticed that some of what's said here in terms of spinning seems to border on manually rewriting the articles. I'm not sure how effective that can be, but I'd imagine it's still much better than producing some of the virtually unreadable text that I see so often.

    But in my opinion, if you go to the the trouble to carefully "spin" an article, it might be easier just to write a completely new, similar article from scratch.
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  • Profile picture of the author James B
    Waste of time and money its such a joke. You`ll spend more time editing than originally planned.
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  • Profile picture of the author jbrownmarketing
    If people are spinning articles and now even proof reading to make sure it reads well they won't have any success in this industry.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeraldNitram
    At last. I was waiting for this kind of answer. There are people who brand something as bad without actually seeing if there's something good that it can do. If you're going to COMPLETELY rely on spinning, then that's the bad thing. If you're going to use it in such a way that the spun content can still be considered as quality, then why not? Also, I wouldn't spin an article that's already posted. I'd spin something that I created prior to actually posting it just so that I can replace it with content that has better wording.
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  • Profile picture of the author cashcow
    Sure, spinning is great if you need a lot of content that says the same exact thing but my question is, how is that useful today?

    Surely, you wouldn't put 100 articles that all say the same thing on your blog, would you?

    All the blog networks are being deindexed so no sense in putting it on one of those.

    Links from article directories have little value so no sense in wasting time on that.

    I guess you could use them for web2.0 properties but how many of those are you going to build? Wouldn't it be quicker to just write all new articles then to spend hours tweaking a series of spun articles?

    I know from experience that spinning an article that actually comes out good can take 4 or 5 hours - sometimes all day and there are very little ways to use those articles now so I'm wondering how do you benefit from a bunch of articles that all say the same thing?
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