Pros and Cons shipping worldwide?

27 replies
Are there any obvious pros and cons with shipping worldwide? Im based in the UK and i have a list of products i would like to ship throughout the EU and further afield like Malaysia and Singapore.
:confused:
I don't know if ill get any answer but roughly anyone know postal costs if your experienced shipping to countries outside the UK with items such as fairy lights and candle sets?

With shipping how long is delivery, researched and takes about 3-5 is this accurate and what realistic charges would you put on your website to make sure shippings covered for all weights or would you split the weights with different costs?

thank you
#cons #pros #shipping #worldwide
  • Profile picture of the author Tygamonsta
    Get more business shipping worldwide
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6035012].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author QuirkieGifts
    This is probably an obvious questions but when you have a website and shipping worldwide how many different languages should you have that customers can choose from and how many currencies on your website?

    There are quite alot and im not sure if just using English would be helpful. Do i need English, Spanish French etc and sterling, dollars, euros etc?

    Thank you
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6035027].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author AceOfShirts
    I have shipped quite a few shirts worldwide, and by far the biggest problem is the cost. The second biggest problem is the paperwork and time it takes.

    A lot of it depends on the cost of the item you are shipping. Most of my shirts run in the $13 - $16 range. Not many people want to pay $10 to ship a $13 item, but some will depending on how bad they want the shirt. The other thing is that I usually can't just throw it in the mailbox. I usually have to take it to the Post Office and do some customs paperwork. The extra time required for this makes it hardly worth the profit.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6035111].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author QuirkieGifts
    was your tshirts based on the size of the package or both the size and the weight? Id really like to ship some of my stock worldwide but some items mayb just be £9 and say adding £3.99 for shipment im not sure where the profit would be. Ill be shipping single items so it wont be large bulk orders itll be single ones going through the post office sending them to various locations
    I would like it to work and for candles etc to be shipped worldwide but im not not sure on costs and whether to invest time in building my website for worldwide etc..
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6035139].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author GodMode52
      You can ship for cheap as many asian providers doo , the problem is it will take even 40 days to arrive. It really depends what are you shipping and what is the value of your items.
      Signature

      Want Google Page ONE Rankings? [YES] [NO]

      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6035155].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
        There are economies of scale that allow products to be sold in different countries and the way it works best is to have distributors in each country you sell the product in. It is far cheaper to have your products located nearby in bulk when you consider shipping costs.

        Additionally, the Customs paperwork for one item is not that much different from that of an entire pallet of the same items if you're shipping across boarders. But shipping by the pallet is far cheaper than shipping the same number of units individually.

        And as GodMode52 pointed out, it can take weeks for items to be shipped globally. That is why it is critical to have your items warehoused as close to the end user as feasibly possible.

        So it works pretty much like this...if you're the manufacturer you find companies to rep and distribute your products locally in their area or country. If you're not the manufacturer but merely a distributor you limit your sales to an area where the shipping costs and logistics make sense. If you are buying from a wholesaler to ship to retail customers your margins will limit your options due to the price elasticity of your products. At some price point retail buyers will not see the total costs involved as a value worthy of their purchasing the items.

        So the bottom line is this...if you are not the manufacturer of your candles you need to recognize your place in the pecking order in the marketplace. Because the retail buyers determine the top end of the pricing equation and everything you do has to fit under that ceiling and remain profitable for you.

        ~Bill
        Signature
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6035308].message }}
        • Profile picture of the author QuirkieGifts
          thank you for your comments

          just to clarify then, ill be sending orders when i receive them which is most likely to be individual orders. I need to look into the weight of an average pillar candle and maybe other objects like burners and candle sets. Im not sure on the costs of packaging them in bubble wrap and shipping them, i cant seem to find online the prices as an average figure as im not sure of the weight of the candles yet
          :confused:
          Maybe in the future ill look into bulk orders where i send my goods over seas for stores etc which will make the postal costs less. But for sending individual orders overseas im not to sure if this is risky as i dont want it to be too pricey with sending the item over seas recorded delivery for pillar candles.


          appreciate all your comments
          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6035543].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author QuirkieGifts
        Originally Posted by GodMode52 View Post

        You can ship for cheap as many asian providers doo , the problem is it will take even 40 days to arrive. It really depends what are you shipping and what is the value of your items.
        wow 40 days is a long time isnt it. shipping candles and all things in the aromatherapy field really, costs vary from £3-£30+
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6035630].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author rooze
    Hmm...I'm not sure that I see it the way Bill sees it in #7 above. Maybe that was the case 10 years ago but not now, at least not in the USA (I'm sure the UK is no different).

    You just need the right software/systems.

    I ship products worldwide, in fact with one of my businesses my best customers are in Asia. These are products which sell for $15 - $25 each and an average order value is around $55 - so given the rates of exchange I'm in the same ballpark as the OP.

    There's no additional paperwork whatsoever, the software takes care of everything.

    Shipping times are very reasonable, even for the slowest shipping method which for me is First Class Parcel International. Usually it takes 5-7 days to arrive. Sometimes it takes a little longer but it's rare these days for it to take more than 10 days.

    Here's how it works - just about every popular shopping cart these days has a hook-up with the main shipping services in your Country. In your case it will be with the Royal Mail, in mine here in the USA my cart hooks up to the USPS and UPS websites.

    So you enter a shipping weight in the shopping cart for each of your items. You should also create a shipping table, if for some reason the live hook-up doesn't work (occasionally the USPS site might be 'unavailable' for a few minutes).

    Now when people shop at your site, they add items into the basket/cart. When they checkout, the shopping cart software shakes hands with the Royal Mail website and gets a shipping rate to the destination country and that rate is displayed to the shopper before they enter any payment information. The rates are the actual rates you will pay, so long as you've entered the weights correctly and accounted for any oversized packaging. You can mark-up the shipping rates by a percentage if you want to make a profit on the shipping.

    You tell the cart if there are any specific countries where you won't ship, but basically it handles International shipping just like domestic UK.

    That's the first part. Now you want to make it easy to process the order in your facility. I use a program on one of my stores called 'Shipworks'. It's basically a desktop application and it talks directly to your online shopping cart. Each day my shipping folks press a button and all the orders are sucked from the website into Shipworks. Names, addresses, ordered items, weights... everything.

    Now it's a simple case of pressing 'Print Shipping Label'. The software does all of the customs paperwork automatically. Actually, for First Class mail there's very little paperwork. It all prints out on a standard 6"x4" adhesive shipping label. For Priority Mail it prints out 4 A4 sized pages which are slipped into a plastic envelope and attached to the parcel.
    There's nothing to fill in, nothing to sign. You just drop the parcel at the PO like you do all of your other parcels.

    So if you have the right system, shipping a widget to Malaysia is just as simple as sending it down the street.

    And it's cheap too. One of the shopping carts I use is free (Virtuemart). The shipping plugin for the cart was $50 I think.
    The Shipworks software is $15 month, but goes up based on volume.

    Also, the Shipworks software connects easily to eBay, Amazon and other stores if you have them. So all of your orders from all of your stores can be sucked-in and handled from the same interface.

    So to answer your question, there are no real cons to shipping worldwide. It used to be a pain in the ass but technology has made it much easier. And fraud seems to be minimized too. With the new measures in place by credit card companies I see very little fraud from overseas, the stuff that does come through is generally easy to spot.
    Remember though that your customer may need to pay an import duty based on the value of the order. Your software adds a value declaration to the shipping label for customs, and there may be a charge for the customer. So you should make that clear on your website. It's never been an issue for me.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6035652].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author QuirkieGifts
      Originally Posted by rooze View Post

      Hmm...I'm not sure that I see it the way Bill sees it in #7 above. Maybe that was the case 10 years ago but not now, at least not in the USA (I'm sure the UK is no different).

      You just need the right software/systems.

      I ship products worldwide, in fact with one of my businesses my best customers are in Asia. These are products which sell for $15 - $25 each and an average order value is around $55 - so given the rates of exchange I'm in the same ballpark as the OP.

      There's no additional paperwork whatsoever, the software takes care of everything.

      Shipping times are very reasonable, even for the slowest shipping method which for me is First Class Parcel International. Usually it takes 5-7 days to arrive. Sometimes it takes a little longer but it's rare these days for it to take more than 10 days.

      Here's how it works - just about every popular shopping cart these days has a hook-up with the main shipping services in your Country. In your case it will be with the Royal Mail, in mine here in the USA my cart hooks up to the USPS and UPS websites.

      So you enter a shipping weight in the shopping cart for each of your items. You should also create a shipping table, if for some reason the live hook-up doesn't work (occasionally the USPS site might be 'unavailable' for a few minutes).

      Now when people shop at your site, they add items into the basket/cart. When they checkout, the shopping cart software shakes hands with the Royal Mail website and gets a shipping rate to the destination country and that rate is displayed to the shopper before they enter any payment information. The rates are the actual rates you will pay, so long as you've entered the weights correctly and accounted for any oversized packaging. You can mark-up the shipping rates by a percentage if you want to make a profit on the shipping.

      You tell the cart if there are any specific countries where you won't ship, but basically it handles International shipping just like domestic UK.

      That's the first part. Now you want to make it easy to process the order in your facility. I use a program on one of my stores called 'Shipworks'. It's basically a desktop application and it talks directly to your online shopping cart. Each day my shipping folks press a button and all the orders are sucked from the website into Shipworks. Names, addresses, ordered items, weights... everything.

      Now it's a simple case of pressing 'Print Shipping Label'. The software does all of the customs paperwork automatically. Actually, for First Class mail there's very little paperwork. It all prints out on a standard 6"x4" adhesive shipping label. For Priority Mail it prints out 4 A4 sized pages which are slipped into a plastic envelope and attached to the parcel.
      There's nothing to fill in, nothing to sign. You just drop the parcel at the PO like you do all of your other parcels.

      So if you have the right system, shipping a widget to Malaysia is just as simple as sending it down the street.

      And it's cheap too. One of the shopping carts I use is free (Virtuemart). The shipping plugin for the cart was $50 I think.
      The Shipworks software is $15 month, but goes up based on volume.

      Also, the Shipworks software connects easily to eBay, Amazon and other stores if you have them. So all of your orders from all of your stores can be sucked-in and handled from the same interface.

      So to answer your question, there are no real cons to shipping worldwide. It used to be a pain in the ass but technology has made it much easier. And fraud seems to be minimized too. With the new measures in place by credit card companies I see very little fraud from overseas, the stuff that does come through is generally easy to spot.
      Remember though that your customer may need to pay an import duty based on the value of the order. Your software adds a value declaration to the shipping label for customs, and there may be a charge for the customer. So you should make that clear on your website. It's never been an issue for me.
      thank you so much for this information its jam packed and doesn't put me off shipping worldwide which i thought was risky first

      i think its great how you've got it all organised which i guess you really have to be. Im a perfectionist so hopefully shouldnt find it to hard to organise my orders for shipment and then pop down the post office to send my goods

      i use an eCommerce package for my website. This gives options on website like 0>20(k)g is ££ pounds etc. I think i can put the weight of each product into the eCommerce package to let the shopping basket adjust itself accordingly.

      i agree with having the details on a separate content page with weight and prices and delivery time-scales so customers can see the breakdown..

      Do i need to have different languages or just a simple translate link so customers across the world can see what im advising on my site or do people just use English for getting started?

      thank again hugely appreciated!
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6035710].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author rooze
        Originally Posted by QuirkieGifts View Post

        thank you so much for this information its jam packed and doesn't put me off shipping worldwide which i thought was risky first

        i think its great how you've got it all organised which i guess you really have to be. Im a perfectionist so hopefully shouldnt find it to hard to organise my orders for shipment and then pop down the post office to send my goods

        i use an eCommerce package for my website. This gives options on website like 0>20(k)g is ££ pounds etc. I think i can put the weight of each product into the eCommerce package to let the shopping basket adjust itself accordingly.

        i agree with having the details on a separate content page with weight and prices and delivery time-scales so customers can see the breakdown..

        Do i need to have different languages or just a simple translate link so customers across the world can see what im advising on my site or do people just use English for getting started?

        thank again hugely appreciated!
        Believe me, for the longest time I wasn't organized at all. But the inexpensive solutions which exist nowadays make it foolish not to invest the time in setting them up.

        I don't translate anything on my site and I absolutely do not use automated translation tools, like those provided by Google. They can end up creating a text which sounds nothing like the original, and when you're talking about shipping details and Terms, that can be dangerous and back-fire on you.
        So yup, I let people use English I'm sure I loose some potential customers but I like to keep life simple.
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6035770].message }}
        • Profile picture of the author QuirkieGifts
          Originally Posted by rooze View Post

          I don't translate anything on my site and I absolutely do not use automated translation tools, like those provided by Google. They can end up creating a text which sounds nothing like the original, and when you're talking about shipping details and Terms, that can be dangerous and back-fire on you.
          So yup, I let people use English I'm sure I loose some potential customers but I like to keep life simple.
          Do you have currency converter or are you English based and dollars? so id be english site in sterling? and this will go worldwide with customers interested?
          Do you do advertising in English like PPC Google across countries in one set language?

          thank you for your advice.
          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6035878].message }}
          • Profile picture of the author rooze
            Originally Posted by QuirkieGifts View Post

            Do you have currency converter or are you English based and dollars? so id be english site in sterling? and this will go worldwide with customers interested?
            Do you do advertising in English like PPC Google across countries in one set language?

            thank you for your advice.
            I don't use currency converters. Some carts allow the shopper to display the price in their local currency. Can you select Euros for your cart? Would that be a better option for you than GBP Sterling?
            If you are using GBP it might be convenient to have a link to an online currency converter, if your cart doesn't do the conversion for you.

            Obviously I don't know what cart software you use, but if you're concerned about international currency and you want to make overseas shipping easier, ask the cart provider if they have a local currency selector as an option.

            I do all my ads in English and I have in the past gone global with my English PPC ads. I'm not suggesting that's the right way to do it. I'm sure if you created ads in different languages you'd attract more visitors, but you'd need to have your site available in the target language too, otherwise you'd be paying for traffic that wouldn't convert well. (they could read/understand your ad, but not your website).
            {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6035943].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author QuirkieGifts
    ive got a link on my site on the left saying currency converter and it takes the customer to XE - Universal Currency Converter is this ok?

    should i have the words 'currency converter' wrote in different languages like Spanish or have country flags under the link, or i might be confusing myself. Is the currency converter used at checkout or they can check things on all products.

    its eCommerce package i build with 123reg so im not sure as there's different package levels. i think the package im on is just one language and one currency but think ill need to change this so i can have gbr and euros maybe? and just the one language englsih.

    very true for example a Spanish text ad and then an English website wouldn't be very good for thhe customer journey.

    so to summaries then ill do the website
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6036031].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Kostas Papadakis
    Ofcourse its worth having systems making your life easier for you, but before planning sending worldwide its good to consider if the customers could pay the shipping cost - if it's worth doing so..for example big candles are ok I think to send to europe, but very expensive elsewhere...you can see prices depending on the weight at royalmail site.... It all depends on the weight and value....for example, if you sell something to Spain, for 15 pounds and they pay 15 + 3.50 shipping...normal airmail, thats fine, and if it gets lost-wich happens a lot in some countries, like portugal, spain and greece, you can have a compensation from royal mail...a while ago that compensation was up to 40 pounds? You can claim providing them posting receipts and item value, and they grant you with the total of the value+shipping costs If it was to send though just airmail, the same item to canada, the shipping could cost about 9 pounds, which is again very expensive. ( if you use international signed for that is another 7 pounds on top..which makes it expensive for someone to buy, so you loose that potential customer)
    In my opinion, light items ( up to 200gr) are ok to send plain airmail worlwide, as long as their value stays within the compensation range royal mail gives you ( about 40 pounds).
    For more expensive items, you have to use recorded delivery with insurance, so in case of loss, you take the value and postage back....but shipping may seem to be expensive to customers.
    Items with more weight, could be ok ( refering to shipping costs of just airmail) for europe, but not ok for the rest of the world....you can still have them in your website, for customers that buy like 5 or 6 items from you, with combined delivery, which brings the shipping costs down.
    Another point: making profit from the postage paid not a very good idea, as customers can see on the label how much you paid, and it is not professional to charge them more than you paid. you can add though a very very small percentage to the item price to make up for the packaging cost ( padded envelopes, wrapping paper, etc..)
    You can have royal mail collect items from your business address, so you do not spend time queing at the post office, just make sure they provide you with proof of shipping.
    Also, people that are surfing on internet to buy, know english and conversin rates, so you should not bother too much about the language.
    Hope this helps
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6039532].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Tadresources
    I would think you would open up your customer base but you have to decide whether it's worth the time and effort.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6039584].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    Shipping worldwide will increase the amount of orders that you get... but shipping costs can get pricey depending on your shipping provider (USPS, UPS, etc), and it can dramatically eat into your profits.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6039815].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
      Originally Posted by Randall Magwood View Post

      Shipping worldwide will increase the amount of orders that you get... but shipping costs can get pricey depending on your shipping provider (USPS, UPS, etc), and it can dramatically eat into your profits.
      Here's the deal,,, if you're doing it correctly shipping is ... wait for it ... a profit center.

      Once you're up to speed on packaging your products you'll find out that ... wait for it again ... a lot of your boxes are packed with 'shipping fluff'.

      Now, what's the best way to reduce your shipping fluff (the stuff that keeps your products from rattling about the box during shipping)?

      Guess what?

      It's the same thing that brings more profit to your bottom line.

      More product.

      If you know your metrics regarding how many items of what size can fit in one of your standard boxes, and you will be using standard size boxes, you contact your customer and let them know that "they ordered two widgets, but the box allows for the shipping of three widgets, so your customer can add a third widget for basically the shipping cost of two widgets."

      You can dramatically increase your sales once you learn this trick.

      We've been doing this for years, btw, that's not a theory, it's a proven way to increase your sales.

      ~Bill
      Signature
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6040070].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Andres
    Hi QuirkieGifts,

    I'd figure I would chime in since my 9 - 5 is logistics. I actually do international shipping but on a small scale you have 3 options: UPS, Fed Ex and DHL.

    Of the 3 DHL will be the cheapest and I would suggest you open an account. They will supply you with an account number and you can login to the DHL website & process orders.

    If you are in the UK and have a UPS Store or a FedEx Store like we have here is the USA - DO NOT walk into those stores and tell them to ship your item.

    They run a franchise system and run up the cost around 30% for ground and 15% on air. Intl shipments they really run those up.

    Visit those websites, speak to a rep and ask to open an account. Explain what you do and what your expected volume will be. Then they will place discounts for all your shipping.

    1) FedEx probably has the best handling - little breakage and loss packages. Also their discounts are great
    2) UPS - is good because they deliver more small package then any carrier but they lose and damage packages all the time.
    3) DHL - real cheap

    I hope this helps you save money on your shipping. Take it from me I do this crap all day
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6039930].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Andres
    Woops....I forgot to mention your local post office. The post office will have cheaper rates but usually the tracking stinks.

    Here in the states small packages over 3 lbs - usually get expensive with the post office.

    Hope that helps.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6039941].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author mezblum
    Hi there... Im used to sell physical products before... Shipped to worldwide..

    So here my thinking of pros and cons

    Pros
    1- People outside your country will know your brand item
    2- You will have business friendship all over the world ( trust me, when you send an item, customers satisfied.. They will make bulk order, also come to your country to discuss about long term bisz.. )

    Cons
    1- Delay in time.. When you used cheap postage, there must be delay in shipping time.. Late delivery item.. When you used the expensive one, it will cut off your profit.
    2- Item broken due to long journey to other country

    Theres many more.. But those are the important you must know..

    I hope this will help you a little
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6040110].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author azmanar
    Hi K,

    Please review this shopping cart : Ecwid: E-Commerce Widgets

    You can add this shopping cart on Custom Sites, WP, FB, Joomla, Twitter and a string of others.

    So by customizing only once in ECWID panel, the same products can be seen in all of your CONTENT CHANNELS. Easy maintenance.

    Easy to use, easy to manage, quick, can hook up with almost all of the popular courier companies and EVEN CUSTOM your own postal costs.

    I can't describe everything here. Just visit their site, join for free and test it. Their paid version has awesome features.

    To reach an even wider audience for your products, you can sell on EBay and Amazon - which provides shipping options.

    As for language, I recommend to maintain them in English for Malaysia and Singapore. This way, you can focus on developing your site content. USE SIMPLE ENGLISH and MORE PICTURES, throw jargons out the window.

    Maintain 1 currency only, USD. East Asians' preferred international currency for small purchases is the US Dollar. It is a familiar one for them, so less purchase friction.

    Hope this helps, as an addendum to Rooze's awesome tips !
    Signature
    === >>> Tomorrow Should Be Better Than Today

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6041798].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author dpinero
    Latin America's and China's customs will give you a lot of trouble.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6042624].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author QuirkieGifts
    Thank you for all your comments
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6043049].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Faisal Karim
    You certainly make more sales shipping worldwide, but if you are just starting out, stick with reliable carriers and markets (US, Canada, UK). Then as you get a better understanding of the challenges involved in catering to customers worldwide start by adding other shipping zones gradually. That'll help you handle it all better. Though there are more sales, but that comes with certain risks and pitfalls in catering to customers worldwide.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6043303].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author QuirkieGifts
    thank you
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6052895].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author loi77
    I sell on eBay but I don't ship overseas because I can't control the delivery time.

    If you decide to ship to Asian countries like Malaysia (which is where I came from), I am really not sure how reliable the postal system is.

    If there is any delay, you get complaints from customers and it takes time, effort and money to track the item.

    It is just too much trouble for me.

    Dominate your country first, then think about conquering the world....... :-)
    Signature

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6052967].message }}

Trending Topics