Can you Post Full News Strories from Other Sources?

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Hi Guys,

Just wondering is it OK to post FULL news articles/stories from other websites on your own while giving full credit to original source?

While research i have found some News Sites in specific niche which are based upon news stories from other sites.

Irrespective of how well it'll do seo-wise is it ethical to do so?

Regards,
FM
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  • Profile picture of the author Rony Ronch
    In my opinion as long as you link correctly to the source you should be good (and i wouldn't try putting adsense on a cites post, looks too risky)
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  • Profile picture of the author entrepreneurjay
    Full stories? I would be worried about the duplicate content penalty from Google they probably will not even index it so what's the point?

    Is this your main blog? Or a throwaway type site?

    I do not see a problem with it as long as you give proper credit to the original source. ( link back )

    If your not concerned about seo then go for it!
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    • Profile picture of the author Istvan Horvath
      Originally Posted by entrepreneurjay View Post

      Full stories? I would be worried about the duplicate content penalty from Google [...]
      To the OP: never listen to the advice of people who have no idea what they are talking about
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  • Profile picture of the author creditbuilder
    Give credit to the source like entrepreneurjay said and select news that is hot and use keywords relating to that and you should be fine and get a lot of hits I would think.
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  • Profile picture of the author KirkMcD
    As long as you don't mind the future lawsuits for copyright infringement and DMCA takedown notices, you should be fine.

    It doesn't matter if you give them credit, if you don't have their permission or the rights to the story, you are breaking copyright laws.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
      Of course you can't repost full stories without permission. If the site has a policy that allows you to republish, it should be stated somewhere on the site. If it doesn't, you can ask but don't expect to be granted permission.

      You can quote a small portion of the piece - I would highly recommend that to be no more than 10% - and link back to the original with a citation if you feel your readers should see it.

      It's not just unethical; it's illegal.
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      • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
        Originally Posted by Rony Ronch View Post

        In my opinion as long as you link correctly to the source you should be good (and i wouldn't try putting adsense on a cites post, looks too risky)
        Originally Posted by entrepreneurjay View Post

        I do not see a problem with it as long as you give proper credit to the original source.
        Originally Posted by creditbuilder View Post

        Give credit to the source like entrepreneurjay said and select news that is hot and use keywords relating to that and you should be fine and get a lot of hits I would think.
        Really? I would have thought some of you would know better.

        If you all truly believe there's nothing wrong with this, it would be perfectly acceptable for me to go copy any articles on your websites and use on my own, as long as I gave you guys "proper credit".

        Cool - I just found a new source of free content.:rolleyes:
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      • Originally Posted by Tina Golden View Post

        You can quote a small portion of the piece - I would highly recommend that to be no more than 10% - and link back to the original with a citation if you feel your readers should see it.

        It's not just unethical; it's illegal.
        The Wikipedia page on the Fair Use Doctrine is worth reading for the examples it gives.

        Fair use - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

        Those seeking to use someone else's material should pay particular attention to the Common Misunderstandings section.

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        • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
          Originally Posted by fluffythewondercat View Post

          The Wikipedia page on the Fair Use Doctrine is worth reading for the examples it gives.

          Fair use - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

          Those seeking to use someone else's material should pay particular attention to the Common Misunderstandings section.

          fLufF
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          You quoted me but I'm unclear as to whether you were agreeing or disagreeing with my comment?

          Here are some further resources that should help people have a better understanding of Fair Use:

          The 'Fair Use' Rule: When Use of Copyrighted Material is Acceptable | Nolo.com

          Fair use under fire

          Beat Reporting, Fair Use, Twitter And Free Expression: Mashing Up Some Thoughts | Techdirt
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          • Profile picture of the author Lloyd Buchinski
            Originally Posted by Tina Golden View Post

            were agreeing or disagreeing with my comment?
            She was agreeing Tina. (this communication stuff isn't easy )

            I can't speak for her but that seemed like the obvious meaning of her post to me.
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            • Profile picture of the author bengirwb
              I love it when hollier-than-thou folks get huffy and spout the copyright laws.

              Yes, there are copyright laws.

              But the internet has spawned so called aggregater sites that collect material and presents it niche sites.

              Such as best humor videos. Wedding blooper videos. Etc.

              I have seen a site that has clips from the TV networks, with another person acting as an anchor person presenting and commenting on the clips.

              Now there's a TV reality show (can't recall the name) that plays clips from cop chases etc. with 2nd rate comedians making funny comments.

              Etc.

              Yet, whenever I've warned folks that their videos are turning up on aggregator sites that are surrounded by Google adsense, which is not shared with the video creator, no one here has done more than ho-hum. If that much.

              The original poster can research aggregator sites for ideas.

              Now for more commercials about copyright law.
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              • Profile picture of the author ExRat
                Hi bengirwb,

                Originally Posted by bengirwb View Post

                I love it when hollier-than-thou folks get huffy and spout the copyright laws.
                I like seeing helpful people offering helpful advice too. I'm also all for breaking rules when it's a good idea to do so, but I try to avoid being a smugger-than-thou rule breaker.
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                • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
                  Originally Posted by bengirwb View Post

                  I love it when hollier-than-thou folks get huffy and spout the copyright laws.
                  What exactly made us "holier-than-thou"? Because we pointed out that what the OP is considering could get him into a lot of legal hot water, not to mention it's just plain unethical and illegal?

                  Originally Posted by bostoncitymass View Post

                  If someone doesn't like you doing it they will send you a "stop doing that letter".
                  So it's okay as long as you don't get caught or sued? I hope you keep sliding under the radar because it only takes one lost lawsuit to wipe you out. That's not a chance I would be willing to take, even if it didn't go against my principles, but if you can live with the risk, go for it.

                  Originally Posted by entrepreneurjay View Post

                  As long as you leave my article intact with a clickable link back go ahead
                  Oh, so now you're changing the rules. Earlier you just said I had to give proper credit. And I have that in writing
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                  • Profile picture of the author bostoncitymass
                    "So it's okay as long as you don't get caught or sued? I hope you keep sliding under the radar because it only takes one lost lawsuit to wipe you out. That's not a chance I would be willing to take, even if it didn't go against my principles, but if you can live with the risk, go for it."

                    Again the chances of the New Your Times suing me because I posted a story that in essences gets them traffic are about the same as me winning the powerball.

                    I have heard, read, and seen so many interpretations of copyright laws it's crazy.
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                  • Profile picture of the author entrepreneurjay
                    Originally Posted by Tina Golden View Post

                    What exactly made us "holier-than-thou"? Because we pointed out that what the OP is considering could get him into a lot of legal hot water, not to mention it's just plain unethical and illegal?

                    So it's okay as long as you don't get caught or sued? I hope you keep sliding under the radar because it only takes one lost lawsuit to wipe you out. That's not a chance I would be willing to take, even if it didn't go against my principles, but if you can live with the risk, go for it.

                    Oh, so now you're changing the rules. Earlier you just said I had to give proper credit. And I have that in writing
                    I thought it was self explanatory and yes you can have that in writing lol
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    • Profile picture of the author getboris
      Originally Posted by KirkMcD View Post

      As long as you don't mind the future lawsuits for copyright infringement and DMCA takedown notices, you should be fine.

      It doesn't matter if you give them credit, if you don't have their permission or the rights to the story, you are breaking copyright laws.
      Exactly, I would add that you can take quotes from related stories/content and of course provide a credit after the quote or at the bottom of the article in your resource box but its a good policy to ensure that at least 50% of your article is yours, especially if it is your money site and if it links directly to your money site.
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    • Profile picture of the author ExRat
      Hi Kirk,

      Originally Posted by KirkMcD View Post

      As long as you don't mind the future lawsuits for copyright infringement and DMCA takedown notices, you should be fine.

      It doesn't matter if you give them credit, if you don't have their permission or the rights to the story, you are breaking copyright laws.
      Spot on (although IANAL).

      I'm just imagining the lawsuit defence - 'Well I asked on a reputable forum and the majority of people all resoundingly stated with confidence that it would be fine and I looked around and saw hundreds of Blogspot blogs doing it so I assumed....'
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  • Profile picture of the author Adam Roy
    If you don't want people using your content, disable right-click.

    It's extremely common for people to copy/paste/quote content from other sources, with credit of course.

    I don't see anything wrong with it at all so long as credit is given. It's happened to me and it doesn't bother me.

    I've had people steal, spin and repost my content which I'm not fine with, I've had people straight up copy/paste my content without credit which I'm not fine with, but hey if you want to post an article I wrote on your site, tell your readers I wrote it, and give them a link back to my page I have absolutely no problem with that.
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    • Profile picture of the author getboris
      Originally Posted by Adam Roy View Post

      If you don't want people using your content, disable right-click.
      Uhm... All you have to do is press Ctrl+U and copy it from the source, remove html tags using "search and replace" commands in our text editor. So this is hardly a protection. Better way is to place a copyright statement on the bottom of your page.

      Some larger publications go through great extend protecting their content saying that even "modified" or "rewritten" versions of their material are not allowed. This is a bit too much I think and its unclear what they mean by "modified" or "rewritten"
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  • Profile picture of the author timpears
    The short answer is NO! It is quite comon in the news bisiness to rewrite other news articles though. One of my writers, when I ran a News site, would research all the other stories on the topic he was writing and write his story. Very similar to article writers researching by reading what has been published and writing their article.

    If you want to publish news stories, unless you are going to go out and interview the people in the story, that is the way you have to do it.

    I used to have a Google news site, so I know a little about this.
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  • Profile picture of the author THK
    Article directories, press release sites probably are the exceptions.

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    • Profile picture of the author bostoncitymass
      Drudge Report, Perez Hilton, Mashable, Tech Crunch.

      All started out aggregating news stories and giving credit to original source and most still do it for the most part.

      More sites pop up like this everyday.

      If someone doesn't like you doing it they will send you a "stop doing that letter".

      I'm not a lawyer but the chances of you getting sued unless you are a repeat offender or are really abusing (such as using an autoposter) then that could be an issue, but I have been doing it for years and have never had a problem once.

      It's not the best for SEO ranking but it is good to add pages and "bulk" to your site.
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  • Profile picture of the author angela99
    Originally Posted by Serenity090 View Post

    Hi Guys,

    Just wondering is it OK to post FULL news articles/stories from other websites on your own while giving full credit to original source?

    While research i have found some News Sites in specific niche which are based upon news stories from other sites.

    Irrespective of how well it'll do seo-wise is it ethical to do so?

    Regards,
    FM
    Content curation (aggregation) is big. However, if you try to republish FULL material without permission, you'll get into trouble. That's not fair use. It's theft, to put it bluntly.

    You're not the Huffington Post, or All Things Digital. These sites do publish full material from sources, linking to the source.

    They can do this because the HuffPo has millions of visitors a month, and ATD is owned by the Wall Street Journal. They can do stuff which would get you nothing but trouble if you tried it. These sites' visitors and the exposure they give are the value they provide.

    Think VALUE. You need to provide value if you attempt content curation. You can't just grab what you want. Sooner or later someone will notice, and things will get very uncomfortable for you.

    "Ethical" depends on how big you are. If you're a minnow, don't attract the attention of sharks. This is just common sense.

    As a rule of thumb, never grab a quote of more than ten per cent from a source, and of course, provide full attribution. You'll notice that Amazon offers ten per cent or so of a book in its "Look Inside" feature.

    When I want to reference others' material in a blog post, I rarely use more than a sentence or two, and always provide full attribution. I never get anywhere near ten per cent.

    In a nutshell: if you want to do content curation, ask yourself what VALUE you provide.

    Cheers

    Angela
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    • Profile picture of the author bostoncitymass
      Originally Posted by angela99 View Post

      Content curation (aggregation) is big. However, if you try to republish FULL material without permission, you'll get into trouble. That's not fair use. It's theft, to put it bluntly.

      You're not the Huffington Post, or All Things Digital. These sites do publish full material from sources, linking to the source.

      They can do this because the HuffPo has millions of visitors a month, and ATD is owned by the Wall Street Journal. They can do stuff which would get you nothing but trouble if you tried it. These sites' visitors and the exposure they give are the value they provide.

      Think VALUE. You need to provide value if you attempt content curation. You can't just grab what you want. Sooner or later someone will notice, and things will get very uncomfortable for you.

      "Ethical" depends on how big you are. If you're a minnow, don't attract the attention of sharks. This is just common sense.

      As a rule of thumb, never grab a quote of more than ten per cent from a source, and of course, provide full attribution. You'll notice that Amazon offers ten per cent or so of a book in its "Look Inside" feature.

      When I want to reference others' material in a blog post, I rarely use more than a sentence or two, and always provide full attribution. I never get anywhere near ten per cent.

      In a nutshell: if you want to do content curation, ask yourself what VALUE you provide.

      Cheers

      Angela
      Just because they are big doesn't mean they can break the law. Law is the law.
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      • Profile picture of the author angela99
        Originally Posted by bostoncitymass View Post

        Just because they are big doesn't mean they can break the law. Law is the law.
        They probably are not breaking the law when they post complete content.

        I'm sure they have contracts with sites to use material.

        We can't see what goes on in the background to what we see online; however, people will assume that just because the HuffPo posts material from elsewhere, they can do the same.

        It's always a mistake to assume... :-)

        Cheers

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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Originally Posted by Serenity090 View Post

    Hi Guys,

    Just wondering is it OK to post FULL news articles/stories from other websites on your own while giving full credit to original source?

    While research i have found some News Sites in specific niche which are based upon news stories from other sites.

    Irrespective of how well it'll do seo-wise is it ethical to do so?

    Regards,
    FM

    No. It is copyrighted material like any other original source. In addition, much of the news is distributed through a paid source who owns the copyright.
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  • Profile picture of the author J Bold
    This is actually a good question and it would help if someone in the news site business actually chipped in with experienced opinions.

    News is different than other kinds of written content in that you often see the same exact story on several big, reputable news sites. So this raises questions in some people's minds such as the OP as to what they are allowed to do with news stories.

    But as I understand it, these big news sites that do this pay money to be part of the AP (Associated Press) or other associations like that where they get news stories pre-written and they can add their reporting to those stories or just publish them as is.

    So, it's a completely valid question as people rightly wonder how these things are even allowed and possible.

    There may even be news sites that encourage reposting of their stories with proper attribution, I don't know.

    Bottom line is seek out the right, legal information and don't just take the opinions of posters, on both sides of the argument. Find someone with experience in the news site biz. Ask other news sites what their rules are; examine their terms of service, etc.

    There may be completely legal ways to do this, but first and foremost you should not start out by just re-posting news stories and thinking it's ok to do without knowing for sure. Of course copyright laws apply, etc. if the stories are not allowed to be posted by anyone who pleases.
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by J Bold View Post

      But as I understand it, these big news sites that do this pay money to be part of the AP (Associated Press) or other associations like that where they get news stories pre-written and they can add their reporting to those stories or just publish them as is.
      Yep ... they purchase the rights to those stories. They can use as is or rewrite them as they wish.
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  • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
    Pay no attention to those saying it's okay to copy & paste full articles. They are just dumb kids, newbies or lifetime newbies. In fact, put them on your ignore list right now. Anyone giving this kind of bad advice probably shouldn't be trusted on any topic.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by bengirwb View Post

      I love it when hollier-than-thou folks get huffy and spout the copyright laws.

      Yes, there are copyright laws.

      But the internet has spawned so called aggregater sites that collect material and presents it niche sites.

      Such as best humor videos. Wedding blooper videos. Etc.

      I have seen a site that has clips from the TV networks, with another person acting as an anchor person presenting and commenting on the clips.

      Now there's a TV reality show (can't recall the name) that plays clips from cop chases etc. with 2nd rate comedians making funny comments.

      Etc.

      Yet, whenever I've warned folks that their videos are turning up on aggregator sites that are surrounded by Google adsense, which is not shared with the video creator, no one here has done more than ho-hum. If that much.

      The original poster can research aggregator sites for ideas.

      Now for more commercials about copyright law.
      Can't speak for all of the aggregation sites. Some are stealing content, I'm sure. If they're posting YouTube videos, they have a license from YouTube which the video owner agrees to by making the video public.

      The TV shows you mentioned pay big bucks to license the clips they use.

      Before you hold up irrelevant examples, check what happens behind the scenes. The networks that carry those shows have extensive legal teams that make sure what they show is properly licensed and credited.
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  • Profile picture of the author kaizerinfo
    I am not from usa,but even I know,that you can.

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...-law-says.html
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  • Profile picture of the author pizzatherapy
    Thanks to: KirkMcD, and Tina Golden

    I'm amazed that this conversation has taken these dips and turns.

    There is some real wisdom here by some wise and ethical marketers: No you cannot steal someone else's content. It does not matter if it is a newspaper, magazine, radio, or TV.

    News story (content) copy is protected by copyright. Plain and simple. End of story.

    The story is copyrighted: the news is not. You can comment, tell the story in your words, give your opinion...but you cannot "steal" a news story.

    No you cannot just copy it and post it on your site or blog. Don't do it! And why would you want to anyway?

    Giving your view, opinion, and discussion on a news story is much more powerful than simply stealing the news story. And you can still tell the story....

    As has been mentioned: use all the articles you like as well as long as you add the author's links at the end of the article.

    Here is something you can legally steal. And I do this all the time. All the time.
    I use:
    Press Releases!
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      It's a sad state of affairs when "don't steal" passes as real wisdom...
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  • Profile picture of the author kaizerinfo
    Well,when you write the same story with your own words,it's like using synonims.
    Autoblogging is rule
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    • As long as you give credit to the original author, posting full articles from other sources is ok. However, you should not do this on a regular basis. Use other people's articles only when you don't have time to write new posts so that you can keep your blog up to date.
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by mrsvirtualassistant View Post

        As long as you give credit to the original author, posting full articles from other sources is ok. However, you should not do this on a regular basis. Use other people's articles only when you don't have time to write new posts so that you can keep your blog up to date.

        Please cite the specific supporting legal citations for your theory.
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Originally Posted by mrsvirtualassistant View Post

        As long as you give credit to the original author, posting full articles from other sources is ok.
        It's really frightening that people can not only believe this nonsense, but even state it as advice to other people, too!

        Rarely, if ever, has there been a more fitting occasion to refer people to this thread: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...al-advice.html
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  • Profile picture of the author R Hagel
    WHEW! I'm glad to hear that it's okay to use other people's stuff as long as you "give credit."

    So here's my idea for a new blog...

    John Grisham has a fairly new book out -- Calico Joe. My idea is to load up the entire book onto my blog and give it away for free. I'll be sure to link back to his website.

    Here's my thinking on this one:

    1. I'm giving it away for free, so it's not as if I'm directly making money with it. I mean, it's not like he can sue me or anything, right?

    2. This is win-win. I just know he's going to be thrilled when he sees he got a link from my site.

    All right, off to implement my idea...

    Becky

    P.S. :rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author SamDermot
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    There is a plugin for wordpress, which posts articles from Ezinearticles, this way authors are credited.
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      Originally Posted by SamDermot View Post

      There is a plugin for wordpress, which posts articles from Ezinearticles, this way authors are credited.
      It's an article directory that allows you to republish content from their storage.
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      • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
        Originally Posted by kaizerinfo View Post

        I am not from usa,but even I know,that you can.

        http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...-law-says.html
        Try reading the suits that Harlan included in that post. He misused them and now you are perpetuating that. Neither of those suits involved a full article - in fact, the second link was about a photo! And in both cases it was a company trying to enforce a retroactive judgment after they purchased the copyright from the original holder. Harlan should have known better in the original post and you clearly didn't check either.
        Originally Posted by mrsvirtualassistant View Post

        As long as you give credit to the original author, posting full articles from other sources is ok. However, you should not do this on a regular basis. Use other people's articles only when you don't have time to write new posts so that you can keep your blog up to date.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          A thread like this is a good indicator on WHO to pay attention to and who to ignore.

          It's amazing so many would say "It's OK" - those are the people you should ignore and not buy from becuase they either don't know what they are doing -or they don't care.

          You can use articles from directories IF you follow the TOs, include live links, etc. You cannot take whatever your want and post it on your site - unless you want a big legal mess on your hands.

          I wonder how someone who has been a member since 2009 could even ask this question.

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        • Profile picture of the author kaizerinfo
          Originally Posted by Tina Golden View Post

          Try reading the suits that Harlan included in that post. He misused them and now you are perpetuating that. Neither of those suits involved a full article - in fact, the second link was about a photo! And in both cases it was a company trying to enforce a retroactive judgment after they purchased the copyright from the original holder. Harlan should have known better in the original post and you clearly didn't check either.

          <bangs head on desk vigorously>
          Interesting claims from someone with content hijack wso.
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        • Profile picture of the author R Hagel
          Originally Posted by Tina Golden View Post

          <bangs head on desk vigorously>

          <passes Tina a ShamWow to mop up the blood, sweat and tears>
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  • Profile picture of the author kaizerinfo
    Those who use full rss in his blogs, by default agree that it will be used for others.
    If not,use short feeds.
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by kaizerinfo View Post

      Those who use full rss in his blogs, by default agree that it will be used for others.
      If not,use short feeds.

      There's this little site called Google where when you type in keywords, such as rss feeds copyright infringement, it comes up with things like this

      Five Years Later: Why RSS Scraping Still is Not OK | Plagiarism Today

      Try it sometime. You'll be amazed
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