Launching/bumping WSOs for free...

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have you noticed that several Warriors advocate getting someone to pay the $40 for putting up a WSO thread, in exchange for a share in revenues?

Personally, I think that's not very good business advice. Compared to the profits WSO make $40 dollars is nothing!

It's like saying "Hey, I'm gonna make $500 (and way above) dollars less because I'm scared to risk $40".

Either these guys are not really good at putting out WSOs, or they don't mind giving bad advice to make some money.
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  • Profile picture of the author s1ngular1ty
    I would imagine it's because they don't have much confidence in the quality of their WSO's.
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  • Profile picture of the author DianaHeuser
    Perhaps it's because when people first start out in this business they don't have the operational capital to launch a product.

    Perhaps they don't have the confidence but in some cases it may just be bootstrapping. They have to start somewhere. Don't you think?

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    • Profile picture of the author AdwordsMogul
      Originally Posted by DianaHeuser View Post


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      Perhaps they don't have the confidence but in some cases it may just be bootstrapping. They have to start somewhere. Don't you think?

      Di
      Well, true but this is basically a bad deal.

      For instance, a better option would be to offer 2-3 time return on investment.

      What I have done in the past is something like this: the first $100 dollars that comes in is yours, so you make $60 clean profit IF it succeeds.

      That way the person investing makes money, and you get to make the amount of money you truly deserve.

      I'm not saying asking for an investment is a bad thing - it's just that I find the model being suggested quite disturbing.
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      • Profile picture of the author DianaHeuser
        Originally Posted by AdwordsMogul View Post

        What I have done in the past is something like this: the first $100 dollars that comes in is yours, so you make $60 clean profit IF it succeeds.

        That way the person investing makes money, and you get to make the amount of money you truly deserve.

        I'm not saying asking for an investment is a bad thing - it's just that I find the model being suggested quite disturbing.
        There I agree with you

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      • Profile picture of the author Eduard Stinga
        Originally Posted by AdwordsMogul View Post

        What I have done in the past is something like this: the first $100 dollars that comes in is yours, so you make $60 clean profit IF it succeeds.

        That way the person investing makes money, and you get to make the amount of money you truly deserve.
        I don't think anyone would actually risk $40 into a WSO just to potentially make $60 and let the product creator get the other few hundred $ for himself.

        What really, but really amazed me was that I saw a WSO teaching people how to list WSO's for free using this technique and I was amazed to see people actually buying it
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Since a WSO has to be something YOU created, the person launching other people's WSOs could very well get banned for doing that.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ajay Tiwari
    Originally Posted by AdwordsMogul View Post

    have you noticed that several Warriors advocate getting someone to pay the $40 for putting up a WSO thread, in exchange for a share in revenues?

    Personally, I think that's not very good business advice. Compared to the profits WSO make $40 dollars is nothing!

    It's like saying "Hey, I'm gonna make $500 (and way above) dollars less because I'm scared to risk $40".

    Either these guys are not really good at putting out WSOs, or they don't mind giving bad advice to make some money.
    What will you do if you have issues with Paypal or Credit card and not able to make payment for WSO thread.. does that mean the one who is launching WSO is scared... LoL No..

    The another reason is above scenario mostly happens with those who are launching WSO first time, because as it is their first WSO, they don't have any reputation in warriorforum and want to JV with a reputed guy which can help them to increase trust of buyers and make more sales.. And most of the Reputed JV partners launch the WSO with their account if they find value in WSO.

    So it is not something like the person is scared of risking $40 but they are willing to get trust of buyers and make more sales with the help of JV.

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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Forgot to add ... I saw some idiot in the Off Topic forum the other day who let some crap scammer have his WF login to post a WSO. He was probably getting paid to let him do that. The scammer changed his password and locked him out of his own WF account and posted a WSO .. that has now been closed.

    I had to lol at the sheer stupidity. He came into the Off Topic forum crying like a baby that he was locked out of his WF account by a scammer.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ajay Tiwari
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      Forgot to add ... I saw some idiot in the Off Topic forum the other day who let some crap scammer have his WF login to post a WSO. He was probably getting paid to let him do that. The scammer changed his password and locked him out of his own WF account and posted a WSO .. that has now been closed.

      I had to lol at the sheer stupidity. He came into the Off Topic forum crying like a baby that he was locked out of his WF account by a scammer.
      LoL.. So scammers are here at WarriorForum as well.. Thanks for sharing Beware WSO launchers...
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    • Profile picture of the author Brooke Milt
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      Forgot to add ... I saw some idiot in the Off Topic forum the other day who let some crap scammer have his WF login to post a WSO. He was probably getting paid to let him do that. The scammer changed his password and locked him out of his own WF account and posted a WSO .. that has now been closed.

      I had to lol at the sheer stupidity. He came into the Off Topic forum crying like a baby that he was locked out of his WF account by a scammer.
      It always amazes me when people do these kinds of things, you have a password on your account for a reason. Why share it?
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    • Profile picture of the author blillard
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      Forgot to add ... I saw some idiot in the Off Topic forum the other day who let some crap scammer have his WF login to post a WSO. He was probably getting paid to let him do that. The scammer changed his password and locked him out of his own WF account and posted a WSO .. that has now been closed.

      I had to lol at the sheer stupidity. He came into the Off Topic forum crying like a baby that he was locked out of his WF account by a scammer.
      lol lol lol lol damn it!
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  • Profile picture of the author louie6925
    I think its a joke for a couple of reasons:-
    1.) Most wso's are about how to make money right? so if they know how to make money already as they state in their wso thread, then surely they already have $40 to register a wso!!!!!!
    2.) Yeah I agree with the above post that reputation may play a part in this, but if you were truley releasing a product as a wso you were really proud of, then why the hell let anoither person take credit for it!! reputation is everything!!! obviously not as good a product after all!!!

    Call me old fashioned but I only buy off peple who are open and honest and do not need to hide behind JV's and the likes! bottom line is, if you have a good wso, get REAL, Proper reviews that people can see are real, and the sales will speak for themselves
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    • Profile picture of the author cashcow
      Originally Posted by louie6925 View Post

      I think its a joke for a couple of reasons:-
      1.) Most wso's are about how to make money right? so if they know how to make money already as they state in their wso thread, then surely they already have $40 to register a wso!!!!!!
      Good point.
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    • Profile picture of the author salegurus
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      Since a WSO has to be something YOU created, the person launching other people's WSOs could very well get banned for doing that.
      Only if they get caught, which takes an alert warrior to expose the fraud.

      Originally Posted by louie6925 View Post

      I think its a joke for a couple of reasons:-
      1.) Most wso's are about how to make money right? so if they know how to make money already as they state in their wso thread, then surely they already have $40 to register a wso!!!!!!
      I'm sure that there are people posting WSO's that have never made a dime online...

      Originally Posted by louie6925 View Post

      I think its a joke for a couple of reasons:-
      2.) Yeah I agree with the above post that reputation may play a part in this, but if you were truley releasing a product as a wso you were really proud of, then why the hell let anoither person take credit for it!! reputation is everything!!! obviously not as good a product after all!!!
      Agree, but believe it or not there are people who join for the sole reason of creating a WSO. They don't have the time or inclination to buid a reputation or contribute to the Forum...
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  • Profile picture of the author Robbie B
    Not heard of that before and I don't agree with it. WSO is about presenting your offer. Any business has an investment attached to it and for 40 bucks, it's cheap. If I'm strapped I'd rather wait and put the money away until I have enough. Might just be me as I like to think I'm independent. Don't like owing anyone. Apart from the bank. LOL
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    • Profile picture of the author VanessaB
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      Since a WSO has to be something YOU created, the person launching other people's WSOs could very well get banned for doing that.
      Or 'had created for you,' or is from a JV you are engaging in. Bringing funding to a product could be considered a JV.

      Originally Posted by louie6925 View Post

      I think its a joke for a couple of reasons:-
      1.) Most wso's are about how to make money right? so if they know how to make money already as they state in their wso thread, then surely they already have $40 to register a wso!!!!!!
      2.) Yeah I agree with the above post that reputation may play a part in this, but if you were truley releasing a product as a wso you were really proud of, then why the hell let anoither person take credit for it!! reputation is everything!!! obviously not as good a product after all!!!

      Call me old fashioned but I only buy off peple who are open and honest and do not need to hide behind JV's and the likes! bottom line is, if you have a good wso, get REAL, Proper reviews that people can see are real, and the sales will speak for themselves
      "Most" are about 'making money'? Maybe. BUT... you also have services such as writing, graphics offers, software, tutorials...

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      • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
        I don't understand why it is anyone's business other than the parties involved. No one is saying that YOU have to do the same. Those people obviously have their reasons and how they run their business is up to them.
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        • Profile picture of the author AdwordsMogul
          Originally Posted by Ajay Tiwari View Post


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          The another reason is above scenario mostly happens with those who are launching WSO first time, because as it is their first WSO, they don't have any reputation in warriorforum ...

          So it is not something like the person is scared of risking $40 but they are willing to get trust of buyers and make more sales with the help of JV.

          Ajay
          Ajay, that's not what I'm talking about - besides my first WSO brought in over $4000 in sales, and I was relatively new.

          Many Warriors have made much more than that with their first WSOs without any JVs - it's about understanding how to create and present value.

          Originally Posted by Tina Golden View Post

          I don't understand why it is anyone's business other than the parties involved. No one is saying that YOU have to do the same. Those people obviously have their reasons and how they run their business is up to them.
          Well, it's a business forum and one of the things we do is discuss business models. So different people present different views and then we all learn something new.
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  • Profile picture of the author Caleb Spilchen
    Originally Posted by AdwordsMogul View Post

    have you noticed that several Warriors advocate getting someone to pay the $40 for putting up a WSO thread, in exchange for a share in revenues?

    Personally, I think that's not very good business advice. Compared to the profits WSO make $40 dollars is nothing!

    It's like saying "Hey, I'm gonna make $500 (and way above) dollars less because I'm scared to risk $40".

    Either these guys are not really good at putting out WSOs, or they don't mind giving bad advice to make some money.
    Remember that, not all WSO's make any money... And not all WSO's make $500, or even $100.

    Just a thought...
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      the person launching other people's WSOs could very well get banned for doing that.
      The "creator" is a "partner" thus the explanation goes. Unless there is a problem with the offer - it's apparently ok to do that.

      Some pay the fee of a new member for a share of profits - some allow their own forum name to be used to launch someone else's product and call it "partnership".

      It seems to be allowed - but I'd prefer to have disclosure required of all sellers involved in a WSO.

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      • Profile picture of the author salegurus
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        The "creator" is a "partner" thus the explanation goes. Unless there is a problem with the offer - it's apparently ok to do that.

        Some pay the fee of a new member for a share of profits - some allow their own forum name to be used to launch someone else's product and call it "partnership".

        It seems to be allowed - but I'd prefer to have disclosure required of all sellers involved in a WSO.

        kay
        I don't have a problem with 'investing' by paying the fee for the 'creator'.

        I do however have a problem if the 'investor' launches the WSO as his own for the creator. Either because the creator does not have the funds (Especially if the WSO is about making money) or because the creator does not have enough "reputation".

        The WSO forum is murky enough as it is, i don't think we need more obfuscation...
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  • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
    Everyone starts in a different space. You're talking about a JV or partnership, which is well within the boundaries of the rules here. In a partnership one person brings something to the table the other doesn't have. It's an excellent way for some people to get a foothold in the marketplace.

    I learned about business hustling real estate, flipping houses. I started with nothing other than the knowledge I took away from a $5000 4-day real estate seminar.

    At the seminar they talked about the elephant and mouse strategy. The mouse goes out and finds deals and brings them to the elephant or money guy to fund and harvest the profit. They divide the profit. For my first two deals I was the mouse. After that I had enough capital and experience that I didn't need a partner and when I did decide I wanted one I was able to pretty much define my terms because I'd proved I had at least a clue as to what I was doing.

    I paid my dues by starting with partners, the very thing you're talking about. That may not appeal to you because you don't need to do it. But there are others who would benefit a lot from such an arrangement. To each his or her own.
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    • Profile picture of the author AdwordsMogul
      Originally Posted by travlinguy View Post

      .... The mouse goes out and finds deals and brings them to the elephant or money guy to fund and harvest the profit. ....
      Agreed, but $40 bucks? Hey, believe me, I've been there (ever slept on newspapers at a train station?) the point is you need to be smart if you're running a business.

      I actually bought a WSO, in which the guys said "I usually get someone to pay for the thread so I don't risk the $40, you may want to do that too". (paraphrasing).

      Now, two thoughts came to my mind;

      1) This guy obviously doesn't consistently launch WSOs that are successful (even though he is teaching people how to do so)

      2) Maybe he bought the WSO from the guy who actually thought of this "strategy" and decided "Oh, I could rehash this..."
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      • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
        Originally Posted by AdwordsMogul View Post

        Agreed, but $40 bucks?
        Most people today are almost obscenely risk-averse.

        I have literally had people tell me they would not promote my latest offer to their list because, even though they loved it and thought it was a great product, they were not sure their list would like it.

        Seriously. This is not even $40. This is an email to a list. A list they already have. It's free.

        No, not even that - they've already paid for it, and if they don't email those people offers, they're going to lose money.

        And yes, I know some people are worried about "wearing out" their lists. But in some cases, I'm on those lists... and I've seen no emails for weeks.

        There's no downside here. You've seen the product, you know it's good, and you even already applied for the affiliate link. You've got time and money invested in this process already, and if you don't write an email and click "send" you've just plain wasted it.

        But that is a foregone conclusion. What's done is done. And who knows what terrible thing might happen if you email your list! Why, people may unsubscribe! How awful! Then you'd not have as many people not getting the emails you don't send!

        Idiots.
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  • Profile picture of the author ultimates
    I agree. Sellers selling bad advice and scared to know if it will work or not. Especially if they are selling a info product teaching how to make money online and they are scared about losing a measly $40 investment.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ashley Gable
    It seems strange to me. But I can see why someone might do it. Graphic artists who might be low on cash and thinking a WSO might be a place to sell their services, could very well see the benefit in having someone front the $40 cost. Takes away the upfront risk, but on the other hand, if it does sell well, a long term profit sharing deal wouldnt be too much fun.

    I can also see the appeal of having a trusted Warrior post up a WSO for an otherwise "unheard of" seller. But I am in agreeance with Kay, I would prefer all the "sellers" to be disclosed in the WSO thread.
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  • Profile picture of the author AmandaT
    I've invested money to help PLR sellers launch their first WSOs before. Personally I wouldn't want to share half my profits just because you will lose out on so much if it is a hit, but sometimes you just need that extra push. I always tell the sellers I invest with to save the first $40 of that profit for their next WSO so they don't have to worry about sharing profits later.

    Also, the rules say you have to have created the product or have exclusive rights to sell it, meaning you can sell it if you paid someone to write it. I suppose by those rules that these "partnerships" are okay when posted under the investors name provided the creator isn't also selling the product. Personally I think a partnership should include some actual collaboration, but that is just my opinion.
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  • Profile picture of the author WillR
    My understanding of the rules was that a WSO JV partnership had to include more than just a financial arrangement like paying the fees for a WSO. I always thought all the partners had to have been involved in the actual creation of the product.

    Maybe they have laxed the rules recently? I hope not...
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by WillR View Post

      My understanding of the rules was that a WSO JV partnership had to include more than just a financial arrangement like paying the fees for a WSO. I always thought all the partners had to have been involved in the actual creation of the product.

      Maybe they have laxed the rules recently? I hope not...
      This doesn't seem like a real JV partnership to me. Seems more like renting your WF account privileges than any real partnership.

      What really, but really amazed me was that I saw a WSO teaching people how to list WSO's for free using this technique and I was amazed to see people actually buying it
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  • Profile picture of the author WebPen
    Even though a lot of WSOs will make more than $40 profit per bump, a lot of them won't.

    If the sales copy or offer isn't very good, the OP of the WSO may not make out like a bandit per bump like you say.

    But, even if they break even that's a few more IM subscribers on their list and they got their name out there a bit more
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  • Profile picture of the author Wack0
    I think it's stupid that some people don't want to pay the $40 fee to create a WSO topic.
    After all, as is always said in business: 'no risk, no reward'.
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