Has JV's ruined the WSO thread?

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As someone who cant help but look daily at the wso forum Ive noticed a huge pattern emerging.

There is a very familiar JV circle of alot of successful warriors who all jump on each others threads with raving reviews!

YES, before anyone states the obvious, I know this is the way the big guns make their money, but its becomming too blatant and very hard to distinguish an honest review from one that is written by a JV! For me this is making it harder for buyers to beleive reviews and therefore removes a bit of the ethical side of things.

I personally think JV's should work together outside of the forum as the WF is becomming a place for the big guys to blatantly take advantage of all the not so clued up newbies, which is a part of this industry I hate!

As warriors should we not be looking out for each other or is everything really just about money and screw everything else?

your thoughts?
#ruined #thread #wso
  • Profile picture of the author alistair
    I have to agree. I was actually watching one wso and a fairly well known marketer on here who seems to release wso's every other week asked the wso owner to pm him regarding the wso.

    A few minutes later he left a very short but glowing review. It seemed quite obvious that some kind of deal had just been struck between the two.

    I have bought a fair few wsos but I realised I should focus on what I'm doing and stop buying them as to be honest most don't get put into use by me anyway.
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  • Profile picture of the author JE Publishing
    There are probably some people that do that but in the WSO terms and conditions it says you should state whether you bought the product or got given a review copy. I tend to go off the people that have actually purchased the product because everyone is going to say something nice if they got it free. Just my 2cents
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  • Profile picture of the author Takuya Hikichi
    If you see reviews like that, the best thing
    to do is not to base your decision on reviews
    from their friends.

    All good WSOs will have unsolicited reviews.

    Just read these and ignore those you think
    were simply added by their friends.
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  • Profile picture of the author ErikNilsson
    I will just check the content in the sales page and then only will buy a WSO as the OP said above some of the reviews are fake.
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  • Profile picture of the author James.N
    Yep, Ralf some GREAT advice. There's a reason they offer a guarantee, if it doesn't live up to your expectations get a refund.

    What I've started doing is waiting for a good amount of reviews to come in since I usually assume that the first couple are some of the buddies that are leaving reviews for the OP.

    Of course if you are trying to get in as early as possible for the dimesale this strategy won't work.
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    • Profile picture of the author s1ngular1ty
      Warrior Forum REALLY needs to do something about this. I worked so hard on my WSO and I was really pleased with the genuine positive reviews I got.

      I must be very naive but I had no idea this was going on. It needs to stop now, otherwise the reputation of this place will go downhill rapidly.

      Honestly, reading about this has really made me question whether I even want to list future products on here as a WSO.
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    • Profile picture of the author KimW
      Originally Posted by louie6925 View Post

      As someone who cant help but look daily at the wso forum Ive noticed a huge pattern emerging.

      There is a very familiar JV circle of alot of successful warriors who all jump on each others threads with raving reviews!

      YES, before anyone states the obvious, I know this is the way the big guns make their money, but its becomming too blatant and very hard to distinguish an honest review from one that is written by a JV! For me this is making it harder for buyers to beleive reviews and therefore removes a bit of the ethical side of things.

      I personally think JV's should work together outside of the forum as the WF is becomming a place for the big guys to blatantly take advantage of all the not so clued up newbies, which is a part of this industry I hate!

      As warriors should we not be looking out for each other or is everything really just about money and screw everything else?

      your thoughts?
      I want products that everyone else is NOT selling or using.I watch my email inbox. I get 20 emails all touting the product as the next big thing. I'm probably not interested.There can be an exception once in a while,but not often.

      Originally Posted by alistair View Post

      I have to agree. I was actually watching one wso and a fairly well known marketer on here who seems to release wso's every other week asked the wso owner to pm him regarding the wso.

      A few minutes later he left a very short but glowing review. It seemed quite obvious that some kind of deal had just been struck between the two.

      I have bought a fair few wsos but I realised I should focus on what I'm doing and stop buying them as to be honest most don't get put into use by me anyway.
      I'm not sure who you mean here,but if you mean the forum owner, I would have trouble believing it.

      Originally Posted by Romeo90 View Post

      EXACTLY this.
      I agree too, Ralf has the right idea.

      Originally Posted by quadxnet View Post

      Yep, Ralf some GREAT advice. There's a reason they offer a guarantee, if it doesn't live up to your expectations get a refund.

      What I've started doing is waiting for a good amount of reviews to come in since I usually assume that the first couple are some of the buddies that are leaving reviews for the OP.

      Of course if you are trying to get in as early as possible for the dimesale this strategy won't work.

      Again, I agree too, Ralf has the right idea.
      As far as the dimesale comment,I personally hate them and think that is one thing that should be done away with.
      When the WSO section was started there was to be basically two prices,the Real World price,which is what the product would be sold at on a public website available to anyone and the WSO price,which was suppose to be a discounted price available only to Warrior Forum members. While dimesales are great for the deller because people want to get the lowest price they can,it isn't fair to all Warriors. I as the 100th purchaser should get it at the same price as the first, but that is just my opinion.
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  • Profile picture of the author Marsala
    As far as I'm concerned, the WSO's reputation is already down.
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  • Profile picture of the author WillR
    There definitely is a 'boys club' type setup happening in the WSO forum at the moment... we all know who they are. There is one of them launching a new product each week and they all mastermind together behind the scenes. They take it in turns to launch and promote each others offers.

    You are correct in saying a lot of them are the first to comment on each others WSO threads and offer no real value to the thread. Comments like this are quite common:

    "Man, John knows what he is talking about. You guys would be stupid to pass up on this."

    "John, I just had a look at this and you have hit another home run again. I would have happily paid $497 for this. You are crazzzy man."

    "I know John and this guy is THE man to go to for information on X. Get this right now."

    "John, great product again. I've just sent out an email to my list. They need to know about this right now."

    "This offer is Mr X approved. Awesome stuff man."

    These guys are very easy to pick and you should just ignore them and their offers. The sooner you do the sooner they will go away.
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    • Profile picture of the author s1ngular1ty
      Is there something we can all do to put a stop to this? Hopefully this thread will make the admins take action.

      It all seems incredibly unfair on those of us who actually work hard to make a WSO good enough to attract genuine good reviews. Afterall, surely the main draw of buying from the WSO forum is that you can see what other experienced marketers think about the product before you buy it.

      If the credibility of these views is called into question, the credibilty of Warrior Forum as a whole is called into question. Indeed, it seems to me that it could be accused of providing a platform for scammers.

      Surely it is in the self-interest of Warrior Forum to act on this.
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    • Profile picture of the author KimW
      Originally Posted by WillR View Post

      There definitely is a 'boys club' type setup happening in the WSO forum at the moment... we all know who they are. There is one of them launching a new product each week and they all mastermind together behind the scenes. They take it in turns to launch and promote each others offers.

      You are correct in saying a lot of them are the first to comment on each others WSO threads and offer no real value to the thread. Comments like this are quite common:

      "Man, John knows what he is talking about. You guys would be stupid to pass up on this."

      "John, I just had a look at this and you have hit another home run again. I would have happily paid $497 for this. You are crazzzy man."

      "I know John and this guy is THE man to go to for information on X. Get this right now."

      "John, great product again. I've just sent out an email to my list. They need to know about this right now."

      "This offer is Mr X approved. Awesome stuff man."

      These guys are very easy to pick and you should just ignore them and their offers. The sooner you do the sooner they will go away.
      Will, There is truth in that but not all the post's praising someone is part of that. I don't do it very often but I did last night,and every word I said is true.
      He didn't ask me to or even tell me about his WSO,I just happened to see it as I was going through the forum.
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      • Profile picture of the author WillR
        Originally Posted by KimW View Post

        Will, There is truth in that but not all the post's praising someone is part of that. I don't do it very often but I did last night,and every word I said is true.
        He didn't ask me to or even tell me about his WSO,I just happened to see it as I was going through the forum.
        Kim,

        Yes but the WSO thread is for two things and two things only. Pre-sale questions or post-sale reviews. It's not a place for people to give generalized comments on someone's character. Heck, even nice people put out crap products. As a buyer I don't care how nice the guy is or how many friends he has on the forum. All I want to know is the honest opinion of other people who have actually paid money for that product.

        These generalized character references should not be allowed in my opinion. They offer no value to the thread and it's always the same old guys posting them on one others threads. The reason they need to post these types of generalized comments is because they have nothing specific to say about the product because they have not been through the product in question... and for that reason they should not be commenting in the thread at all.
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        • Profile picture of the author KimW
          Originally Posted by WillR View Post

          Kim,

          Yes but the WSO thread is for two things and two things only. Pre-sale questions or post-sale reviews. It's not a place for people to give generalized comments on someone's character. Heck, even nice people put out crap products. As a buyer I don't care how nice the guy is or how many friends he has on the forum. All I want to know is the honest opinion of other people who have actually paid money for that product.

          These generalized character references should not be allowed in my opinion. They offer no value to the thread and it's always the same old guys posting them on one others threads. The reason they need to post these types of generalized comments is because they have nothing specific to say about the product because they have not been through the product... and for that reason they should not be commenting in the thread.
          Will,
          I certainly understand what you are saying and honestly, I think you are mostly right. Maybe I should clarify my reason. in my opinion there are way too many people doing WSOs that are not up to what they advertise (I'm trying to be diplomatic here).
          If I know someone that I can vouch for,I have no problem doing it. And it isn't to boost the ego of the person I am commenting on but to try to be an indicator that you are not going to be ripped off in this transanaction. Does that make sense to you?
          At the same time I do understand what you mean. I see a WSO that has just been posted and the first 5 spots have been "reserved for a review or video review coming soon" all by 5 different people. That's when I know its the good old boy network doing their thing.

          After running my mouth here though, I really do mostly agree with you.
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          • Profile picture of the author WillR
            Originally Posted by KimW View Post

            Will,
            I certainly understand what you are saying and honestly, I think you are mostly right. Maybe I should clarify my reason. in my opinion there are way too many people doing WSOs that are not up to what they advertise (I'm trying to be diplomatic here).
            If I know someone that I can vouch for,I have no problem doing it. And it isn't to boost the ego of the person I am commenting on but to try to be an indicator that you are not going to be ripped off in this transanaction. Does that make sense to you?
            At the same time I do understand what you mean. I see a WSO that has just been posted and the first 5 spots have been "reserved for a review or video review coming soon" all by 5 different people. That's when I know its the good old boy network doing their thing.

            After running my mouth here though, I really do mostly agree with you.
            Kim,

            I really have no doubt about your intentions... but that's not to say I don't doubt those of others. It's just like the use of signatures in the WSO forum. Most people were not abusing them but there were a few people who kept on abusing the use of their signature in the WSO forum. For that reason signatures were banned across the board. I feel the same way about this. There are a few people who would have the same good intentions as you but I would much prefer to get rid of the other guys who are using/abusing this technique just to help promote one another.

            P.S. That was good news I read about your operation. I hope all is going well.
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          • Profile picture of the author Gail_Curran
            Originally Posted by KimW View Post

            At the same time I do understand what you mean. I see a WSO that has just been posted and the first 5 spots have been "reserved for a review or video review coming soon" all by 5 different people.
            Wait, what? There was a crackdown on that type of thing a while back, because it was being abused with aff links, competing signatures (when sigs were still allowed in WSO forum), etc.

            I don't think anyone other than the WSO owner is allowed to "reserve" space in a thread - too much potential for abuse. Report it and let the mods decide.
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            • Profile picture of the author KimW
              Originally Posted by Gail_Curran View Post

              Wait, what? There was a crackdown on that type of thing a while back, because it was being abused with aff links, competing signatures (when sigs were still allowed in WSO forum), etc.

              I don't think anyone other than the WSO owner is allowed to "reserve" space in a thread - too much potential for abuse. Report it and let the mods decide.
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              Gail,
              I was talking in general, if Allen and the Mods have cracked down on it all I can say is good!
              Again,it looks like I wasn't clear enough (trust me, I am definitely not a copywriter)!
              I should have said In the past I will have seen a WSO just been posted...blah blah blah.... The way I wrote it does make it look like I meant recently. I didn't.

              I actually don't venture into the WSO forum that often anymore.
              Sorry for the confusion.

              (Actually I don't venture up here very often any more either. I'm usually found in the Off Topic Forum).
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    Thanks Will. There have been minor setbacks here and there but for the most part things are going good.
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  • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
    The WSO forum is like any other popular marketplace. Nothing more, nothing less. Take a look at the home shopping club or any popular infomercial on TV. People giving endorsements usually have a vested interest in doing so. All marketing and promotion is like that to some degree.

    It's up to you and me as consumers to realize the nature of marketing and promotion and to take it all with a grain of salt. In the last year or so there are dozens of threads like this popping up every month talking about how unfair all of this is. Phooey.

    It's simply part of the marketing game. And it is a game. For some it might be a game they feel they can influence with tricks. So what. It's up to you and me to determine what's what, not only in marketing, but in life.

    Regardless of what we do there will always be someone out there willing to give you the short end of the stick. But you don't have to take it and you certainly don't need to continue to carry on about it. It's simple. Don't participate if you don't like it. And if you do feel you got a raw deal simply excercise your right to get a refund and get on with life. End of story.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nochek
    I don't use reviews. I have been on here for awhile now and have done quite a bit of work for people on the Warrior Forum, but I don't follow the trend in marketing myself on here or in my offers as others do. For one, I run the Nochek Network, so I don't actually have to do anything unless I want to. But also because reviews are worthless.

    If you look through the internet, you'll find reviews and comments on all types of products. Many of them have an all-too-familiar backlink attached to the username or article. Many got discounts, or free products to enter their reviews. Many have products or interest tied into what they are reviewing. Many are just plain fake.

    Sure, there are honest reviews at places. But for every honest one, another 30 are spam, 20 are faked, 15 are bought, and 10 aren't even for the right product. I'm about to start my first WSO, FBKit, and I plan on doing it without slumming the price down for reviews or even buying off members or starting fake accounts, because I believe my product will stand perfectly fine on it's own.

    That and the reputation I have built with several of the members on here means they know I offer software that will help them get things done. Reviews are cheap, Reputation is what matters.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
      Originally Posted by Ralf Skirr View Post

      All glowing reviews are either JV partners of simply fans of the person doing the WSO.
      Sorry, Ralf, but you are completely wrong. Are some of the reviews like this? Certainly. But not all, not by a long shot. It's up to you to learn how to discern who to listen to.


      Originally Posted by s1ngular1ty View Post

      Warrior Forum REALLY needs to do something about this. I worked so hard on my WSO and I was really pleased with the genuine positive reviews I got.
      No, they REALLY don't. How the heck could they possibly know who bought or even looked at the product? That is a totally unrealistic expectation for a $40 ad. We're all supposed to be business people here. Is it really too much to expect each one of us to take responsibility for our own buying habits?

      Originally Posted by WillR View Post

      Kim,

      Yes but the WSO thread is for two things and two things only. Pre-sale questions or post-sale reviews. It's not a place for people to give generalized comments on someone's character.
      I do agree with this. I also think that people should not be allowed to post reviews from prior WSOs, unless they make it very clear that the reviews are not about this product. I saw one WSO the other day where there were a bunch of reviews but it did not state that they were NOT from the product being sold in the ad.


      Originally Posted by travlinguy View Post

      It's up to you and me as consumers to realize the nature of marketing and promotion and to take it all with a grain of salt. In the last year or so there are dozens of threads like this popping up every month talking about how unfair all of this is. Phooey.
      Ding, ding, ding! Give the man a prize! Common sense and personal resposibility for the win.

      Originally Posted by bowerboy View Post

      This is senior members praying on the junior members which is the way money is made on this forum.
      Being a 'junior' member of this forum doesn't mean anything. Are some slick marketers being deceptive at times? Of course they are. But it still your responsibility to be intelligent about your own purchase decisions.

      I don't care if you are brand new to internet marketing. Too good to be true wasn't invented for the internet and if you are going to fall for snake oil and pie-in-the-sky unrealistic copy, that's on you.

      We're all supposed to be big boys and girls here. If you need someone to hold your hand and watch over your purchases, then perhaps you aren't ready for business.

      DISCLAIMER: When I say YOU, I am not meaning any particular person specifically. I have to say this before I get jumped all over about it. Probably will anyway since most people don't seem to read entire posts anymore.
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      • Profile picture of the author Severin
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        I've been closely watching this exact situation unfold for a couple of months now, every couple of days I spend 1/2 hr or so correlating the comments on some wso's for my own pleasure and interest. I'm not saying by any means that my approach is anything near scientific, but its fairly obvious that there is a 'network' going on. There are a few established and also some new warriors 'gaming' the system in different ways. Some clever and some not so clever. lol

        My advice in the WSO section is to Tread With Extreme Caution and take everything said in there with a pinch of salt. Base your buy on the sales copy and be prepared to use the refund option.

        Buyers in a dimesale should carefully weigh up the risk/reward, I for one would never buy straight away in order to save a couple of bucks with only hyped up and possibly fabricated comments to go on, designed only to create a frenzy!
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  • Profile picture of the author adamfdotnet
    What about really stressing more "full disclosure" when WSOs are posted?

    What if there was a new policy created in the WSO forum where joint ventures must be disclosed, and who the partners are? Maybe it seems a bit intrusive, but as a community, isn't it up to the community to help make the rules?

    I mean, not only asking people doing reviews to disclose, but actually force the WSO seller to disclose their partners in a launch so everyone knows if someone is trying to hype things up?

    Too crazy an idea?

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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    Originally Posted by louie6925 View Post

    As warriors should we not be looking out for each other or is everything really just about money and screw everything else?
    We should be looking out for each other, and it's not just about money.

    Everyone agrees on that score.

    When people are looking.

    But behind closed doors...

    Where it's just them and their computer screens...

    And they aren't being watched by potential customers...

    The overwhelming majority of them will chuck you off a damn bridge for a nickel.

    Of course, you get them out in public, and every single one of them claims to be in the tiny little minority of people who would never do that. Why, those people are evil. The *******s. There ought to be a law. Now join my list and buy my crap and I'll show you the real truth and never ever ever lie to you or mislead you or sell out to the almighty dollar... hey, by the way, have you ever seen the view from this bridge?

    Let's go for a walk.

    And all of this vitriol and anger and hatred of those people is precisely the kind of thing they will themselves fake to avoid being unmasked as bridge-chuckers.

    Which means you can never really be sure whether someone is one of them or not.

    Not even me. No matter what I say or how strongly I protest or what evidence I pull out of my butt to "prove" my sincerity, that is exactly what I would do if I was one of them. So maybe I am.

    And even when I say that - when I say "maybe I am" - that could be a ruse. A double-blind. The "damaging admission" designed for no other purpose than to make you trust me, and believe me, and take that walk down to the bridge.

    You can never be sure. Ever. Of anyone.

    Stay alert. Trust no one. Keep your laser handy.
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    • Profile picture of the author DaveLloyd
      Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

      And all of this vitriol and anger and hatred of those people is precisely the kind of thing they will themselves fake to avoid being unmasked as bridge-chuckers.

      Which means you can never really be sure whether someone is one of them or not.
      Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

      . . . . . . they are using professional copywriting techniques, including NLP and covert persuasion and hypnotic methods and various other forms of mind control.
      Damn!

      As if life wasn't already tough enough — Now I have to be on the lookout for ninja, mind-controlling, bridge-chuckers!!

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  • Profile picture of the author GarrieWilson
    IMHO, allowing affiliates to promote WSOs was the first step in "killing" it. Its no longer special offers, its a normal market place. Sure you can make money and get some good deals but the noise to value ration is overwhelming now.

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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Is there something we can all do to put a stop to this? Hopefully this thread will make the admins take action.
      Yeah. Don't believe reviews unless you trust the person giving them.

      As Tina said, there's no way for us to know who really likes a product, or has even seen it, and who's pimping it for a return "favor" later. I rarely review products, and have never promoted a WSO as an affiliate. Still, I'm pretty sure people think any positive comment I make is based in some expected return. If you don't know me, you should wonder about that. Same with anyone else.

      As far as promoting for their friends, there's nothing wrong with that, if their friends deliver what they promise.

      Think about it. Given a choice between two equally valuable and useful products, one from a friend and another belonging to a stranger, which would YOU promote?

      We will nuke fake accounts set up to post testimonials if we spot them. Happens a few times a month, that I see. If you suspect it's happening, report it. Just keep in mind that a lot of testimonials from people with zero, or very few, posts are from legitimate customers who only joined to comment on something they bought. With so many affiliates promoting WSOs outside the regular membership, that's becoming more and more common.


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  • Profile picture of the author Tadresources
    I don't trust online reviews from almost anywhere nowadays, WSOs included. Too many ways to game the system and way too many dishonest reviews. I will obviously read reviews and take them into consideration but I take everything with a grain of salt.
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    • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
      Originally Posted by Tadresources View Post

      I don't trust online reviews from almost anywhere nowadays
      I only trust people.

      If I see a review for a product from someone I know and trust, then I care what it says.

      Obviously, this only works in sufficiently small communities where you're sufficiently well-connected. If you're shopping for weight loss or muscle building products, there's not a chance in hell you'll be seeing reviews from people you know.

      But in WSOs, the reviews are almost entirely from Warriors who post elsewhere on the forum as well, and if you've been here for a while you will probably recognise a lot of them.

      Conversely, there are certain people I already know are outright liars, and when they leave a review on a product it has nothing at all to do with the product quality - it's about what they think will get their list to buy, because they just saw a big EPC number and decided to mail for this thing.
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  • Profile picture of the author jacksonlin
    Wow, has it come down to this? We need to blame other people for our own buying decisions if it turns out to be bad?

    No one is pointing a gun to your head to buy the product. Use some discretion.

    Take some responsibility, please!
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    • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
      Originally Posted by jacksonlin View Post

      No one is pointing a gun to your head to buy the product.
      However, they are using professional copywriting techniques, including NLP and covert persuasion and hypnotic methods and various other forms of mind control.

      I was not in my right mind! The evil magic of the voudoun copywriter had bewitched me! Je suis mort alors! Je suis sur la lune, avec Steve!

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  • Profile picture of the author Premier Plugins
    I commend those who do purchases through the WSO forum. I just don't have the time or desire to wade through all the hyped up sales pages, questionable testimonials and reviews, and all the other stuff that goes on in there to try and find the increasingly rare products that are worth having. So I don't purchase from there, ever.
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  • Profile picture of the author Robbie B
    I wouldn't say it's the Warrior Forum JV's causing the problem. The Internet in general is the same.

    We're all marketers, in one way or the other on here. Whether learning the ropes or seasoned. We're involved.

    Think of any product release and when it's live Google the product name. You can almost guarantee that the front page will be review upon review. All of which are have an affiliate relationship with the vendor. So they're all biased towards the product being great.

    Personally, my gut instinct tells me whether something is worth the risk. If I hint something dodgy in the background, I'll put my wallet away. Besides that, I always check the profiles of users here on WF, friend circles etc.

    Anything above the $7 price tag, and I've seen me spending days (not all the time), researching the person behind a product.

    Then I'll make a decision on whether to buy the advice or not.
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    • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
      Originally Posted by Robbie B View Post

      You can almost guarantee that the front page will be review upon review. All of which are about the product being great. So they're all biased towards having an affiliate relationship with the vendor.
      It is worth noting that the above reversed interpretation is every bit as likely.

      You get a product, whether free or discounted or at full price. You think it is great. It has an affiliate program. Why would you not sign up and promote it?

      Yes, it is possible that I saw this product and had visions of fat commission cheques, so I joined the affiliate program for it and then ran over to leave a review for my list members to see when they get there - maybe even without buying and examining the product.

      But you are assuming that every affiliate lies and cheats to make sales.

      And this is not true. Some affiliates are honest. Some affiliates would join an affiliate program with visions of fat commission cheques, but buy the product at full price - without even using their own affiliate link - and examine it in detail before leaving an accurate review.

      And even with those visions of fat cheques, many of these affiliates will then... if the review is not sufficiently favourable... refuse to promote the product.

      Not always. When I do affiliate blogs and write a crappy review of some product you could buy on Amazon if you were a dumbass and didn't understand what a piece of crap I just told you it was, I still put my Amazon affiliate link on the review. Because I do, on occasion, get a dumbass or two reading my blogs - and it's not my job to prevent them from buying.

      Which is actually helpful when people say "you only gave that great review because you promote the product as an affiliate," because I can point them at a truly horrible review of something only a retarded crackhead would buy and say "I promote that product as an affiliate, too. Being an affiliate does not change what I put in my reviews."
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    I buy from people who have a product that I need or am interested in and they normally have a fairly good reputation in the forum. Does that mean that they don't have some "reviews" from friends? No.

    I don't read the reviews until Page 2 or 3 when the real reviews start popping up. To do otherwise is like ... reading fiction.
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  • Profile picture of the author TiffanyLambert
    I don't like it when the back scratch JVers do that - and another thing I don't like it when a product owner tells everyone specifically to go leave feedback on their WSO. Too many butt kissers who do it to be part of the cool kids club.

    I always tell people not to even bother reading the reviews in a thread. Buy based on the reputation of the person (if you don't know, dig) and buy based on whether you really need that product and will apply it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Robbie B
      Originally Posted by TiffanyDow View Post

      I always tell people not to even bother reading the reviews in a thread. Buy based on the reputation of the person (if you don't know, dig) and buy based on whether you really need that product and will apply it.
      Yep, You drummed that into me. Probably saved me a fortune because of that.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ron Douglas
    Yes, and there definitely were no biased reviews before people had the ability to get JV partners to promote their WSOs. All reviews could be trusted back then. Those were the days.





    /sarcasm
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    • Profile picture of the author Raydal
      Originally Posted by Ron Douglas View Post

      Yes, and there definitely were no biased reviews before people had the ability to get JV partners to promote their WSOs. All reviews could be trusted back then. Those were the days.
      Now I'm getting nostalgic.

      WSO's posting was free. Only quality products were sold and comments
      came from real buyers who really used and loved the products.

      Gone are those days.

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  • Profile picture of the author specialized
    As a not-yet-War-Room-member, I hate to tell you War Room members this, but what it looks very much like from outside the closed doors is that numerous War Room members have a pact with each other to positively review each other's products. 99% of the glowing, gushing reviews for WSOs are posted by War Room members. Whenever I see one, and notice that it seems a little too effusive, I quickly look to the left and... yep, sure enough, "War Room Member" in red. This naturally leads anyone with normal powers of observation to the impression and conclusion I'm describing.

    Now, will this stop me from becoming a War Room member myself when the time comes? No, it won't. I'm just telling you how it looks to us "nons."
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    • Profile picture of the author WebPen
      Originally Posted by specialized View Post

      As a not-yet-War-Room-member, I hate to tell you War Room members this, but what it looks very much like from outside the closed doors is that numerous War Room members have a pact with each other to positively review each other's products. 99% of the glowing, gushing reviews for WSOs are posted by War Room members. Whenever I see one, and notice that it seems a little too effusive, I quickly look to the left and... yep, sure enough, "War Room Member" in red. This naturally leads anyone with normal powers of observation to the impression and conclusion I'm describing.

      Now, will this stop me from becoming a War Room member myself when the time comes? No, it won't. I'm just telling you how it looks to us "nons."
      To be honest- the War Room has absolutely nothing to do with this.

      Instead, this is more of a buddy-buddy, I scratch your back you scratch mine kinda thing.

      Being a part of the War Room is basically just being part of the WF 2.0. It doesn't make us know each other better or talk more.

      It's basically just a place where I get all kinds of free PLR, software, graphics, templates, and WSOs
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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by specialized View Post

      As a not-yet-War-Room-member, I hate to tell you War Room members this, but what it looks very much like from outside the closed doors is that numerous War Room members have a pact with each other to positively review each other's products. 99% of the glowing, gushing reviews for WSOs are posted by War Room members. Whenever I see one, and notice that it seems a little too effusive, I quickly look to the left and... yep, sure enough, "War Room Member" in red. This naturally leads anyone with normal powers of observation to the impression and conclusion I'm describing.

      Now, will this stop me from becoming a War Room member myself when the time comes? No, it won't. I'm just telling you how it looks to us "nons."


      I have been a War Room member for 4-5 years.

      I have been in there maybe 3-4 times. I look around the room for 20 minutes and I leave.

      The War Room is great for those who have years to spend reading. I am more of a do'er myself.

      But, I can also advise that the best feature of the War Room is that it is archived forever. To get the best stuff, you need to drill back into the archives a few years.

      You need to drill back to the early days when the War Room was where the good stuff was shared behind closed doors. These days, it is more of a pitch fest from wanna-be marketers to the world.

      That is my take anyway.

      My point in even saying this is that the War Room Member notation means nothing at all, beyond this person spent $37 to gain access.
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      Originally Posted by specialized View Post

      As a not-yet-War-Room-member, I hate to tell you War Room members this, but what it looks very much like from outside the closed doors is that numerous War Room members have a pact with each other to positively review each other's products. 99% of the glowing, gushing reviews for WSOs are posted by War Room members. Whenever I see one, and notice that it seems a little too effusive, I quickly look to the left and... yep, sure enough, "War Room Member" in red. This naturally leads anyone with normal powers of observation to the impression and conclusion I'm describing.

      Now, will this stop me from becoming a War Room member myself when the time comes? No, it won't. I'm just telling you how it looks to us "nons."
      Or that's how it looks to you.

      To me what you wrote looks like extreme delusional paranoia, but I guess that's just what you sound like to me.

      Incidentally, this 99% percent figure. Were you ever in the WSO section before they banned signatures in there? I reckon that percentage would have been so far off then it wouldn't even be funny.

      I think you have a theory and you look for evidence to support what you think is correct, it's human nature.
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      • Profile picture of the author tpw
        Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

        Incidentally, this 99% percent figure. Were you ever in the WSO section before they banned signatures in there? I reckon that percentage would have been so far off then it wouldn't even be funny.

        I think you have a theory and you look for evidence to support what you think is correct, it's human nature.

        Haha, yes....

        Before they banned sigs in the WSO-section, there were two people who left a review on all of my products, yet they had never bought a product I made.

        Of course, there goal was never to help me sell products, but to siphon my traffic to their offers!!

        Since signatures were removed from that section, those folks have never since posted on one of my WSO threads... Go figure...
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  • Profile picture of the author specialized
    To be honest- the War Room has absolutely nothing to do with this.
    But... you would, of course, have to say this... you're one of them. You've taken the blood oath and have been sworn to Omerta.

    Heh. Just kidding, man.
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  • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
    The only way around it is for WF to implement a rating system for WSO sellers and each individual WSO.
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  • Profile picture of the author veheme
    I believe the seller is more important than the reviews. I simply hate it when I see poor services or quick-money methods getting more than 5 good reviews on its launch. Too fishy.
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  • Profile picture of the author xxxJamesxxx
    Personally I think the WSO section is going down the nicker... A bit like Clickbank was in 2010/12, and we all saw what happened there didn't we.

    James Scholes
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    • "Eternal vigilance is the price of freedom."

      In other words, you can't regulate everything into perfection.

      Pay attention to what you're doing, and who you're associating with. Trust no one without good reason. Trust no testimonial without a VERY good reason.
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  • Profile picture of the author GMT
    I'd imagine that kind of stuff is hard to crack down on, and seeing as users don't have much else to go besides other users comments, I can see this being quite effective, but unfair none the less. Hopefully things are cleaned up if this is a common issue.
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  • I have also noticed this. As soon as the WSO is launched it is filled with reviews straight away within the first hour. It doesn't give us other marketers much of a chance. It also seems like some people are launching hundreds of services and new WSOs every week.
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