How To Make Money Online? :(

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I've been listbuilding for over 3 months now with PPC and Banner Ads, got like 2k+ leads in the IM and Weigh Loss niche. I make them optin then direct link to the clickbank offer. And I send 1 offer every week for a year. Haven't made a sale, that SUX!!!

I mean, I spent hours gathering those leads and lots of $$$ on that advertising. Is that supposed to work at all..? (I will keep at it for some months to see if it works...)


I recently started something different. I bought my membership with TrafficGeyser and recently got approved with MaxBounty (CPA Network). I promote offers through a CamTasia video showing how to complete them and review them then send the video to TrafficGeyser that mass uploads it.

It's only been 2 days since i've done that, it's still scheduled to be uploaded (the videos).

Will this work well? Would I have to do some promotion for the videos or it will come naturally? Should I use traffic geyser to get more leads to my squeeze pages?

Thank you!
john
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  • Profile picture of the author AdwordsMogul
    The problem is that you haven't built trust and a good relationship with your list. Until people who sign up don't feel a PERSONAL connection to you, you will struggle to make money online for a long, long, long time.
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    • Profile picture of the author Des Lau
      Originally Posted by AdwordsMogul View Post

      The problem is that you haven't built trust and a good relationship with your list. Until people who sign up don't feel a PERSONAL connection to you, you will struggle to make money online for a long, long, long time.
      Exactly.

      You are hard selling straight up, I wouldn't buy if I subscribed to your list and knew nothing about you.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Makai
      Originally Posted by AdwordsMogul View Post

      The problem is that you haven't built trust and a good relationship with your list. Until people who sign up don't feel a PERSONAL connection to you, you will struggle to make money online for a long, long, long time.
      Well, i'm not english native. I wouldn't be able to build any reputation with baddie formulated sentences...

      I've heard that a lot of people earn a lot of $$$ direct linking afting opting-in a squeeze page tho and they have no reputation nor trust!

      Should I create my own product to get buyers leads from affiliates instead?
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      • Profile picture of the author AdwordsMogul
        Originally Posted by John Makai View Post

        Well, i'm not english native. I wouldn't be able to build any reputation with baddie formulated sentences...

        I've heard that a lot of people earn a lot of $$$ direct linking afting opting-in a squeeze page tho and they have no reputation nor trust!

        Should I create my own product to get buyers leads from affiliates instead?
        You can. I'm not an English native either - English is my second language.

        The thing is, if you really know your stuff in your target markets, language is not that important as long as you are genuine and convey your personality, plus give great information.

        You know enough English to write these posts - so you know enough to communicate with your list.

        I strongly suggest you use video.

        There is nothing stopping you from improving your grammar. There are many Warriors who are making money from their lists without speaking perfect English.
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      • Profile picture of the author Yadira Barbosa
        Originally Posted by John Makai View Post

        Well, i'm not english native. I wouldn't be able to build any reputation with baddie formulated sentences...

        I've heard that a lot of people earn a lot of $$$ direct linking afting opting-in a squeeze page tho and they have no reputation nor trust!

        Should I create my own product to get buyers leads from affiliates instead?
        I'm not an English native either, but use some tools to check spelling and grammar, that's not perfect but helps, I use white smoke by the way.

        Try to send them good content before try to sell them anything, you can send them videos or free resources to gain confidence and authority.
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      • Profile picture of the author CS
        Originally Posted by John Makai View Post

        Well, i'm not english native. I wouldn't be able to build any reputation with baddie formulated sentences...

        I've heard that a lot of people earn a lot of $$$ direct linking afting opting-in a squeeze page tho and they have no reputation nor trust!

        Should I create my own product to get buyers leads from affiliates instead?
        You can buy PLR which the topics are relate to your market, provide them with the info they want to read, before pushing for sell..
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  • Profile picture of the author Griffin Smith
    Originally Posted by John Makai View Post

    I've been listbuilding for over 3 months now with PPC and Banner Ads, got like 2k+ leads in the IM and Weigh Loss niche. I make them optin then direct link to the clickbank offer. And I send 1 offer every week for a year. Haven't made a sale, that SUX!!!

    I mean, I spent hours gathering those leads and lots of $$$ on that advertising. Is that supposed to work at all..? (I will keep at it for some months to see if it works...)


    I recently started something different. I bought my membership with TrafficGeyser and recently got approved with MaxBounty (CPA Network). I promote offers through a CamTasia video showing how to complete them and review them then send the video to TrafficGeyser that mass uploads it.

    It's only been 2 days since i've done that, it's still scheduled to be uploaded (the videos).

    Will this work well? Would I have to do some promotion for the videos or it will come naturally? Should I use traffic geyser to get more leads to my squeeze pages?

    Thank you!
    john
    Hi John

    If you haven't made a sale in a year with your current method of marketing, it may be time to shake things up a bit.

    • Take a look at your copy, is it connecting with your target market?
    • Are you providing value to your list?
    • Is that click bank offer effective with other affiliates?
    Test, test, test

    If something isn't working

    Change it.
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    • Profile picture of the author cashp0wer
      I agree if it's been one year or longer you definitely need to make some changes. You need to figure out what isn't working and then fix it. This business is just like this. Test things out, and then if that doesn't work, try something else until you find something that does.
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      • Profile picture of the author tantivy
        Originally Posted by cashp0wer View Post

        ... You need to figure out what isn't working and then fix it. This business is just like this. Test things out, and then if that doesn't work, try something else until you find something that does.
        I think this is one of the lessons we should keep in mind as IMers. This may be time consuming and takes a lot of time to see what works, but once you get it right you're going somewhere.
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    Originally Posted by John Makai View Post

    I've been listbuilding for over 3 months now with PPC and Banner Ads, got like 2k+ leads in the IM and Weigh Loss niche. I make them optin then direct link to the clickbank offer. And I send 1 offer every week for a year. Haven't made a sale, that SUX!!!

    I mean, I spent hours gathering those leads and lots of $$$ on that advertising. Is that supposed to work at all..? (I will keep at it for some months to see if it works...)


    I recently started something different. I bought my membership with TrafficGeyser and recently got approved with MaxBounty (CPA Network). I promote offers through a CamTasia video showing how to complete them and review them then send the video to TrafficGeyser that mass uploads it.

    It's only been 2 days since i've done that, it's still scheduled to be uploaded (the videos).

    Will this work well? Would I have to do some promotion for the videos or it will come naturally? Should I use traffic geyser to get more leads to my squeeze pages?

    Thank you!
    john
    Hey John,

    Great job first off for building a list! thats the most important part. Just like all the posters above said, you need to build a relastionship with your list first, give GREAT content. As for the english no worries, I have a similar situation although its not language it's the same idea. I entered a niche I had no idea about and they accepted me as one of their own, not only that but now they actually buy my products!.

    So keep building that list and nurture it, be sincere and build a relationship. Don't look to make money upfront you'll make it on the backend.

    Hope that helps, any questions please feel free to ask.
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  • Profile picture of the author Trevor M
    Building a relationship with your list is the secret to creating a profitable list.

    Are you sending them helpful information as well as the offers?

    No one is going to buy from you if the only time they ever hear from you you're throwing offers at them.

    On another note... If you've purchased Traffic Geyser and looking to make a bit of money online, there are a few people absolutely killing it on Fiverr offering to upload their video using Traffic Geyser.

    They always have a queue of orders... You may want to look into that

    Good luck!

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  • Profile picture of the author celente
    Test stuff and tweak stuff.

    YOu will find online, and even offline, something works very well...other things work horribly.

    as john reese once said and I quote. "It is really just about doing more things that are working and doing less things that are not working." The KISS principle applies, yet again.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rick Britton
    it is hard

    I am on loads of lists and very rarely buy anything

    in fact I rarely even open the e-mails anymore
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  • Profile picture of the author jimp1173
    Hey bro the way you build trust with your list is to give them something of value. I just found this site and it gives you PLR free every month that might just match what your subscribers are looking for. Give them free helpful information and they will start to trust your not just trying to sell them and you actually wanna help them. Go to http://resell-rights-weekly.com and get a free account and start giving some value to your list and not selling for now and you will see some changes after a while.

    Hope this helps.
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  • Profile picture of the author Hunk
    Everybody is saying "build a relationship with your list" but that doesn't have to be a personal or empathetic relationship, so you don't need to be fluent in 'colloquial' language and strong grammar can be learned online in a couple of weeks.

    Does you PPC campaign link to a page that offers some free gift for signing up to the newsletter? I am speaking from the perspective of somebody who is on mailing lists and does read the newsletters I receive (I have no list, sadly), so I'm no expert - but I think if you're getting people to sign up to your list naturally you will have more luck. By that I mean offering some unique value on your homepage but limiting it so that people have to sign up to your newsletter to receive more of the valuable info you're giving out. That way you won't get everybody signing up with throwaway emails simply to get your free gift offer.

    Once you have a list you can send them valuable information with affiliate links subtly worked in, but it is important to get your list used to the idea that you have worthwhile info in your emails, otherwise they won't open them. Find some really good weight loss guides related to your niche (perhaps at the library) and then reword and simplify into bullet points for your homepage. If they're impressive enough you will get some signups wanting to know more. That's the only way I've ever used a real email address to sign to a list, and then open the emails I get sent.
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  • Profile picture of the author Adan Guzman
    First of all you just can't market to random people, its is not that easy, you need to build long lasting relationships and also you need to provide value to your subscribers that will be the only way you will have a successful business.

    Kindest,

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  • Profile picture of the author Rick Britton
    Here's a thing:

    Yesterday, I signed up for a "free" WSO from a very successful Warrior who promises to show how to start making money.

    I was thinking great! Finally, someone is gonna help me. Awesome.

    Today I get an e-mail from the guy with a link to another WSO which I am not gonna buy.

    Unsubscribed

    And that is what you did and that is why no one bought anything in a year. They reacted the same way I did " who the beep are you? Trying to mug me off?"

    Amazed most of them haven't unsubscribed
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    • Profile picture of the author AdwordsMogul
      Originally Posted by Rick Britton View Post


      ...
      Yesterday, I signed up for a "free" WSO from a very successful Warrior who promises to show how to start making money.

      I was thinking great! Finally, someone is gonna help me. Awesome.

      ...
      I'm thinking "Someone needs to get real, take responsibility, and start investing in him/herself."
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      • Profile picture of the author pattifoster
        Making online is quiet easy and least expensive. Some of the ways are Articles marketing, RSS and Pinging Your Blogs, Post Articles on Your Blog, Tag Your Posts Using Relevant Keywords.
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      • Profile picture of the author Rick Britton
        Originally Posted by AdwordsMogul View Post

        I'm thinking "Someone needs to get real, take responsibility, and start investing in him/herself."
        yeah, I didn't want to say exactly what was promised because it would give away who the warrior was and I didn't want to do that but I can tell you that sending out a promotion the very next day was the complete opposite of what I had read in his stuff the day before
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  • Profile picture of the author owenlee
    One tip to build trust and relationship is to provide them valuable information and tips...from there on, slowly recommend some of the products that you have used before and find it useful...
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  • Profile picture of the author mezblum
    I remembered A Guru said.. When you have a list you have to spoil em like a child. Give em' 3 informations and 1 soft sell if you want to promote a product..

    They will trust you and give you money..

    Now that Guru died because of heart attack his bank account flood with money
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      Originally Posted by mezblum View Post

      I remembered A Guru said.. When you have a list you have to spoil em like a child. Give em' 3 informations and 1 soft sell if you want to promote a product..

      They will trust you and give you money..

      Now that Guru died because of heart attack his bank account flood with money
      funny............................................. ..........
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  • Profile picture of the author WebPen
    You've been sending offers for a year and never made ONE sale?

    Are people even opening your emails? If not, subject lines and rebuilding trust can be a good place to start.
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    The IM and weight loss niche are competitive. You can expect around a 1% - 2% conversion rate from your list if your email content is good, and the product that you are selling is good. I also think you should be emailing your leads more often... maybe about every 3 days.
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  • Profile picture of the author veheme
    You have to understand that the list you hold is a list of real, human people. They want to know you and how you roll. You can't expect them to buy anything you say by simply being advertised to a product. Talk with them, teach them, training them and make them feel that you are on their side.
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    • Profile picture of the author yoedi
      Originally Posted by AdwordsMogul View Post

      The problem is that you haven't built trust and a good relationship with your list. Until people who sign up don't feel a PERSONAL connection to you, you will struggle to make money online for a long, long, long time.
      Originally Posted by Des Lau View Post

      Exactly.

      You are hard selling straight up, I wouldn't buy if I subscribed to your list and knew nothing about you.
      Agree with you all!
      Keep on your mind! If someone you knew nothing about him come to you and offers you something to buy. I am sure you will consider it and do not rush to buy.

      So, you should build trust firstly!
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  • Profile picture of the author Dunhill
    Wonder how many unsubscriber you get each time you send out affiliate link mails with building relationship.
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    • Profile picture of the author IGP
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      NO DUDE your doing it all wrong. Buy the software Whitesmoke if your scared about your writing. Never just send offers, i hate that. Why would someone buy something from someone who has done nothing to even say hi to their client. You are the perfect example of what not to do in IM. What courses have you taken that tell you to do this.

      Who have you studied?
      What is your background?
      and why do you think someone would just buy? would you? (obviously...)
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  • Profile picture of the author sfx1971
    The money is not in the list - the money is in the relationship and the trust that you build with your list.
    Stop trying to sell at every opportunity; instead, start giving away free stuff, post good content on your blog and direct your subscribers over to it.
    Aim to develop a following and once you've done that the money will come to you
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  • Profile picture of the author Chri5123
    Originally Posted by John Makai View Post

    I've been listbuilding for over 3 months now with PPC and Banner Ads, got like 2k+ leads in the IM and Weigh Loss niche. I make them optin then direct link to the clickbank offer. And I send 1 offer every week for a year. Haven't made a sale, that SUX!!!

    I mean, I spent hours gathering those leads and lots of $$$ on that advertising. Is that supposed to work at all..? (I will keep at it for some months to see if it works...)


    I recently started something different. I bought my membership with TrafficGeyser and recently got approved with MaxBounty (CPA Network). I promote offers through a CamTasia video showing how to complete them and review them then send the video to TrafficGeyser that mass uploads it.

    It's only been 2 days since i've done that, it's still scheduled to be uploaded (the videos).

    Will this work well? Would I have to do some promotion for the videos or it will come naturally? Should I use traffic geyser to get more leads to my squeeze pages?

    Thank you!
    john
    Hi John,

    Congratulations for taking action.

    However I can understand the confusion.

    It takes A LOT more than just building a list.

    Simply getting some names and emails and sending them a new offer every week will not work that well as you have found.

    Treat others how you would like to be treated!

    Would you have purchased the offer you sent to them?

    KEY: Offer REAL value to your list for FREE.

    Build trust and PROVE that you know what you are talking about.

    THEN send them a relevant offer (not every week) that really will offer then value.

    Actually try the product yourself if you are an affiliate and only promote value to your list.

    Give it a go and let me know the results you get from this?

    Chris
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  • Profile picture of the author gautegr
    Think outside the box! go for something you really think would be a success. Look for things in other countries that have been a success there.
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  • Profile picture of the author mtbux
    If you have website, You can make money from banner advertising or from text links. If you don't have website then you can try PTC
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  • Profile picture of the author Tevis Verrett
    OP, my strong suggestion is to stop and back away from what you have been doing.

    Secondly, find a mentor to get fresh eyes on what you have accomplished, versus what you have epically failed at over the past year.

    There are many, many mentors here on WF that you could contract with.

    I truly hope this helps, there is no reason to keep bumping your head against the same wall and expecting a different outcome. . .it only leaves the wall bloody!

    My .03,

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  • Profile picture of the author niceguy36
    Hey John Makai!

    Maybe we can help each other. You need to build a relation to your list, and I can definitely help you on that task. I can write you some nice emails with great advice, so that you can build trust and a relationship. Also, I can recommend you the best affiliate products in this niche to promote.

    I'll do that for you, without wanting a penny. However, I'll launch my biggest IM project in about 2 months, and I'm searching for as many promotional ways to kickstart this as it launches.

    So, I'll help you to build trust, make sales etc. and in exchange for that, you recommend my website later to your list.

    If you are interested, pm me or drop me a message in my profile (sadly, I still can't pm, 8 posts left >.<)

    best regards,
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  • Profile picture of the author Onora Oz
    Hey John,

    That lazy marketer approach does NOT work anymore I know that there are IM "gurus" who still teach this, but I believe that some of them are teaching the wrong on purpose.

    What exactly are you sending to your prospects? Probably, some premade affiliate mailing texts, right? It's bait content. But your subscribers want the real meat. Feed them with carefully crafted content. If you don't have time for the research, buy some "good" PLR, use it as a base and rewrite. If you can't write, outsource the job.

    A little empathy goes a long way! Put yourself in the shoes of your subscribers. How would you feel and think if you discover that the only time that smart marketer seem interested in contacting you is when he/she has something to be sold?

    People are not stupid. Most of them know it when they are being marketed, especially on internet. And, unlike 10 years ago, they are ok with that. Treat them how you want to be treated!

    Cheers,
    onora

    @ niceguy36: Hey Mike, I don't think you should be posting JV proposals here. We have a sub-forum for this -> Warrior Joint Ventures
    Or, contribute 8 more posts to the forum, then you can PM John.
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    thanks for sharing............
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  • Profile picture of the author niceguy36
    @Onora Oz

    Sorry for that! Didn't know that... I only spend my time on this forum section. :-)

    But its good to know!
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  • Profile picture of the author Mindthepap
    I believe the best advice was the one of the dead guru...!

    Now about White Smoke, there is also and a free solution...google translator, no need to buy any program!

    ps. Hello from Greece, second language English!
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  • Profile picture of the author Mindthepap
    Oh, one more thing...mr.niceguy36, the offer stands and for other members interested in that?
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  • Profile picture of the author alamest
    This 3 important steps are very important..

    1) Find profitable niche, weight loss is market it is not niche, if you dig and dig the market into super niche than go for finding good offer or free gift
    2) Than build list
    3) Than sell related products to the list..

    This three steps are important and specially choosing the niche, if they niche is not profitable than it will not work, go for other niche, don't just stop and give up with one niche, go for 5 niche and one will be winner, there is no guarantee that all the campaign will be success, depends on many things..

    If this business plan does not work than for go building authority sites or affiliate sites ans so on, everybody can't do everything..

    I hope this helps..
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    • Profile picture of the author cody123
      Hey John,

      Building an online business is all about building trust. That ever-so-important relationship with your list is the foundation of your success. No one likes to be sold to.

      When was the last time you bought something from a stranger who called on the phone?

      Trust removes the barrier between you and your subscribers.

      You must first provide massive value and over-deliver at every turn. Be a presence in your online business. Now more than ever, internet marketing is becoming more difficult because it's a saturated medium. Affiliate marketing has been abused and people are more cautious about signing up for anything for fear of being spammed.

      If you take the time to build trust, let people get to you the real YOU and give them lots of value, you'll build a foundation that will pay you for years to come.
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  • Profile picture of the author Amy Balti
    I would stay away from the weight loss niche, It's hard niche to make money in.
    I would test the market first before I invest heavily in marketing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nick Lawless
    Hi John,

    Great job on gaining 2000+ members in just a matter of three months! I believe that’s something that you should celebrate about. Bob Yeager once told me during my interview with him to celebrate every success that you attain be it big or small. To tell you honestly, only a few people are able to achieve 2000+ subscribers in just three months.

    Most people will tell you that the ‘money is in the list’. Which I believe is not entirely true.

    Probably one of the reasons why you weren’t able to make sale is because you didn’t build enough rapport with your subscribers. Trust is one of the biggest keys to Internet Marketing success. Aside from that, you might have been sending them sales letters and fail to talk about yourself a bit more.

    I think the best way to establish trust is to create engagements first. Try sending an email to your subscribers that is not about your product and more about yourself. Try to ask them questions that they might need some answer to. Once you build trust, you create relationships. By asking them questions on your newsletter, it’s a way of giving them value which makes them feel good because it shows that their not just a mere source of cash for you. Bob told me to focus on the seven levels of giving first before having one level of asking for in return. And it really works for me!

    If you want to know more about what I’ve learned from Bob Yeager, feel free to send me a message.

    Just my thoughts,

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