200% Refund No question asked, When bought...all kinds of terms and condition.

by Tenzho
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What do you think about products who offer 200% refund no question asked (didn't state refund policy in sales letter), after you bought the product, 200% refund terms and conditions showed up in that product?
#200% #asked #boughtall #condition #kinds #question #refund #terms
  • Profile picture of the author Cataclysm1987
    Sounds like kind of a bad idea. What is so wrong with just a 30 or 60 day guarantee?
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  • Profile picture of the author TheArticlePros
    My first thought on someone who was offering double my money back is that they are crazy! Either crazy-confident in their product, or just plain crazy and they've never done business before.

    My first action would be to Google the product and see what other people thought about it. I would NOT buy it until I'd read at least 20 negative reviews and 20 positive reviews.

    As far as presenting the terms of exchange, replacement, and refund at the end of the sale, that's not uncommon. Have you ever walked into a Best Buy? They have gigantic signs stating their policy, but they're placed at the cash registers and you don't really notice them until you're paying or have already paid.

    I would've been VERY careful and, all things considered, probably not have bought the product. 200% refund policies will not keep a company in business for long...if I were more devious, I'd buy it and immediately refund it just to make double my money back. That's a great investment for me.

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    • Profile picture of the author JeremiahSay
      Originally Posted by JaRyCu View Post

      My first thought on someone who was offering double my money back is that they are crazy! Either crazy-confident in their product, or just plain crazy and they've never done business before.
      Hi JaRyCu,

      That crazy person you're referring to is me

      Originally Posted by JaRyCu View Post

      If I were more devious, I'd buy it and immediately refund it just to make double my money back. That's a great investment for me.

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      Really? :confused: Thanks for your answer, it's a good thing I have a terms and condition in place
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      • Profile picture of the author TheArticlePros
        That crazy person you're referring to is me
        It's always good to know who the crazy people are.

        Really? :confused: Thanks for your answer, it's a good thing I have a terms and condition in place
        I made that statement very tongue-in-cheek. I am not the type of person who would actually do that. I worked in retail for 15 years and owned a retail store for the last 5+ years of it, and I saw nearly every form of con and manipulation that a customer could provide.

        I remember being 18 and having an old, old lady come into the drug store I was working in at the time. She was pitching a fit to get a refund on a package of Polaroid film she had purchased and she had no receipt. I calmly explained that I couldn't help her without the receipt as that was the store policy. She pulled the film out and demanded her refund again.

        At that point, I looked at it and noticed it had a huge Wal-Mart sticker on it. I was working for CVS Pharmacy. I calmly explained to her that I could not refund a purchase she made at another company, pointed at the Wal-Mart sticker, and then watched her quietly leave the store to go back to Wal-Mart.

        Be very meticulous with your terms and conditions, post them openly where everyone can find them, and be careful with any graphics. If you need a button made that does NOT say 200% refund on it, let me know and I'll Photoshop one for you tonight. LOL

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    • Profile picture of the author Tadresources
      Originally Posted by JaRyCu View Post

      I would NOT buy it until I'd read at least 20 negative reviews and 20 positive reviews.
      That is really great advice in general. People (read; me) always look for great reviews and often discount the value of bad reviews, even for great products. I think I sometimes fall victim to confirmation bias too when I really want to like a product.
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      • Profile picture of the author mosthost
        Originally Posted by Tadresources View Post

        That is really great advice in general. People (read; me) always look for great reviews and often discount the value of bad reviews, even for great products. I think I sometimes fall victim to confirmation bias too when I really want to like a product.
        It's partly confirmation bias and partly the fact that many reviews have been spammed onto the first three pages so it's tough finding dissenting opinions.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tenzho
      Originally Posted by JaRyCu View Post

      My first thought on someone who was offering double my money back is that they are crazy! Either crazy-confident in their product, or just plain crazy and they've never done business before.
      I have the exact same feeling when I bought Jeremy's product,
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      • Profile picture of the author rhinocl
        I wouldn't want to be in the seller's shoes if he ever had to defend his position in a courtroom. 'No questions asked' should mean just that and the fact that it is in a graphic doesn't change the fact that it probably shouldn't be there if he doesn't mean it. We all understand that some parts of ads are hard to change without going way over budget and he'll probably get away with it but a little better CYA might have been wiser.
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        • Profile picture of the author JeremiahSay
          Originally Posted by rhinocl View Post

          I wouldn't want to be in the seller's shoes if he ever had to defend his position in a courtroom. 'No questions asked' should mean just that and the fact that it is in a graphic doesn't change the fact that it probably shouldn't be there if he doesn't mean it. We all understand that some parts of ads are hard to change without going way over budget and he'll probably get away with it but a little better CYA might have been wiser.
          I've removed the graphic that state "no question asked" .
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          • Profile picture of the author Don Schenk
            Originally Posted by JeremiahSay View Post

            I've removed the graphic that state "no question asked" .
            Good Jeremiah.

            I have not looked at the ad. If there is any kind of T&C about what one must do if they have a problem or want a refund, it needs to be placed in the ad where potential buyers can read it BEFORE making the purchase.

            Again, I also beleve PayPal would have a hard time with a product that has its purchase T&C stated after the purchase.

            PayPal has been closing accounts right and left. All it would take is one complaint to get them to look at the ad.

            I'm glad you changed it.

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            • Profile picture of the author JeremiahSay
              Originally Posted by Don Schenk View Post

              Good Jeremiah.

              I have not looked at the ad. If there is any kind of T&C about what one must do if they have a problem or want a refund, it needs to be placed in the ad where potential buyers can read it BEFORE making the purchase.

              Again, I also beleve PayPal would have a hard time with a product that has its purchase T&C stated after the purchase.

              PayPal has been closing accounts right and left. All it would take is one complaint to get them to look at the ad.

              I'm glad you changed it.

              :-Don
              Yes I'm still a newbie in IM.. only 4 months in WF, I guess that's the reason why I've made such a terrible mistake, nevertheless I would want to sincerely thank you for being honest and straight forward with me (If not I'm might still leave it there).

              This is a priceless experience which I will NOT exchange for anything else.. I'll use this experience to improve myself on my next wso launch.

              Thanks to you and everyone else (including TanZho) for giving me such a priceless education (although it's really very very painful, heart-breaking experience I still thank God for you guys)

              God bless all of you,
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              • Profile picture of the author Brenny76065
                Jeremiah,

                I appreciate your honesty and sincerity. No doubt you've learned from the experience. I think you're one of the good guys. God bless you as well!

                YBIC,

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                • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                  This sort of thing has come up here before.

                  One case involved a thread with no refund policy stated, but a "100% Satisfaction Guarantee" logo on the buy button. As far as we're concerned, that is a clear statement of a refund policy.

                  In this case, the graphic would override the written T&Cs, as it created an impression that negated the need to look further for the policy. We're not real big on weasel-wording here. If you create a strong impression that would be interpreteted the same way by most reasonable people, that's what you live by.

                  Note that the forum does NOT require that you offer a refund policy. If you don't, that issue is between you and your customers. We only require that you abide by whatever policy you post.


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    • Profile picture of the author Devjeet
      Originally Posted by JaRyCu View Post

      My first thought on someone who was offering double my money back is that they are crazy! Either crazy-confident in their product, or just plain crazy and they've never done business before.

      There might be another thoughts....SCAMMER....:-)
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    • Profile picture of the author cjreynolds
      Originally Posted by JaRyCu View Post

      My first thought on someone who was offering double my money back is that they are crazy! Either crazy-confident in their product, or just plain crazy and they've never done business before.

      My first action would be to Google the product and see what other people thought about it. I would NOT buy it until I'd read at least 20 negative reviews and 20 positive reviews.

      As far as presenting the terms of exchange, replacement, and refund at the end of the sale, that's not uncommon. Have you ever walked into a Best Buy? They have gigantic signs stating their policy, but they're placed at the cash registers and you don't really notice them until you're paying or have already paid.

      I would've been VERY careful and, all things considered, probably not have bought the product. 200% refund policies will not keep a company in business for long...if I were more devious, I'd buy it and immediately refund it just to make double my money back. That's a great investment for me.

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  • Profile picture of the author JeremiahSay
    Originally Posted by Tenzho View Post

    What do you think about products who offer 200% refund no question asked (didn't state refund policy in sales letter), after you bought the product, 200% refund terms and conditions showed up in that product?
    Haha.. Hi Tenzho,

    You're obviously referring to my latest wso. 1st: thanks for your purchase , I really appreciate it.. Of course there's must be some kind of T&C when asking for a 200% refund (like how you've asked me in my wso thread).

    2nd: Thanks for your feedback, nevertheless I've stated that there will be T&C in my sales video (Although I didn't state clearly enough in my sales-page). I will include a clear T&C in my sales page.

    Jeremiah

    P.S. In this world, there's 2 kind of people, 1 would talk in front of you and the other would talk behind of you. I'm someone who would prefer others to stab me in the chest rather than in the back.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tenzho
      Originally Posted by JeremiahSay View Post

      Haha.. Hi Tenzho,

      You're obviously referring to my latest wso. 1st: thanks for your purchase , I really appreciate it.. Of course there's must be some kind of T&C when asking for a 200% refund (like how you've asked me in my wso thread).

      2nd: Thanks for your feedback, nevertheless I've stated that there will be T&C in my sales video (Although I didn't state clearly enough in my sales-page). Really appreciate your feedback. I will include a clear T&C in my sales page.

      Jeremiah

      P.S. In this world, there's 2 kind of people, 1 would talk in front of you and the other would talk behind of you. I'm someone who would prefer someone to stab me in the chest rather than in the back.
      I'm afraid I will kill your business by posting it there. Sorry for stabbing you in the back.

      My opinion is you should state your refund policies on the sales page and remove the "no question asked", because in your terms and conditions, there will be questions asked. So just my 2cents for you to avoid angry people rampaging on your sales letter.
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      • Profile picture of the author JeremiahSay
        Originally Posted by Tenzho View Post

        I'm afraid I will kill your business by posting it there. Sorry for stabbing you in the back.

        My opinion is you should state your refund policies on the sales page and remove the "no question asked", because in your terms and conditions, there will be questions asked. So just my 2cents for you to avoid angry people rampaging on your sales letter.
        Thanks Tenzho for your honest feedback, I'll keep that in mind.. The "no question asked" is a graphic image.. as much as I want to remove it, I can't..

        However, I've stated "terms and condition applied" in the FAQs section and the P.S. area. I'm sure customers will be able to see it clearly before buying it.

        Thanks for your feedback,
        Jeremiah
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    • Profile picture of the author Qamar
      Originally Posted by JeremiahSay View Post


      P.S. In this world, there's 2 kind of people, 1 would talk in front of you and the other would talk behind of you. I'm someone who would prefer others to stab me in the chest rather than in the back.
      No offence bro, but why do expect to be stab at the first place?




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      • Profile picture of the author JeremiahSay
        Originally Posted by Qamar View Post

        No offence bro, but why do expect to be stab at the first place?




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        Great question, the problem is.. whether you are doing right or wrong people will tend to stab you. It's just part and partial of life.. Look at mother Teresa, she did so many kind and wonderful things to help others but what did she got? Sometimes, a stab in the back..

        Look at our Lord Jesus? Came to this world to help mankind but was nailed on the cross.

        I'm NOT asking Tenzh what to do, I'm simply giving him a choice.

        Jeremiah
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        • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
          Originally Posted by JeremiahSay View Post

          Look at mother Teresa, she did so many kind and wonderful things to help others but what did she got? Sometimes, a stab in the back..
          Look at our Lord Jesus? Came to this world to help mankind but was nailed on the cross.
          Oh please. You placed an ad in an online forum. Get a sense of perspective. :rolleyes:
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    • Profile picture of the author texas319
      Originally Posted by JeremiahSay View Post

      P.S. In this world, there's 2 kind of people, 1 would talk in front of you and the other would talk behind of you. I'm someone who would prefer others to stab me in the chest rather than in the back.
      Well said.. lol @ he bought the product then opened a thread about the gaurantee... what were the T&C?
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  • Profile picture of the author thetrafficguy
    Terms "should" be placed in the sales pitch.

    Usually its a guaranteed refund, then if you met the conditions for the double your money back you'll get the additional amount.

    As far as the guarantee... research "Gary Halbert double money back guarantee"
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  • Profile picture of the author texas319
    In my case just starting out I could see some people taking advantage of that system. I will say you must be VERYYYY confident in your product!
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  • Profile picture of the author Don Schenk
    Let me preface this with, "I am not an attorney."

    I remember information I learned at a seminar about "the law and advertising," and again from another seminar on the same topic sponsored by the BBB, (and put on by the law firm where my favorite attorney works)...

    ...All terms and conditions about the guarantee must be stated in the advertisement. This is why you will see "fine print" at the bottom of the ad.

    Whatever way the guarantee reads in the ad, is the guarantee. That's it. Period. To do otherwise goes against trade law.

    If you cannot go back and change the ad, then you must live with the guarantee as stated in the ad.

    The reason I attended these seminars is because I am a strong believer in the power of guarantees as a marketing tool, yet I didn't want to find myself in "hot water" over the wording my guarantees, and I didn't want to make a really outrageous guarantee knowing I would need to abide by it as written in my ads.

    Jeremaih, you may need to reconsider your ad, because I think you can be forced to abide by the guarantee as stated in the ad. I'll just bet PayPal would have a fit with the wording of your guarantee.

    :-Don
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    • Profile picture of the author JeremiahSay
      Originally Posted by Don Schenk View Post

      Let me preface this with, "I am not an attorney."

      I remember information I learned at a seminar about "the law and advertising," and again from another seminar on the same topic sponsored by the BBB, (and put on by the law firm where my favorite attorney works)...

      ...All terms and conditions about the gurarantee must be stated in the advertisment.

      Whatever way the guarantee reads in the ad, is the guarantee. That's it. Period. To otherwise goes against trade law.

      If you can not go back and change the ad, them you must live with the guarantee as stated in the ad.

      The reason I attended these seminars is because I am a strong believer in the power of guarantees as a marketing tool, yet I didn't want to find myself in "hot water" over the wording my guarantees, and I didn't want to make a really outrageous guarantee knowing I would need to abide by it as written in my ads.

      Jeremaih, you made need to recondiser your ad, because I think you can be forced to abide by the guarantee as stated in the ad. I'll just bet PayPal would have a fit with the wording of your guarantee.

      :-Don
      Will do the editing now. Thanks for the headsup.. I think you are saving me a lot of legal
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    • Profile picture of the author Brenny76065
      P.S. In this world, there's 2 kind of people, 1 would talk in front of you and the other would talk behind of you. I'm someone who would prefer others to stab me in the chest rather than in the back.

      Great question, the problem is.. whether you are doing right or wrong people will tend to stab you. It's just part and partial of life.. Look at mother Teresa, she did so many kind and wonderful things to help others but what did she got? Sometimes, a stab in the back..

      Look at our Lord Jesus? Came to this world to help mankind but was nailed on the cross.

      I'm NOT asking Tenzh what to do, I'm simply giving him a choice.

      Jeremiah

      Jeremiah,

      I don't understand why you think the OP stabbed you in the back. He posted a generic question. It wasn't until you identified yourself as the seller that anyone knew it was you.

      I think it's obvious that your copy could have been more forthcoming, and that if any apologies are due, it would be an apology from you to anyone who purchased your product. IMHO.
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      • Profile picture of the author JeremiahSay
        Originally Posted by Brenny76065 View Post

        Jeremiah,

        I don't understand why you think the OP stabbed you in the back. He posted a generic question. It wasn't until you identified yourself as the seller that anyone knew it was you.

        I think it's obvious that your copy could have been more forthcoming, and that if any apologies are due, it would be an apology from you to anyone who purchased your product. IMHO.
        I didn't say that the OP stabbed me in the back. I praised and thank him for posting this thread as a form of reminder to me.

        I posted the stab in the back thingy as a P.S. Like I said, I'm merely offering him (and everyone else) a choice.

        I should say sorry .. YES I definitely have to say sorry to those who asked for their money back (200% refund), in fact I should give them without hesitation. But the buyer thus far has not ask for any refund (at least, till now no one has ask for a refund yet)..

        Thank you for your honest opinion!
        Jeremiah
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  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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    Well, this got very self promotional very fast. :rolleyes:
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    • Profile picture of the author JeremiahSay
      Originally Posted by BIG Mike View Post

      I think (and maybe Brian Kindsvater will weigh in on this) that originally, what the seller was doing is called a "Shrink Wrap License" and the legalities of those are questionable at best.

      In most cases, I think they were only enforceable when the customer was allowed to return the product within a certain time frame if they didn't agree to the "Hidden" terms.

      I'm not a lawyer and don't want to be one, but I think anytime you try and play games with refunds, it's a very bad idea.

      Clearly stating the refund terms and conditions becomes legally binding on the buyer at the time of purchase - it's how I consistently get charge backs reversed through Paypal.

      You can established pretty much any terms you want as long as they're not illegal or unenforceable in the first place.

      In this case, I hope the seller at least extends a refund option to those who purchased under the hidden terms.
      Thanks Mike, I have stated very clearly the terms and conditions on the sales page (I have also removed the "no question asked" graphics).. It's really up to the buyer to decide.. There are no more "hidden terms".
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  • Profile picture of the author ChadOath
    I would buy it and then ask for a refund. That's 100% ROI instantly.
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    • Profile picture of the author Irwin Dominguez
      Originally Posted by ChadOath View Post

      I would buy it and then ask for a refund. That's 100% ROI instantly.
      LOL... funny but true!!! 200% refund policy is insane!
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  • Profile picture of the author Deacon Blues
    I find it interesting that so many people on this forum try to "game the system" to their advantage (just look at all the threads about gaming google, twitter, pinterest,etc.) and then all of the same people are surprised and appalled when someone tries to game their system.

    Anyone that offers a 200% money back guarantee no questions asked better have deep pockets no matter how good your product is.
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  • Profile picture of the author Takuya Hikichi
    It is not all that crazy always to offer
    "double your money back" guarantee.

    What if such guarantee increased
    your conversion rate significantly
    that even there are refunds made
    and still profited more in the long run?

    What if, out of all the customers
    who bought the core sale, upgraded
    through significantly more profitable
    funnel and you know you could
    profit always in the long run?

    With this in assurance in mind, the marketer
    can offer such guarantee and do so at
    low risk.

    And, for some sales letters, what I have seen
    is when someone says "double your money
    back guarantee", I am reading "If you don't
    make twice as money as you have invested
    in this product, then I will refund you."

    So it's not that crazy. Just need to know
    how it can be done and always offer refunds
    in the terms stated.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tim_Carter
    This is making sales off of the guarantee rather than the quality of the product. A bit of a chicken #@it way to sell a product.
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    • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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      Originally Posted by Tim_Carter View Post

      This is making sales off of the guarantee rather than the quality of the product. A bit of a chicken #@it way to sell a product.
      Out of "Thanks" but I would tend to agree with this line of thinking. Seems to be a bit of a gimmick. Of course, I am only one person with one opinion, so who am I to talk? Let the market decide I guess.
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      • Profile picture of the author JeremiahSay
        Originally Posted by Tim_Carter View Post

        This is making sales off of the guarantee rather than the quality of the product. A bit of a chicken #@it way to sell a product.
        Originally Posted by Joe Robinson View Post

        Out of "Thanks" but I would tend to agree with this line of thinking. Seems to be a bit of a gimmick. Of course, I am only one person with one opinion, so who am I to talk? Let the market decide I guess.
        Oooch.. It hurts (very badly, really!).. I'm not trying to make sells solely depending on the guarantees.. In fact, with 200% guarantee I'm having FAR less sales than my first wso with 100% guarantee .. (really a big wake up call for me)

        My main purpose for this wso is to provide more (deliver a better quality product) that's the reason why I only charge $9.49 - $12.97 (dime-sales) for 9 training videos..

        In this thread, I have heard all kinds of comments like scam, rubbish, unethical etc.. But seriously?:confused:

        (It's really heart breaking) Did you guys even go thru my sales-page? I merely wanted to offer a better deal, higher quality product and at a better price. (see my sig)

        Trust me, it really hurts like ****, I spend 2 months creating this product.. and it ended up like that. It's okay if it doesn't make sales (I can accept that).. But for you guys to say that this is scam etc.. Man, that's NEVER EVER my intention.

        Jeremiah
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        • Profile picture of the author Alan Petersen
          Originally Posted by JeremiahSay View Post

          Oooch.. It hurts (very badly, really!).. I'm not trying to make sells solely depending on the guarantees.. In fact, with 200% guarantee I'm having FAR less sales than my first wso with 100% guarantee .. (really a big wake up call for me)

          My main purpose for this wso is to provide more (deliver a better quality product) that's the reason why I only charge $9.49 - $12.97 (dime-sales) for 9 training videos..

          In this thread, I have heard all kinds of comments like scam, rubbish, unethical etc.. But seriously?:confused:

          (It's really heart breaking) Did you guys even go thru my sales-page? I merely wanted to offer a better deal, higher quality product and at a better price. (see my sig)

          Trust me, it really hurts like ****, I spend 2 months creating this product.. and it ended up like that. It's okay if it doesn't make sales (I can accept that).. But for you guys to say that this is scam etc.. Man, that's NEVER EVER my intention.

          Jeremiah
          You're the one who said, "hey this thread is about me". The OP didn't mention your name or WSO. He was asking about the practice in general. You're the one who drew the attention to your WSO.

          At least it looks like you adhered to the suggestions offered here, so at least your refund policy and conditions are now transparent. Kudos for that.
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  • Profile picture of the author Aviator Joe
    I'd say that it is more of a marketing gimmick. I have seen it in past on some products by big name gurus.
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  • I don't like this crazy (and fake) refunds of 200%, because the seller will never made refunds for that highly amount. Especially now that we are in recession.
    At least they will give you a 100% refunds, unless you post proofs of fail using that method.

    This is my point of view.

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  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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    Jeremiah, it was not a personal jab at you (even though this thread has pretty much turned into one about your WSO); but as you just mentioned your results kind of are backing up my thought process.

    I haven't commented on your offer specifically, and I won't because I haven't bought it and have no intention to. I've been commenting on WSO's and refund guarantees in general. You brought your product into this voluntarily for the others to judge, so if you're hurt you kind of brought it on yourself.
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  • Profile picture of the author onegoodman
    does that mean when i pay your product for $100 and request a refund, I will get $200 back instead

    If so, let me know when you are going to start. I will buy our product without even bother looking into what does it do

    Just prepare your money lol
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    • Profile picture of the author Qamar
      Originally Posted by onegoodman View Post

      does that mean when i pay your product for $100 and request a refund, I will get $200 back instead

      If so, let me know when you are going to start. I will buy our product without even bother looking into what does it do

      Just prepare your money lol
      onegoodman, you are suppose to be a one good man right? Don't do it....



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  • Profile picture of the author thetrafficguy
    I've noticed no one has talked about flexing the guarantee while bashing the double your money back guarantee.

    Feel free to think whatever you want, but so far everyone who is bashing it (when it is used properly) is saying it is a scam, or they wouldn't get the money, without citing any actual evidence of such.

    So you think you wouldn't get the refund?

    Usually the double your money back is a performance guarantee. So "use what you're buying and if you don't get "x" result then you can get double your money back.

    But I haven't heard one person talk about actually using any product in question and following the guarantee and not getting the refund.

    Yes, there is a right way and wrong way to use that type of guarantee.

    I know from the side of selling a product, you can have a great product that describes exactly how to get the results claimed.

    However getting people to take action is damn near impossible. If you can provide the results if you can get others to take action, then a guarantee like that can do wonders so people get real results.

    Most people who refund (presupposing you have a quality product) have no intention of using the information or care about the product itself. Its a good way to weed out bad customers among other things.
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    • Profile picture of the author Deacon Blues
      Originally Posted by thetrafficguy View Post

      I've noticed no one has talked about flexing the guarantee while bashing the double your money back guarantee.

      Feel free to think whatever you want, but so far everyone who is bashing it (when it is used properly) is saying it is a scam, or they wouldn't get the money, without citing any actual evidence of such.

      So you think you wouldn't get the refund?

      Usually the double your money back is a performance guarantee. So "use what you're buying and if you don't get "x" result then you can get double your money back.

      But I haven't heard one person talk about actually using any product in question and following the guarantee and not getting the refund.

      Yes, there is a right way and wrong way to use that type of guarantee.

      I know from the side of selling a product, you can have a great product that describes exactly how to get the results claimed.

      However getting people to take action is damn near impossible. If you can provide the results if you can get others to take action, then a guarantee like that can do wonders so people get real results.

      Most people who refund (presupposing you have a quality product) have no intention of using the information or care about the product itself. Its a good way to weed out bad customers among other things.
      Did you read the op? This conversation began with someone offering a 200% money back guarantee, no questions asked.

      Do you think that's a legitimate offer? You wouldn't consider an offer like that to most likely be a scam?

      Would you be surprised if an offer with a 200% money back guarantee, no questions asked had a very high refund request rate? Would you be surprised if you didn't get double your money back and it turned out to be a scam?

      That's what this thread started out about.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        The sales copy says nothing about "no questions asked" in the refund offer. Don't know where you got that.

        The WSO says "a few guidelines and proof to be sent" before the refund is processed. That's in the sales copy. Was the text changed - or misread?

        The OP asked about the refund in the sales thread - and the seller answered clearly stating there were conditions - and THEN the OP started this thread.

        I think anyone seeing a 200% guarantee should realize there will be some conditions. The time to ask the question is before you buy - not after.
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  • Profile picture of the author cjreynolds
    It seems the word "scam" is thrown around too easily here. Everyone seems to be calling this WSO a "scam", simply because the seller couldn't possibly live up to his guarantee - with no plausible proof that he didn't intend to live up to said guarantee.

    I don't know this fella, but just reading the posts here, my gut feeling is that this is a guy who had what he thought was a great idea to increase sales, and prove that he stands behind his product. Naive? Maybe. Dishonest? I don't want to jump to that conclusion.

    Yeah, it may have been a misstep to identify himself in this thread, but again, newbie mistake.

    It seems his biggest crime, if I'm reading him right, is assuming that all his customers would be honest enough not to rob him blind for such an offer (I'm sure these illusions will be dispelled in short time ).
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