Who Do You Trust (the Serious Version)

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Bill Platt raised a question I have been thinking about, but he raised it in a very sarcastic and backhanded way. I'd like to raise it seriously.

How do you decide whose opinions to trust when you read this forum?

I have been amazed at the degree of misinformation dished out by some people here recently with apparently perfect confidence. I am guessing that some readers accept their misinformation as fact.

This question is for those of you who are relatively inexperienced in business and don't know the answers yourselves. When you read a thread in which people vociferously disagree, how do you decide who to believe?

I truly would like to know.

Thanks,
Marcia Yudkin
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  • Profile picture of the author James.N
    In this forum I align my opinions with other members that generally have the same stance as me in other threads. You see a lot of the same members from time to time and you grow to "know" their stances on different topics.
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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    Originally Posted by marciayudkin View Post

    Bill Platt raised a question I have been thinking about, but he raised it in a very sarcastic and backhanded way.

    Yes I did:
    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ust-forum.html




    Originally Posted by marciayudkin View Post

    I have been amazed at the degree of misinformation dished out by some people here recently with apparently perfect confidence. I am guessing that some readers accept their misinformation as fact.

    I am always amazed too at the degree of ignorance some people try to pass off as fact...


    Originally Posted by marciayudkin View Post

    This question is for those of you who are relatively inexperienced in business and don't know the answers yourselves. When you read a thread in which people vociferously disagree, how do you decide who to believe?

    Great question.


    Originally Posted by marciayudkin View Post

    I'd like to raise it seriously.

    How do you decide whose opinions to trust when you read this forum?

    I truly would like to know.

    Thanks,
    Marcia Yudkin

    I'd like to know too...

    For the record, you are one of the people I trust Marcia... Seriously so...

    And thanks for turning my post into a question.



    Originally Posted by quadxnet View Post

    In this forum I align my opinions with other members that generally have the same stance as me in other threads. You see a lot of the same members from time to time and you grow to "know" their stances on different topics.

    That is natural, because people like people who are like themselves...
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  • Profile picture of the author Nickolie0990
    Duh, everybody knows forum posts, doesn't that mean expert the more posts you have.

    Sorry, don't have much a sense of humor.

    Seriously, people who I know have delivered me a result in advanced. If they have helped be in the past, I'm sure they can help in in the future, also I always try to ask questions and get as many options as I can gather.

    That way I can make a better and informed decision my own problems.

    I hope that makes some sense, but that is how get a feel on who to trust and to ignore.

    Mark
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  • Profile picture of the author Ashera
    From lurking the forums for a bit it's easy to grasp a sense between those actually know what they are talking about, and those who are just talking.
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    If i see recurring good information from someone, i generally tend to see them in a favorable light. Doesn't matter if they have 20,000 posts or 20.
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    • Profile picture of the author fin
      I don't JV, so luckily it doesn't matter who I trust.
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      • Profile picture of the author tpw
        Originally Posted by fin View Post

        I don't JV, so luckily it doesn't matter who I trust.

        I suspect the question was more general.

        When you are reading in the forum, what is a good indicator of "who you can trust" to be shooting straight, vs. who is blowing smoke?
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        • Profile picture of the author marciayudkin
          Just to clarify, I'm not talking about JVs and I'm not talking about buying things.

          I'm talking about when you come here and ask a question and half the people give you one set of advice and the other half give you exactly the opposite advice.

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        • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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          Originally Posted by marciayudkin View Post

          Bill Platt raised a question I have been thinking about, but he raised it in a very sarcastic and backhanded way. I'd like to raise it seriously.
          We're being serious now? I'll give it a shot. No promises.

          Originally Posted by marciayudkin View Post

          How do you decide whose opinions to trust when you read this forum?
          A mixture of common sense, research, and testing.

          Originally Posted by marciayudkin View Post

          I have been amazed at the degree of misinformation dished out by some people here recently with apparently perfect confidence. I am guessing that some readers accept their misinformation as fact.
          Doesn't surprise me in the slightest. Look at how easily people lie in the outside world. Add in the anonymity that the internet provides and you are just begging for characters to appear. It's an occupational hazard, unfortunately.

          Originally Posted by marciayudkin View Post

          This question is for those of you who are relatively inexperienced in business and don't know the answers yourselves. When you read a thread in which people vociferously disagree, how do you decide who to believe?
          I like to think I'm not too far removed from inexperienced to be able to answer this. Liars and fakes are a lot easier to find than you would think, assuming you know what to look for. When a debate gets heated, they are the types to stray away from facts, get a bit off topic with their attacks, make sweeping generalizations, and eventually play a "me against the world" attitude.


          Originally Posted by tpw View Post

          When you are reading in the forum, what is a good indicator of "who you can trust" to be shooting straight, vs. who is blowing smoke?
          With a bit of digging, you can usually find this smiley hidden in the"smoke blowers" posts...

          Told you I couldn't stay serious for a whole post.
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          • Profile picture of the author MikeTucker
            Originally Posted by Joe Robinson View Post


            With a bit of digging, you can usually find this smiley hidden in the"smoke blowers" posts...

            Yeah, but nobody pays attention to those jokers anyway.

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            • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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              Originally Posted by MikeTucker View Post

              Yeah, but nobody pays attention to those jokers anyway.

              You'd think so; but some actually build up some decent followings. They're always found out and dealt with in the end though...

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        • Profile picture of the author fin
          Originally Posted by tpw View Post

          I suspect the question was more general.

          When you are reading in the forum, what is a good indicator of "who you can trust" to be shooting straight, vs. who is blowing smoke?
          In that case, I just use common sense.

          If someone tells me something I'll go with my gut feeling.

          That said, there is a few people I trust because they have helped me out and are nice people.
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      • Profile picture of the author John Stiles
        Marcia,

        This is a great question with no easy answer.

        I find that experience is the best teacher. Unfortunately, you can get burned as you gain that experience.

        You buy stuff that turns out to be crap, the seller gets put in the do not buy from again column. Someone gives bad advice or crappy answers, they go in the ignore list. Over time you have a list of people you trust. Though the list will typically be much smaller.

        Through experience, an open mind, and open eyes, it doesn't take long to come up with your own list of trusted advisors and trusted marketers.

        Self assessment can help in the quest for the truth. Ask yourself questions, why did I buy the product? Is this persons advice valid? If someone gives an answer, what makes it the right answer? Some due diligence is needed. Not only ask yourself questions, ask questions of others. The answers will help sort out who goes in the ignore list or the trusted list.

        Not likely this is all that helpful. Just as there is no magic button for success, there is no easy answer to "Who Do You Trust".

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    • Profile picture of the author Adrian Int
      Originally Posted by Ashera View Post

      From lurking the forums for a bit it's easy to grasp a sense between those actually know what they are talking about, and those who are just talking.
      Originally Posted by Randall Magwood View Post

      If i see recurring good information from someone, i generally tend to see them in a favorable light. Doesn't matter if they have 20,000 posts or 20.
      That about sums it up, for me.

      There are a few users who I see consistently providing great feedback in threads they visit. These are the folks I tend to "trust" when they say something about a topic.

      The number of posts isn't as important as the quality of the posts. However, it's hard to tell if someone is the real deal if they've only posted twice. It's because of that fact that it's hard to discount post count completely.

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  • Profile picture of the author cashtree
    Unfortunately high post count seems to earn people respect around here(not sure why), personally i'm like Randall, I look for quality answers from people and could care less about post count.
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    • Profile picture of the author Woowah
      Originally Posted by cashtree View Post

      Unfortunately high post count seems to earn people respect around here(not sure why), personally i'm like Randall, I look for quality answers from people and could care less about post count.
      I too am at a loss as to why high post count should equate to a certain level of respect.

      While I'm not a great serial poster, I do read through the threads quite a lot and am amazed at the number of times someone poses what seems like a genuine question or help request, and someone (or two or three) who have a high post count and should know better, go on the attack and denounce the ignorance or stupidity of the questioner.

      From a purely personal point of view I have a natural distrust of people who spout a lot of fluff, or hype, or say much with out saying anything.

      Biggest turn off are those three little words.......I CAN HELP! Makes my interest sink faster than the Titanic.

      I'm going back into my dark place now.

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  • Profile picture of the author knish
    I just take what I agree with-what I think will work for me. Then, I discard the rest. If the answers sound intelligent and professional, those are the points of view I would most trust.
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  • Profile picture of the author drmani
    Originally Posted by marciayudkin View Post

    When you read a thread in which people vociferously disagree, how do you decide who to believe?

    I truly would like to know.
    Seth Godin analyzed this nicely in his book, "All Marketers Are Liars",
    in which he goes deep into "world view" and explains how marketers (or
    indeed anyone) isn't going to shift a prospect's worldview in any real
    or lasting way.

    So, people will trust those who share their worldview.

    I have an (maybe my only) original aphorism that segues nicely with
    this philosophy - and it is "What you believe is your truth".

    Together, these two principles may explain who anyone trusts - and why!

    All success
    Dr.Mani
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    • Profile picture of the author shescribes
      I'm just observing for awhile. I'm skeptical after being sent a free copy (can't remember what it was) and being asked to give a good review. That was a turn-off.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nixgan
    Everything should be looked through and thought about.

    I seriously doubt any warrior will put lousy or misleading links.

    After all,
    if they wanna market internet marketing products,
    this could be one of the hardest places to do so.

    The signatures are all like a "have or not, I am fine" thing.

    Just take what you need and discard those you do not.
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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by Nixgan View Post

      I seriously doubt any warrior will put lousy or misleading links.

      After all,
      if they wanna market internet marketing products,
      this could be one of the hardest places to do so.

      You are new. We will forgive you.

      It really is a buyer-beware world outside and inside the forum.
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  • Profile picture of the author JeanneLynn
    I'm starting to get paranoid about who to trust. I worry that some people deliberately put out bad advice to mislead others.

    I tend to trust people who have been here the longest. Especially people who are courteous and helpful to others.

    I tend to trust people who don't come off like a jerk in their posts. Jerky and aggressive behavior is used to intimidate people and lead them astray.

    I also don't trust people who excessively brag or gloat.

    If someone is newly registered and already talking like they're an IM Guru, I discount any advice they may give. I mean, where did they come from? They just registered within the past month and they act like they know it all? I suspect many of these people were probably banned from this forum previously and have now re-registered.

    I don't trust people who are mean to new members. When I first registered, I tried to help someone who was desperate for money. I asked him if he was able to write. I realize now it was not good advice, but I was only trying to help. And the older members didn't have to be so mean about it. They could have pointed out my error nicely instead of resorting to humiliation tactics.

    I don't trust people who never (or rarely) hit the "Thank you" button. I see some people who have 100's of posts and they've never thanked anyone. It's hard for me to believe that they've never read a post that helped them. I think of these people as takers, not givers. A person like that would only think of himself or his own personal gain. I wouldn't trust them or purchase anything from them.

    I was glad to see this topic!
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    • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
      When you read a thread in which people vociferously disagree
      You use big words. I trust you.

      Originally Posted by drmani View Post


      I have an (maybe my only) original aphorism that segues nicely with
      this philosophy - and it is "What you believe is your truth".
      Don't think I've seen that word either. You are approved.

      As I'm new I generally trust everyone. And try to believe that every one here is for everyone.
      You need to sign up to my list immediately! :p

      Seriously, you should not trust everyone here.

      Anyone can be anyone on the internet.

      To answer the initial question, there is a list of who I trust and there is no specific criteria as each case is very different.

      Having said that, I can give you some ideas of things that may or may not be important when deciphering who to trust as it pertains to this forum.

      1. Using real name. I realize some like to remain anonymous, but using your real name can add credibility.

      2. Using real picture. Not always a deal breaker, but in many cases your credibility will go down the crapper due to some past experiences I have had.

      3. What is on your site. I click links, check whois data, look at what you're pushing and I can get a good idea about what you think is ok to promote and if you really are who you say you are here.

      4. Your answers to others and how they compare to how I might answer something.

      5. Sense of humor. I think this has to do with ability for social interaction in general which that helps to create a bond of sorts.

      Not the end all be all list by any means, but just some general things that will take me in the direction of decision making.
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    • Profile picture of the author Lori Kelly
      Originally Posted by Warrior Machine View Post

      As I'm new I generally trust everyone. And try to believe that every one here is for everyone.
      I would like to agree with you but I can't. I am the type of person who generally believes all people are good until proven otherwise. But that's in person and not in an online community.

      I use common sense and a crap detector.

      There is a lot of information on this forum and you have to be able to determine how it can help or hurt you.

      The way I see it, I'm on my own. If I happen to read something that will help my business, I take it apart and analyze it. I test it to see if it works.

      There have been many people here that I have developed relationships with outside the forum. We email each other and we help each other.

      When someone is willing to spend hours to help me with no expectations, I trust them. And as in the real world, we develop a friendship and I wouldn't hesitate to spend hours helping them too.
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  • Profile picture of the author zelgly2
    Most of the threads that is posted here has some valuable comments in it.so if it is good and new take it and experiment it and see. take whatever is good and leave the rest.
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    • Profile picture of the author marciayudkin
      Most of the threads that is posted here has some valuable comments in it.so if it is good and new take it and experiment it and see. take whatever is good and leave the rest.
      Now here is an example of partly useless and partly harmful advice. Sorry to pick on you, zelgly2.

      It's useless because if you are inexperienced, you don't always know how to distinguish good advice from bad advice. Some of the bad advice can sound more like common sense.

      And it's harmful because if you take some of the bad advice and "experiment and see" you could end up in a world of trouble.

      That's why I get worried when I see a thread here that contains an equal balance of good and bad advice on a topic where the bad advice is - in my view - quite dangerous.

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  • Profile picture of the author TheArticlePros
    Marcia:

    If you go through all the posts before mine that had more than 3 lines of response in them, you begin to get my way of finding out how to trust.

    Unlike the others, I do tend to "follow" more closely the replies from people with higher posts counts combined with older sign-up dates. Not all of them, though. There is one in particular that I thought was a good person to follow until she ripped one of my replies to pieces, and now I see her do it regularly, so I read her stuff for pure entertainment value, much in the way I try to avoid Jersey Shore at all costs.

    If I come across a post that makes sense, I'll click on the author's name and see what else s/he has written. If I really like the author and some of his/her other work, I'll send a PM to him or her thank them. If I get a good reply, I'll trust them a little more.

    It's all about relationship building.

    The others that I follow are the members who have the same comedic style I try to come across with at times. I also look for people in my same part of the world (S. Georgia).

    Outside of that, I think all of yall are full of it and I'm the only one with the right answers.

    No...not really. I do have one other litmus test, though. If I see a person who gets called out multiple times in a short period of time (1-2 days) by a lot of users, than I know I can't trust them at all. Once my trust is gone, it doesn't come back.

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  • Profile picture of the author Kal Sallam
    Some common sense should do it plus a little research on the topic.
    This is why I always believed in learning from successful folks. Just follow
    The road map they took before you and will get to where they're at.
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