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Greetings warriors! A few questions for you about you and your business.

1. What is your primary niche? Do you even have a primary niche, or are you working on multiple smaller sites? If so, which niches do you target?

2. What makes you choose a niche? What made that niche appeal to you? Do you sell your own info products, do you sell advertising, are you an affiliate marketer or does your business encompass some combination of these various models?

3. Do you believe that the "big" niches like IM, weight loss, dating, etc. are completely saturated? I've noticed a lot of people focusing on product niches instead like kitchen appliances or computer hardware. Is the future in more product-oriented niches and sites?

4. How many pages of content did you have to put up before you were keyword optimized enough to begin really seeing the traffic?

5. What makes a niche or a site successful or special,in your opinion? Everyone strives for quality content...what have you done to set your site out from the crowd?

Thanks in advance for thinking about these questions and answering them!
#niche #traffic generation
  • Profile picture of the author TheArticlePros
    Originally Posted by Carmen_Hudson View Post

    Greetings warriors! A few questions for you about you and your business.

    1. What is your primary niche? Do you even have a primary niche, or are you working on multiple smaller sites? If so, which niches do you target?
    You won't get many answers on this...for IM'ers, this is like asking for their SSNs.

    2. What makes you choose a niche? What made that niche appeal to you? Do you sell your own info products, do you sell advertising, are you an affiliate marketer or does your business encompass some combination of these various models?
    For me, I build sites for two reasons: 1) I fully research them for AdSense and make sure they're viable or 2) It just looks like fun. If it's option #2, then I have no plan to make money it, but it's just something I'll do until I get tired of it.

    3. Do you believe that the "big" niches like IM, weight loss, dating, etc. are completely saturated? I've noticed a lot of people focusing on product niches instead like kitchen appliances or computer hardware. Is the future in more product-oriented niches and sites?
    For beginners, there is no point in trying. For an experienced IM'er, then these niches are fair game. If you know what you're doing, you can still find good keywords to build sniper sites out of in any niche, no matter how saturated it may be.

    4. How many pages of content did you have to put up before you were keyword optimized enough to begin really seeing the traffic?
    2 pages.

    5. What makes a niche or a site successful or special,in your opinion? Everyone strives for quality content...what have you done to set your site out from the crowd?
    Simple answer: The dollar signs in my AdSense account going up make a niche special to me. If it is one of my "fun" sites, then I like getting feedback from the users/readers and hearing what they like about it.

    Thanks in advance for thinking about these questions and answering them!
    You're welcome!

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    • Profile picture of the author SalahStudios
      Originally Posted by JaRyCu View Post

      You won't get many answers on this...for IM'ers, this is like asking for their SSNs.
      LOL, so true! I will tell you that I usually stick to traditional product niches, the classic stuff that's consistent offline...nothing trendy, too techy, etc. With traditional products I find the traffic is still good, CTR is great, and the competition is minimal. Since I can't hide the fact that I have one of my niche sites for auction on Flippa you can check out my sig to get an idea of what I prefer.
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      • Profile picture of the author cashp0wer
        I have many different niches but not telling. - Find something that you are interested in and start there.
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  • Profile picture of the author Cataclysm1987
    Originally Posted by Carmen_Hudson View Post

    Greetings warriors! A few questions for you about you and your business.

    1. What is your primary niche? Do you even have a primary niche, or are you working on multiple smaller sites? If so, which niches do you target?

    2. What makes you choose a niche? What made that niche appeal to you? Do you sell your own info products, do you sell advertising, are you an affiliate marketer or does your business encompass some combination of these various models?

    3. Do you believe that the "big" niches like IM, weight loss, dating, etc. are completely saturated? I've noticed a lot of people focusing on product niches instead like kitchen appliances or computer hardware. Is the future in more product-oriented niches and sites?

    4. How many pages of content did you have to put up before you were keyword optimized enough to begin really seeing the traffic?

    5. What makes a niche or a site successful or special,in your opinion? Everyone strives for quality content...what have you done to set your site out from the crowd?

    Thanks in advance for thinking about these questions and answering them!
    1. Not telling!

    2. It has to be appealing and have good demand with relatively low competition.

    3. No, and for the record, a big niche is not a niche. It's a market.

    When you say the dating niche, you are referring to a market that's worth many billions of dollars. Hardly a niche.

    A niche would exist within that market, like the senior dating niche or how to get your ex back or learning to be more attractive to women. That's a niche. Dating is not.

    Same thing goes with IM. Just because you're not interested in the highly overrated and saturated make money online crap doesn't mean you can't get into web design, copy writing, SEO, membership sites, software or any of the other countless niches with IM that are small enough to dominate.

    4. Pages of content? You have this all wrong. It's about links, not pages of content. Matt Cutts has openly admitted to this. I can get you the video if you like.

    5. People with hair on fire and wallets filled with cash!
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    • Profile picture of the author Gaje
      Originally Posted by Cataclysm1987 View Post

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      4. Pages of content? You have this all wrong. It's about links, not pages of content. Matt Cutts has openly admitted to this. I can get you the video if you like.
      Hi Cataclysm -I'm interested in seeing this particular Matt Cutts video (there are many, so I'm not sure which one you're referring to.) Mind sharing? Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author sirtiman
    Just start action in your niche, don't be fear to choose your steps. No need to digg too much for others IMer's kitchen. Don't be too much overload info. Start make money!
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  • Profile picture of the author myob
    Originally Posted by Carmen_Hudson View Post

    What is your primary niche? Do you even have a primary niche, or are you working on multiple smaller sites? If so, which niches do you target?
    There is no such thing as a "primary niche" in my marketing model. If it's big, competitive, and lucrative, I'm in it. A few of my favorite niches include; economics, health, medical, pharmaceuticals, diet and fitness, recipes, financial, real estate, technology, biotechnology, genetics, energy, art, fashion, jewelry, literature, architecture, engineering, history, ancient civilization, hobbies, biography, sociology, education, religion, philosophy, politics, criminology, security, sports, travel, aircraft, space exploration, agriculture, chemistry, physics, astronomy, cosmology, psychology, zoology, ecology, biology, archaeology, geology, oceanography, climatology, meteorology, mythology, occult, astrology, conspiracies, UFOs, "2012" and other end of the world prophecies, etc.

    What makes you choose a niche? What made that niche appeal to you? Do you sell your own info products, do you sell advertising, are you an affiliate marketer or does your business encompass some combination of these various models?
    The major criteria is recurring profit potential and the number of high end affiliate products readily available .

    Do you believe that the "big" niches like IM, weight loss, dating, etc. are completely saturated? I've noticed a lot of people focusing on product niches instead like kitchen appliances or computer hardware. Is the future in more product-oriented niches and sites?
    The biggest and most competitively "saturated" niches are the future, although new technology continually drives product innovation, requiring commensurate changes in site/promotion content.

    How many pages of content did you have to put up before you were keyword optimized enough to begin really seeing the traffic?
    With my marketing system, it takes only about five simple pages for a website to be ready for traffic and sales.

    What makes a niche or a site successful or special,in your opinion? Everyone strives for quality content...what have you done to set your site out from the crowd?
    The amount of competition is perhaps the best indicator of a successful niche, in my opinion. As far as setting my sites apart from the crowd, driving traffic directly from targeted readers through article syndication effectively beats out any other marketing method I'm aware of.
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  • Profile picture of the author datingworld
    Dating is industry, not a niche
    it was never saturated and not now and will never be because people do need love, romance and dating, millions of them are searching for dating every single day.

    I am running a dating site and trust me with just 6-7 hours work a week, i am reaching a target where i am thinking to quit my day time job and concentrate on my site.. if i do it i am very confident that i will be making 5 figures per month but due to soem reasons i cant quit my day time job for next couple of months.
    you can always go for geographic niche in dating industry such as vegetarian dating in canada or sports lovers dating in South Africa etc
    good luck with it
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by Carmen_Hudson View Post

    1. What is your primary niche? Do you even have a primary niche
    I have 8 roughly "equal" niches. It's true that for one of them (the first of those 8 that I started) I have bigger lists and more content, but that's only because I've now been involved with it for over 3 years.

    I don't say what they are.

    Originally Posted by Carmen_Hudson View Post

    2. What makes you choose a niche?
    It has to be something I can learn to write about without going to night school just to understand the vocabulary. It has to have a wide range of suitable, high quality products available (and likely to stay that way), including some higher-priced/higher-commission ones. It has to be one whose customers include some reasonably educated and literate people (that doesn't exclude much, though) who have credit-cards and are willing to use them online.

    Originally Posted by Carmen_Hudson View Post

    Do you sell your own info products, do you sell advertising, are you an affiliate marketer
    I'm an affiliate only, of both information and physical products, including ClickBank, Amazon and others.

    Originally Posted by Carmen_Hudson View Post

    3. Do you believe that the "big" niches like IM, weight loss, dating, etc. are completely saturated?
    Those aren't really "niches", to me; but no - I don't believe any of them is completely saturated at all.

    Originally Posted by Carmen_Hudson View Post

    4. How many pages of content did you have to put up before you were keyword optimized enough to begin really seeing the traffic?
    Four or five simple pages is plenty for me to get started.

    "Beginning to see the traffic" doesn't have much to do with keywords, for me. I'm an article marketer, so I don't need to get traffic from search engines.

    (I do actually end up getting about 20% of my traffic from search engines, but not when I'm "beginning to see traffic", and I don't depend on that, and invariably it isn't nearly such good traffic for affiliate sales, anyway).

    Originally Posted by Carmen_Hudson View Post

    5. What makes a niche or a site successful or special,in your opinion?
    For me, as far as building my business and making money go, attracting large quantities of highly targeted, buying traffic through article syndication, without needing to rely on Google, is what always makes it successful.

    Originally Posted by Carmen_Hudson View Post

    what have you done to set your site out from the crowd?
    It's not my "sites" as much as the "whole marketing process", which involves two main things ...

    (i) Not being dependent on SEO (as so many Warriors found out, some to their great cost, during 2011, a business which depends on Google and/or "backlink benefits" for its primary traffic is only ever going to be one algorithm-change away from a potential accident/disaster);

    (ii) The process of continuity, starting with potential customers reading my articles (wherever they read them - ezines/magazines/niche authority-sites etc.), through attracting them to my site, my website content, opt-in, "free report" (or whatever it's called) and email series, with each step being specifically designed to produce the security and reliability of the next.

    For me, the continuity of the process matters a great deal, and my income is always proportional to its success. As long as each part leads (from the customers' perspective) smoothly and inexorably to the next, the sales will come in, and keep coming in. "Concentrating on the selling", per se, doesn't work out nearly so well for me, in income terms.

    Originally Posted by myob View Post

    driving traffic directly from targeted readers through article syndication effectively beats out any other marketing method I'm aware of.
    This ^^^, in short.
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  • Profile picture of the author SpicyRobby
    Originally Posted by Carmen_Hudson View Post

    1. What is your primary niche? Do you even have a primary niche, or are you working on multiple smaller sites? If so, which niches do you target?
    English fluency improvement - here's my blog English Harmony | Improve Spoken English | English Confidence System

    Originally Posted by Carmen_Hudson View Post

    2. What makes you choose a niche? What made that niche appeal to you? Do you sell your own info products, do you sell advertising, are you an affiliate marketer or does your business encompass some combination of these various models?
    My own experience lead me to realize that there's people sharing similar problems; eventually I created a video course helping foreigners with improving their spoken English.

    Originally Posted by Carmen_Hudson View Post

    3. Do you believe that the "big" niches like IM, weight loss, dating, etc. are completely saturated? I've noticed a lot of people focusing on product niches instead like kitchen appliances or computer hardware. Is the future in more product-oriented niches and sites?
    The big niches are saturated and it's a given, I don't think it's subject to any questions. And yes, I think it's getting increasingly difficult (while not impossible) to start a successful website in those niches, but you've gotta be really good, sincere and unique.

    Just look at this one - Live Off Your Passion eCourse - I was actually taken aback by the fact it's the same old how-to-sack-your-boss-start-making-money-online product only with a different spin.

    Originally Posted by Carmen_Hudson View Post

    4. How many pages of content did you have to put up before you were keyword optimized enough to begin really seeing the traffic?
    I'd say about 50

    Originally Posted by Carmen_Hudson View Post

    5. What makes a niche or a site successful or special,in your opinion? Everyone strives for quality content...what have you done to set your site out from the crowd?
    Superb content (I hate to praise myself but I really try to write epic s&*t every time a create content!)

    Unique product

    Motivational YouTube videos

    Friendly guy next door image

    Fact that I've experienced the same issues as my audience.

    Regards,

    Robby
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    • Profile picture of the author cashp0wer
      Never ask someone what there niche is. I know in my opinion that is very personal and not something most people will be willing to tell you.
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      • Profile picture of the author Carmen_Hudson
        Yikes, my apologies, I hadn't realized asking people that was such a big deal. I'm not out to steal anybody's niche's. I'm trying to develop PLR for my site that will appeal to what people actually need right now, as I feel like what I've currently got on offering is missing the boat. I have never heard of it being a big secret as I thought that it would just be like talking about what your business is.
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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          Originally Posted by Carmen_Hudson View Post

          I'm not out to steal anybody's niche's.
          Nooooooo, we know this - don't worry. The problem is that thousands of other people who aren't even members read these threads, and they can. That bothers some people, but it doesn't bother others.

          Originally Posted by Carmen_Hudson View Post

          I thought that it would just be like talking about what your business is.
          That is how some people look at it. Others, though, have put hundreds of hours of research into selecting niches partly on the basis that they're non-competitive, and you can see that they don't really want too many other, competing affiliates discovering the niches?
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      • Profile picture of the author Christopher Fox
        Originally Posted by cashp0wer View Post

        Never ask someone what there niche is. I know in my opinion that is very personal and not something most people will be willing to tell you.
        Asking somebody what color their stool was this morning or how much money they have in their savings account is very personal. You are certainly entitled to your opinion and I am not trying to be contentious quoting you, nor trying to change your opinion or state that it is wrong, but let's not beat around the bush here or mince words and spell it out clearly for Carmen, though I think she understands. But in case others haven't quite figured out what the big secret is:

        An IMer will not publicly talk about what their niche is, especially in a forum like this, not because it is personal, but because to do so is the equivalent of pulling out their diving knife and slicing open their femoral artery in shark infested waters.

        They are trying to prevent competition, which is okay, but it is the reality. It is a business secret, not a personal one. Same reason Coca-Cola won't give you their recipe if you ask for it. And it is why you won't get many people telling you what their niche is.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tenzo
    I currently have active projects on the paleo diet and mind hacks/mental training. I noticed you have an opt-in form on your PLR site. Can I suggest that you add a field for desired topics? You'd practically be assured sales if you mail your list as you write what they request.

    Hope that helps,
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    • Profile picture of the author Carmen_Hudson
      Kevin, that was an amazing suggestion and I just put it into place today. Thank you!

      And yep, Christopher and Alexa, I totally understand now about asking about the niches. Thank you for being so understanding about my faux pas!
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      • Profile picture of the author Christopher Fox
        Originally Posted by Carmen_Hudson View Post

        Kevin, that was an amazing suggestion and I just put it into place today. Thank you!

        And yep, Christopher and Alexa, I totally understand now about asking about the niches. Thank you for being so understanding about my faux pas!
        Mehh ... faux pas, schmoe pas. You didn't make a mistake - I didn't see any major transgression of etiquette. It is just an element of the industry new to you. Nothing wrong with that, nothing to feel bad about either. Just an idiosyncrasy of the industry.

        Concerning your original intent for your questions, in addition to what myob rattled off, I would survey your competition. See what they are selling. You should be able to get a pretty good idea of what is in demand, as well as maybe areas where the competition is a bit weaker.

        Best of luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author fin
    Sub-niche of personal development, here.

    Passion, good products, hungry market, and the ability to market it everywhere.

    No.

    2, don't use keywords.

    Providing value, solving a problem and being unique.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeff Lenney
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    I seriously doubt ANYBODY here would give up their primary main money making niche. That would open it up to you and thousands of other new competitors that might not have known about it before.

    I'll tell you one secret - the BIG niches usually are the best. The reason for this is they have many SUB-NICHES. I make most of my money in one rather LARGE niche, but I also make alot of money in a few other less targeted niches that i'd rather NOT have saturated.

    Don't worry about how competitive they are, that just means there is a bigger piece of the pie for you
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      Pssst... Don't tell anybody, but the niches listed in post #5 really are huge money-makers.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jeff Lenney
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        Originally Posted by myob View Post

        Pssst... Don't tell anybody but the niches listed in post #5 are huge money-makers.
        Touche, good sir, touche!
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      • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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        Originally Posted by myob View Post

        Pssst... Don't tell anybody, but the niches listed in post #5 are huge money-makers.
        Who wants to go head to head against myob in one of his favorite niches?

        ...

        Nobody?

        Fine, I got this . I'll take you in all of them .

        *Don't hold me to it, Paul. Still getting my first and secondniches built .
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        • Profile picture of the author myob
          Originally Posted by Joe Robinson View Post

          Who wants to go head to head against myob in one of his favorite niches?
          Seriously, unless your marketing model is heavily SEO oriented, don't shun such competitive niches. High competition is a strong indicator of high profit potential, which seldom is seen in so many of the wimpy-assed niches that are chosen only because they're easier to rank in Google.

          Being a simple kind of guy, it seems better to be making money than the endless sisyphean scramble just to get on the top of some heap of useless crap. There are still huge profits being made in the so called "saturated" niches by many who have learned to by-pass the hordes of SEO marketers and their entrenched keywords.
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          • Profile picture of the author Hentie
            Originally Posted by myob View Post

            Seriously, unless your marketing model is heavily SEO oriented, don't shun such competitive niches. High competition is a strong indicator of high profit potential, which seldom is seen in so many of the wimpy-assed niches that are chosen only because they're easier to rank in Google.

            Being a simple kind of guy, it seems better to be making money than the endless sisyphean scramble just to get on the top of some heap of useless crap. There are still huge profits being made in the so called "saturated" niches by many who have learned to by-pass the hordes of SEO marketers and their entrenched keywords.
            So right Myob, I am only now beginning to explore direct traffic (also mentioned elsewhere above) instead of the insan SEO game
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    I just the odd and weird micro niches and then build adsense sites on them.
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  • Profile picture of the author RyanLima
    Dude there are soooooo many hit niches out there...when you find a money maker you'll realize why no one will give your their niches on this thread....
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by SpicyRobby View Post

      My own experience lead me to realize that there's people sharing similar problems; eventually I created a video course helping foreigners with improving their spoken English.
      [snip]
      Regards,

      Robby
      Robby, I had visions of my Hispanic neighbors speaking English with an Irish brogue...

      Originally Posted by Carmen_Hudson View Post

      Yikes, my apologies, I hadn't realized asking people that was such a big deal. I'm not out to steal anybody's niche's.
      Nothing to apologize for. As others have pointed out, it's just one of those odd things. You aren't out to steal anybody's niche; you actually want to serve them.

      But with over 350,000 members, and unknown numbers of lurkers, there are plenty of people who would gladly steal not just your niche but your content, links, and anything else they think might give them an advantage.

      Originally Posted by myob View Post

      Being a simple kind of guy, it seems better to be making money than the endless sisyphean scramble just to get on the top of some heap of useless crap. There are still huge profits being made in the so called "saturated" niches by many who have learned to by-pass the hordes of SEO marketers and their entrenched keywords.
      Simple kind of guy, and he pulls out sisyphean? Yeah, right...
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      • Profile picture of the author myob
        Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

        Simple kind of guy, and he pulls out sisyphean? Yeah, right...
        Sisyphus had the same tricky traits as many SEO folks do nowadays. That's what gets them into trouble. Even a simple guy like me can see that playing tricks on the gods at Google really just pisses them off all-to-hell.
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnGaltMarket
    1. What is your primary niche? Do you even have a primary niche, or are you working on multiple smaller sites? If so, which niches do you target?

    IM

    2. What makes you choose a niche? What made that niche appeal to you? Do you sell your own info products, do you sell advertising, are you an affiliate marketer or does your business encompass some combination of these various models?

    Money

    3. Do you believe that the "big" niches like IM, weight loss, dating, etc. are completely saturated? I've noticed a lot of people focusing on product niches instead like kitchen appliances or computer hardware. Is the future in more product-oriented niches and sites?

    More competition there is, the more money there is.

    4. How many pages of content did you have to put up before you were keyword optimized enough to begin really seeing the traffic?

    Never done it yet.

    5. What makes a niche or a site successful or special,in your opinion? Everyone strives for quality content...what have you done to set your site out from the crowd?


    The quality of the feeling it contents and how everything is disposed.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
    Originally Posted by Carmen_Hudson View Post

    Greetings warriors! A few questions for you about you and your business.

    1. What is your primary niche? Do you even have a primary niche, or are you working on multiple smaller sites? If so, which niches do you target?!
    Any market that has rabid buyers, healthy competition, advertising dollars, and organizations that have done 99% of the market research for me. Most people who know me in this forum know that one of my niches is the dating niche. It's an evergreen niche with rabid, repeat buyers and is comprised of no less than 20 sub-niches and about 80 plus related-ancilliary niches.

    2. What makes you choose a niche? What made that niche appeal to you? Do you sell your own info products, do you sell advertising, are you an affiliate marketer or does your business encompass some combination of these various models?
    I look for evergreen niches that are going to be profitable for my monetization models. I sell my own infoproducts, I also promote CPA and affiliate offers, I buy and sell traffic, and I also do strategic consulting with both big and small companies.

    3. Do you believe that the "big" niches like IM, weight loss, dating, etc. are completely saturated? I've noticed a lot of people focusing on product niches instead like kitchen appliances or computer hardware. Is the future in more product-oriented niches and sites?
    Saturation is a myth. Remember, you don't have to outrun the bear, you only have to outrun the other guy. Bear in mind (no pun intended) that no single organization owns all the distribution and advertising channels, not to mention the PR channels.

    4. How many pages of content did you have to put up before you were keyword optimized enough to begin really seeing the traffic?
    The question is way too general to even attempt an answer. I also buy a lot of traffic and focus on list-building.

    5. What makes a niche or a site successful or special, in your opinion? Everyone strives for quality content...what have you done to set your site out from the crowd?

    Thanks in advance for thinking about these questions and answering them!
    If a niche within a market is large enough to have enough buyers where one can profit from it, than from there it's up to the entrepreneur to figure out how to monetize it. It's not so much that one is "special". I focus on the distribution channels, meaning "does this market of buyers have multiple ways of being reached effectively?" I have a lot of websites, but most of them stand apart for two very distinct reasons:

    1. My USP is very clear (unique selling proposition).

    2. The website sales or video copy is done in MY voice and uses the jargon of my target audience.

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  • Profile picture of the author moniegc
    1.) I do marketing copy and content writing for mid sized to larger businesses. Haven't yet drilled down to a target industry.
    2.) I chose this niche, because it's what I do best and I enjoy it. Plus there's a need for it.
    3.) Weight loss -- it's saturated. Dating -- not sure. I've been married for 7 years.
    4.) Much of my traffic has stemmed from doing guest posts on higher traffic blogs. I put a call to action at the end of my posts, and people follow the links to my site.
    5.) I think the lengths to which you go to be different from others in your industry is what makes an individual's business special. I'm currently evaluating my brand amongst others to see how I can ramp up my key differences.
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    My niche mainly specializes in the internet marketing niche. For some odd reason, people keep saying that it is saturated and hardly anyone ever makes sales in it anymore but that is highly untrue.
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    I don't want to share my niche because I don't want it to get saturated. Find your own! LOL
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