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Prior to running my WSO, I had about $21,000 and some odd change sitting in my paypal account. The money came from affiliate networks. They were deposited by affiliate networks.

My WSO brought in about $2000 pure profit not including payments to affiliates.

This morning, I wake up and see that I have a PM from a buyer. He says he was unable to purchase my product.

I check my email and sure enough I had received an email from Paypal saying my account had been limited. I called them on the phone, was told I would have to send in required documents. I faxed over all required documents.

I've had no disputes on my accounts ever. I've always refunded any customer that may have asked for it, even though that number was low, mostly serial refunders. Buy then 2 minutes later ask for a refund.

Basically paypal can screw you to any person. Selling online is deemed High Risk, even though I have ample money to cover their so called bogus excuse of, "We can get chargebacks for up to 6 months and we are trying to protect you."

I even offered to voluntarily let them hold $5k from my affiliate commissions that were inside my account for potential chargebacks, mind you I have none, and I pointed out I process refunds to everyone who request.

I was told that my money will be held for up to 180 days, but there is a chance that I can get it back within 45 days.

I will have my lawyer file a subpoena tomorrow in San Jose. I see no reason why the money from WSO's sales cannot be put into an account and my affiliate payments released to me.

I have many messages from people who have increased their ROI using my product. The ones that didn't, and asked for a refund I promptly refunded them.

The only function I have in my account that I can use is the REFUND OPTION.

Because I refuse to allow paypal to make money off additional interest I have had my Virtual assistant start the process of refunding transactions to the buyers.

I will continue to support my product as I did so not to make money, "I was donating it to charity", but because I knew in my heart that it could generally help people.

I make my money via adsense and promoting affiliate products. Those who have bought, even after your refund, you can continue to message me and I will help you in any way I can.

I can say that I have been truly blessed in my IM career.

For those that were trying to get my product. I am sorry but it is no longer available. I could open a merchant account but paypal has opened my eyes to the risk a merchant has, when a buyer can ask for a refund 6 months down the road, so that is not feasible.

I'm not sure how the refund process works on affiliates in which WarriorPlus accepted payments or payments that Affiliates made and was paid directly to them, so I will not be refunding those as I don't see that as being proper.

However all payments that came directly into my account, you will start seeing them within the next few days. Please be patient as this process happens.

I had 3 pages full of positive comments in my thread, so that has to mean something. So I know many people probably don't even want their money back. They found a product that was worth buying.

I even contemplated setting up a system, and sending out an email to my buyers that says, "You've got your Money Back, however if you feel my WSO was worth it and you made money you can donate the money here".

I told the charity that I was going to raise them money, so I will pay out of my own pocket. It doesn't matter.

The ones that I couldn't help and asked for a refund, I even offered to pay for their losses. You can ask them. They never responded. I only wish they would have allowed me to work with them further as I know the system works.

Right now, I'm just still in disbelief with this crooked and corrupt system. I will eventually have my day in court with them. I look forward to it.

Not sure if I will sell any more products on this website ever again, but I appreciate all the people that I contacted, and all the people that sent me emails saying I truly helped them. That is worth more to me than any money I can ever receive online.

In closing,

To the people who bought my product, received it pirated, or whatever. You have my email. I will continue to add updates to it, because like I said, I've been successful and I feel that I have knowledge that can help others.

Sincerely,

Jason
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  • Profile picture of the author Ikon
    I got my account released with 3k in it took me a 60 days mostly finding the right people ill pm you the people to contact. Got my account back all working and my money but I dont put near as much in it before. Oh and im a valued customer now because I can get asked above surveys and got one of them fancy debit cards within a week of getting my account back..
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  • Profile picture of the author WillR
    Originally Posted by JasonGiorgini View Post

    I pointed out I process refunds to everyone who request.
    Although you may think that's a good thing it can also work against you. If someone believes in their product and is not selling crap then they aren't just going to let every refund through. They would contest them. By processing every single refund request you are sending Paypal a message that you are not very confident in the product you are selling... thus Paypal are not going to be very confident either.

    What has happened here seems to be what happens in most cases of people getting their Paypal accounts limited. You pulled in an abnormal amount of sales in a short period of time. When I say abnormal I mean compared to your average account activity. This spike is sales has set off their fraud alerts and they have then manually reviewed your account.

    In reviewing your account they have found something they did not like and have taken action to remove that risk from their network. This might be the product you were selling. Were you selling some type of make money online or coaching product? If so, there's most likely your problem.
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    • Profile picture of the author LegitIncomes
      Originally Posted by WillR View Post

      Although you may think that's a good thing it can also work against you. If someone believes in their product and is not selling crap then they aren't just going to let every refund through. They would contest them. By processing every single refund request you are sending Paypal a message that you are not very confident in the product you are selling... thus Paypal are not going to be very confident either.

      What has happened here seems to be what happens in most cases of people getting their Paypal accounts limited. You pulled in an abnormal amount of sales in a short period of time. When I say abnormal I mean compared to your average account activity. This spike is sales has set off their fraud alerts and they have then manually reviewed your account.

      In reviewing your account they have found something they did not like and have taken action to remove that risk from their network. This might be the product you were selling. Were you selling some type of make money online or coaching product? If so, there's most likely your problem.
      I understand what you are saying, that makes sense. But, since I (and many others) offer a 100% guarantee, I just immediately refund, because I stand by what I promise.

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      • Profile picture of the author jwmann2
        What are you doing with 20K just sitting in your paypal? Why not wire that to your bank account or have them cash it out for you? Not sure what you're selling but your marketing was obviously on point if you were able to pull in that kind of loot.
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    • Profile picture of the author JasonGiorgini
      Originally Posted by WillR View Post

      Although you may think that's a good thing it can also work against you. If someone believes in their product and is not selling crap then they aren't just going to let every refund through. They would contest them. By processing every single refund request you are sending Paypal a message that you are not very confident in the product you are selling... thus Paypal are not going to be very confident either.

      What has happened here seems to be what happens in most cases of people getting their Paypal accounts limited. You pulled in an abnormal amount of sales in a short period of time. When I say abnormal I mean compared to your average account activity. This spike is sales has set off their fraud alerts and they have then manually reviewed your account.

      In reviewing your account they have found something they did not like and have taken action to remove that risk from their network. This might be the product you were selling. Were you selling some type of make money online or coaching product? If so, there's most likely your problem.
      I duly note your point. However maybe you missed the line when I said I have $21,000+ sitting my paypal account before my WSO. I'm not giving people back their money because I feel my product is crap. How can it be crap when people have made money?

      How can it be crap when I make money with it?

      I was told by the paypal representative that because other users on forums like this have sold crap. They don't want my business. They said, sellers sell products to buyers, and those buyers sell products to other buyers and become sellers. When will this cycle end?

      I sold a system to increase adsense click revenue. See my product? I doubt it. Unless they bought it. Even then they would have profited or received a refund.

      Like I said, I can understand them not wanting to do business with me because I sold a product online, but how do you explain my money from affiliate networks being frozen for a couple dollars?

      What you fail to realize is that even if I process every Warrior Forum payment refund, that has no barring on the money I made as an Affiliate Marketer. I could care less what signal it sends to Paypal.

      My money was made legally and paid to me by legitimate companies.

      I've also stated that I stand behind my product and will continue to offer support for it, so I'm not quite understanding what you are saying.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ikon
    As will says forgot to add to my pm but I to agree that dont work with refund everyone for the sake of it as it could be seen that way.

    I also learned to diversify after paypal doing it to me, you should easily be able to use another merchant service. Quite a few people are mentioning using clickbank for your wso sales.

    I think paypal is just so easy but if its a quality higher value product that wont stop people. Also got things like 2checkout advantgate and others that take paypal for you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ikon
    I dont think will meant it in a bad way not the way I read it or how he intended it. He wasnt referring to you refunding people as and when they ask. He was referring to you having you VA refund everyone now.

    As far as im aware he was saying that paypal may think ah hes putting his hands up and saying yes I sold crap and to get me out of this jam Im refunding everyone. But then they think well if he does that with these payments what else is he doing wrong?

    So they then base that on concluding your just a bad person, which your not your just trying to do whats right. But that maybe there perception seeing you refunding everyone regardlessly.
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    • Profile picture of the author JasonGiorgini
      Originally Posted by MillionaireMart View Post

      I dont think will meant it in a bad way not the way I read it or how he intended it. He wasnt referring to you refunding people as and when they ask. He was referring to you having you VA refund everyone now.

      As far as im aware he was saying that paypal may think ah hes putting his hands up and saying yes I sold crap and to get me out of this jam Im refunding everyone. But then they think well if he does that with these payments what else is he doing wrong?

      So they then base that on concluding your just a bad person, which your not your just trying to do whats right. But that maybe there perception seeing you refunding everyone regardlessly.
      My thing is Paypal can think whatever they want about me. I don't have to sleep with paypal. If WSO money was the only thing in my account, I could understand this.

      What they think about me is of no concern. Is it right that they can just hold my affiliate commissions? Despite what they think of me, I can have affiliate managers, their accounting department all fly into court and say, "Yes these deposits were made by our company".

      So what they don't want to do business with me. I can put my money elsewhere that is fine. I just want my money back to put it elsewhere. Capiche?
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      • Profile picture of the author WillR
        Originally Posted by JasonGiorgini View Post

        My thing is Paypal can think whatever they want about me. I don't have to sleep with paypal. If WSO money was the only thing in my account, I could understand this.

        What they think about me is of no concern. Is it right that they can just hold my affiliate commissions? Despite what they think of me, I can have affiliate managers, their accounting department all fly into court and say, "Yes these deposits were made by our company".

        So what they don't want to do business with me. I can put my money elsewhere that is fine. I just want my money back to put it elsewhere. Capiche?
        Actually, you are the one failing to understand the simple facts here.

        Paypal does not care where your money has come from. Whether it be from affiliate networks, WSO's, whatever. They could not give two hoots. All they care about is whether you are a risk to their business. If they think you are then they will freeze your account and any money inside it... and you have given them every right to do this when you originally signed up and agreed to their user agreement.

        When you are breaking their user agreement do you really expect them to go through all your funds and separate things in to different piles based on where that money came from?? You can't be serious, right?

        Let me ask you this simple question.

        If you were running a bank and you found one of your customers were conducting a business activity that you did not like and was against your terms, would you not freeze all their funds immediately? You are telling me you would let them take out some of the money just not the money made through the questionable activity? If so, please open a bank and let us all know.

        What you are saying is crazy and not how normal business works. The fact is you DO have to play Paypal's game if you want your money, and if you don't want to play their games then there is not much to complain about.
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        • Profile picture of the author JasonGiorgini
          Originally Posted by WillR View Post

          Actually, you are the one failing to understand the simple facts here.

          Paypal does not care where your money has come from. Whether it be from affiliate networks, WSO's, whatever. They could not give two hoots. All they care about is whether you are a risk to their business. If they think you are then they will freeze your account and any money inside it... and you have given them every right to do this when you originally signed up and agreed to their user agreement.

          When you are breaking their user agreement do you really expect them to go through all your funds and separate things in to different piles based on where that money came from?? You can't be serious, right?
          Originally Posted by WillR View Post


          What has happened here seems to be what happens in most cases of people getting their Paypal accounts limited. You pulled in an abnormal amount of sales in a short period of time. When I say abnormal I mean compared to your average account activity. This spike is sales has set off their fraud alerts and they have then manually reviewed your account.
          Once again your point is duly noted, however for they are based on wild assumptions that you know nothing about. You're saying that I fail to understand yet you know nothing about me, my paypal account, how much money I've received in it at any given time. I can assure you that $2k received into my paypal account is not the most money I've ever received in a short period of time. I've sold products before. I had over $21k inside my account.

          You said, I am breaking the user agreement. Once again, I know there are people that will say whatever to be right over the internet so I won't respond to you again, however I broke no TOS rule of paypal. I was told this, but then again, you wouldn't know that as you weren't on the phone.

          Thank you for taking the time out to post on this thread however.

          Jason
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  • Profile picture of the author Premier Plugins
    Starting to sound to me like Paypal really has it's sights set on the WSO forum. Sorry for all you are going through Jason. You seem level headed throughout your responses here, which is rather commendable. I hope you can get this resolved sooner rather than later. Best of luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author JD Ways
    Sorry to hear of your situation Jason!! I'm also thinking of using other payment options because I have heard so negative stories about paypal?
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    • Profile picture of the author cashp0wer
      I am so sorry you are going through this with PayPal Jason. I have heard so many horror stories about them lately I am getting kind of paranoid to use them even though I've never had a problem. I never leave money sitting in there however. It immediately goes to my checking account when it hits.
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      • Profile picture of the author cashtree
        Originally Posted by cashp0wer View Post

        I am so sorry you are going through this with PayPal Jason. I have heard so many horror stories about them lately I am getting kind of paranoid to use them even though I've never had a problem. I never leave money sitting in there however. It immediately goes to my checking account when it hits.
        Paypal can automatically withdraw from your checking account though, so you'd have to transfer then transfer to another. I think they limit if you withdraw too much too...i'm definitely no fan of paypal.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mav91890
    Yeah, when i start up my membership site I wont be using something like paypal. I think I'll look into CornerStone. I may get less sales but it's much better than dealing with paypal's ****.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jonathan Joseph
    Interesting story Jason, thanks for the heads up - although it's pretty unfortunate, I'm sure you'll get your money back soon.
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    • Profile picture of the author imnewbie32
      That a crazy situation your in jason..I hope everything works out for you.. But as far the product??? Put it this way.. Today I made 7.19 on a site I was making on average 2 dollars a day... The product works!! Jason stands behind it and if it ever becomes available again make sure to grab it!
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    The more I hear about Paypal the less I like...
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  • Profile picture of the author 100k
    Wow so you are saying "g-pal" *you know what the g stands for... is G.

    Wow, im sooooo surprised.

    Never keep your money in PP. I hate that company.
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  • Profile picture of the author msu
    I've problems with PayPal too in the past, though nothing on the scale of Jason's problem. PayPal is absolutely the most disreputable company I've ever had to deal with on the web.
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  • I also make sure I keep just a small amount in my account. I have had my account limited before with $2000 in there and it took a week to verify. I had to put my whole business of hold. It was for tax reasons and very annoying. I ended up changing my payment buttons to my partners account until it was sorted.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dann Vicker
    Don't start refunding those monies. I'm sure if you serve a subpoena you'll be able to get your money back.

    My 2 cents.
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  • Profile picture of the author David Sneen
    Join the ranks of those who do not trust PayPal. I avoid them as much as possible. They think they are the judge and jury. I will not argue--they have way too much power.
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  • Profile picture of the author A1pha
    Paypal is absolutly crazy. They've done almost the same thing to me, but I was lucky and only had about $500 in my account at the time. I got my money back after 180 days. My account was also limited for no reason. I had issued every requested refund, and had 100% feedback on over 150 sales in ebay. They won't hesitate one bit to limit an account. I now try to use them as little as possible. Get checks from your affiliate networks if you can. I found it's the best way.
    Anyways, good luck in court. Hope you get all your money back.
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  • Profile picture of the author philhunter
    Originally Posted by JasonGiorgini View Post

    Because I refuse to allow paypal to make money off additional interest I have had my Virtual assistant start the process of refunding transactions to the buyers.
    Thats crazy, tell them to stop! Paypal wont care about the little bit of interest they would have made but you sure as hell will care about all the money you are refunding.

    You will get your money back eventually no point in refunding everyone.
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  • Profile picture of the author mosthost
    PayPal is NOT to be trusted. Always transfer as much money as possible out of PayPal as soon as you can. The internet is littered with PayPal horror stories.

    Good for you for taking legal action.
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  • Profile picture of the author GodMode52
    Sorry to hear that man, but why the hell did you keep all this money on your account? This is a bit strange , I can only immagine that you had a massive amount of refunds request, otherwise I would take hard legal action against them.
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    • Profile picture of the author JasonGiorgini
      Originally Posted by GodMode52 View Post

      Sorry to hear that man, but why the hell did you keep all this money on your account? This is a bit strange , I can only immagine that you had a massive amount of refunds request, otherwise I would take hard legal action against them.
      Am I not allowed to keep money in a paypal account that I have had larger balances on for years?

      Massive amount of refund requests? 5 years with paypal. No dispute ever reported on my account.

      Over 200 sales. 3 refund requests processed.

      If 3 is massive then I guess so.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bruce NewMedia
    Some of the posters here are recommending taking out all 'new money' that hits your PayPal account...that's actually not wise, particularly if the amount(s) are substantial.

    For instance, if you were averaging $500 a week in deposits and then do $5000 in a few days, attempting to then remove all of it could cause a limiting of your account.

    They are expecting you will leave a portion in to allow for refunds, as i understand it.
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    • Profile picture of the author JasonGiorgini
      Originally Posted by Bruce NewMedia View Post

      Some of the posters here are recommending taking out all 'new money' that hits your PayPal account...that's actually not wise, particularly if the amount(s) are substantial.

      For instance, if you were averaging $500 a week in deposits and then do $5000 in a few days, attempting to then remove all of it could cause a limiting of your account.

      They are expecting you will leave a portion in to allow for refunds, as i understand it.
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      Exactly Bruce.

      This is not a wise thing, I don't even remember the last time I withdraw money to my bank account from paypal. I do make a lot of payments as I run a substantial number of adsense sites. The people I outsource too only accept paypal.

      I've used paypal for 5 years. I've heard horror stories etc, just never thought it would happen to me. That's why I said it was a 23k lesson

      I feel a lot better. My bills are paid, I'm on weekly payments with my affiliate networks, tomorrow I will be paid money again, so yes, I will be able to live. But I do also have the money to fight injustices. I can only imagine, the what ifs. What if that was my only means of income and paypal in a blink of an eye shut me down.

      I made my post not to complain, but only to share my experience of paypal.

      Today is a good today. I feel much better. Life will go on. My money will one day be returned to me.

      The paperwork has been filed against Paypal.

      I will share the outcome of the Giorgini V. PayPal, an eBay Company Civil suit.
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  • Profile picture of the author Challendge
    If this was a substantial increase in the amount of money processed in your account then they have every right to do this.

    You are saying that this is not the first time nor the biggest amount deposited in a short period of time. In that case, they're out of line.

    Good luck and get your money back plus the interest that they made
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  • Profile picture of the author steveg99
    I would think the message here is to never let your paypal balance get that high!
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  • Profile picture of the author JasonGiorgini
    A Warrior Wins









    Today my attorney received a phone call and it was from the President of Paypal. He expressed his sincere apologies and I now have a dedicated account rep if any further issues arise in my account. What was told would be 180 days until I received my money turned out being only 2. My account has been fully restored access.

    I would like to thank all the people that showed me support, and even those that talked bad about me when they had no clue of what they were talking about. Let this be a lesson Warriors, when you are right, and you know you are right, fight for your rights.
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      That is truly amazing man. Can't believe you pulled that off. My hats off to you, my friend!
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    • Profile picture of the author LegitIncomes
      Originally Posted by JasonGiorgini View Post

      A Warrior Wins




      Today my attorney received a phone call and it was from the President of Paypal. He expressed his sincere apologies and I now have a dedicated account rep if any further issues arise in my account. What was told would be 180 days until I received my money turned out being only 2. My account has been fully restored access.

      I would like to thank all the people that showed me support, and even those that talked bad about me when they had no clue of what they were talking about. Let this be a lesson Warriors, when you are right, and you know you are right, fight for your rights.
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    • Profile picture of the author WillR
      Originally Posted by JasonGiorgini View Post

      I would like to thank all the people that showed me support, and even those that talked bad about me when they had no clue of what they were talking about. Let this be a lesson Warriors, when you are right, and you know you are right, fight for your rights.
      That's great news and I don't think anyone in here would say they are annoyed you got your account access back -- that's fantastic.

      It still doesn't change the facts as to why your account was shut down in the first place though and that is what we are trying to stop from happening here. Prevention is way better than the cure and you need to realize a lot of the posts that were so called 'talking bad' about you were actually nothing more than people stating some well known facts about Paypal and how they work.

      I often get quite surprised by people who post about their situations on public forums like this and then get annoyed the moment someone disagrees with their comments. It's a public forum and that's what happens. If we all agreed with one another it would be a fairly useless place.

      I would still be very careful if you are selling the same product that got you into trouble in the first place. The worst thing you could do right now is to think you have been given some magical green light to do whatever you want. If you do another launch that has huge sales spikes you will still attract the exact same attention anyone else would. Only now you have an account manager who is keeping an even closer eye on your account and what you are doing... good thing? Meh, we'll see I guess. It DOES mean you need to make sure you follow their rules more so than ever. Do not think they will hesitate to ban you for one second if they find something that violates their terms so just keep that in mind.

      Best of luck and once again congrats.
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    • Profile picture of the author mosthost
      Originally Posted by JasonGiorgini View Post

      A Warrior Wins









      Today my attorney received a phone call and it was from the President of Paypal. He expressed his sincere apologies and I now have a dedicated account rep if any further issues arise in my account. What was told would be 180 days until I received my money turned out being only 2. My account has been fully restored access.

      I would like to thank all the people that showed me support, and even those that talked bad about me when they had no clue of what they were talking about. Let this be a lesson Warriors, when you are right, and you know you are right, fight for your rights.
      Impressive. Proof that there's no point taking crap from PayPal or anyone
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    • Profile picture of the author Mohammed Hammad2
      Originally Posted by JasonGiorgini View Post

      A Warrior Wins









      Today my attorney received a phone call and it was from the President of Paypal. He expressed his sincere apologies and I now have a dedicated account rep if any further issues arise in my account. What was told would be 180 days until I received my money turned out being only 2. My account has been fully restored access.

      I would like to thank all the people that showed me support, and even those that talked bad about me when they had no clue of what they were talking about. Let this be a lesson Warriors, when you are right, and you know you are right, fight for your rights.

      CONGRATS on getting back your PayPal account!

      I can't use PayPal myself because it is banned for Egyptians, but hey from your posts and other people telling horror stories about PayPal, I guess it is a good thing after all

      I pay using PayPal through a payment provider where I pay him using Western Union or even my credit card online then he goes and pay me for whatever I want if the seller only use PayPal.

      I use 2Checkout and Plimus to handle my transactions and they are all good to go and I am using them in the IM niche
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    • Profile picture of the author cjreynolds
      Originally Posted by JasonGiorgini View Post

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      Today my attorney received a phone call and it was from the President of Paypal. He expressed his sincere apologies and I now have a dedicated account rep if any further issues arise in my account. What was told would be 180 days until I received my money turned out being only 2. My account has been fully restored access.

      I would like to thank all the people that showed me support, and even those that talked bad about me when they had no clue of what they were talking about. Let this be a lesson Warriors, when you are right, and you know you are right, fight for your rights.
      Way 2 Go! Congrats!
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  • Profile picture of the author Leo Wadsworth
    Congrats! Nothing like a lawsuit to focus a companies attention, and to get your side reviewed by the right people in the company.
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  • Profile picture of the author SteveJohnson
    Would it be beyond the bounds of propriety for you to tell us just what your attorney said to them?
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  • Profile picture of the author akg12
    Paypal is like fast food.

    It is so conveinent but just so horrible.

    Those people will do ANYTHING to hold your money and manipulate the people that ALLOW THEM TO RUN such a huge scam.

    I would LOVE for someone to come along and steal Paypals limelight...That would make my life.

    By the way, they do not care about how many sales, how much money, or anything like that. They only care about the buyers, and holding your money for as long as they can, for investment purposes i'm sure. But who can stop one of the biggest corporations in the world?
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  • Profile picture of the author specialized
    In one of those funny spontaneous flashes of inspiration, I just had an idea... check it out, the dominant theme in the US right now is, of course, the poor economy and getting it revved up again, right? Well, what could be more anti-business and stifling on the economy than this stuff PayPoop is doing to people? It's very hostile and suppressive to businesses and the economy. Why don't we (or someone!) start a lobby or organization to fight back against it on the grounds that it is extremely hostile to small business and thus hostile to the growth of the US economy? Now that's a cause that it seems to me some congresspersons could sink their teeth into!

    Of course I guess the downside of this idea is that they (PP) could make things very difficult for anyone they identified as being part of such an organization. But it strikes me that the only way to fight a corrupt organization is with an opposing organization.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tadresources
    That sounds incredibly frustrating. I have been researching Paypal alternatives but with the exception of Google Checkout there are very few viable ones out there. There are a few decent options but none of them are very popular as of yet. All I can say is sorry for your troubles and I hope this gets cleared up soon.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andrew Davis
    Congrats on getting your account back Jason!

    I read your Topic here since the day you posted it.

    From the way you described things, I had a feeling that you were not guilty of doing something wrong, or breaking PayPal's TOS.

    People need to realize that PayPal Staff are Human too!


    I dislike that when every time someone complains that their PayPal account was unjustly frozen, allot of the Warriors here blame the "victim", saying that it was their fault, they MUST have done something wrong to cause PayPal to shut them down.

    This may be true for many cases, but not all.

    Things than can cause your PayPal account to be shut-down unjustly:

    - PayPal can use incorrect judgement of a situation in many cases.
    - A Staff can even have a bias towards a particular person for some reason.
    - A Glitch in PayPal's detection systems can happen.
    - A Buyer can "set-up" a person they dislike. Making false reports about them to PayPal.


    So many different things can go wrong.

    PayPal isn't "God", they can make mistakes on their side too. So not everyone who gets their account Limited/Frozen was guilty of doing something wrong.


    It's the same with Google Adsense!

    Now, I've never had any problem with Adsense personally.
    However, I'm very sure that loads of people have gotten their Adsense accounts banned, without doing anything wrong.

    "Click-bombers" (for example) have been successful in many instances of shutting down the accounts of Adsense Publishers.

    Many other factors can cause false alarms to be set off, then things go wrongly and the innocent Publisher is penalized.


    I'm not suggesting that everyone who comes complaining about their PayPal / Adsense account are correct and innocent.

    I'm just saying that it's not fair that most people immediately assume that it was their own fault for getting their account banned.

    "They MUST have done something wrong... because PayPal, Adsense, etc... are Always Right!"


    (Thankfully, in this post many Warriors sympathized/agreed with Jason, but in most similar threads, I've seen the OP blamed for his account restrictions, without enough evidence to conclude that)
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  • Profile picture of the author Andrew Davis
    Originally Posted by akg12

    By the way, they do not care about how many sales, how much money, or anything like that. They only care about the buyers, and holding your money for as long as they can, for investment purposes i'm sure. But who can stop one of the biggest corporations in the world?
    I agree with you.

    PayPal holds my funds for 30-60 days!

    How can I do business like this! :|

    I've had a 100% positive history and have been using PayPal for years.

    I talked about this more here:
    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...idiculous.html


    Clearly, PayPal is just making excuses to hold my funds for their own profits.
    They are using my money as a "Short-Term Investment".

    There is no other legit reason for them to hold my funds that long, when I've already proven to be an honest seller with a clean track-record.

    (I've stopped using PayPal since I wrote that Topic)



    Originally Posted by specialized

    Why don't we (or someone!) start a lobby or organization to fight back against it on the grounds that it is extremely hostile to small business and thus hostile to the growth of the US economy? Now that's a cause that it seems to me some congresspersons could sink their teeth into!
    This sounds like a good cause and action to take.
    However, there is a problem in my opinion.

    When we sign-up for PayPal, we play by their rules.

    We are governed by their TOS. So they can hold our funds if they want to, and we can't do that much about it, because we agreed to give them that permission.


    The only reasonable answer would be to use/support another Payment processor.

    OR

    We on Warrior Forum start our own Payment Processor.

    I'm very willing to lean a helping hand in building such a Platform. I think we should.
    We have enough smart and experienced people to get a system like this going.
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    • Profile picture of the author specialized
      Originally Posted by Andrew Davis View Post

      We on Warrior Forum start our own Payment Processor.

      I'm very willing to lean a helping hand in building such a Platform. I think we should.
      We have enough smart and experienced people to get a system like this going.
      BINGO. Great idea. I don't know how feasible it is, but it's an excellent idea.
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  • Profile picture of the author luane
    I often thought that a way to avoid this is to immediately transfer your profits into your bank account even daily, as Alyona has suggested. Might be a good way to avoid this.
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