Advice for a Beginner

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Hello warriors!

I'm just getting into IM, been lurking for a while and I'm ready to jump into it. I'm currently a web programmer but I don't know much about the money angle, just the coding angle :p

I actually started a couple of small blogs a year or so ago but never really maintained them, haven't made more than a few bucks on AdSense.

I know this isn't something that can be explained in a paragraph or two, I'm just hoping to be pointed in the right direction! Books, e-books, blogs, forums to read. I know some of the guys on here have ebooks but there are so many I have no idea which to choose.

I am not looking for a get rich quick thing here! I'm looking for long term strategies for passive income.

Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
    Originally Posted by Freedom66K View Post

    I actually started a couple of small blogs a year or so ago but never really maintained them, haven't made more than a few bucks on AdSense.
    Hi,

    If these small blogs were bringing in money, no matter how little, why did you not maintain and improve on them? Just curious.

    Mark
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    • Profile picture of the author Freedom66K
      Wow, good number of responses here, much appreciated.

      Originally Posted by Mark Singletary View Post

      Hi,

      If these small blogs were bringing in money, no matter how little, why did you not maintain and improve on them? Just curious.

      Mark
      Well I definitely plan to, but the income wasn't even worth the time that I spent writing. They weren't in the best paying niches though, so I'll have to learn my way around finding the best industries to get into.

      Originally Posted by seeksucces View Post

      Don't let anyone tell you it is going to be easy. Making money online is difficult, takes a lot of time and work, and requires a lot of experience. There is no secret to 'making money.' Go read Ayn Rand, 'Atlas Shrugged', which is a book that tells it how it is when it comes to making money. Those who work really hard, and are willing to provide value to others are the ones who make the big bucks. If you are capable of this, and do this, that is where you are going to end up with the million dollar house on the beach.
      One of my favorite books.

      Originally Posted by Randohm View Post

      The biggest mistake I've made and something very common for many is chasing every new "gimmick" and not working enough at any one of them. What is your niche? What is your business model? SO often people are confused about where to start so they procrastinate by trying to research everything first before they make their decision. By the time they finish reading all the ebooks, listening to all the audio and watching all the video you can download in just a few hours their will be new "gimmicks" that are even more promising than anything else you've ever heard of. Just pick something and ignore all IM offers and gurus touting anything else until after you've succeeded with it. You're probably already familiar with this. It is probably the reason you've been "lurking". Decide to be a master and not a dabbler and make it happen. Good luck!
      Yep, I know what that's like. That's been my problem in and out of the IM thing. But I learned my lesson a long time ago about buying ebook after ebook without actually making any progress, I have to do something - I just don't want to go from crawling straight to running blindly - that's not as bad, but almost as bad.

      Originally Posted by seeksucces View Post

      I would actually say from all my experience that probably the most intelligent one is the person who ignores all the IM products out there and just tries article marketing, tries Adsense, tries PPC, tries blogging for themselves. Take advantage of your own destany. I feel like you will be so much better off doing the opposite of everyone else and ignoring IM ebooks. The funny thing is, the next time someone tries to sell you some IM crap, go spend some time building your blog and doing real research instead. I guarantee this will benefit you a lot more.
      Agreed. I've never trusted those things. I mean, if some guy has a way to make $8,000 a month on autopilot, why the hell isn't he just doing that instead of giving away his secret for $19.99 or whatever?

      I like to think long term. Web sites to me feel like real estate, except you can build them indefinitely. Once you're sitting on a ton of traffic, you've got a nice asset you can monetize (rent) or sell. I don't need to get rich tomorrow or even this decade. Just invest, grow value, and be patient.

      Originally Posted by retsced View Post

      Making money online is only difficult when you get the wrong advice. Be very careful who you listen to. When i first started out I was introduced to a very well known marketer who thought me how to make money online. I bought his course, went through it with a fine tooth comb and implemented his strategies. I made about $100 within the first 6 months and put a hell of a lot of work into it. Do you know what? The advice was bloody awful for creating a long term business.

      If you are looking to set up a lot of sites, create lots of content and build lots of backlinks to rank that content...then best of luck, you will most definitely need it.

      I used to read all the BS saying that most people fail online because threy give up, that is a very bad assessment of why people REALLY fail to make money online. The main reason people fail is because 99% of the information floating around is garbage, and 99% of the people out there are still using it. When they don't see results from implementing this garbage information they then tell you that internet marketing is hard...bulls**t!!

      It took me about a year to wake up to all this nonsense. If you are serious about setting up a sustainable business then your focus should be solely based around learning marketing...attraction marketing to be exact.

      The truth is, affiliate marketing is very difficult and time consuming when you are implementing the wrong strategies. The fastest way to making money online is this...

      1) set up an autoresponder

      1) Find a quality product to promote

      2) Set up a squeeze page to capture leads

      3) Drive traffic to that squeeze page through forum, social and solo ad marketing

      4) When you capture email addresses, provide FREE incredible value to that list either through a 7 day video course, ebooks etc

      5) Promote that quality product after you build trust by providing INCREDIBLE FREE value

      There's a bit of a learning curve to the above strategy but it is only a fraction of the learning curve compared to building sites, creating content and searching for baclinks.

      The only push button money making system out there is your list...which is your asset. Be smart and think of your long term goal and strategy.

      Forum marketing should only take 30 minutes a day. Social marketing should only take you 30 minutes a day. Solo advertising & banner advertising should only take you 10 minutes to set up.

      I could do all my marketing in less than 2 hours a day overall and create 10 times the wealth than I would have achieved by creating websites, writing content and building links. Remember, your main goal is to build a list, provide value to that list and eventually sell to that list after they know and trust you.

      If you're only starting out I recommend you invest the time now to learn marketing. Master this skill and you will be ahead of 99% of every other so called affiliate marketer on the net.

      If you have no money to pay for advertising then go out and get a part time job to fund it. This is a real business and if you think you can succeed without investing money into it, then your mindset is all wrong.

      I can understand that a lot of people out there take a year or two before they start to gain traction and begin to make money, the reason is that they have it all wrong. It should take no more than 6 months to earn a full time income if you have the right strategy, mindset and the willingness to invest in your business at all costs.

      Sell membership subscriptions to your prospective customers to build residual income. (can you find 200 people in 6 months on the whole internet to sign up for a quality membership site that gets you $20 commission every month from each person?, if you don't think you can do that then get your head straight. 200 people on the whole internet is bloody simple if you have the right strategy)

      Sell high ticket items that get you $1000 commissions for each sale. Do you think it's possible to sell 4 of these products a month? of course it's possible, there are plenty of people on the whole internet that purchase high ticket items...think "travel industry etc)

      You can also be promoting $20 dollar products along with the above to your list for extra income.

      You will find it difficult to implement the above strategies without building a list, but i'm sure you can see the potential in it...yes?

      Slow and steady wins the race...B****x!! quick and painless by implementing the right strategies and investing time and money into your business over the next 6 months wins the race, and it has been doing that for all the big boys for years.

      So, what's your goal? to make a living promoting sh***y clickbank products on websites that took you forever to get to the top of the serps? or to look into what i have laid out in this post?

      The choice is yours, you will have to learn this stuff of course, but believe me, the pay off is incredible if you understand how to really make money online. Stop listening to the majority because it is the MINORITY that are making it big.
      Well said! Slow and steady is just what I was thinking.

      Originally Posted by Les Blythe View Post

      The above is excellent advice from retsced.

      Focus on the medium to long term, give value and build a list.

      The only thing I would add to that is perhaps consider making your own product when you are comfortable doing so. Like your list that is an asset for the long term and coupled with a membership site you are creating a solid business vehicle.

      Good luck with all your online efforts.
      This is what I was thinking about doing, with my programming skills I can put out a wordpress plugin or script, but I absolutely SUCK at design, it's a hopeless skill for me, and the thing is that design and ui go hand in hand with creating a well converting site. I can always hire someone to do that though and/or use paid themes.
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    Why don't you looking for a partner for a JV? I know there's a lot of marketer looking for a JV, I think its a good action to initiate jump on it,
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  • Profile picture of the author seeksucces
    Originally Posted by Freedom66K View Post

    Hello warriors!

    I'm just getting into IM, been lurking for a while and I'm ready to jump into it. I'm currently a web programmer but I don't know much about the money angle, just the coding angle :p

    I actually started a couple of small blogs a year or so ago but never really maintained them, haven't made more than a few bucks on AdSense.

    I know this isn't something that can be explained in a paragraph or two, I'm just hoping to be pointed in the right direction! Books, e-books, blogs, forums to read. I know some of the guys on here have ebooks but there are so many I have no idea which to choose.

    I am not looking for a get rich quick thing here! I'm looking for long term strategies for passive income.

    Thanks!
    Don't let anyone tell you it is going to be easy. Making money online is difficult, takes a lot of time and work, and requires a lot of experience. There is no secret to 'making money.' Go read Ayn Rand, 'Atlas Shrugged', which is a book that tells it how it is when it comes to making money. Those who work really hard, and are willing to provide value to others are the ones who make the big bucks. If you are capable of this, and do this, that is where you are going to end up with the million dollar house on the beach.
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      You can also read "Atlas Shrugged" in about the time it takes to really get going. lol
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  • Profile picture of the author Randohm
    The biggest mistake I've made and something very common for many is chasing every new "gimmick" and not working enough at any one of them. What is your niche? What is your business model? SO often people are confused about where to start so they procrastinate by trying to research everything first before they make their decision. By the time they finish reading all the ebooks, listening to all the audio and watching all the video you can download in just a few hours their will be new "gimmicks" that are even more promising than anything else you've ever heard of. Just pick something and ignore all IM offers and gurus touting anything else until after you've succeeded with it. You're probably already familiar with this. It is probably the reason you've been "lurking". Decide to be a master and not a dabbler and make it happen. Good luck!
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    • Profile picture of the author seeksucces
      Originally Posted by Randohm View Post

      The biggest mistake I've made and something very common for many is chasing every new "gimmick" and not working enough at any one of them. What is your niche? What is your business model? SO often people are confused about where to start so they procrastinate by trying to research everything first before they make their decision. By the time they finish reading all the ebooks, listening to all the audio and watching all the video you can download in just a few hours their will be new "gimmicks" that are even more promising than anything else you've ever heard of. Just pick something and ignore all IM offers and gurus touting anything else until after you've succeeded with it. You're probably already familiar with this. It is probably the reason you've been "lurking". Decide to be a master and not a dabbler and make it happen. Good luck!
      I would actually say from all my experience that probably the most intelligent one is the person who ignores all the IM products out there and just tries article marketing, tries Adsense, tries PPC, tries blogging for themselves. Take advantage of your own destany. I feel like you will be so much better off doing the opposite of everyone else and ignoring IM ebooks. The funny thing is, the next time someone tries to sell you some IM crap, go spend some time building your blog and doing real research instead. I guarantee this will benefit you a lot more.

      The funny thing about this is that I am not selling any products. I don't care to. I care to give real information and tell it how it is. Something that unfortunately most people on IM forums and blogs BS you into buying something or signing up on some stupid list. These ideas are bound to fail.

      Go look at a real entreprenuer, Gary Vaynerchuck; he built is businesses by real hard work and by providing value. How come so many people try to trick customers into lists, and ebooks, and all that jazz? I wish I could just tell everyone straight up, STOP WASTING YOUR TIME AND BENEFIT OTHERS IF YOU WANT TO MAKE MONEY. There is no hidden secret. Good luck to all of you. I really want everyone out there to succeed.
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  • Profile picture of the author retsced
    Making money online is only difficult when you get the wrong advice. Be very careful who you listen to. When i first started out I was introduced to a very well known marketer who thought me how to make money online. I bought his course, went through it with a fine tooth comb and implemented his strategies. I made about $100 within the first 6 months and put a hell of a lot of work into it. Do you know what? The advice was bloody awful for creating a long term business.

    If you are looking to set up a lot of sites, create lots of content and build lots of backlinks to rank that content...then best of luck, you will most definitely need it.

    I used to read all the BS saying that most people fail online because threy give up, that is a very bad assessment of why people REALLY fail to make money online. The main reason people fail is because 99% of the information floating around is garbage, and 99% of the people out there are still using it. When they don't see results from implementing this garbage information they then tell you that internet marketing is hard...bulls**t!!

    It took me about a year to wake up to all this nonsense. If you are serious about setting up a sustainable business then your focus should be solely based around learning marketing...attraction marketing to be exact.

    The truth is, affiliate marketing is very difficult and time consuming when you are implementing the wrong strategies. The fastest way to making money online is this...

    1) set up an autoresponder

    1) Find a quality product to promote

    2) Set up a squeeze page to capture leads

    3) Drive traffic to that squeeze page through forum, social and solo ad marketing

    4) When you capture email addresses, provide FREE incredible value to that list either through a 7 day video course, ebooks etc

    5) Promote that quality product after you build trust by providing INCREDIBLE FREE value

    There's a bit of a learning curve to the above strategy but it is only a fraction of the learning curve compared to building sites, creating content and searching for baclinks.

    The only push button money making system out there is your list...which is your asset. Be smart and think of your long term goal and strategy.

    Forum marketing should only take 30 minutes a day. Social marketing should only take you 30 minutes a day. Solo advertising & banner advertising should only take you 10 minutes to set up.

    I could do all my marketing in less than 2 hours a day overall and create 10 times the wealth than I would have achieved by creating websites, writing content and building links. Remember, your main goal is to build a list, provide value to that list and eventually sell to that list after they know and trust you.

    If you're only starting out I recommend you invest the time now to learn marketing. Master this skill and you will be ahead of 99% of every other so called affiliate marketer on the net.

    If you have no money to pay for advertising then go out and get a part time job to fund it. This is a real business and if you think you can succeed without investing money into it, then your mindset is all wrong.

    I can understand that a lot of people out there take a year or two before they start to gain traction and begin to make money, the reason is that they have it all wrong. It should take no more than 6 months to earn a full time income if you have the right strategy, mindset and the willingness to invest in your business at all costs.

    Sell membership subscriptions to your prospective customers to build residual income. (can you find 200 people in 6 months on the whole internet to sign up for a quality membership site that gets you $20 commission every month from each person?, if you don't think you can do that then get your head straight. 200 people on the whole internet is bloody simple if you have the right strategy)

    Sell high ticket items that get you $1000 commissions for each sale. Do you think it's possible to sell 4 of these products a month? of course it's possible, there are plenty of people on the whole internet that purchase high ticket items...think "travel industry etc)

    You can also be promoting $20 dollar products along with the above to your list for extra income.

    You will find it difficult to implement the above strategies without building a list, but i'm sure you can see the potential in it...yes?

    Slow and steady wins the race...B****x!! quick and painless by implementing the right strategies and investing time and money into your business over the next 6 months wins the race, and it has been doing that for all the big boys for years.

    So, what's your goal? to make a living promoting sh***y clickbank products on websites that took you forever to get to the top of the serps? or to look into what i have laid out in this post?

    The choice is yours, you will have to learn this stuff of course, but believe me, the pay off is incredible if you understand how to really make money online. Stop listening to the majority because it is the MINORITY that are making it big.
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    • Profile picture of the author seeksucces
      Originally Posted by retsced View Post

      Making money online is only difficult when you get the wrong advice. Be very careful who you listen to. When i first started out I was introduced to a very well known marketer who thought me how to make money online. I bought his course, went through it with a fine tooth comb and implemented his strategies. I made about $100 within the first 6 months and put a hell of a lot of work into it. Do you know what? The advice was bloody awful for creating a long term business.

      If you are looking to set up a lot of sites, create lots of content and build lots of backlinks to rank that content...then best of luck, you will most definitely need it.

      I used to read all the BS saying that most people fail online because threy give up, that is a very bad assessment of why people REALLY fail to make money online. The main reason people fail is because 99% of the information floating around is garbage, and 99% of the people out there are still using it. When they don't see results from implementing this garbage information they then tell you that internet marketing is hard...bulls**t!!

      It took me about a year to wake up to all this nonsense. If you are serious about setting up a sustainable business then your focus should be solely based around learning marketing...attraction marketing to be exact.

      The truth is, affiliate marketing is very difficult and time consuming when you are implementing the wrong strategies. The fastest way to making money online is this...

      1) set up an autoresponder

      1) Find a quality product to promote

      2) Set up a squeeze page to capture leads

      3) Drive traffic to that squeeze page through forum, social and solo ad marketing

      4) When you capture email addresses, provide FREE incredible value to that list either through a 7 day video course, ebooks etc

      5) Promote that quality product after you build trust by providing INCREDIBLE FREE value

      There's a bit of a learning curve to the above strategy but it is only a fraction of the learning curve compared to building sites, creating content and searching for baclinks.

      The only push button money making system out there is your list...which is your asset. Be smart and think of your long term goal and strategy.

      Forum marketing should only take 30 minutes a day. Social marketing should only take you 30 minutes a day. Solo advertising & banner advertising should only take you 10 minutes to set up.

      I could do all my marketing in less than 2 hours a day overall and create 10 times the wealth than I would have achieved by creating websites, writing content and building links. Remember, your main goal is to build a list, provide value to that list and eventually sell to that list after they know and trust you.

      If you're only starting out I recommend you invest the time now to learn marketing. Master this skill and you will be ahead of 99% of every other so called affiliate marketer on the net.

      If you have no money to pay for advertising then go out and get a part time job to fund it. This is a real business and if you think you can succeed without investing money into it, then your mindset is all wrong.

      I can understand that a lot of people out there take a year or two before they start to gain traction and begin to make money, the reason is that they have it all wrong. It should take no more than 6 months to earn a full time income if you have the right strategy, mindset and the willingness to invest in your business at all costs.

      Sell membership subscriptions to your prospective customers to build residual income. (can you find 200 people in 6 months on the whole internet to sign up for a quality membership site that gets you $20 commission every month from each person?, if you don't think you can do that then get your head straight. 200 people on the whole internet is bloody simple if you have the right strategy)

      Sell high ticket items that get you $1000 commissions for each sale. Do you think it's possible to sell 4 of these products a month? of course it's possible, there are plenty of people on the whole internet that purchase high ticket items...think "travel industry etc)

      You can also be promoting $20 dollar products along with the above to your list for extra income.

      You will find it difficult to implement the above strategies without building a list, but i'm sure you can see the potential in it...yes?

      Slow and steady wins the race...B****x!! quick and painless by implementing the right strategies and investing time and money into your business over the next 6 months wins the race, and it has been doing that for all the big boys for years.

      So, what's your goal? to make a living promoting sh***y clickbank products on websites that took you forever to get to the top of the serps? or to look into what i have laid out in this post?

      The choice is yours, you will have to learn this stuff of course, but believe me, the pay off is incredible if you understand how to really make money online. Stop listening to the majority because it is the MINORITY that are making it big.
      I have tried everything imaginable and I couldn't manage to build hardly any followers on a list. I don't know what the right strategies are because in my experience 99.999 percent of the time people never sign up and never care to click or to buy or to enter their email address. In my experience it is all about the long term. If you know otherwise tell us all. How exactly do you build a list to a product? Which product is this? How do you actually get people to sign up? I have found that free products don't work. Tell all of us out there what works because it sounds like you are confident you know the answers.
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      • Profile picture of the author retsced
        Originally Posted by seeksucces View Post

        I have tried everything imaginable and I couldn't manage to build hardly any followers on a list. I don't know what the right strategies are because in my experience 99.999 percent of the time people never sign up and never care to click or to buy or to enter their email address. In my experience it is all about the long term. If you know otherwise tell us all. How exactly do you build a list to a product? Which product is this? How do you actually get people to sign up? I have found that free products don't work. Tell all of us out there what works because it sounds like you are confident you know the answers.
        Let's get something very clear right out the gate here.

        The web is full of lead capture pages and everybody that lands on these pages have seen it all before. So, what makes your offer better than the other 99%? The person who provides the most value is the person who gets the email address.

        First of all, your offer has to be congruent with what the person who lands on your page is actually looking for.

        Your offer has to solve a problem they are having or at least has to be strong enough to make their lives or business better in some way.

        Is it a landing page your sending them to, or is the opt-in form on your website? If the opt-in is on your website then you will have greater difficulty in getting an email address. The fact is that squeeze pages covert at a much higher level than websites.

        Everybody is giving away ebooks nowadays and this only really works in certain markets. If you're in the internet marketing niche then an ebook is not really enticing enough, unless it is from a well known and established guru.

        A 7 day video training course like the one i promote in my sig is a very good offer and the value it provides for FREE is incredible value for just an email address.

        If it is a website you are putting your opt-in form on then you must look at what others are giving away in the same niche and make your offer 10 times better and more appealing.

        To get traffic to a landing page is done through providing value in forums like i did in the above post. You must be consistent with this though. You know those water pumps where you have to jack the handle up and down to get water out? well the water doesn't come out after the first few pumps of the handle, do you stop pumping when you see no water at first? NO, you keep being consistent, you keep pumping until you get the result you want.

        There are many ways to drive traffic but you have to stick to at MOST 2 traffic strategies at first until you master them. Whether those strategies are social marketing, forum marketing, solo ads, banner ads etc.

        Never spread yourself too thin. Pick a strategy and be consistent with it everyday. Tweak as you go and make it your goal to master that strategy.

        Remember the 80.20 rule, most of your time should be used to drive traffic through the strategies you are using. Be persistent and consistent...always.

        Another important thing to NEVER forget. " IF YOU TRY TO SELL TO EVERYONE, YOU END UP SELLING TO NO ONE"

        ...and would you know, my sig has been taken down because of a stupid reason, but i will try to provide as much value as possible. Some moderators haven't a clue.
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    • Profile picture of the author Freedom66K
      Originally Posted by retsced View Post

      1) set up an autoresponder

      1) Find a quality product to promote

      2) Set up a squeeze page to capture leads

      3) Drive traffic to that squeeze page through forum, social and solo ad marketing

      4) When you capture email addresses, provide FREE incredible value to that list either through a 7 day video course, ebooks etc

      5) Promote that quality product after you build trust by providing INCREDIBLE FREE value
      Are there any good and detailed guides to this? I'm already lost at #1 I don't even know what an autoresponder means in this context lol.
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        Originally Posted by Freedom66K View Post

        Are there any good and detailed guides to this? I'm already lost at #1 I don't even know what an autoresponder means in this context lol.
        Hey,

        An auto responder is an email management service. Your goal should be to build an email list from an opt-in form created on your website or landing page. People will land on your website, you ask them to provide you with their email address and then you add that email address into your "email management service"

        The purpose of an auto responder is so you can mange all of your emails in one place, and send whatever offers you want to that list all at once using the auto responder service. You can set up messages to go out in sequence to your list and have your business run on autopilot.

        Building a list is very important because many people need to see an offer a couple of times before they decide to make a purchase. When they arrive on your website you have just ONE chance to sell to them, but, if you collect their email address you can follow up and promote your offer whenever you want. In other words...you now have a chance to sell to the people who didn't purchase when they were on your site the first time.

        Just make sure that you offer a high quality "bribe" for "free" in order to entice them to hand over that all important email address.

        You can purchase products with private label rights to offer them. This is probably the best way to approach it. Pay for a good product (around $20 - $50) with private label rights, re-brand that product so it has your name attached to it, and offer it for free for an email address.

        I have found that the biggest mistake people make when building a list is that they do not give away a quality product. This is a big mistake. Your goal is to give your subscriber incredible value for free, even if it costs you money to buy the product in the first place.

        If i gave my email address for a free gift and found out later that the gift was rubbish (which most of them are) then why on earth would i buy anything of that person in the future? BUT...If i gave my email address for a free gift that was AWESOME, i will be much more inclined to purchase from them further down the line. My train of thought would go something like this "well if the gift they gave me for FREE was awesome, then i can only imagine how good their PAID offer must be"

        Okay, i know i rambled on here a little, but this is very important stuff.

        Go and find out everything about email marketing and auto-responders and don't fall into the trap of waiting too long before you start building your list. 100% of the marketers out there that waited to build a list always regretted it...100% of them.
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        • Profile picture of the author Freedom66K
          Originally Posted by retsced View Post

          Go and find out everything about email marketing and auto-responders and don't fall into the trap of waiting too long before you start building your list. 100% of the marketers out there that waited to build a list always regretted it...100% of them.
          Would offering this free product be enough to get traffic to my site? I'm assuming this would just be a one page site intended to get users to turn over their email in exchange for this product?

          I guess I would run multiple versions of this based on niche, with separate lists and products.
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          • Profile picture of the author retsced
            Originally Posted by Freedom66K View Post

            Would offering this free product be enough to get traffic to my site? I'm assuming this would just be a one page site intended to get users to turn over their email in exchange for this product?

            I guess I would run multiple versions of this based on niche, with separate lists and products.
            The free gift (if it is quality) will be enough to get the email address, but the traffic part will have to be implemented through various forms of marketing.

            PAID: Quickest
            solo ads, banner advertizing, Facebook advertising etc

            FREE: Slowest
            Forum marketing, social network marketing, video marketing, article marketing etc (pick just 2 of these and master them)

            A one page site solely dedicated to squeezing email addresses from visitors is far superior than a website with a lot of content on it, but you should do both.
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    • Originally Posted by retsced View Post

      Making money online is only difficult when you get the wrong advice. Be very careful who you listen to. When i first started out I was introduced to a very well known marketer who thought me how to make money online. I bought his course, went through it with a fine tooth comb and implemented his strategies. I made about $100 within the first 6 months and put a hell of a lot of work into it. Do you know what? The advice was bloody awful for creating a long term business.

      If you are looking to set up a lot of sites, create lots of content and build lots of backlinks to rank that content...then best of luck, you will most definitely need it.

      I used to read all the BS saying that most people fail online because threy give up, that is a very bad assessment of why people REALLY fail to make money online. The main reason people fail is because 99% of the information floating around is garbage, and 99% of the people out there are still using it. When they don't see results from implementing this garbage information they then tell you that internet marketing is hard...bulls**t!!

      It took me about a year to wake up to all this nonsense. If you are serious about setting up a sustainable business then your focus should be solely based around learning marketing...attraction marketing to be exact.

      The truth is, affiliate marketing is very difficult and time consuming when you are implementing the wrong strategies. The fastest way to making money online is this...

      1) set up an autoresponder

      1) Find a quality product to promote

      2) Set up a squeeze page to capture leads

      3) Drive traffic to that squeeze page through forum, social and solo ad marketing

      4) When you capture email addresses, provide FREE incredible value to that list either through a 7 day video course, ebooks etc

      5) Promote that quality product after you build trust by providing INCREDIBLE FREE value

      There's a bit of a learning curve to the above strategy but it is only a fraction of the learning curve compared to building sites, creating content and searching for baclinks.

      The only push button money making system out there is your list...which is your asset. Be smart and think of your long term goal and strategy.

      Forum marketing should only take 30 minutes a day. Social marketing should only take you 30 minutes a day. Solo advertising & banner advertising should only take you 10 minutes to set up.

      I could do all my marketing in less than 2 hours a day overall and create 10 times the wealth than I would have achieved by creating websites, writing content and building links. Remember, your main goal is to build a list, provide value to that list and eventually sell to that list after they know and trust you.

      If you're only starting out I recommend you invest the time now to learn marketing. Master this skill and you will be ahead of 99% of every other so called affiliate marketer on the net.

      If you have no money to pay for advertising then go out and get a part time job to fund it. This is a real business and if you think you can succeed without investing money into it, then your mindset is all wrong.

      I can understand that a lot of people out there take a year or two before they start to gain traction and begin to make money, the reason is that they have it all wrong. It should take no more than 6 months to earn a full time income if you have the right strategy, mindset and the willingness to invest in your business at all costs.

      Sell membership subscriptions to your prospective customers to build residual income. (can you find 200 people in 6 months on the whole internet to sign up for a quality membership site that gets you $20 commission every month from each person?, if you don't think you can do that then get your head straight. 200 people on the whole internet is bloody simple if you have the right strategy)

      Sell high ticket items that get you $1000 commissions for each sale. Do you think it's possible to sell 4 of these products a month? of course it's possible, there are plenty of people on the whole internet that purchase high ticket items...think "travel industry etc)

      You can also be promoting $20 dollar products along with the above to your list for extra income.

      You will find it difficult to implement the above strategies without building a list, but i'm sure you can see the potential in it...yes?

      Slow and steady wins the race...B****x!! quick and painless by implementing the right strategies and investing time and money into your business over the next 6 months wins the race, and it has been doing that for all the big boys for years.

      So, what's your goal? to make a living promoting sh***y clickbank products on websites that took you forever to get to the top of the serps? or to look into what i have laid out in this post?

      The choice is yours, you will have to learn this stuff of course, but believe me, the pay off is incredible if you understand how to really make money online. Stop listening to the majority because it is the MINORITY that are making it big.

      This would have to be the best answer you are looking for, It just takes time
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    • Profile picture of the author Peter Hansen
      Originally Posted by retsced View Post

      Making money online is only difficult when you get the wrong advice. Be very careful who you listen to. When i first started out I was introduced to a very well known marketer who thought me how to make money online. I bought his course, went through it with a fine tooth comb and implemented his strategies. I made about $100 within the first 6 months and put a hell of a lot of work into it. Do you know what? The advice was bloody awful for creating a long term business.

      If you are looking to set up a lot of sites, create lots of content and build lots of backlinks to rank that content...then best of luck, you will most definitely need it.

      I used to read all the BS saying that most people fail online because threy give up, that is a very bad assessment of why people REALLY fail to make money online. The main reason people fail is because 99% of the information floating around is garbage, and 99% of the people out there are still using it. When they don't see results from implementing this garbage information they then tell you that internet marketing is hard...bulls**t!!

      It took me about a year to wake up to all this nonsense. If you are serious about setting up a sustainable business then your focus should be solely based around learning marketing...attraction marketing to be exact.

      The truth is, affiliate marketing is very difficult and time consuming when you are implementing the wrong strategies. The fastest way to making money online is this...

      1) set up an autoresponder

      1) Find a quality product to promote

      2) Set up a squeeze page to capture leads

      3) Drive traffic to that squeeze page through forum, social and solo ad marketing

      4) When you capture email addresses, provide FREE incredible value to that list either through a 7 day video course, ebooks etc

      5) Promote that quality product after you build trust by providing INCREDIBLE FREE value

      There's a bit of a learning curve to the above strategy but it is only a fraction of the learning curve compared to building sites, creating content and searching for baclinks.

      The only push button money making system out there is your list...which is your asset. Be smart and think of your long term goal and strategy.

      Forum marketing should only take 30 minutes a day. Social marketing should only take you 30 minutes a day. Solo advertising & banner advertising should only take you 10 minutes to set up.

      I could do all my marketing in less than 2 hours a day overall and create 10 times the wealth than I would have achieved by creating websites, writing content and building links. Remember, your main goal is to build a list, provide value to that list and eventually sell to that list after they know and trust you.

      If you're only starting out I recommend you invest the time now to learn marketing. Master this skill and you will be ahead of 99% of every other so called affiliate marketer on the net.

      If you have no money to pay for advertising then go out and get a part time job to fund it. This is a real business and if you think you can succeed without investing money into it, then your mindset is all wrong.

      I can understand that a lot of people out there take a year or two before they start to gain traction and begin to make money, the reason is that they have it all wrong. It should take no more than 6 months to earn a full time income if you have the right strategy, mindset and the willingness to invest in your business at all costs.

      Sell membership subscriptions to your prospective customers to build residual income. (can you find 200 people in 6 months on the whole internet to sign up for a quality membership site that gets you $20 commission every month from each person?, if you don't think you can do that then get your head straight. 200 people on the whole internet is bloody simple if you have the right strategy)

      Sell high ticket items that get you $1000 commissions for each sale. Do you think it's possible to sell 4 of these products a month? of course it's possible, there are plenty of people on the whole internet that purchase high ticket items...think "travel industry etc)

      You can also be promoting $20 dollar products along with the above to your list for extra income.

      You will find it difficult to implement the above strategies without building a list, but i'm sure you can see the potential in it...yes?

      Slow and steady wins the race...B****x!! quick and painless by implementing the right strategies and investing time and money into your business over the next 6 months wins the race, and it has been doing that for all the big boys for years.

      So, what's your goal? to make a living promoting sh***y clickbank products on websites that took you forever to get to the top of the serps? or to look into what i have laid out in this post?

      The choice is yours, you will have to learn this stuff of course, but believe me, the pay off is incredible if you understand how to really make money online. Stop listening to the majority because it is the MINORITY that are making it big.
      Thank you for a great post.

      Really honest straight and direct.

      I like that style.

      This is a keeper.

      Let me know if I can help you Warrior to Warrior.

      Good luck
      Peter
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  • Profile picture of the author Clandog
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    http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...of-inside.html

    hope this helps.
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  • Profile picture of the author Les Blythe
    The above is excellent advice from retsced.

    Focus on the medium to long term, give value and build a list.

    The only thing I would add to that is perhaps consider making your own product when you are comfortable doing so. Like your list that is an asset for the long term and coupled with a membership site you are creating a solid business vehicle.

    Good luck with all your online efforts.
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    • Profile picture of the author retsced
      Originally Posted by Les Blythe View Post

      The above is excellent advice from retsced.

      Focus on the medium to long term, give value and build a list.

      The only thing I would add to that is perhaps consider making your own product when you are comfortable doing so. Like your list that is an asset for the long term and coupled with a membership site you are creating a solid business vehicle.

      Good luck with all your online efforts.
      Yes Les, I forgot to mention "creating your own product", which is where every online marketer should ultimately be heading
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  • Profile picture of the author Freedom66K
    So guys, what do you think about niche blogs? Would that qualify as more of a shortsighted thing? I think it might be a good way to get my foot in the door. I'd be providing value by writing good articles but it wouldn't take as much investment for seo/marketing as an "authority site" (I think that's the term).

    I don't mean crappy blogs with a bunch of affiliate links but just a few articles, maybe an affiliate link here or there but quality content not just keyword fillers.

    I have quite a bit of knowledge on things like computers, cars, firearms, etc so I was thinking about putting out some small blogs for very targeted parts of those industries and slowly building traffic/links/subscribers. Maybe throw some ads on there for a few bucks a month just to keep myself motivated.

    Also are there any recommended ebooks on the topic? I know most of them are probably "get rich quick" crap but there has to be something good (or at least honest) out there somewhere!

    What I'd really like to break down is the common types of IM (niche blogging, digital products, affiliate stuff, etc) and start by getting a more fundamental grasp on the whole thing, I'm on information overload right now trying to get into the specifics without doing the fundamentals.
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    Why not try teaching others about what you know? Launching a WSO is a great way to do this.
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  • Profile picture of the author Victorxy
    I need help on how i could start making money online. Please you guys should help me
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  • Profile picture of the author sknr88
    I couldn't agree more with Randohm.

    You need to know what item you like to promote. Everbody has something they like and promote it. If you are looking for affiliates, try Clickbank.

    You can get some good free tips from these guy Adam Short from Niche Profit Classroom 4.0. His first video is more promotional and blah blah, but his 2nd to 5th video are very good tips. Its free.

    Many have ask for the video link, but I am short of the 15 post required to include the link into my thread, so I put the link below into my signature for now. Just register and get the free videos. You can also search from Google.
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    when I started the toughest thing was to decide from all the different ways of marketing. The most important thing in my opinion is to pick about five like blog commenting, link exchanges, etc. and focus on those. If you don't you'll be all over the place
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  • Profile picture of the author SarahSalah
    One of the best ways to succeed at internet marketing is to use a search engine’s ad service. Many search engines offer a service where you can have your company or product’s website listed first when someone is searching for a certain criteria. This means that the people who are coming to your site are already searching for a similar company or product.

    You will be driving an enormous amount of traffic to your site, all of whom are already interested in what you’re offering.

    One way to optimize your site for a specific keyword is to use a <b> </b> tag around your keyword, which will bold the word, the first few times it appears. This both draws the reader’s eye to the word and tells the search engine spiders that your site thinks that word is important. However, don’t abuse this or your site will end up looking like spam.

    Small businesses looking to expand their base through internet marketing can get a fast leg up by analyzing the marketing approaches used by the competition. Check out company websites and marketing materials for similar businesses in your locale. Figure out what really works to grab your attention and devise ways to distinguish your own marketing efforts from the masses. Knowing the weak spots in your competition can help you step right up to fill in the gaps!

    You should set aside time to thoroughly test every aspect of your website weekly. Broken images, links to 404 pages and errors in ordering forms will only frustrate your customers and hurt your image. Customers may be inclined to leave an order in progress if a website is annoying to use.

    Your bonuses should be useful to the entirety of your customer base, so consider buying things unrelated to your product for bonus prizes. For example, gift cards to popular chain restaurants are an excellent way to reward loyal customers.

    If your business is engaged in advertising both on- and off-line, make sure your marketing strategies in the two spheres complement each other. An internet marketing plan should work with and enhance your other efforts in print or other media. Make sure your website points visitors towards your adverts in other media – and make sure your TV, radio and print ads mention your website.

    One of the things that you can do in order to build trust with your customers when it comes to internet marketing is by offering them free telephone consultation before they choose to order your product. It will also get them to know you personally which could lead to more sales in the long run.

    It’s important to test any new service or feature before you launch it. You can always add different services and features to your business, but it’s very hard to take them away without your customers thinking there’s something wrong. Test everything before you decide to add it to your Roberto Luongo Jersey business or campaign.

    As stated earlier, internet marketing allows your company to greatly increase its visibility. When conventional advertising just won’t give product the exposure it needs, internet marketing saves the day.

    Using these simple tips to help you on your way, you can design the perfect strategy to reach your target demographic easily.
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  • Profile picture of the author RyanLima
    I recommend getting started as an affiliate marketer in a niche.

    During this time you will learn invaluable skill sets like copy, conversion, *list bulding, tracking and most importantly driving traffic.

    Once you have multiple income streams coming in you can scale up everything and also create your own products!
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    You should start with 1 main blog and monetize that one. Make it your main site and make money from it with Adsense and affiliate products. Become a master of 1, instead of a master of none.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bret Ferguson
    Sounds like you already have a great skill that many here don't have which is a big "head start."

    Like retsced said, as will I, LEARN ALL YOU CAN about actual MARKETING. You can have an "average" product and superior marketing skills and sell that average product like there's no tomorrow. You can have a superior product and limited marketing skills and not sell much at all.

    Take your passion or things you have interest in and create your own product. Set your site up, find the traffic, use PPC if you have to, to get started. I did when I first started and for me it was a good thing. And test, test, test.....

    "Nothing works all the time but everything works some of the time"
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  • Profile picture of the author shireen
    Do you have a list?

    In my opinion, a targeted list is one of the major asset in your online business.

    Create a free report/video/audio to give away on your blog & start building your list :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author trizzypballr
    Thanks for the thread, and great responses in the thread. Up until this point I have just been working with Adsense and Amazon sites. Some of you may have read my thread a few days ago about the issues ive been having. The whole concept of list building seems very interesting. While I appreciate and have read all of retsced comments, since I know nothing about list building and squeeze sites, most of it felt like I was trying to read a foreign language or something.

    Is there a good thread, breaking down how you go about this concept? For example, are you targeting a clickbank product, and then trying to sell it threw your site, and then giving more offers threw your email list, or are you trying to sell a totally different product.

    When you say squeeze pages, I have no clue what they are. Ive heard people talk about content lockers before, is this basicly the same thing?
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  • Profile picture of the author celente
    start up a blog, and create a list of prospects.

    IF I have one regret, it was not creating a list of prospects sooner.

    You can help them, and also offer them affiliate products at the same times....in a way you are EARNING while you are LEARNING!!! and you get better at it, each and every month!!
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    You must start thinking about building a list from day 1 for long term sustainable income.
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    10+ for the post.... Awesome share for beginners !! Cheers man
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  • Profile picture of the author Edgar Espinosa
    Many have already said it in here but it's worth repeating again...

    Build a list! Build a list! BUILD A LIST!

    Seriously,

    You'll thank us later.

    I wish someone would have smacked some sense into me
    when I first started on-line marketing lol.
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