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Marketers,

While many of you are honest and hard-working folks with dedication to ethical business I want to stress something. Using sneaky tactics does not work in the long-run, so don't be tempted. This may apply mostly to newbies but a marketer I have been on a list for some months recently did something that made me unsubscribe.

"You Have Commissions Waiting!" or "Second Notice - Commissions Owed" types of emails are annoying me. It's bad enough that I get them random vomited at me as spam, it's quite another when a marketer I follow and generally trust starts sending me these ridiculous emails. This and other fake headlines that seem to imply I am owed something or I am getting an exclusive JV opportunity offer firsthand are downright insulting to open and find crap links to videos you cant even hit pause on.

Another thing... quit auto calling me with offers on my home phone and on Skype especially. If I add you to my Skype account its a privilege not a right to advertise to me there and show me what your up to. If I add my info to your mailing list I expect to recieve a personal call if something is up, not an automated "Victoria! Would you like to know how me and my wife Betty went from living in a box to a sweet Mansion with 3 fast cars!!!!!! Press 1 to hear our automated crap message."

My point is not to rant so much as to point out you need to build real relationships.. with people.. not annoy them in bulk with every other clueless jerk on the net that wants to be an internet marketer. :rolleyes:
#anoying #internet #marketer #marketers #spam
  • Profile picture of the author asepkomara
    Wow. may i know the IM gurus you followed/subscribed to?
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    • Profile picture of the author Victoria Gates
      Originally Posted by asepkomara View Post

      Wow. may i know the IM gurus you followed/subscribed to?
      I don't want to slam anyone. But I did want to comment because when I was new to this stuff I though the more messages you send out 'any way you can' means the more business you can get! But that is not true.

      To make money in online or offline business it takes getting out there and building relationships. 10 loyal dedicated customers that pay you over and over are better for your bottom line than 100,000 page views from a spam campaign.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chri5123
    Nice post - if your interested in what Victoria is saying visit my site for more info...

    Sorry Vicky, I couldn't resist!

    I'm with you though!

    The one's that get me are the email messages that have subject lines like RE: I'm SORRY!

    I seem to remember seeing that this gets really awesome CTR rates but I bet it has dropped loads.

    I know what you mean it is ANNOYING being marketed too sometimes.

    Same with offline - when you walk into a furniture store and you can see the circling vultures.

    Would be nice not to be sold too for one day. lol

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  • Profile picture of the author Jeff Lenney
    *You're annoying me

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    • Profile picture of the author Chri5123
      Originally Posted by eljeffe77 View Post

      *You're annoying me

      Or:

      You are annoying me!

      This is what really is twisting my melon though:

      "Which one will get a higher CTR?" :p

      Chris
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    • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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      Originally Posted by eljeffe77 View Post

      *You're annoying me

      :p

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    • Profile picture of the author Victoria Gates
      Originally Posted by eljeffe77 View Post

      *You're annoying me

      Hahaha! The spelling and grammar patrol has arrived!
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      • Oh, I get it. Your annoyance at the way people contact you is genuine and valid.

        On the other hand, our annoyance at your apparent inability to type three words without making two mistakes is silly and pointless.

        Right. But this is a marketing issue.

        I'm still waiting to see test results that prove misspellings actually generate more email opens. Somehow the "You're just being a spelling Nazi!" types never manage to produce them.

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        • Profile picture of the author Victoria Gates
          Originally Posted by fluffythewondercat View Post

          Oh, I get it. Your annoyance at the way people contact you is genuine and valid.

          On the other hand, our annoyance at your apparent inability to type three words without making two mistakes is silly and pointless.

          Right. But this is a marketing issue.

          I'm still waiting to see test results that prove misspellings actually generate more email opens. Somehow the "You're just being a spelling Nazi!" types never manage to produce them.

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          I wonder if you got the idea that I mistyped the crap out of my title on purpose... but jus in case yall don git it I jus being anoin... pn.. porpoise ta pruve a point.

          Plus one must laugh at one's self sometimes. :rolleyes:
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          • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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            Originally Posted by Victoria Gates View Post

            I wonder if you got the idea that I mistyped the crap out of my title on purpose... but jus in case yall don git it I jus being anoin... pn.. porpoise ta pruve a point.

            Plus one must laugh at one's self sometimes. :rolleyes:
            ...the point being what? That you could push us all into an all out grammar war, leaving no survivors?!



            The horror.
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          • Profile picture of the author Jeff Lenney
            Originally Posted by Victoria Gates View Post

            I wonder if you got the idea that I mistyped the crap out of my title on purpose... but jus in case yall don git it I jus being anoin... pn.. porpoise ta pruve a point.

            Plus one must laugh at one's self sometimes. :rolleyes:

            Nah, she's always like that. Don't take it personally
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    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
      Originally Posted by eljeffe77 View Post

      *You're annoying me





      Terra
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        If you don't value your list subscribers, you're doomed to failure!
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    • Profile picture of the author StevenJones
      Originally Posted by eljeffe77 View Post

      *You're annoying me

      Considering the amount of thanks you got for this particular post, it seems that people do care about grammar on this forum. There is a small lesson that can be learned from this as well; .. Put grammar mistakes in your (WSO)title on purpose. Or always re-read your posted stuff!

      Now I don't know how this would work, but I think you will get a lot of views.
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  • Profile picture of the author James.N
    I'd like to think that not many warriors are using this tactics as most of us realize that these are not good business practices and they will not help you in the long term. I do agree that they are annoying as hell though!
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  • Profile picture of the author tylerfred
    Victoria.. you are sooo right! These emails are annoying me too.. Ugh, it's getting so old to receive emails like this for years on end. I should unsubscribe from their list actually... ha!
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  • Profile picture of the author zelgly2
    As she had told we have to build real relationship with our customers so that they would think you as their family member, which in turn will give you more business. through word of mouth.
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  • Profile picture of the author JamesCx
    Luckily I'm not on enough lists (yet) to have received these messages! However, I do get a tonne of junk to my hotmail inbox... But after you've had the same email for 6+ years, it's expected!
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeff Lenney
    These emails usually get an unsubscribe from me - if they're spam and I never subscribed to begin with - I be sure to report that person for spamming as well...

    I'll take it further, if they're spamming clickbank products with that - I'll email clickbank's support department with a copy of the email - that gets their accounts banned from CB realllll quick like.
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  • Profile picture of the author Spencer Jones
    Very true... I recently bought a WSO from an affiliate who promised to offer a bonus. Instead of the bonus, I started getting 2 - 3 emails per day promoting various other offers. I simply couldn't resist but to unsubscribe. It's just bad practice.

    Treat your list, just the way you want others to treat you...
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Makes me glad I don't use Skype ... I also don't subscribe to very many lists.
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    • Profile picture of the author J Bold
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      Makes me glad I don't use Skype ... I also don't subscribe to very many lists.

      Don't take her word for it. I've never had a problem with being marketed via PMs on skype. No problem at all, and I've added plenty of other warriors on there.
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  • Profile picture of the author PeteTheMonetizer
    I agree with you on the fact that those marketing techniques are unethical.

    However, I disagree with you on building real relationships with specific people you're marketing to.

    I'm not in marketing to build relationships. I'm in marketing to make money.

    I mean seriously, what am I supposed to take the person out to dinner and a movie, hang out with them for 6 months and then try to sell them on something that they may not buy anyways?

    1. The only people I want to build relationships with are people who have already bought something from me or people who I meet in real life.

    2. If I'm being nice to people only for the reason of selling to them later on than I personally feel that's being fake.
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  • Profile picture of the author IGP
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    i used to get the same thing. I just unsubscribed. I hate people like that.
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  • Profile picture of the author affordableweb
    Dealing with spammy titles and misleading emails is a part of web life. I got over it some time ago. I agree if all the send is spammy stuff, just drop the subscription.
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  • Nice post, but I think they will not listen to you. I have seen this a decade ago and will probably see this a decade from now. in-considerate people will be there till they change on their own, they don't tend to listen to others. Just my observation.
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  • Profile picture of the author danr62
    Don't make me get Po Stobinson to come in here...
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    • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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      Originally Posted by danr62 View Post

      Don't make me get Po Stobinson to come in here...
      *Shudders* That won't be necessary

      Back on subject...erm what was the subject? Spamming is bad or something? Yeah, we'll go with that. Spamming is bad guys, M'kay.
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  • Profile picture of the author dv8domainsDotCom
    Back on topic: This is SO my pet peeve!

    The one that I hate the most:

    "The link in the last email was broken"

    REALLY?!?!

    You mean to say, that you're so inept (note: proper use of you're) that you cannot be bothered to check the links in your (a two-fer!) email before sending it to me?

    (And this same (or similar) subject comes from multiple people in multiple emails, often on the same day? So, yeah, I unsubscribed...)

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  • Profile picture of the author Look2live
    Good Post. I totally agree with being annoyed. I have seen so many of these emails that if I printed them all I could wallpaper my whole house. Do they really work? I would be curious for how long?

    Your list is your gold and it should be treated as such. It is only good business sense. As far as building a relationship with your customers, I guess it is whether you want a quick sale or a repeat buyer.

    I have found that people just want to know that who they are buying from is real and is behind what they are selling.

    As far as relationship building I look at that as being real with your customers. No I don't want to invite all my customers home for a drink, but I do want them to feel that they can trust my business.

    Besides, if done right, you could in fact move your business to the next level of consulting or building your own membership site. In these cases relationship is critical to reducing drop rates. As well as building a reputation for over delivery of product or service. If you only want to sell products or services then it may not be as important. Really depends on what the purpose of your business is.
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  • Profile picture of the author scriberr
    I absolutely agree. But everyone has to watch their own back and be aware that the internet is host to a bunch of evil, annoying, ****ty people. As long as you realize that its all good.
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  • Profile picture of the author Patrick Batty
    thankfully the unsubscribe button is very handy.

    If ever I get garbage posts like this, I unsubscribe..

    And if I ever resorted to sending out grabage, I'd expect people on my list to do the same.

    Good post! Thanks Victoria.

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  • Profile picture of the author befree22
    Cut them off completely by forwarding to abuse@THEEMAILCLIENT.com, ex. abuse@yahoo.com abuse@gmail.com ...

    You have to include the full header when you forward spam emails. SquirrelMail doesn't have this option which frustrates me.
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    Oh man, you're post made my day.
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  • Profile picture of the author SAV46E
    Victoria. I agree completely. Can't stand this.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tim Baxa
    Not going to call anyone out, but I have been receiving messages just like this from a Warrior I bought a WSO from that I found very good and informing. Disappointing really.
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    • Profile picture of the author Nightengale
      Victoria, I totally sympathize with you!

      This kind of thing is precisely why I got away from the Warrior Forum for a while and more specifically, the whole IM crowd. (I came back to the WF after a hiatus and hang around occasionally, but I'm not here nearly as often as I used to be.)

      I can't stand the incestuous, IMers-selling-to-other-(mostly wannabe)-IMers nature of IM. Not to mention the unprofessionalism of most people in this market (not all).

      I decided on a niche, target market and business model. I found a mentor to show me the ropes and unsubscribed from all lists except 3. I stay deliberately focused on my business and what my mentor tells me to do.

      I NEVER receive the type of e-mails you described anymore. It's cut down on a lot of frustration and I recommend it to everyone here.

      As for your snarky remarks regarding spelling and grammar...

      Whether bad spelling and grammar are OK is an ongoing debate here. Forums and social media are more informal platforms and so the "rules" are a little but more lax. The occasional typo isn't really a problem. (This post probably has a few.)

      Generally speaking though, proper spelling and grammar are a mark of professionalism. I'm always amazed when people think gross grammar and spelling errors are OK. If you want to do business, they're not.

      People want to sit behind a computer and get rich, but they forget that the Internet is still primarily a text-based medium. So it's even MORE imperative that we use proper spelling and grammar.

      Your glaring grammar error in your subject line is a bigger problem than you think. But I believe that your snarky response to Fluff is worse -- and hurt you more than you know (because it speaks to the kind of person you are).

      It's not a personal thing. It's about business and marketing. And EVERYTHING is marketing, from specific advertising and marketing activities to the way you dress and talk.

      It's been said that when your mouth is open, your business is open. I believe that's true. Online, that translates to the casual comments and posts on social media and forums. It ALL contributes to how people perceive you and how much they trust you. Trust is everything in business.

      It's all of the little things that make a person trust us, not just one thing.

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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    Originally Posted by Victoria Gates View Post

    Another thing... quit auto calling me with offers on my home phone and on Skype especially.
    ...but Victoria, i'm one of these people. Lol...
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    • Profile picture of the author cjreynolds
      Phone? Skype? REALLY??

      The first fool that tries to use my phone as his marketing tool is gonna get a BIG piece of my mind! (so glad that my state has a no-call list for telemarketers)

      But the email stuff really gets me too. Especially the ones with bogus return addresses like "accountspayable@paypal.info" that are usually titled "Problem with Your Account" or some similar BS. I make a beeline to the unsub link...

      However, lately I've been getting mail from several lists that are sending blank emails - they have typical subjects you see in marketing emails, but it seems the entire body of the email has been stripped out. Of course that means there are no unsub links. I almost hate to report these guys, cause it's probably a glitch or something, but I've emailed them (3 times for some) and only one has even replied. I don't know of any other way to stop the emails than to report the guys for spam. :confused:
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  • Profile picture of the author Intimidator
    No need to get angry. Simply unsubscribe from their list
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    • Profile picture of the author davidjames42973
      I get these emails just about everyday recently. Luckily they all wind up in my junk mail and don't pay much attention to them.

      I value all of my subscribers on my list and try to offer good content when I can. When I do promote products it's something that I think my list will benefit from.
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  • Profile picture of the author knish
    There is definitely a right and a wrong way to do IM. If you are stepping on people's toes when doing so or you are violating online policies then you might even find yourself being penalized. Of course, e-mail spam is one of the worst.
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  • Profile picture of the author crosshairs
    I have been getting a ton of those 2nd Notice, Final Notice and Forgot to Tell You emails lately too. Super annoying!
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