How much $ do you make?

by kvb
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Hello,

Any BIG fish here? It's really interesting to see what are the roads to big earnings and what is the potential with each path.

It would be a real help to me and many others on this forum, If you could share the level of your monthly income and the road you took to reach that level.

This would help tremendously people that are at the crossroad at the moment and need to make a decision that potentially will make or break their life.

This is basically because there are time limits to every period in everyone's life. For example, a single man has more spare time on his hands to try different ways than a guy who has a wife, 2 children, bunch of bills and needs to put food on the table...

Since this is my first post, I'm going to introduce myself, share how much I make and why I'm at this crossroad.

My name is Valentine, age 30, I'm currently working as a quality manager in a small electro-mechanics company, I earn $1,500/month with 200 hours of work. This is pretty lousy considering the title, but it's roughly based on the level of salary I had before I got certified quality engineering and certified quality manager diplomas.

If I change work. Today with 6yrs experience and Certifications I can get a clean (after taxes) $2,000-$3000 in the best case considering the area where I live for approximately the same level of work 200-220 hours/month.

Since I got to the conclusion that having a boss, driving to work every day and having to deal with problems and sometimes yelling people is not in alignment with my vision, the lifestyle and my mission in life. I'm looking to return back to internet, as the primary source of income. This will allow me the relative peace of mind and soul to do the things that matter the most to me.

Since I learned computers in high school and worked 5 years online prior to this job. I know what it is to be the boss of yourself. What it feels like waking in the morning when you want, checking stats to find out that you earned extra cash while sleeping. That's literally the difference between the hell I'm in today and the paradise I used to have and I walked away from.

Since internet landscape pretty much changed very much over the past 6 years. I will be really grateful for your input in helping me and I believe many others on this forum to make the Right decision.

The key to success in quality engineering and management is:
"Doing the Right thing, Right, Right the first time."

I need to decide on what's that "Right thing" is for me...

Thank you very much!,
Valentine.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ashish Poonia
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    oh!Sure
    I started with dollar zero and now i am earning $3k per month.
    My path to success was very hard full of Obstacles.
    Here is the summery of my journey
    1,Started from fiverr.
    2,Got a website.
    3,Flipped it
    4,Affiliate marketing using wired ways.
    5,launched my own product.
    6,Website with CPA and Adsense.
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    • Profile picture of the author kvb
      Originally Posted by Ashish Poonia View Post

      oh!Sure
      I started with dollar zero and now i am earning $3k per month.
      My path to success was very hard full of Obstacles.
      Here is the summery of my journey
      1,Started from fiverr.
      2,Got a website.
      3,Flipped it
      4,Affiliate marketing using wired ways.
      5,launched my own product.
      6,Website with CPA and Adsense.
      Thank you very much! What a simple and honest response!! Did you hire or got work from fiverr?
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      • Profile picture of the author Ashish Poonia
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        Originally Posted by kvb View Post

        Thank you very much! What a simple and honest response!! Did you hire or got work from fiverr?
        I used it for both.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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    Originally Posted by kvb View Post

    Hello,

    Any BIG fish here? It's really interesting to see what are the roads to big earnings and what is the potential with each path.
    It would be interesting; but I wouldn't get your hope up. It tends to be poor form to throw out your income level for the world to see. You never know who is watching...

    Originally Posted by kvb View Post

    It would be a real help to me and many others on this forum, If you could share the level of your monthly income and the road you took to reach that level.
    Knowing someone's level of income isn't going to help you much at all. That's another persons money, and you will never see a dime of it (assuming they don't become your customer at some point). It does nothing for you to know.

    Now, knowing someone's path to success is a horse of a different color. I'll tell you mine was to start out offering a service, and has since involved a slow transition into affiliate marketing. Now that is information you can potentially act on. Maybe you do, maybe you don't.

    I skipped the rest and would like to point out this last bit of your post:

    Originally Posted by kvb View Post

    I need to decide on what's that "Right thing" is for me...
    You're definitely right. You do. Inviting the ideas of a public forum will give you 500 different opinions on what to do, not one of them really mattering. You need to honestly asses your abilities, the time you can put in, and whether or not you have the work ethic to make it online.

    From there, you pick a method that fits you and stick with it. Simple.
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      Originally Posted by Joe Robinson View Post

      Knowing someone's level of income isn't going to help you much at all. That's another persons money, and you will never see a dime of it (assuming they don't become your customer at some point). It does nothing for you to know.
      I don't know, I find it quite motivating knowing someone has had a successful month or earned such and such amount from online marketing, as long as he/she isn't being a tit about it, or just rubbing your face in it. It shows that there's money to be made and motivates me to work harder or try other avenues.
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    • Profile picture of the author kvb
      Originally Posted by Joe Robinson View Post

      You're definitely right. You do. Inviting the ideas of a public forum will give you 500 different opinions on what to do, not one of them really mattering. You need to honestly asses your abilities, the time you can put in, and whether or not you have the work ethic to make it online.

      From there, you pick a method that fits you and stick with it. Simple.
      That's what I really asked for. I need those 500 opinions, to help me make my decision.

      There are those that will laugh at my request, those that will try to help, those that will ignore, those that will try to hurt on some not understood basis... you know different people, different opinions.

      I'm after those that honest, helpful and I believe not any one deed, good or bad goes without notice.

      Cheers.
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      Originally Posted by Joe Robinson View Post

      It tends to be poor form to throw out your income level for the world to see. You never know who is watching...
      If you don't lie to people, it doesn't matter.

      There are a lot of people who give a high income when they sign up for dating sites, a low income when they file their taxes, and something in the middle when they talk about their business.

      It matters who's watching them because they're lying to people.

      But for someone like me, who just tells the balls-out truth to everyone, it doesn't matter.

      I have a $100 residual monthly income from membership sites.

      Everything else, I tore down - because it wasn't reliable. And I'm in the process of building something I think will be more reliable. If it doesn't work, I'll tear that down, too. Then I'll figure out why it didn't work, and design something without that particular problem.

      Businesses are projects like any other. Plan to throw one away - you will anyhow.
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    • Actually, it does help to see -- and I understand why people ask this question.

      They want to know if it's just a lot of 'hype' or if there are 'real' people making 'real' money on the internet, i.e., some guidance.

      Yes, people make money. Yes, some make a lot. Is it easy if you just start? No. Will you need to learn a lot, invest a lot of time/money, before you start seeing results? Most likely yes. Will you need to use your BS detection tool to filter through what's good and what's not? Most definitely.

      Based on what I've read here, seen, talked with people, etc, I would say that there are some 'big fish' on here (relatively speaking). Some people here that regularly make between $100K-$150K month on here. Out of 1000 active users here, there is probably 2-3 like that. Then you have another 5-10 who people in about 50-100k/month, then another 10-15 who most likely do 25-50kmonth. Then there are probably another 10-15 that do 10-25k/month. Then I'd estimate another 50 that do 5k-10k. Probably then about 100 that do 2k-5k/month, and then everyone else is from nothing to 2k... These are estimates, but that is based on talking w/people, seeing what they say, etc, etc, etc.

      Hope that helps,

      Johnathan

      Originally Posted by Joe Robinson View Post

      It would be interesting; but I wouldn't get your hope up. It tends to be poor form to throw out your income level for the world to see. You never know who is watching...



      Knowing someone's level of income isn't going to help you much at all. That's another persons money, and you will never see a dime of it (assuming they don't become your customer at some point). It does nothing for you to know.

      Now, knowing someone's path to success is a horse of a different color. I'll tell you mine was to start out offering a service, and has since involved a slow transition into affiliate marketing. Now that is information you can potentially act on. Maybe you do, maybe you don't.

      I skipped the rest and would like to point out this last bit of your post:



      You're definitely right. You do. Inviting the ideas of a public forum will give you 500 different opinions on what to do, not one of them really mattering. You need to honestly asses your abilities, the time you can put in, and whether or not you have the work ethic to make it online.

      From there, you pick a method that fits you and stick with it. Simple.
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      • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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        Originally Posted by InternetSuccess001 View Post

        Actually, it does help to see -- and I understand why people ask this question.

        They want to know if it's just a lot of 'hype' or if there are 'real' people making 'real' money on the internet, i.e., some guidance.
        So because I say I make $100k a month on the main discussion forum instead of on a sales letter, there is suddenly less "hype" and me and my claims are more "real"?

        I'm not following that logic. I can lie to you just as easily here as in a sales letter. As a matter of fact, it's easier because I can just change my story in real time :rolleyes:.
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        • Originally Posted by Joe Robinson View Post

          So because I say I make $100k a month on the main discussion forum instead of on a sales letter, there is suddenly less "hype" and me and my claims are more "real"?

          I'm not following that logic. I can lie to you just as easily here as in a sales letter. As a matter of fact, it's easier because I can just change my story in real time :rolleyes:.
          Lol - that is not what I am saying. Unfortunately, some people do lie. And of course others exagerate. Thats why you have your 'bs detection meter' turned on.

          Also -- if someone backs it up, i.e., says they make $100k, look at their list of websites (i.e., say 10), then they analyze the traffic, see an active website forum, then see that same person listed on those websites, then it becomes much more believable. You use your brain to detect that kind of stuff.

          He just wants reassurance that people actually 'do' make money from internet marketing/selling products/ppc/etc, etc, , and I am telling him, yes, they do. And yes, some people do make $100k/month. Not a lot, but some.

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          • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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            Originally Posted by InternetSuccess001 View Post

            Lol - that is not what I am saying. Unfortunately, some people do lie. And of course others exagerate. Thats why you have your 'bs detection meter' turned on.

            He just wants reassurance that people actually 'do' make money from internet marketing/selling products/ppc/etc, etc, , and I am telling him, yes, they do.
            If someone is both that insecure about whether or not they can succeed, and not aware that people can and do make money online, then they probably aren't ready to jump into this type of marketing.

            That's just one opinion of course.
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            • Originally Posted by Joe Robinson View Post

              If someone is both that insecure about whether or not they can succeed, and not aware that people can and do make money online, then they probably aren't ready to jump into this type of marketing.

              That's just one opinion of course.
              That's not true.

              It's common sense. You wouldn't buy a house without visiting it, talking to the neighbours, and seeing what the neighbourhood is like, would you?
              You wouldn't buy a car sight unseen, without taking it for a test drive to see if it worked first, would you? (Some people do both, but it is very few).

              Most people need some reassurance that they are doing the right thing, and they need feedback.

              Same scenario here. He wants to know whether or not people actually make money doing this stuff, whether it is worth his time to invest to see if he can do the same, and I am saying if he wants the freedom of working from home (or rather freedom to do what he wants when he wants), then yes. It is worth it.
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              • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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                Originally Posted by legalbear View Post

                Yes, there is no right to privacy in anything revealed on a public forum.

                You don't want to have regrets at a later date because you opened your big mouth here and the wrong person did a search on the web and found it.
                Nothing from Cancun ever made it to the web, so I'm OK :p.

                Originally Posted by InternetSuccess001 View Post

                Most people need some reassurance that they are doing the right thing, and they need feedback.
                Common sense would dictate that if it is possible to make money with something, then people are probably making money with that something. What the OP is looking for is reassurance that he/she can do it, and there is no way to gain that reassurance from looking at someone else's income claims. They mean absolutely nothing to your specific situation.

                As I said in my last post, if the OP happens to be at the point where they don't even know if it's possible to make money online, then they aren't ready to jump into business. That's a pretty fundamental thing for them to not be able to grasp.
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                • Lol, you must be a very confident man.

                  Out of the womb, did you know how to ride a bike? Did you know how to drive a car the first time you saw it? The first time you went on a date with a girl, did you know what to say, without your knees getting shaky, or sweaty palms?

                  Chances are, no.

                  But with your logic -- no one should have told you that 'they' did those things successfully, because it was not an indication of whether 'you' would personally be successfuly. But then that would be BS.

                  So again - this fellow just needs reassurance that other people have made it, and he is not making a poor decision - and I am telling him, yes, they have. And, if he wants to go for it, then he should.


                  Originally Posted by Joe Robinson View Post

                  Nothing from Cancun ever made it to the web, so I'm OK :p.



                  Common sense would dictate that if it is possible to make money with something, then people are probably making money with that something. What the OP is looking for is reassurance that he/she can do it, and there is no way to gain that reassurance from looking at someone else's income claims. They mean absolutely nothing to your specific situation.

                  As I said in my last post, if the OP happens to be at the point where they don't even know if it's possible to make money online, then they aren't ready to jump into business. That's a pretty fundamental thing for them to not be able to grasp.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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                    Originally Posted by InternetSuccess001 View Post

                    Lol, you must be a very confident man.
                    You could say that...

                    Originally Posted by InternetSuccess001 View Post

                    Out of the womb, did you know how to ride a bike?
                    I rode out of the womb on a bike.

                    Originally Posted by InternetSuccess001 View Post

                    Did you know how to drive a car the first time you saw it?
                    Self taught, no lessons.

                    Originally Posted by InternetSuccess001 View Post

                    The first time you went on a date with a girl, did you know what to say, without your knees getting shaky, or sweaty palms?
                    Smoother than Barney Stinson.

                    You can't out-troll a troll buddy.



                    Originally Posted by InternetSuccess001 View Post

                    But with your logic -- no one should have told you that 'they' did those things successfully, because it was not an indication of whether 'you' would personally be successfuly. But then that would be BS.
                    You're putting words into my mouth now to try to salvage your debunked argument. That's not what I'm getting at, period. Social proof is a fundamental part of our society, I'm not denying that.

                    In this specific situation with the OP's specific question, the "social proof" is irrelevant. He asked us to put a number on how much we make online. That number means nothing. If the OP needs social proof that money can be made online, the mere existence and size of this forum is more than enough.

                    If you really don't get that, I really can't help you; and I'm sorry for that.
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                    • Lol, you are a funny guy.

                      Originally Posted by Joe Robinson View Post

                      If you really don't get that, I really can't help you; and I'm sorry for that.
                      Actually, you don't get it, lol.

                      I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

                      Enough said.
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              • Profile picture of the author tpw
                Originally Posted by Joe Robinson View Post

                If someone is both that insecure about whether or not they can succeed, and not aware that people can and do make money online, then they probably aren't ready to jump into this type of marketing.

                That's just one opinion of course.
                Originally Posted by InternetSuccess001 View Post

                That's not true.

                It's common sense. You wouldn't buy a house without visiting it, talking to the neighbours, and seeing what the neighbourhood is like, would you?

                You wouldn't buy a car sight unseen, without taking it for a test drive to see if it worked first, would you? (Some people do both, but it is very few).

                Most people need some reassurance that they are doing the right thing, and they need feedback.

                Same scenario here. He wants to know whether or not people actually make money doing this stuff, whether it is worth his time to invest to see if he can do the same, and I am saying if he wants the freedom of working from home (or rather freedom to do what he wants when he wants), then yes. It is worth it.

                Sorry Johnathan... Apples and Oranges...

                I can point to people who are doing 5-figures a month, every month.

                I can point to a few who are doing 6-figures a month, every month.

                But that does not mean that they will come into a public forum and announce that.

                I often equate doing so to walking into a convenience store that has bars on its windows, because it is a rough neighborhood. If you walked into that store and paid for your pop with a hundred dollar bill and displayed a wallet full of hundreds, you may never make it to your car with your health and money intact.

                The web is exactly the same.

                If you announce your earnings in pubic, then people who use Google can find out where you live and they might mark you as their next victim. Although it doesn't happen often, it can happen.



                But the point everyone keeps missing here is Total Revenue - Total Expenses = Total Net Profit.

                If someone were to tell you their Total Revenue numbers, you might miss that their Total Net Profit was 33% of the gross.

                My numbers in February of 2012 were substantial. My wife about had a stroke when she saw what I processed in Feb 2012. But my expenses for the month were 67% of my gross!!

                Most people who publish their numbers online tell you Total Revenue numbers!!

                The famous "million dollar launches" were advertised to the world in Total Gross Revenues.... Never mind that all had 50% affiliate commissions. And never mind that the costs of those "million-dollar launches" were large in creation, development and customer service after the sale.

                So you have to wonder how much a "million dollar launch" delivered to the creator after all of the debts were paid.

                You don't know, because no one advertises their Total Net Profits... In this space, everyone talks about their Total Gross Revenues.

                The fact is there are people involved in Internet Marketing who are making a lot of money!!

                Your results may vary.

                The Feds are cracking down on "how" we advertise income opportunities online.

                There was a case here about two years ago where the FTC went after a major online marketer in the "buying notes" market. I am sorry that I cannot remember his name, but the point is that he was advertising online and on TV infomercials.

                One of the "social proof" testimonials givers in the TV infomercial was prosecuted for lying in the program.

                In the infomercial, she said that she earned $96,000 on one note. They prosecuted her, because that was a lie. LOL Had she only told the truth, it would not have been an issue. Ironically, if she had told the truth, she would have said that she made $24,000 on that one note. LOL

                That was actually in the court documents. She made $24,000 buying and selling one note, yet she exaggerated her earnings, so they prosecuted her for lying.

                If she had only told the truth, I bet people would have been impressed anyway. :p

                I have gone off on a tangent, but my point is that anything we say in public has effects beyond the forum.

                If we are telling people our Total Gross Revenues, that is deceptive. And if we tell our Total Net Profits, people may consider that deceptive as well, BECAUSE...

                Just because I can make that much Total Net Profit does not mean that you can!!

                What people need to understand is that anything is possible, IF they make a solid effort and put the work into it.

                Everything else is just word games.
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                • Hi Bill,

                  Ok, perhaps we are discussing different things here.

                  I agree with your reasons with why people may not want to publicly annouce how much they make. Makes sense. (Everything from people trying to 'rip' off a competitors website/niche, to people bothering those that do make money, etc). And I 100% agree that unless 'specific' questions are asked (i.e., 'net' revenue), then it can be misleading.

                  (Heck, you can "get" $3,000 cash TODAY. Go to the bank, get a cash withdrawl on your credit card, and you have "gotten" $3,000. Now, unless you pay off your card right away, you are going to have some hefty interest charges, and just for doing that for one day you'll probably be charged $2 in interest, so 'technically' speaking you've "lost" $2).

                  My point that I was saying is that this fellow (OP), just wants to know if it's possible. And I'm saying it is possible. I totally agree that it really depends on a number of factors, i.e., will he do the work, will he understand, will he get buyers, etc, etc. If all he does is sit on the couch, drink beer, and complain about his situation, highly unlikely he'd make anything. (Unless of course he got a network t.v. station to sponsor him in a reality t.v. series called "Beer drinkers who watch t.v., and complain - let's watch their story!").

                  but yes, with this: "Just because I can make that much Total Net Profit does not mean that you can!!

                  What people need to understand is that anything is possible, IF they make a solid effort and put the work into it.
                  "

                  I agree with you. You need to put the time, work, research, planning, partnerships, development, marketing, and a ton of other factors in before you start seeing results. And of course, results vary.






                  Originally Posted by tpw View Post

                  Sorry Johnathan... Apples and Oranges...

                  I can point to people who are doing 5-figures a month, every month.

                  I can point to a few who are doing 6-figures a month, every month.

                  But that does not mean that they will come into a public forum and announce that.

                  I often equate doing so to walking into a convenience store that has bars on its windows, because it is a rough neighborhood. If you walked into that store and paid for your pop with a hundred dollar bill and displayed a wallet full of hundreds, you may never make it to your car with your health and money intact.

                  The web is exactly the same.

                  If you announce your earnings in pubic, then people who use Google can find out where you live and they might mark you as their next victim. Although it doesn't happen often, it can happen.



                  But the point everyone keeps missing here is Total Revenue - Total Expenses = Total Net Profit.

                  If someone were to tell you their Total Revenue numbers, you might miss that their Total Net Profit was 33% of the gross.

                  My numbers in February of 2012 were substantial. My wife about had a stroke when she saw what I processed in Feb 2012. But my expenses for the month were 67% of my gross!!

                  Most people who publish their numbers online tell you Total Revenue numbers!!

                  The famous "million dollar launches" were advertised to the world in Total Gross Revenues.... Never mind that all had 50% affiliate commissions. And never mind that the costs of those "million-dollar launches" were large in creation, development and customer service after the sale.

                  So you have to wonder how much a "million dollar launch" delivered to the creator after all of the debts were paid.

                  You don't know, because no one advertises their Total Net Profits... In this space, everyone talks about their Total Gross Revenues.

                  The fact is there are people involved in Internet Marketing who are making a lot of money!!

                  Your results may vary.

                  The Feds are cracking down on "how" we advertise income opportunities online.

                  There was a case here about two years ago where the FTC went after a major online marketer in the "buying notes" market. I am sorry that I cannot remember his name, but the point is that he was advertising online and on TV infomercials.

                  One of the "social proof" testimonials givers in the TV infomercial was prosecuted for lying in the program.

                  In the infomercial, she said that she earned $96,000 on one note. They prosecuted her, because that was a lie. LOL Had she only told the truth, it would not have been an issue. Ironically, if she had told the truth, she would have said that she made $24,000 on that one note. LOL

                  That was actually in the court documents. She made $24,000 buying and selling one note, yet she exaggerated her earnings, so they prosecuted her for lying.

                  If she had only told the truth, I bet people would have been impressed anyway. :p

                  I have gone off on a tangent, but my point is that anything we say in public has effects beyond the forum.

                  If we are telling people our Total Gross Revenues, that is deceptive. And if we tell our Total Net Profits, people may consider that deceptive as well, BECAUSE...

                  Just because I can make that much Total Net Profit does not mean that you can!!

                  What people need to understand is that anything is possible, IF they make a solid effort and put the work into it.

                  Everything else is just word games.
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                  • Profile picture of the author tpw
                    Originally Posted by InternetSuccess001 View Post

                    My point that I was saying is that this fellow (OP), just wants to know if it's possible. And I'm saying it is possible.

                    I totally agree that it really depends on a number of factors, i.e., will he do the work, will he understand, will he get buyers, etc, etc. If all he does is sit on the couch, drink beer, and complain about his situation, highly unlikely he'd make anything. (Unless of course he got a network t.v. station to sponsor him in a reality t.v. series called "Beer drinkers who watch t.v., and complain - let's watch their story!").

                    but yes, with this: "Just because I can make that much Total Net Profit does not mean that you can!!

                    What people need to understand is that anything is possible, IF they make a solid effort and put the work into it.
                    "

                    I agree with you. You need to put the time, work, research, planning, partnerships, development, marketing, and a ton of other factors in before you start seeing results. And of course, results vary.

                    See, we are on the same page.

                    LOL

                    I'd hit Thanks for the comment about the TV series, "Beer Drinkers Who Watch T.V., and Complain", but I ran out of those rascals about two hours ago.
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                    • Originally Posted by tpw View Post

                      See, we are on the same page.

                      LOL

                      I'd hit Thanks for the comment about the TV series, "Beer Drinkers Who Watch T.V., and Complain", but I ran out of those rascals about two hours ago.
                      Lol, ok. Yes, I think the conversation might have gotten derailed a bit. But it is possible to have success providing you put the work in.

                      As for the "Beer Drinkers Who Watch T.V., and Complain", I was seriously considering whether I should post my idea -- because I don't want someone to go steal it and see it in next years t.v. network lineup! (Unless, of course we negotiate some generous royalties first )
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                      • Profile picture of the author tpw
                        Originally Posted by InternetSuccess001 View Post

                        Lol, ok. Yes, I think the conversation might have gotten derailed a bit. But it is possible to have success providing you put the work in.

                        As for the "Beer Drinkers Who Watch T.V., and Complain", I was seriously considering whether I should post my idea -- because I don't want someone to go steal it and see it in next years t.v. network lineup! (Unless, of course we negotiate some generous royalties first )

                        Did you see when NBC stole the "So easy a caveman could do it," from GEICO?

                        I set it up on DVR... It was soooo bad that it only lasted 5 episodes...
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                        • Originally Posted by tpw View Post

                          Did you see when NBC stole the "So easy a caveman could do it," from GEICO?

                          I set it up on DVR... It was soooo bad that it only lasted 5 episodes...
                          Ah! haha, no I don't think I saw that... but the commercials were pretty good!

                          If you have netflix -- you should check out the "SNL Commercials over 20 years" episode. Some really funny stuff
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          • Profile picture of the author tpw
            Originally Posted by InternetSuccess001 View Post

            Also -- if someone backs it up, i.e., says they make $100k, look at their list of websites (i.e., say 10), then they analyze the traffic, see an active website forum, then see that same person listed on those websites, then it becomes much more believable. You use your brain to detect that kind of stuff.

            That stuff can be faked too!!

            I own 50+ domains.

            Some of them have traffic that makes people wonder how the hell I can pull that much traffic.

            I also have domains with traffic and high-ticket items.

            But I don't make my living from those high-ticket items. LOL

            I make my living in the $3 to $50 price range.
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            • Originally Posted by tpw View Post

              That stuff can be faked too!!

              I own 50+ domains.

              Some of them have traffic that makes people wonder how the hell I can pull that much traffic.

              I also have domains with traffic and high-ticket items.

              But I don't make my living from those high-ticket items. LOL

              I make my living in the $3 to $50 price range.
              Lol, of course everything can be faked.

              So that is why people need to use something called a brain . Traffic is not the only thing in evaluating how successful something is (it is important to a degree, but not the only thing). But that is something you'll start to learn as you do more and more research.

              You'll be able to sort between the wheat and the chaff.

              And yes - I think I bought one of your kindle products, so that's pretty good you are seeing success from that. (I bought a few - but I think yours was talking about having a regular schedule, i.e., Mondays, etc? Don't want to give it away in case someone wants to purchase, but thanks!)

              Johnathan
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    • Profile picture of the author legalbear
      Originally Posted by Joe Robinson View Post

      It would be interesting; but I wouldn't get your hope up. It tends to be poor form to throw out your income level for the world to see. You never know who is watching...
      Yes, there is no right to privacy in anything revealed on a public forum.

      You don't want to have regrets at a later date because you opened your big mouth here and the wrong person did a search on the web and found it.
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  • Profile picture of the author A1pha
    Originally Posted by kvb View Post

    Hello,

    Any BIG fish here? It's really interesting to see what are the roads to big earnings and what is the potential with each path.

    It would be a real help to me and many others on this forum, If you could share the level of your monthly income and the road you took to reach that level.
    Yes there are big fish here, but they arn't just going to "pop out" and say I'm earning $xx,xxx a month. Looking at peoples earnings isn't going to really help you. All you need to know is you can "hit it big" with IM. The money is out there go and get it. Stick with a method that works for you and scale it up.
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  • Profile picture of the author rado0
    Hopefully, you are not expecting to see any specific figures otherwise you will most probably, be disappointed.

    As far as my income is regarded, I would classify it as "a good extra income" but I am hoping I will be able to make a comfortable living out of it soon.
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    • Profile picture of the author kvb
      Originally Posted by rado0 View Post

      Hopefully, you are not expecting to see any specific figures otherwise you will most probably, be disappointed.
      Maybe you are right. We will see this in the end of the thread. From my experience legitimate people that earn their way honestly will have no problem sharing. On the contrary, sharing will only make them more popular and bring other people towards them and therefore grow their success.

      On the other hand, people that not make so much but pretend making a lot and therefore in some way misleading others on the level of their success. These people will not be willing to share their level of income or will lie about it, probably.

      I think this should be considered. If someone is not successful, how he can teach others?
      Originally Posted by rado0 View Post

      As far as my income is regarded, I would classify it as "a good extra income" but I am hoping I will be able to make a comfortable living out of it soon.
      I wish all the best of luck and success!!!
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      • Profile picture of the author jwmann2
        The good thing is there is no ceiling on how much you can earn on the internet. Find a niche you love and stick with it because it will never seem like work. Before you know it, the money will be raining in.
        It's tough to gauge the income of others because their content and concept will be completely different than yours.
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        • Profile picture of the author myob
          The fact is, some of the "big fish" do visit and post on this forum rather frequently. What is so often missed, however, is that such success is actually quite simple. The difference between success and failure is nearly always in direct proportion to magnitude of desire; putting in whatever the effort it takes. Astounding success requires its equal in astounding effort.
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  • Profile picture of the author gcbmark20
    It's always a good idea to follow someone who has benn there and done it and can prove they have by showing testimonials by the bucket load from previous users of their materials.

    There is some fantastic information available here at the W.F. but no-one is going to give you success, you have to take some action and make sure you are responsible for your actions also.

    Good luck with your future efforts
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    • Profile picture of the author kvb
      Originally Posted by gcbmark20 View Post

      It's always a good idea to follow someone who has benn there and done it and can prove they have by showing testimonials by the bucket load from previous users of their materials.

      There is some fantastic information available here at the W.F. but no-one is going to give you success, you have to take some action and make sure you are responsible for your actions also.

      Good luck with your future efforts
      gcbmark20
      Thank you. I know to build or to achieve something you need to put work in. That's commons sense.

      The point of this thread is to figure out the different ways that certain levels of income are possible to make and choosing the best that fit's ones characteristics and knowledge best.

      W.F is great, but the information like a sea. People trying to sell here and not all the replies are hones and you never know on whether you make your opinion based on sales marketing on real testimony. I think that's really unfortunate and confusing at least for the newbies out here.

      Thx for your positive input.
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  • Profile picture of the author MrMysteryBox
    what works for me online is: online affiliate marketing and selling on ebay... like a 1-2 punch
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    • Profile picture of the author kvb
      Originally Posted by blackfinreality View Post

      what works for me online is: online affiliate marketing and selling on ebay... like a 1-2 punch
      thanks! You sell offline products on ebay? Or downloadable stuff, like ebooks?
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      • Profile picture of the author MrMysteryBox
        Originally Posted by kvb View Post

        thanks! You sell offline products on ebay? Or downloadable stuff, like ebooks?
        both... mostly offline on ebay
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    • Profile picture of the author kvb
      Originally Posted by junne View Post

      Find a good niche.
      Purchase a domain.
      make your website.
      Bring visitors to it and run adsense or cpa offer.
      Start earning.

      Now i am new in affiliate and not earning good income from affiliate. So may be sharing after getting success.
      Thx and I wish you success!
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  • Profile picture of the author karoubalou
    I don't make any dollar yet from affiliate marketing. A few dollars for ads but that is all. I am a newbie off course.
    Sometimes I am wondering if the whole thing about affiliate marketing is true or affiliates buy products from other affiliates and that it the way that revenue comes. But on the other hand, when I visit this forum to learn more about the business I see all you guys and I am telling myself that this business exist for true.
    I think that launch a website and start writing articles is a good start. But going from that start to the point of earning money is a log race...
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    • Profile picture of the author kvb
      Originally Posted by karoubalou View Post

      I don't make any dollar yet from affiliate marketing. A few dollars for ads but that is all. I am a newbie off course.
      Sometimes I am wondering if the whole thing about affiliate marketing is true or affiliates buy products from other affiliates and that it the way that revenue comes. But on the other hand, when I visit this forum to learn more about the business I see all you guys and I am telling myself that this business exist for true.
      I think that launch a website and start writing articles is a good start. But going from that start to the point of earning money is a log race...
      I used to do affiliate marketing 12 years ago. To tell you the truth, there are a lot of money to be made.. Basically all depends on your perception of possible..If you think it's possible than it's possible. If you think it's not, then it's not, FOR you.

      The hardest part is to continue going in the right direction before you even make any penny and not switch from it.

      I used to make $1.5-$2k a month working for 2 hours a day.. That was 12 years ago when I was in high school... You ask me why I abandoned it? It was in the adult business. That's what my friends from high school were doing at the time and helped me learn.

      Adult business was not for me and I dropped it 3 times and found myself getting to it, because I needed the money. Then one day came and I became Christian and couldn't remain hypocrite. With one hand in the church and the other in the porn industry.. So I pressed the delete button on EVERYTHING I have build. I deleted a site I was working on 8 month that only sitting on the net, untouched brought $150-200/month.

      Then I went for a work standing and pulling cables for 10 hours a day. At least I felt that I was producing something with my hands and not profiting on the moral demise of others.

      I should have been more wise and switched gradually to other non adult websites back then... but hey... it's always easy to be smart when looking back.

      My advice to you, is NEVER give up on yourself and hurt yourself because you think it didn't happen fast enough. Have patience, act and concentrate on your vision and the result will sooner or later come...

      Peace.
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  • Profile picture of the author WittyBlogger
    Well, I'm not really big fish or anything - there are far more successful Warriors out there. I make a full time living through blogging and various other marketing efforts. Took a lot of hair off my head and probably a truckload of sweat to get here.

    I'm currently earning about $410 to $530+ per day. It does fluctuate a bit, and it's not as impressive as some of my friends who make money under the limelight.

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    • Profile picture of the author kvb
      Originally Posted by WittyBlogger View Post

      Well, I'm not really big fish or anything - there are far more successful Warriors out there. I make a full time living through blogging and various other marketing efforts. Took a lot of hair off my head and probably a truckload of sweat to get here.

      I'm currently earning about $410 to $530+ per day. It does fluctuate a bit, and it's not as impressive as some of my friends who make money under the limelight.

      -wittyblogger
      Thanks, man. Can you elaborate a bit about those other marketing efforts? Do you mean ppc? CPA?

      I saw on this forum different people present different strategies. Those that say build 100 small sites,, those that say build 1 big and concentrate on traffic.

      I guess there are a lot of ways. Blogging is not something I'm very familiar with, but Affiliate marketing is.

      Can you point me in the right direction by suggesting maybe, Tools, Services, info you bought that helped you very much to save some sweat?

      Thanks!
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      • Profile picture of the author WittyBlogger
        Originally Posted by kvb View Post

        Thanks, man. Can you elaborate a bit about those other marketing efforts? Do you mean ppc? CPA?

        I saw on this forum different people present different strategies. Those that say build 100 small sites,, those that say build 1 big and concentrate on traffic.

        I guess there are a lot of ways. Blogging is not something I'm very familiar with, but Affiliate marketing is.

        Can you point me in the right direction by suggesting maybe, Tools, Services, info you bought that helped you very much to save some sweat?

        Thanks!
        I'm afraid I cannot disclose any of that as free advice here.

        Why would I risk a big chunk of my income?

        Nevertheless, blogging also gives me huge revenue. It really just takes a lot of time and effort. Ultimately, everything WILL pay off.

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        • Profile picture of the author kvb
          Originally Posted by WittyBlogger View Post

          I'm afraid I cannot disclose any of that as free advice here.

          Why would I risk a big chunk of my income?

          Nevertheless, blogging also gives me huge revenue. It really just takes a lot of time and effort. Ultimately, everything WILL pay off.

          -wittyblogger
          NP, As you feel comfortable. I visited your blog and read "your first $100 day article".. seems very good and invested.

          I'll read some more.. I like your attitude! Thx!
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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    There are tons of big fish here.

    Few will come out to tell you how big they are, because honestly, that is in bad taste.

    Those who come out to say how much they earn, typically won't be the big fish.

    I suspect that you are hoping the big fish will tell you how they make their money, so that you can choose to get into their niche. And for that very reason, most of the big fish are tight-lipped with the details concerning how they make the big bucks.

    What the big fish will tell you is principles for success, and one of those principles is that they worked really hard to get what they have.
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    • Profile picture of the author legalbear
      Originally Posted by tpw View Post

      I suspect that you are hoping the big fish will tell you how they make their money, so that you can choose to get into their niche. And for that very reason, most of the big fish are tight-lipped with the details concerning how they make the big bucks.
      I've attended quite a few internet marketing seminars and this describes my experience. Most of the gurus will only tell you what they do around the fringes. They don't need 500 seminar attendees, or, a bunch of Warrior Forum members to become their competition. Where you see what they are really doing to make their money is on the net itself. There, they are very high profile. You have to put two and two together; something like, in the seminar they said this, and, this site has the earmarks of what they were talking about.
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  • Profile picture of the author loi77
    Adult business was not for me and I dropped it 3 times and found myself getting to it, because I needed the money. Then one day came and I became Christian and couldn't remain hypocrite. With one hand in the church and the other in the porn industry.. So I pressed the delete button on EVERYTHING I have build. I deleted a site I was working on 8 month that only sitting on the net, untouched brought $150-200/month.
    Wow, I salute you for your honesty and integrity!
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    • Profile picture of the author kvb
      Originally Posted by loi77 View Post

      Wow, I salute you for your honesty and integrity!
      Thanks. I guess those are some of the personal characteristics I have grown over time.
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      • Profile picture of the author loi77
        Originally Posted by kvb View Post

        Thanks. I guess those are some of the personal characteristics I have grown over time.
        You are definitely on the right path now.

        Way to go, man!

        I sincerely wish you all the very best for the future.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
    This question has been asked a thousand times on this forum.

    To date not a single so-called "big hitter" has responded.

    Except me...

    I earn $367,897,431.89 selling 99 cent reports on eBay...
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    • Profile picture of the author kvb
      Originally Posted by Tsnyder View Post

      This question has been asked a thousand times on this forum.

      To date not a single so-called "big hitter" has responded.

      Except me...

      I earn $367,897,431.89 selling 99 cent reports on eBay...
      There is nothing HONEST about posting irrelevant nonsense in forums and blogs that have nothing to do with what I'm trying to get help for.

      Or are you trying to make us believe that you sell 367 million $1 reports per year?

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      • Profile picture of the author myob
        Originally Posted by kvb View Post

        are you trying to make us believe that you sell 367 million $1 reports per year?
        The real money actually comes from upsells and offers within the reports, not the reports themselves.
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      • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
        Originally Posted by kvb View Post

        There is nothing HONEST about posting irrelevant nonsense in forums and blogs that have nothing to do with what I'm trying to get help for.

        Or are you trying to make us believe that you sell 367 million $1 reports per year?

        Are you doubting me... or just not getting the point?
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        • Profile picture of the author kvb
          Originally Posted by Tsnyder View Post

          Are you doubting me... or just not getting the point?
          Ok, now I get your point.

          Can you help with some valuable info? The reports is the best way you found?

          Thx.
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    • Profile picture of the author cashp0wer
      I don't feel comfortable saying what I earn each month, but I can say that I do this full-time and have no "day job" in an office somewhere sitting in a cubicle. We live very comfortably and I hope my income to just keep going up in the future.
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      • Profile picture of the author kvb
        Originally Posted by cashp0wer View Post

        I don't feel comfortable saying what I earn each month, but I can say that I do this full-time and have no "day job" in an office somewhere sitting in a cubicle. We live very comfortably and I hope my income to just keep going up in the future.
        I appreciate your grown up response very much, In contrast to those that try to spoil this thread with not so honest comments.
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        • Profile picture of the author tpw
          Originally Posted by kvb View Post

          There is nothing HONEST about posting irrelevant nonsense in forums and blogs that have nothing to do with what I'm trying to get help for.

          Or are you trying to make us believe that you sell 367 million $1 reports per year?

          Originally Posted by kvb View Post

          I appreciate your grown up response very much, In contrast to those that try to spoil this thread with not so honest comments.

          People are always in this forum begging for us "big fish" to tell people how much we make in our businesses.

          Few people are going to tell you that.

          What you need to know is that we are successful in our own niches, and many of us make a comfortable living, even having been without a "job" in many, many years.

          Incidentally, I have not punched a clock for a boss since March of 2005.

          Even if that is not an answer you want to hear, it is an honest answer.

          You are accusing us of "not acting like grown-ups", but if you would think about it, grown-ups don't discuss their actual earnings with anyone other than their spouse, accountant and the IRS.

          Tsnyder told you about his $367 million dollars.

          Then he asked you:

          Originally Posted by Tsnyder View Post

          Are you doubting me... or just not getting the point?
          Then you said:

          Originally Posted by kvb View Post

          Ok, now I get your point.

          Can you help with some valuable info? The reports is the best way you found?

          Thx.

          His original point was that you should not be asking.

          Further, he was explaining that anyone can say anything online about how much they earn, and you would not be able to prove them right or wrong.

          If someone else told you in this thread that they make $50k a year, how would you know that they are telling you the truth?

          LOL

          Tsnyder told you he made $367 million and you believed him...

          So maybe I could tell you that I earned $4.2 billion last month, and maybe you would believe that too?

          Or I could have told you that I haven't kept a job since March of 2005, and I have only made $25 in the time since... But suddenly, given this scenario, maybe my story would stop being believable?

          LOL

          How much we make is all relative.

          If I were to tell you that I earn 6-figures or 7-figures, you have to stop and ask yourself if that is gross or net... You have to ask how much of that went to pay my expenses and how much I was able to take home afterwards...

          If you don't, you have no measure by which to judge my success...

          The bottom line is that whatever business model or niche you undertake, there is most likely someone doing that same business model and niche making a killing online.

          Yet, your results will vary... You may make more or nothing at all... And that is more a measure of you than the business model or niche you choose...

          The best thing you can do for yourself right now is to stop asking people how much they earn doing their business, and start asking yourself if you have what it takes to be truly successful in the business model and niche you choose.
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          • Profile picture of the author kvb
            First of all, thank you for taking the time to write such a long response. I appreciate that!
            Originally Posted by tpw View Post

            You are accusing us of "not acting like grown-ups", but if you would think about it, grown-ups don't discuss their actual earnings with anyone other than their spouse, accountant and the IRS.
            What I tried to say with "grown up response" is that some people that don't want to share, choose to say:
            While I don't feel comfortable saying how much I earn what I can say is 1,2,3...
            On the other hand there were those people that posted obvious jokes with pictures and tried in my opinion confuse and spoil the thread. This is inappropriate and hurt in my opinion the ability of other people to make a constructive contribution to the thread.
            Originally Posted by tpw View Post

            His original point was that you should not be asking.
            First I thought that he was making a joke like others..Then I thought that his point was to say that he's a big fish making millions but don't want to give the exact figures. Only he knows what he meant.
            Originally Posted by tpw View Post

            Tsnyder told you he made $367 million and you believed him...
            Actually, I didn't. But I do respect the fact that he was the first one to come forward and say that he's a big fish, although I didn't get his point at first.
            Originally Posted by tpw View Post

            The bottom line is that whatever business model or niche you undertake, there is most likely someone doing that same business model and niche making a killing online.

            Yet, your results will vary... You may make more or nothing at all... And that is more a measure of you than the business model or niche you choose...

            The best thing you can do for yourself right now is to stop asking people how much they earn doing their business, and start asking yourself if you have what it takes to be truly successful in the business model and niche you choose.
            What I need is HELP in choosing the best business model and niche that suits my skills. That's what I politely asked for.

            It seems I've made a mistake by asking people a direct question about their income level, Which some have interpreted as an invasion of their privacy, and thus the jokes and angry responses.
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            • Profile picture of the author tpw
              Originally Posted by kvb View Post

              What I need is HELP in choosing the best business model and niche that suits my skills.

              But that is something that no one can answer but you.

              No one is as qualified as you are to show you the direction that you should go.

              There is no one "best way" for you to go. There are simply many directions you could go. But, YOU must decide which road to take.

              In 2009, I decided to "redirect" my business. I had several directions in which I could choose to take. In 2010, I wrestled with which of three strong candidates I could choose.

              I finally made my decision, and I am absolutely convinced I made the right choice, even though the other directions would still have made good sense as well.

              Understand that the choices in front of you are many, and most will allow you to achieve your goals. But it is up to YOU and no one else to decide the way you should go.

              The only thing anyone can absolutely tell you is that you should make your choice and then move forward. Don't look back at what could have been. And understand that your success with be measured by YOU, more than any other factor in your business.
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            • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
              Originally Posted by kvb View Post

              On the other hand there were those people that posted obvious jokes with pictures and tried in my opinion confuse and spoil the thread.
              By which you mean, not give you what you wanted.

              You don't get to control public discourse. If you don't like that, don't ask questions in public.

              What I need is HELP in choosing the best business model and niche that suits my skills. That's what I politely asked for.
              If you go to my System Sixty home page at System Sixty you will find a bare download link to Volume 0 of the series that you don't even need to give your email address to get. Right at the top of the page, between the logo and the picture of the stopwatch.

              I have been told by some rather illustrious people that my advice on choosing a niche is the best they have ever seen. So feel free to go grab a copy. You can join a notification list down at the bottom of the page, and even buy volume 3 of the series if you want, but neither of those is necessary to get the part with the niche advice in it.

              (The rest of the series is on hold because I've made a false start with my promotional strategy and have to back up so I can fix it.)

              As far as the best business model, that's something only you can really answer. But if you have the skill of, say, building websites... you can certainly build websites for anyone that comes along like some sort of HTML whore, but you can also specialise in the unique needs of some particular kind of business.

              You could be the guy who does web sites for chiropractors, or for churches, or for affiliate marketers. The business model is really irrelevant to the niche. Whatever niche you choose, there's something you can do which will work.
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              • Profile picture of the author Enfusia
                Hey,
                If someone comes out and says they are a big fish you have a 99.9% chance that they are not.

                Put it this way, if you're banking and you spill the beans on here you will have 500 new competitors by morning. Not only that but it's considered bad form.

                As for what's right for you?
                Only you know that.

                But, my advice (for whatever value you wish to put on it) is; Find one thing that makes you decent residual money and do that over and over and over again. And when you are tired of doing it over and over you're just getting started.

                Stay away from the shiny, shiny's (I.E. magic buttons you push and cash spits out, make 10k with no work etc..). They will only make your wallet skinny.

                After you are good at one thing and making good coin with it, then and only then do 2 things at once. And if you find that you stink at doing two things at the same time, then go back to doing one thing well.

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              • Profile picture of the author MikeTucker
                Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

                If you go to my System Sixty home page at System Sixty you will find a bare download link to Volume 0 of the series that you don't even need to give your email address to get. Right at the top of the page, between the logo and the picture of the stopwatch.

                Wow. Just wow.

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              • Profile picture of the author kvb
                Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

                If you go to my System Sixty home page at System Sixty you will find a bare download link to Volume 0 of the series that you don't even need to give your email address to get. Right at the top of the page, between the logo and the picture of the stopwatch.

                I have been told by some rather illustrious people that my advice on choosing a niche is the best they have ever seen. So feel free to go grab a copy. You can join a notification list down at the bottom of the page, and even buy volume 3 of the series if you want, but neither of those is necessary to get the part with the niche advice in it.

                (The rest of the series is on hold because I've made a false start with my promotional strategy and have to back up so I can fix it.)
                I downloaded your volume0 and read first 15pages by now, with the niche advice. I think it's great. Thanks.

                To tell you the truth man.. You are the biggest surprise for me in this thread. I don't know if that's your picture in the avatar or you have just a good sense of humor.. but you shattered my first impression of you with this "honest-to-God" free giveaway. I expected the least from you to help. I guess it's the first impression stereotype. I'll consider buying the third volume after I finish reading this one.
                Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

                As far as the best business model, that's something only you can really answer. But if you have the skill of, say, building websites... you can certainly build websites for anyone that comes along like some sort of HTML whore, but you can also specialise in the unique needs of some particular kind of business.

                You could be the guy who does web sites for chiropractors, or for churches, or for affiliate marketers. The business model is really irrelevant to the niche. Whatever niche you choose, there's something you can do which will work.
                Yes. I know to build websites in Dreamweaver. That's what I worked with. But building websites for others is method of work, not really a business.

                Once you stop doing it, the income stops. It doesn't have a life of it's own. Like say a website that sits the net and people buy e-book, no matter whether you work or sleep.

                If I was in a position of no work at all. This could have been definitely an option. Much more sense is to build websites for myself at this point.

                One idea that crossed my mind while reading your niche chapter, your advice about what you think most every day....and with the obesity problem.. I actually have a health issue that's related to the root causes of obesity (I'm not fat myself) that I have done a lot of research about in the last couple of years.

                I think I can help a lot with the info I was able to dig on the obesity problem. This I would do actually gladly and it will motivate me very much. This will help people and bring value to their life's and also it will help me make money online and leave my day job at some point hopefully.

                What I'm really lacking is a system of marketing that works today. I mean, what are the options that work? for example:
                website>articles>link building>cpa offer
                or
                landing pages>ebook
                or
                maybe blogs and social marketing?

                What I wanted to know is what people do.. because there are methods that simply don't work and have been tried.
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                • Profile picture of the author tpw
                  Originally Posted by kvb View Post

                  I know to build websites in Dreamweaver. That's what I worked with. But building websites for others is method of work, not really a business.

                  Once you stop doing it, the income stops. It doesn't have a life of it's own. Like say a website that sits the net and people buy e-book, no matter whether you work or sleep.

                  ...

                  What I wanted to know is what people do.. because there are methods that simply don't work and have been tried.

                  Yes, you are right. Some things you do online are jobs. Other things are businesses.

                  You are ahead of the game in that you know where the real money is -- it is for business owners, not mechanics.

                  On your last comment, just because something has been tried does not mean that it will not work.

                  It simply means that someone has tried it before, and the reality is that there are people who have turned those things into a business and they have profited handsomely in doing so.

                  Even with your example of building websites, Webs.com is a company who has taken web design and turned it into a million-dollar business. See their About Us page here for more details:
                  Company Overview - Webs.com

                  Your perception of what constitutes a business and one that is worth pursuing may need some work. But, you at least have the idea that you will want to build a business rather than to create a job for yourself.
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                • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
                  Originally Posted by kvb View Post

                  To tell you the truth man.. You are the biggest surprise for me in this thread. I don't know if that's your picture in the avatar or you have just a good sense of humor.. but you shattered my first impression of you with this "honest-to-God" free giveaway.
                  Yeah, that's my picture. Most people don't really know what to make of me. Even when they've known me for years.

                  Once you stop doing it, the income stops. It doesn't have a life of it's own.
                  I hear what you're saying. The hands-free business is exactly the kind of thing I've been trying to build for the past three years. I know how to do it - what all the parts are, how it fits together - but I've made about a half-dozen runs at it and borked it up every time. I've watched a lot of other people build this sort of thing, too. The machinery is only a small part of the equation.

                  Of course, the good news is that all this time working on it has led to a lot of pretty solid knowledge on how to build a business that takes frequent maintenance. Trouble is, I'm not that guy... I have days (and weeks, and sometimes months) where I just can't do squat. I lose my motivation and focus.

                  So anything like the "own your job" method or a frequent-maintenance sort of business doesn't work for me. It's not a flaw in the system; if there's a flaw, it's in me. But working around and through and within your own capabilities is always the hard part.

                  What I'm really lacking is a system of marketing that works today.
                  I'm of the opinion that the core systems, the fundamentals, have been pretty much the same since the 1920s. All that's really changed is the machinery. People still respond to the same sales messages, have the same psychology, and are interested in the same subjects.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kal Sallam
    Enough to pay the bills, and I have a ton of bills!
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  • Profile picture of the author marketwarrior06
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    For the last two months its about 1K and before than it was just a few $$$
    But in future i will also become a big fish
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  • Profile picture of the author JDub07
    Just small amounts but am working on a strategy to start making a considerable amount of money.
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  • Profile picture of the author aaalexan
    I was earning about 50k for past 6 years selling digital downloads from my own website, no eBay, no affiliates, no clickbank, just PayPal. Unfortunately the business is slowing down considerably.
    It is important to mention that I was getting my main traffic using Googl's AdWords.
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    • Profile picture of the author kvb
      Originally Posted by aaalexan View Post

      I was earning about 50k for past 6 years selling digital downloads from my own website, no eBay, no affiliates, no clickbank, just PayPal. Unfortunately the business is slowing down considerably.
      It is important to mention that I was getting my main traffic using Googl's AdWords.
      That's interesting and original. What kind of downloads? You made your own content?
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      • Profile picture of the author aaalexan
        Originally Posted by kvb View Post

        That's interesting and original. What kind of downloads? You made your own content?
        I'm not ready to discuss the details of my business yet, but I'll share some more real marketing information. My business was heavily depended from Google policies, as I suspect many of online businesses are. In normal situation I was getting about 1000 unique visitors a day. From which about 250 from organic traffic ( my website was sharing 1st 2nd and 3rd places in Google's organic search for my main keywords), next I was getting 50 visitors directly and 50 visitors from referrers. For the rest 650 visits I was paying to Google AdWords. In 2005, when I've started I was paying 1c to 5c for a visitor. Now Google ask me to pay from 15c to 1$ for my keywords which I'm not able to do and stay profitable at the same time.
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeTucker
    I sincerely hope nobody here is actually making any money. It is illegal in most countries to do so. Here in the USA for example, only Congress can grant the right to make money, and they pretty much only share it with their wife (the Federal Reserve).

    Making money would be illegal, unethical, and would hurt the economy, causing sharp inflation in these hard times. Just say "No"!


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  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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    On top of Bill's advice, I'll add this: how is knowing the income of other marketers going to help you decide what is best for you? No one's results are typical. All an income figure will allow you to do is say "Oh, nice. Joe makes $xx,xxx per month. Wish I could do that."

    The number is pretty much useless to anyone but the IRS, and whoever has access to my bank accounts.
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  • Profile picture of the author kirzacash
    I earned 50 $ a day...
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    I'm currently making $5 a week (
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    • Profile picture of the author legalbear
      Originally Posted by Jayne Miracle View Post

      I'm currently making $5 a week (
      OK, but you don't say your path to this fabulous sum??

      We want to know what you do with the money. :rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author legalbear
    Originally Posted by kvb View Post

    The key to success in quality engineering and management is:
    "Doing the Right thing, Right, Right the first time."
    A couple days ago I was on the phone with someone who fixed my computer the first time we met. I believe him when he tells me he now makes >$27,000 a month. He no longer fixes computers for a living. I saw his progress. He was telling me he wanted to try something new to make money selling leads off the net and see if it worked. I replied, "You're just failing your way to success." You know what, he heartily agreed.

    Most likely, you will not do it right the first time. Like him, you will try stuff and see if it WORKS FOR YOU! If not, you will run back at it from a different direction.
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    • Profile picture of the author kvb
      Originally Posted by legalbear View Post

      A couple days ago I was on the phone with someone who fixed my computer the first time we met. I believe him when he tells me he now makes >$27,000 a month. He no longer fixes computers for a living. I saw his progress. He was telling me he wanted to try something new to make money selling leads off the net and see if it worked. I replied, "You're just failing your way to success." You know what, he heartily agreed.

      Most likely, you will not do it right the first time. Like him, you will try stuff and see if it WORKS FOR YOU! If not, you will run back at it from a different direction.
      When you try to develop something new then yes, there is a painful way of trial and error.
      But when you are following a known and proved process. You can make it from the first time if you plan and do it right.

      I will tell you more than this. Nicola Tesla had the ability to invent, improve and perfect his invention in his mind and when he built it the first time, it just worked. This is what's called a Genius.

      Doing the Right thing doesn't mean you don't have failures. It means that you are engaged in the Right process and on the right way. When the process is finished, then you have your success.

      The whole point of this thread was to see what processes people use to generate certain level's of income. In other words to see process capability. Because not every process has the same potential. I know it's all depends on a LOT of factors and it's not a scientific stuff at all. But to get an rough estimate.

      For example: Someone building 1000 websites and makes couple of thousands, and someone making 10 websites with different marketing technique and making x15 times more money. This with the same investment of time. This is the difference in methods, considering the fact that both people have the skills and work as hard.

      I don't really care about knowing how much a certain individual makes, It makes me no difference. Also I didn't ask for peoples keywords or exact niches they use, so I can copy them. The point was to see what ways.. what to sell and what value offer to build is up to me of course.
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  • Profile picture of the author legalbear
    Originally Posted by kvb View Post

    The key to success in quality engineering and management is:
    "Doing the Right thing, Right, Right the first time."
    >$27,000 a month guy story:

    He had experience removing viruses.

    He got hooked up initially with an organization that closed their membership offer; I think it was called PLR Pros. They taught how to make full use of private label rights articles to drive traffic to your site.

    He set up sites selling virus removal software. He established his credibility by offering them info on how to remove the virus for free; it would just take a long time.

    As an alternative time saver, he offered them software that would save them time.

    He used what PLR Pros taught to use articles, submitted to article directories, to drive traffic to his sites and move up in the search engines.
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  • Profile picture of the author legalbear
    Originally Posted by kvb View Post

    Any BIG fish here?
    I don't know if they are here, but, I actually ate with many of the biggest fish out there. The very first internet marketing seminar I want to was put on in Vegas by Carl Galletti, a well known copy writer who fired all his clients to get into internet marketing. I got the invitation from Traffic Geyser. They offered to buy me dinner if I would buy a ticket to the Super Internet Marketing Seminar being put on by Galletti. Eating dinner with the founders of Traffic Geyser was :rolleyes: VERY :rolleyes: interesting to me and a ticket to Vegas is cheap from Colorado, so I went. Turns out, Carl is well connected and he brought in all the biggest names in internet marketing and each day we ate lunch with them.
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      • Profile picture of the author tpw
        Originally Posted by legalbear View Post

        :confused: Did you notice?

        Did you notice that you are having a conversation with yourself?

        A conversation that holds little relevance in the conversation that everyone else is having?
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            • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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              Originally Posted by tpw View Post

              I guess you overlooked that everyone in this thread is responding to what someone else said, and you are responding primarily to what you said?
              This.

              Anyways Joe, how was your morning?

              It was good, thanks. Had some Lucky Charms for breakfast.
              That's kid cereal, Joe. Grow up.

              Screw you Joe. Everyone hates you.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          Part of the issue with his path is that things have changed since he made his initial foray into internet marketing.
          Things change all the time. He said he was active 12 years ago - that was before bum marketing and all the focus on article directories, etc. Only a few of us bothered with articles 12 years ago. SEO was different, backlinking was different...doesn't matter as it no longer applies.

          The OP doesn't need to know what changes have occurred - he just need to hunker down and learn how things are done NOW.
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          • Profile picture of the author MikeTucker
            Originally Posted by kvb View Post

            What I need is HELP in choosing the best business model and niche that suits my skills. That's what I politely asked for.

            It seems I've made a mistake by asking people a direct question about their income level, Which some have interpreted as an invasion of their privacy, and thus the jokes and angry responses.
            Nobody here can tell you whether you should open a gas station, a McDonalds, a shopping mall, an oil company, or a quiet little bakery.

            Only you know your skills and desires well enough to know that.
            Only you can make the decision, and what we are doing doesn't matter.

            FYI, it is silly to ask about peoples' income in a public forum, and that is why you got so many silly answers. (I didn't see anyone angry,btw?)

            If you aren't getting the answers you want, then you are probably asking the wrong questions. You should probably be asking someone to help you identify your skills.







            ...On another note...

            Originally Posted by Joe Robinson View Post

            If you really don't get that, there isn't anyone here who can really help you; and we're sorry for that.




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  • Profile picture of the author Chri5123
    I will answer this with a question to the OP:

    "Would it really help you if you know how much people are making online?"

    You must have some preconceptions?

    People not making as much as they say they are?

    The only people making money online are people selling guides on how to make money online?

    You can't run a "proper" business online?

    What I can tell you is that I broke 6 figures last year with all gross income from IM - not ALL of it was profit but pretty damm close.

    It was in pound sterling as well.

    Also 70% of that was from the non-IM niche.

    Hope that helps?

    Just have a look around you - people ARE making money and sometimes it is who you think would be least likely too!

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    • Profile picture of the author kvb
      Originally Posted by Chri5123 View Post

      I will answer this with a question to the OP:

      "Would it really help you if you know how much people are making online?"

      You must have some preconceptions?

      People not making as much as they say they are?

      The only people making money online are people selling guides on how to make money online?

      You can't run a "proper" business online?

      What I can tell you is that I broke 6 figures last year with all gross income from IM - not ALL of it was profit but pretty damm close.

      It was in pound sterling as well.

      Also 70% of that was from the non-IM niche.

      Hope that helps?

      Just have a look around you - people ARE making money and sometimes it is who you think would be least likely too!

      Chris
      I have answered you in above post. I didn't ask to know your niche, I don't need to exactly know what you sell. I asked people to share HOW they do it. you know... ebooks, website, free traffic, facebook ppc with some other factor...that's what is interesting. Different people here make money on different ways.

      Knowing the different ways that WORK TODAY will tremendously help me cut my research efforts and will prevent me from a lot of "inventing the wheel" failures.

      I do appreciate and respect everyone that's trying to help! Thx!
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  • Profile picture of the author theory expert
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    Internetsuccess:

    I understand what you mean.

    For instance, criminals get into illegal businesses because they clearly see what money is involved in their chosen profession/industry.

    However, it is harder to decipher an online activity unless you know someone personally, or, you know what to look for to figure out a best estimate of what is being made in a particular niche.

    Someone new wouldn't know, so, they ask hoping for some sort of consensus to get an idea of what is being made.
    You can find plenty of income claims in a sales letter, but, in the main forum, where people want to keep good standing with the community there will be less smoke and mirror BS responses.

    I get that.
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  • Profile picture of the author andrewrasel
    I am newbie in internet. I want to earn money but my income is zero now.
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  • Profile picture of the author creditbuilder
    I just joined the warrior forum and am excited to see what awaits!
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  • Profile picture of the author Bomber
    I made $1000USD yesterday with Binary Options. Does that count?
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  • Profile picture of the author kvb
    Thanks for all the positive feedback people have left! Going to sleep, It's 1.35AM here and I need to wake at 5AM...I'm going to be a bit cooked today..LOL.
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  • Profile picture of the author celente
    Do not be sad $5 is a great start. Just see if you can upscale your efforts.

    Many people do not get to earning their first $5 online, because they do not take action, so consider youself to be over teh lazy hump. Do not give up, keep at it, keep at it, and chisel away. I would suggest to put yourself around people earning more than you, I mean meet with them, see what they are doing and incorporate their ideas into your business. I hang out with richer people than me, success breeds success as they say and my income shot up pretty quick when I started learnign stuff they were doing. ..... infact it will make your mind boggle.
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  • Profile picture of the author vamert1986
    When I was in eighth grade I was assigned a project on budgeting. We had been told to go dwelling, ask our parents just how much revenue they created, and come up using a price range depending on these numbers. I recall in the time I was as well shy and also knew improved than to ask my dad just how much revenue he created. I knew that was a taboo topic. I ended up producing up a number I believed was a very good salary and went with that. A handful of years ago, my dad shared some economic information and facts with me and told me not to tell my mother. I laughed, listened to what he had to say, then kept it to myself.

    I've turned to my parents for economic tips lots of instances. What's definitely funny is the fact that they do not know just how much revenue Mr. Revenue and I make. Having said that, my "adopted parents" do for the reason that they enable us just about every year with our taxes. It does not really feel weird at all recognizing that they know just how much revenue we make, but I just about do not want my parents (or my inlaws) recognizing just how much revenue we make. I guess it is as even though I really feel like they assume that we make extra revenue than we do and I do not choose to disappoint them.

    I consider it is exciting to try and guess peoples' salaries. I honestly do not consider I'd choose to know just how much revenue people today created, primarily close friends or household members. I consider after you know as well substantially about someone's finances in some cases it may result in jealousy and challenges. As an example, if I had $2,000 in my emergency fund and my buddy knew it and was going by means of a tricky time they may perhaps ask to borrow revenue. If I decided to turn them down for the reason that I consider you'll want to under no circumstances let close friends borrow revenue, then the buddy may perhaps consider I'm cruel and heartless for the reason that I've denied them a loan. If they didn't know just how much revenue we had inside the initially spot that wouldn't be an issue.

    I'm proud of just how much revenue I make but I also do not consider it is that terrific of an quantity. My husband tends to make extra revenue than me, and we are able to unquestionably reside off it, but by no signifies are we rolling inside the dough. He's worked pretty difficult to get exactly where he is and I'm pretty proud that he loves what he does, so I consider that is worth over him operating a job he hated but producing $20,000 extra a year. I'd rather have him content than wealthy and miserable.

    I consider it is funny how revenue is usually such a taboo topic. I choose to help keep our salaries to ourselves but lots of other individuals do not thoughts sharing just how much revenue they make every year and that is fine. To every single their very own. I'm curious if I'm inside the majority or the minority. I know my household is pretty private in regards to the numerical facts of their finances, but I know that is likely not the case with all households.
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  • Profile picture of the author ultimates
    I really do not feel comfortable about saying how much I make each month. But I will tell you that I have been full-time online for over 6 years now and growing each year.

    The hardest thing about trying to start somewhere online is getting out of the daydream of finding out what others are making. Start something, even if it's a fiverr gig, and start earning at least a hundred or two online and grow from there. As long as you take a steady incline in growth each month or year, then you will do good, no matter how much you make
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    • Profile picture of the author kvb
      Originally Posted by ultimates View Post

      The hardest thing about trying to start somewhere online is getting out of the daydream of finding out what others are making. Start something, even if it's a fiverr gig, and start earning at least a hundred or two online and grow from there. As long as you take a steady incline in growth each month or year, then you will do good, no matter how much you make
      I wish I could afford myself to approach all this with such an ease...
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  • Profile picture of the author Elvis Michael
    KVB, unfortunately its hard to point out what is working right now in the IM world. Most things work; it's only a matter of executing your strategies wisely. Sadly, wisdom HAS to come from research, time and experience.

    Explore all areas of this forum and read the many threads available. Here's a tip: Head over to the Mind Warriors section, where people sometimes reveal their success stories in an effort to motivate others. I believe this is what you were looking for all along

    If you also head over to the AdSense section there's a long discussion about a successful guy who went from $0 to $2000 in 3 months building simple niche blogs. Go have a read and little by little you will put all the pieces together.

    Finally, you should also stop for a moment and think about your talents. What can you do?

    Design websites?
    Write articles?
    Copyediting?
    Promotions?
    Maybe you have a large following on your FB or Twitter account?

    Once you figure out your talents, put them to good use. For example, head over to Fiverr and promote your stuff. Start writing short ebooks and publish them on Kindle/Nook if you're a good writer. The money will slowly increase if you play your cards right.

    There will be trial and error, so good old fashioned research is the best way to go.
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    • Profile picture of the author kvb
      Originally Posted by Diablo2 View Post

      KVB, unfortunately its hard to point out what is working right now in the IM world. Most things work; it's only a matter of executing your strategies wisely. Sadly, wisdom HAS to come from research, time and experience.
      You so right about this. I guess I'll have to do a research project before I finally decide on a strategy.
      Originally Posted by Diablo2 View Post

      Explore all areas of this forum and read the many threads available. Here's a tip: Head over to the Mind Warriors section, where people sometimes reveal their success stories in an effort to motivate others. I believe this is what you were looking for all along
      Thank you. I will check that!
      Originally Posted by Diablo2 View Post

      If you also head over to the AdSense section there's a long discussion about a successful guy who went from $0 to $2000 in 3 months building simple niche blogs. Go have a read and little by little you will put all the pieces together.
      Thanks a lot for that heads up. This is exactly what I need. I'll read that.
      Originally Posted by Diablo2 View Post

      Finally, you should also stop for a moment and think about your talents. What can you do?

      Design websites?
      Write articles?
      Copyediting?
      Promotions?
      Maybe you have a large following on your FB or Twitter account?

      Once you figure out your talents, put them to good use. For example, head over to Fiverr and promote your stuff. Start writing short ebooks and publish them on Kindle/Nook if you're a good writer. The money will slowly increase if you play your cards right.
      That's called SWOT. Strengths, Weaknesses, Opportunities and Threats analysis. This is done in serious organizations and applies also to people.
      Originally Posted by Diablo2 View Post

      There will be trial and error, so good old fashioned research is the best way to go.
      Yep. You are right. I need to do some more digging up. Thanks.
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