Advice to my Warriors! Get PAID what you're WORTH!

by atrbiz
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Hello Warriors!

Below are some tips I've put together for those that are offering a service (SEO, web design,etc.) Enjoy

If you are a freelancer, then you know the importance of your work and the rate that should be charged per project in your area of expertise. There are however, people out there who also know the rate but will try to short change you. This is when you need to stand your ground and make it clear that you won’t allow them to take advantage of you.

There are various ways that you can approach this type of situation:

Take the high road
When responding to a potential client who is attempting to pay you a lower rate than what you should be receiving, act as though the client doesn’t know that the rate is low. As a freelancer, it is now your responsibility to inform them of the proper rate that they should be charging. You can do this by stating other freelance gigs that are similar to the scope of work that is outlined and reference what you previously have been paid for such jobs.

Use your experience
When you are applying for any freelance job, you should always attach clips of your work so that the client can see that you do have experience, especially if it’s relevant to what you will be doing for them. This way, when the client tries to pay you at a lower rate, you can refer to the clips, offer to send more and make yourself more valuable of an asset. You can also refer to your resume that will list out your experience and highlight your skills.

List out the difficulty in tasks
Usually people outsource to freelance workers because they can’t complete the job themselves or have a lack of experience. Freelancers usually have an area of expertise that attracts them to certain jobs. A client should value your work and if a client is attempting to pay a low rate, it might be necessary to list out each task involved in leading up to completion of the project. Clients sometimes think that certain projects are a lot easier to do than they really are so make sure that the client understands the steps involved and the difficulty of each one.

Know when it’s time to walk away
Sometimes, clients are completely unwilling to negotiate when it comes to prices that they have set for projects. If you know they are in fact taking advantage of you, know when it’s time to walk away. Sometimes, if a client really wants you working for them, they will come back after and be willing to negotiate. If the client was unwilling to negotiate although you’ve tried, be aware that walking away could mean the end of this opportunity. Use this as a last resort as the client will most likely find someone else to do the dirty work.

Best of luck,
Ahmad
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  • Profile picture of the author Taylor889
    thats pretty good advice thank you!
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    • Profile picture of the author atrbiz
      Originally Posted by Taylor889 View Post

      thats pretty good advice thank you!
      You're welcome!

      - Ahmad
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  • Profile picture of the author MidlandsMarketer
    Great advice atrbiz.

    Going back a couple of years when I got started with making money online, I began offering my writing services on freelancing websites. I was a student at one of the UK's top 10 universities, with high grades in my English GCSE and A levels. However, I was desperate just to secure a writing gig so I ended up with jobs such as '20 500 word articles for $100.'

    Being who I am, I put my all into these articles (so some people got a fantastic bargain!) and spent a long time earning very little for my efforts. In the end, I discovered one of the painful truths that many businesses learn about adopting a strategy based on price- once you give away your services cheaply, it is extremely difficult to start charging more.

    So learn from my mistakes, use the list provided in the OP to work out how much you value your time/service- and stick to it. Don't worry if you have to wait a bit longer to secure a client, once they see the results you can deliver, more work will follow.
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    • Profile picture of the author atrbiz
      Originally Posted by MidlandsMarketer View Post

      Great advice atrbiz.

      Going back a couple of years when I got started with making money online, I began offering my writing services on freelancing websites. I was a student at one of the UK's top 10 universities, with high grades in my English GCSE and A levels. However, I was desperate just to secure a writing gig so I ended up with jobs such as '20 500 word articles for $100.'

      Being who I am, I put my all into these articles (so some people got a fantastic bargain!) and spent a long time earning very little for my efforts. In the end, I discovered one of the painful truths that many businesses learn about adopting a strategy based on price- once you give away your services cheaply, it is extremely difficult to start charging more.

      So learn from my mistakes, use the list provided in the OP to work out how much you value your time/service- and stick to it. Don't worry if you have to wait a bit longer to secure a client, once they see the results you can deliver, more work will follow.
      You got it, thanks!

      - Ahmad
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  • Profile picture of the author Victoralexon
    Excellent advice.

    How do you go about finding clients if I may ask?
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    • Profile picture of the author MidlandsMarketer
      Originally Posted by Victoralexon View Post

      Excellent advice.

      How do you go about finding clients if I may ask?
      Try the Warriors for Hire section on this forum, or sites like Elance, Freelancer.com or ODesk.

      I'm sure there's plenty more as well that I haven't mentioned!
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      • Profile picture of the author HeySal
        Originally Posted by MidlandsMarketer View Post

        Try the Warriors for Hire section on this forum, or sites like Elance, Freelancer.com or ODesk.

        I'm sure there's plenty more as well that I haven't mentioned!
        Seriously. You aren't going to make more than peanuts from those sources unless you take a few jobs for slave wage, tell the client it is a reduced trial price, then asking more once they like your work well enough to retain you.

        Know your skill level. If you write $5.00 articles, you are going to be hard pressed to compete with the experts. Make sure you are in field that you have truly hardcore skill levels. I've seen too many people get into fields that they have weak skills just because there are a few bucks to be made online. You are not going to knock down the high pay for anything you do unless you have the skills to compete with a world full of people who do.

        The best way to draw a good fee is to be realistic about your skill area and doing work in fields that you can actually compete with the best.
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        • Profile picture of the author MidlandsMarketer
          Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

          Seriously. You aren't going to make more than peanuts from those sources unless you take a few jobs for slave wage, tell the client it is a reduced trial price, then asking more once they like your work well enough to retain you.
          I disagree. I myself use some of these sites to hire quality writers and pay a suitable premium for the results I get.

          As I mentioned in my earlier post, how much you earn is all about how you position yourself. If you know you're a quality service provider, price yourself as such. Don't just wait for clients to come to you, bang on their doors (figuratively, of course!) and let them know about the awesome results that you can provide.

          Rather than offering a reduced price if you need to secure a deal, offer a reduced order quantity (such as just 1 article) to show what you can do. Trust me, price cutting to grab customers will devalue your service and effect your future earnings.
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          • Profile picture of the author HeySal
            Originally Posted by MidlandsMarketer View Post

            I disagree. I myself use some of these sites to hire quality writers and pay a suitable premium for the results I get.

            As I mentioned in my earlier post, how much you earn is all about how you position yourself. If you know you're a quality service provider, price yourself as such. Don't just wait for clients to come to you, bang on their doors (figuratively, of course!) and let them know about the awesome results that you can provide.

            Rather than offering a reduced price if you need to secure a deal, offer a reduced order quantity (such as just 1 article) to show what you can do. Trust me, price cutting to grab customers will devalue your service and effect your future earnings.
            I never said if you produce quality to cut your price. I agree. I'm just warning that there are a lot of people who have poor judgement of their skills and if they start asking premium prices and have average skills, they aren't going to get premium price. The ability to draw the premium price completely depends on skill level. You need to price for your skill level -- but don't let people drop you from that. If you have only $5 article skill levels, don't let someone manhandle you for $2. If you plan on staying in your field, start stocking on the education and you can build that fee.

            Just trying to qualify things realistically for people.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeWitkowski
      Originally Posted by Victoralexon View Post

      Excellent advice.

      How do you go about finding clients if I may ask?
      Hi,
      the good idea is to use Fiverr.com.
      I go there and make 1 small thing for customers. They buy my service for a low price, but I get access to them, and chance to show them what can I do for them.

      It is very good way to find BUYERS and start relationship with them. I sold only 12 gigs and got already 2 long-term business customers.

      It is great.

      Mike
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      • Profile picture of the author atrbiz
        Originally Posted by The A View Post

        Thanks mate, been looking for such advice.
        No problem, glad you enjoyed it!

        Originally Posted by magiclouie View Post

        Excellent tips!

        I enjoyed reading your write-ups and in fact I found myself nodding my head several times. You nailed it, pal.

        I should have the confidence to increase my rate per hour. Thanks a lot for the heads-up.
        You got it! Don't be afraid to charge a higher rate if your quality of work is on point. I've had numerous clients pay me more for services.

        Originally Posted by jimsyyap View Post

        Great advice! On odesk, I'm not sure if I have terrible writing, or am losing out to low-rate contractors.
        Originally Posted by texas319 View Post

        Back in the day I used to work for $12 and hour and my company billed $88/h... once on my own I charged $85 / h and shockingly they paid without hence. Some clients understand there is baseline for good service and some just want the hook up. Know your worth and you will be good.
        I've been on many IT contracts and I've seen this similar situation.

        Originally Posted by jamespitt View Post

        This is very true - it's the most common mistake in any business not to charge enough. There's also a very odd thing that happens - the guys who won't pay the 'proper' rate for whatever it is you do are harder clients than the guys who pay 5x as much. And the clients who pay 100x as much are easier still. The only difference is to get the very top clients you need a nice suit (maybe) and the right attitude.
        You're exactly right buddy!

        Originally Posted by Eduard Stinga View Post

        I get really angry and would just tell them to $#@! off when they tell me "I could get this done on Fiverr but thought I should contact you". However, I learned to self control, tell them the real prices and amount of work behind my services (I offer stuff worth a few grands per service, but charge less than 50%) and if that doesn't work, I just walk away.

        With some clients, it's better to just refuse the work, instead of having to deal with them (not only with the low payments, but with their attitude as well). Again, I get really pis**d when they think they are making me a favour by hiring me.
        You got it man, you have to have self control/patience. When I got into the business of web design I would get frustrated when clients wanted to pay pennies and I would ignore them,etc. We'll now obviously things are different, I have patience, I explain to them my consulting fee, I show them previous work,etc.

        Originally Posted by MikeWitkowski View Post

        Hi,
        the good idea is to use Fiverr.com.
        I go there and make 1 small thing for customers. They buy my service for a low price, but I get access to them, and chance to show them what can I do for them.

        It is very good way to find BUYERS and start relationship with them. I sold only 12 gigs and got already 2 long-term business customers.

        It is great.

        Mike
        Mike, thanks for sharing your success.

        Bottom line, whether it's Fiverr, WF, or Craigslist - each property has prospective buyers for your service, you just have to be persistent and patience.

        It's all about TESTING.

        Best of luck,
        Ahmad
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        • Look: Most of your problems in getting work and dealing with potential clients come about because you're not dealing from a position of power.

          In a client negotiation, you need to be strong, unemotional and matter-of-fact about the talent and skill you bring to the table. The easiest way to do this is to have money in the bank already -- because you planned your freelance career in advance.

          I wouldn't take less than $200 for a 1000-word article, because my work is worth it. I don't have to take less than $200 for a 1000-word article, because I have other businesses and savings, too.

          Don't be needy.

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          • Profile picture of the author Cataclysm1987
            Originally Posted by fluffythewondercat View Post

            Look: Most of your problems in getting work and dealing with potential clients come about because you're not dealing from a position of power.

            In a client negotiation, you need to be strong, unemotional and matter-of-fact about the talent and skill you bring to the table. The easiest way to do this is to have money in the bank already -- because you planned your freelance career in advance.

            I wouldn't take less than $200 for a 1000-word article, because my work is worth it. I don't have to take less than $200 for a 1000-word article, because I have other businesses and savings, too.

            Don't be needy.

            fLufF
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            True that.

            I worked for a guy with a serious inferiority complex. He closed the deal all the time but the reason was because he was always going down on price even though we knew it was a bad idea. Even he knew it, but he kept doing it just to get more clients who barely paid him.

            Suddenly when business made a turn for the worse, he lost everything practically overnight because most his clients barely made him a profit.
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            • Profile picture of the author atrbiz
              Originally Posted by fluffythewondercat View Post

              Look: Most of your problems in getting work and dealing with potential clients come about because you're not dealing from a position of power.

              In a client negotiation, you need to be strong, unemotional and matter-of-fact about the talent and skill you bring to the table. The easiest way to do this is to have money in the bank already -- because you planned your freelance career in advance.

              I wouldn't take less than $200 for a 1000-word article, because my work is worth it. I don't have to take less than $200 for a 1000-word article, because I have other businesses and savings, too.

              Don't be needy.

              fLufF
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              Right on!

              Originally Posted by Cataclysm1987 View Post

              True that.

              I worked for a guy with a serious inferiority complex. He closed the deal all the time but the reason was because he was always going down on price even though we knew it was a bad idea. Even he knew it, but he kept doing it just to get more clients who barely paid him.

              Suddenly when business made a turn for the worse, he lost everything practically overnight because most his clients barely made him a profit.
              Diverse client base is a must, you can't rely on 1 high paying client that pays all your bills,etc and you also can't have 100 clients paying you pennies.

              - Ahmad
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          • Profile picture of the author Eduard Stinga
            Originally Posted by fluffythewondercat View Post

            Look: Most of your problems in getting work and dealing with potential clients come about because you're not dealing from a position of power.

            In a client negotiation, you need to be strong, unemotional and matter-of-fact about the talent and skill you bring to the table. The easiest way to do this is to have money in the bank already -- because you planned your freelance career in advance.

            I wouldn't take less than $200 for a 1000-word article, because my work is worth it. I don't have to take less than $200 for a 1000-word article, because I have other businesses and savings, too.

            Don't be needy.

            fLufF
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            Well said!

            When I first started and my bank account was, let's say, always empty - I used to accept any job for any payment! Clients would negotiate with me because they could, I was weak and I needed the money and they could somehow feel that and push the price even lower.

            Now that my PayPal and bank accounts have quite some $ in them - not 5 digits, but enough to keep me going for a while I feel more powerful now and when negotiating with a client I can instantly refuse any no-reason price discount suggested by the client.

            I even get clients trying to fool me with "long-term" regular work, "can I get a big discount for that?". I tell them nicely that after we worked on a few projects together, we can discuss that - then they start telling me that I can't see the forest from the trees, that I'm missing on such a big business opportunity by focusing on a few hundred $ for this one project, bla bla - and I'm just "yeah, whatever you say "
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  • Profile picture of the author JE Publishing
    Thanks for the great advice, helped me a far bit.
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  • Profile picture of the author Exel
    Sometimes others value our work more than we value it ourselves.

    Know your worth and don't be afraid to state it with confidence.
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  • Profile picture of the author minion
    I wish more people would start viewing these sites as a pool of talented people, rather than a pool of cheap workers.

    You can find some people there that you'd expect to find working for a team earning $XXX,XXX per year.. People expect cheap - and they get what they pay for, then complain about it.
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    • Profile picture of the author atrbiz
      Originally Posted by Victoralexon View Post

      Excellent advice.

      How do you go about finding clients if I may ask?
      You can find clients from Craigslist, Warrior Forum, offline sales, etc.

      Originally Posted by MidlandsMarketer View Post

      Try the Warriors for Hire section on this forum, or sites like Elance, Freelancer.com or ODesk.

      I'm sure there's plenty more as well that I haven't mentioned!
      Originally Posted by Romeo90 View Post

      Great advice, thanks for the post!
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Seriously. You aren't going to make more than peanuts from those sources unless you take a few jobs for slave wage, tell the client it is a reduced trial price, then asking more once they like your work well enough to retain you.

      Know your skill level. If you write $5.00 articles, you are going to be hard pressed to compete with the experts. Make sure you are in field that you have truly hardcore skill levels. I've seen too many people get into fields that they have weak skills just because there are a few bucks to be made online. You are not going to knock down the high pay for anything you do unless you have the skills to compete with a world full of people who do.

      The best way to draw a good fee is to be realistic about your skill area and doing work in fields that you can actually compete with the best.
      Originally Posted by MidlandsMarketer View Post

      I disagree. I myself use some of these sites to hire quality writers and pay a suitable premium for the results I get.

      As I mentioned in my earlier post, how much you earn is all about how you position yourself. If you know you're a quality service provider, price yourself as such. Don't just wait for clients to come to you, bang on their doors (figuratively, of course!) and let them know about the awesome results that you can provide.

      Rather than offering a reduced price if you need to secure a deal, offer a reduced order quantity (such as just 1 article) to show what you can do. Trust me, price cutting to grab customers will devalue your service and effect your future earnings.
      Originally Posted by JE Publishing View Post

      Thanks for the great advice, helped me a far bit.
      Originally Posted by Exel View Post

      Sometimes others value our work more than we value it ourselves.

      Know your worth and don't be afraid to state it with confidence.
      Originally Posted by minion View Post

      I wish more people would start viewing these sites as a pool of talented people, rather than a pool of cheap workers.

      You can find some people there that you'd expect to find working for a team earning ,XXX per year.. People expect cheap - and they get what they pay for, then complain about it.
      Thanks everyone! Best of luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author ebizman
    Ahmad, thanks for the valuable tips!

    I agree that you need to know your value and stand firm on it, unless you want to do work for peanuts.
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    Great advice here. I'm going to remember this thread when i start my consulting business and are charging clients $10,000 to turn their internet business around.
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  • Profile picture of the author Barron
    More people need to think like this. Some people just charge too darn low for services and bring the overall market price down.
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  • Profile picture of the author IMHunter
    Thank you for the great advice. It is very helpful.
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    • Profile picture of the author atrbiz
      Originally Posted by ebizman View Post

      Ahmad, thanks for the valuable tips!

      I agree that you need to know your value and stand firm on it, unless you want to do work for peanuts.
      Originally Posted by Randall Magwood View Post

      Great advice here. I'm going to remember this thread when i start my consulting business and are charging clients $10,000 to turn their internet business around.
      Originally Posted by Barron View Post

      More people need to think like this. Some people just charge too darn low for services and bring the overall market price down.
      Originally Posted by IMHunter View Post

      Thank you for the great advice. It is very helpful.
      Best of luck to you all!

      Thanks,
      Ahmad
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    Thanks mate, been looking for such advice.
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  • Profile picture of the author magiclouie
    Excellent tips!

    I enjoyed reading your write-ups and in fact I found myself nodding my head several times. You nailed it, pal.

    I should have the confidence to increase my rate per hour. Thanks a lot for the heads-up.
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  • Profile picture of the author jimsyyap
    Great advice! On odesk, I'm not sure if I have terrible writing, or am losing out to low-rate contractors.
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  • Profile picture of the author texas319
    Back in the day I used to work for $12 and hour and my company billed $88/h... once on my own I charged $85 / h and shockingly they paid without hence. Some clients understand there is baseline for good service and some just want the hook up. Know your worth and you will be good.
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  • Profile picture of the author jamespitt
    This is very true - it's the most common mistake in any business not to charge enough. There's also a very odd thing that happens - the guys who won't pay the 'proper' rate for whatever it is you do are harder clients than the guys who pay 5x as much. And the clients who pay 100x as much are easier still. The only difference is to get the very top clients you need a nice suit (maybe) and the right attitude.
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  • Profile picture of the author Eduard Stinga
    I get really angry and would just tell them to $#@! off when they tell me "I could get this done on Fiverr but thought I should contact you". However, I learned to self control, tell them the real prices and amount of work behind my services (I offer stuff worth a few grands per service, but charge less than 50%) and if that doesn't work, I just walk away.

    With some clients, it's better to just refuse the work, instead of having to deal with them (not only with the low payments, but with their attitude as well). Again, I get really pis**d when they think they are making me a favour by hiring me.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nick Barton
    I remember many years ago I was at a seminar for consultants organised by Peter Thomson who is one of the top UK business strategists.

    He presented a study that he had done of the results achieved when members of his association had, on his advice, doubled their prices. Almost every member had substantially increased the amount of work they were winning.

    Seems that low prices have always been a problem...
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    • Profile picture of the author Eduard Stinga
      Originally Posted by Nick Barton View Post

      I remember many years ago I was at a seminar for consultants organised by Peter Thomson who is one of the top UK business strategists.

      He presented a study that he had done of the results achieved when members of his association had, on his advice, doubled their prices. Almost every member had substantially increased the amount of work they were winning.

      Seems that low prices have always been a problem...
      Yeah - it's weird how it works. I just increased my prices recently for my services and expected to see less work. But guess what, on the contrary, I actually started getting more projects for even higher prices than I expected

      After reading your post, I think I should probably get even closer to the actual market value of my services (right now I'm way under 50%) to see what happens
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  • Profile picture of the author ExpertSEOServices
    Great advice. I totally agree about taking the high road. I get approached daily by people who want a discounted or a lower price on my services.
    If they want a lower price I always offer them more for less money for example ordering an extra site and I will give them $10 off. Or combining it with another service I am offering I give a discounted price
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    • Profile picture of the author atrbiz
      Originally Posted by Nick Barton View Post

      I remember many years ago I was at a seminar for consultants organised by Peter Thomson who is one of the top UK business strategists.

      He presented a study that he had done of the results achieved when members of his association had, on his advice, doubled their prices. Almost every member had substantially increased the amount of work they were winning.

      Seems that low prices have always been a problem...
      Originally Posted by Eduard Stinga View Post

      Yeah - it's weird how it works. I just increased my prices recently for my services and expected to see less work. But guess what, on the contrary, I actually started getting more projects for even higher prices than I expected

      After reading your post, I think I should probably get even closer to the actual market value of my services (right now I'm way under 50%) to see what happens
      Originally Posted by ExpertSEOServices View Post

      Great advice. I totally agree about taking the high road. I get approached daily by people who want a discounted or a lower price on my services.
      If they want a lower price I always offer them more for less money for example ordering an extra site and I will give them $10 off. Or combining it with another service I am offering I give a discounted price
      You got it! I've just recently picked up 2 new web design clients from Craigslist, they BOTH wanted dirt cheap prices...however I was able to sell them very close to my standard rate (which is a sweet profit margin )

      Thanks,
      Ahmad
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  • Profile picture of the author Tadresources
    Great post! It amazes me how often people will work for much less than they deserve. I think people need to realize that they have more value than they realize and be willing to walk away from problem clients that want something for nothing.

    The most common excuse I hear from potential clients is that "There are people who will do it for less". I say go hire those people and then you will see how much better my work is.
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    • Profile picture of the author atrbiz
      Originally Posted by Tadresources View Post

      Great post! It amazes me how often people will work for much less than they deserve. I think people need to realize that they have more value than they realize and be willing to walk away from problem clients that want something for nothing.

      The most common excuse I hear from potential clients is that "There are people who will do it for less". I say go hire those people and then you will see how much better my work is.
      Thanks, you got it! I've turned away many prospective clients who thought I could make a custom website for them for pennies. Sorry aint gonna happen!

      I'm 100% upfront and honest with all my clients - I give them high quality work and support. So why not? I get paid what I want

      Thanks,
      Ahmad
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  • Profile picture of the author Andrew Davis
    This is a very useful point that people should pay attention to:

    Originally Posted by atrbiz

    List out the difficulty in tasks
    Usually people outsource to freelance workers because they can’t complete the job themselves or have a lack of experience. Freelancers usually have an area of expertise that attracts them to certain jobs. A client should value your work and if a client is attempting to pay a low rate, it might be necessary to list out each task involved in leading up to completion of the project. Clients sometimes think that certain projects are a lot easier to do than they really are so make sure that the client understands the steps involved and the difficulty of each one.
    Many Clients sincerely don't understand how much work a certain job entails.

    You are much more likely to convince them of a higher price, once you show them the details of how much work is involved.
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  • Profile picture of the author ijohnson
    Nice post! Definitely something we should all remember as product creators, business owners or service providers.

    As we all know ... "You get what you pay for!" Sometimes we have to remind our clients or prospective clients of this fact. If you create a quality product, provide top-notch service, and excellent customer service ... you should be paid accordingly, and accept no less.

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    • Profile picture of the author cashp0wer
      Great advice and a very good post. I worked as a freelance writer for years, and when I first started I wrote way below what I was worth for a long time. It took me a while to realize I didn't have to do that, and then IM came along so goodbye to freelance writing.
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    Do you think I work as VA for 2 Hours for $4 is worth?
    $4 = 12 MYR
    One can of coca-cola cost 1.50 MYR
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    • Profile picture of the author atrbiz
      Originally Posted by Andrew Davis View Post

      This is a very useful point that people should pay attention to:



      Many Clients sincerely don't understand how much work a certain job entails.

      You are much more likely to convince them of a higher price, once you show them the details of how much work is involved.
      Originally Posted by FredJones View Post

      Great advise. It is only having a good image of oneself, backed up by adequate skills, that can transform a person into a performer. We have it inside us, it is a questionn of bringing it out, thinking in the right mode and then actually doing it rightly.
      Originally Posted by ijohnson View Post

      Nice post! Definitely something we should all remember as product creators, business owners or service providers.

      As we all know ... "You get what you pay for!" Sometimes we have to remind our clients or prospective clients of this fact. If you create a quality product, provide top-notch service, and excellent customer service ... you should be paid accordingly, and accept no less.

      ~ Iris
      Originally Posted by cashp0wer View Post

      Great advice and a very good post. I worked as a freelance writer for years, and when I first started I wrote way below what I was worth for a long time. It took me a while to realize I didn't have to do that, and then IM came along so goodbye to freelance writing.
      Originally Posted by Tenzho View Post

      Do you think I work as VA for 2 Hours for $4 is worth?
      $4 = 12 MYR
      One can of coca-cola cost 1.50 MYR
      Thanks everyone! Just tryna make sure my fellow Warriors get paid!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author PhilippaWrites
    Originally Posted by atrbiz View Post

    List out the difficulty in tasks
    Usually people outsource to freelance workers because they can't complete the job themselves or have a lack of experience. Freelancers usually have an area of expertise that attracts them to certain jobs. A client should value your work and if a client is attempting to pay a low rate, it might be necessary to list out each task involved in leading up to completion of the project. Clients sometimes think that certain projects are a lot easier to do than they really are so make sure that the client understands the steps involved and the difficulty of each one.
    Great post. ^^This one^^ in particular is a great idea.
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  • Profile picture of the author PhilippaWrites
    I have, on occasion, said to a potential client, "Feel free to go and get it written on fiverr. I will most likely then hear from you again, to re-do it. But if you want to try fiverr first, please go ahead".

    I'm not sure it's the wisest thing to say but sometimes it feels necessary! (I do very often then hear from them again to get the work done properly).
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  • Profile picture of the author YasirYar
    Great advice!

    I guess the reason a lot of people have to ask for payments less than what they are worth is because there are no such geographical boundaries on the internet - people from cheaper-to-live-in countries are obviously going to charge a whole lot less. I guess an advantage people in the U.S. and some other expensive countries is that our English is good, so we're often easier to work with.

    But I agree completely - one should not cut themselves short because others are doing jobs for seemingly unrealistically low prices. If you are doing quality work, people will look for your services regardless.

    This is particularly true with writers. I have heard so many of them say they charge $1 per 500 words, which seems ridiculous to me. If your English is good, you are worth much more than that, and you should charge a reflective price.
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    • Profile picture of the author atrbiz
      Originally Posted by PhilippaWrites View Post

      Great post. ^^This one^^ in particular is a great idea.
      Originally Posted by PhilippaWrites View Post

      I have, on occasion, said to a potential client, "Feel free to go and get it written on fiverr. I will most likely then hear from you again, to re-do it. But if you want to try fiverr first, please go ahead".

      I'm not sure it's the wisest thing to say but sometimes it feels necessary! (I do very often then hear from them again to get the work done properly).
      Originally Posted by YasirYar View Post

      Great advice!

      I guess the reason a lot of people have to ask for payments less than what they are worth is because there are no such geographical boundaries on the internet - people from cheaper-to-live-in countries are obviously going to charge a whole lot less. I guess an advantage people in the U.S. and some other expensive countries is that our English is good, so we're often easier to work with.

      But I agree completely - one should not cut themselves short because others are doing jobs for seemingly unrealistically low prices. If you are doing quality work, people will look for your services regardless.

      This is particularly true with writers. I have heard so many of them say they charge $1 per 500 words, which seems ridiculous to me. If your English is good, you are worth much more than that, and you should charge a reflective price.
      Yup, you got it. Thanks!

      - Ahmad
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