How Can I introduce 50 people per day to my MLM business ?

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I just joined an MLM business.

How can I introduce 50 people per day to my MLM business?

Those that don't join my business, I would like to convert them to buy the product, which is a health and wellness product.


What would you recommend?

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  • Profile picture of the author AdwordsMogul
    First and foremost, a day will come you'll probably realize that you don't have a business - MLM is a business model that exists partially because it makes people believe they have a business.

    Secondly, just as in any real business, you need to identify who your best prospects are. Once you understand their needs and wants find out where you can find them.

    Then let them know what your offer is and why they should choose what you give them over anything else.

    The most important bit: those who will buy your products are not the same group who will sell your products. This means you need two separate campaigns - one to get people to join and one to get people to buy.
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    • Profile picture of the author Content Traders
      Originally Posted by AdwordsMogul View Post

      First and foremost, a day will come you'll probably realize that you don't have a business - MLM is a business model that exists partially because it makes people believe they have a business.

      Secondly, just as in any real business, you need to identify who your best prospects are. Once you understand their needs and wants find out where you can find them.

      Then let them know what your offer is and why they should choose what you give them over anything else.

      The most important bit: those who will buy your products are not the same group who will sell your products. This means you need two separate campaigns - one to get people to join and one to get people to buy.
      Fully agree
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  • Profile picture of the author Benjam1n
    Do you not think it would have been a good idea to research this before you decided to join?
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Thorsett
    The biggest thing that will help you is to get away from a mindset of "making money" and move toward a mindset of "helping people" -- and I'm not presupposing that you're already in one mindset or the other (I can't tell from your short initial post).

    Just focus on helping people; the money will come.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mighty
    I agree with Michael.

    You have to go with the mindset of HELPING people.

    Now think carefully, what MLM business are you promoting, identify how this MLM product is going to benefit persons, and then point these benefits to your prospects. DONT SELL

    Persons will be more willing to help you if you going to help them get rid of their problem.
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    • Profile picture of the author AdwordsMogul
      Originally Posted by Mighty View Post


      ...
      dentify how this MLM product is going to benefit persons, and then point these benefits to your prospects. DONT SELL
      ...
      Uh... that's selling.
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  • Profile picture of the author AceOfShirts
    If you are selling a health and wellness product then the products probably help or cure a certain problem with people. See if you can find a forum or other online area where people that need your product go. Maybe there is a Yahoo group, FB group and maybe even another forum.

    50 per day is a pretty high target, especially if you are just getting started. Putting an ad on a forum that gets 50 visits per day isn't the same as introducing 50 people to your business. Introducing people to your business usually requires more discussion and/or effort to contact the people.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tim Franklin
    Can I ask a simple question, why would you want to do that?

    What I mean by this is what your doing is promoting the business that in all likelihood you are not the owner, and most likely you will not receive the maximum benefit of your hard work.

    Its just that I dont understand what the difference between working off line in an hourly job, (one that at least you get health care most of the time at least) and working for an online MLM program where you (might get paid)

    But here is what I am curious about, what IF,

    What if you promoted those 50 people into a list, of buyers, and you produced your own product, one that at least some of those 50 people would buy, then you would be in a position to profit from that work, as it is now, your not the boss, your working for someone else.

    Just an observation, I realize that it can be easier to try to promote and work for someone else, to make a few bucks here and there and you know what most of us went down that road, but what we found out was that most of the time these MLM things do not pay out, and if you find that to be true, later on, "Chalk it up" to experience and find another way, but this time work for yourself not someone else, or better than that work with someone, I find that to be a very rewarding thing to do.
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    • Profile picture of the author TonyLaw
      Originally Posted by Tim Franklin View Post

      ...What I mean by this is what your doing is promoting the business that in all likelihood you are not the owner, and most likely you will not receive the maximum benefit of your hard work...
      What's the difference between that and affiliate marketing? In AM you're not the owner but are just promoting someone else's product for a small commission.
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  • Profile picture of the author SAV46E
    The most striking thing to me is that the MLM people you are working for should have all the answers for you and training to help you grow your business. If they cannot do this then you need to re-evaluate your choice. If you were already up and running and looking to further leverage what you have then it would be a different matter.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by Freelancing10 View Post

    What would you recommend?
    I'd recommend "qualifying" people seriously, and sponsoring only people who understand what a business is, have some start-up capital well above and beyond the joining-costs (yes, they will need it, even if the company says they won't), understand the concept of self-employed home-based businesses, are well motivated and serious, are not currently active in any other MLM company, and so on.

    Spend your time only with "high probability prospects" who were already actively looking for a home-based business opportunity before you have contact with them. Never try to persuade people. It's easy to do, and you can sponsor many that way, but none of them will still be with you in a year's time, and you won't have built a business.

    I had only a year's part-time experience of MLM (actually even a little less than that) but that was enough to convince me that it is not a "numbers game". It's about quality and retention of both distributors and customers. The easier it is to sign someone up, the easier it is to lose them to the "next opportunity" when someone else does the same next week or next month.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
    Originally Posted by Freelancing10 View Post

    I just joined an MLM business.

    How can I introduce 50 people per day to my MLM business?

    Those that don't join my business, I would like to convert them to buy the product, which is a health and wellness product.


    What would you recommend?
    As usual... start a thread asking a legitimate question about a
    legitimate business and all the anti-mlm people who know next to
    nothing about the business jump in with their two cents worth... lol

    I've been in this business for a long time... longer than probably
    most of the other posters in this thread have been alive. I've enjoyed
    a great deal of success... I tell you this hoping you might understand
    the recommendation I'm going to give...

    Scrap this idea immediately. Exposing your business to mass numbers
    of people via the internet is not how a successful mlm business is built.

    It's built by connecting... REALLY CONNECTING... with people on a one
    to one basis who are, or will become, leaders who will duplicate a few
    simple actions and perform them on a consistent daily basis.

    There is no path to long term mlm success in marketing to the masses via the internet.
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    • Profile picture of the author AdwordsMogul
      Originally Posted by Tsnyder View Post

      As usual... start a thread asking a legitimate question about a
      legitimate business and all the anti-mlm people who know next to
      nothing about the business jump in with their two cents worth... lol

      I've been in this business for a long time... l
      .... I've enjoyed
      a great deal of success... I tell you this hoping you might understand
      the recommendation I'm going to give...

      ...
      Yeah right. I don't doubt you have achieved significant success. Would you care to define it though? I think it wasn't through selling what is being sold to people like the OP.

      And as usual, you assume people know next to nothing about MLM. Or you simply use that argument to convince people.

      MLM is flawed at the core as far as new recruits are concerned.

      But, I guess those who chose to believe in it deserve whatever comes to them.
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      • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
        Originally Posted by AdwordsMogul View Post

        Yeah right. I don't doubt you have achieved significant success. Would you care to define it though? I think it wasn't through selling what is being sold to people like the OP.

        And as usual, you assume people know next to nothing about MLM. Or you simply use that argument to convince people.

        MLM is flawed at the core as far as new recruits are concerned.

        But, I guess those who chose to believe in it deserve whatever comes to them.
        I don't assume anything. I observe what people say and do. Their words
        and actions tell me everything I need to know. You clearly know very little
        about MLM.

        Exactly who do you think I'm trying to convince? Just so you know... people
        who know nothing about mlm think it involves convincing people.
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      • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
        Originally Posted by AdwordsMogul View Post

        Yeah right. I don't doubt you have achieved significant success. Would you care to define it though? I think it wasn't through selling what is being sold to people like the OP.
        The OP wrote precisely 3 sentences then asked a question.

        Please tell me how you determined from that information
        what the OP was "sold" or what type of person the OP is.

        By the way... another tip... people who know nothing about mlm
        assume that new recruits have to be sold on joining.
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        • Profile picture of the author AdwordsMogul
          Originally Posted by Tsnyder View Post

          The OP wrote precisely 3 sentences then asked a question.

          Please tell me how you determined from that information
          what the OP was "sold" or what type of person the OP is.

          By the way... another tip... people who know nothing about mlm
          assume that new recruits have to be sold on joining.
          You know what, I think it's best if we don't go on with this argument because it will take the thread off course. You want to sell the pink, poisoned cool-aid, go on. It's legal at the moment.

          Of course they have to be sold. Regardless of whatever you offer whether it's selling burgers, asking people to give to charity, or join an MLM scheme you need a carefully prepared sales presentation to get the best results.

          You are already twisting reality, which is typical of MLM practitioners who understand how it REALLY works.

          Let's not argue. At the end of the day, the OP and many other people who do MLM will either:

          a) Start a real business and end up making money
          b) Wake up and starting doing what you do

          or

          c) Go on for many years not getting the returns on their investments of time and money.

          Please don't insult the intelligence of the good people on this forum by saying I "assume new recruits need to be sold."
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          • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
            Originally Posted by AdwordsMogul View Post

            You know what, I think it's best if we don't go on with this argument because it will take the thread off course. You want to sell the pink, poisoned cool-aid, go on. It's legal at the moment.

            Of course they have to be sold. Regardless of whatever you offer whether it's selling burgers, asking people to give to charity, or join an MLM scheme you need a carefully prepared sales presentation to get the best results.

            You are already twisting reality, which is typical of MLM practitioners who understand how it REALLY works.

            Let's not argue. At the end of the day, the OP and many other people who do MLM will either:

            a) Start a real business and end up making money
            b) Wake up and starting doing what you do

            or

            c) Go on for many years not getting the returns on their investments of time and money.

            Please don't insult the intelligence of the good people on this forum by saying I "assume new recruits need to be sold."
            I'm not arguing with you. You have no argument to offer that
            is based on reality. You have your perceptions and misinformation
            based on pretty much nothing. I'm just here to correct the record.

            I'm not insulting the intelligence of good people. I'm informing the knowledge
            of good people who are humble enough to know when they don't know something.
            Your ramblings on the subject are, in fact, based on nothing more than assumptions.

            It's simple, really. One of us has been doing this for decades and
            knows what he's talking about. One of us hasn't... and doesn't.

            I'm pretty sure we both know which is which.
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        Originally Posted by AdwordsMogul View Post

        Yeah right. I don't doubt you have achieved significant success. Would you care to define it though? I think it wasn't through selling what is being sold to people like the OP.
        Mogul...I've known Tsnyder for MANY years.

        No we are not in the same company and never have been.

        He knows what he is talking about and yes...he has achieved significant success.

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  • Profile picture of the author Andrew Simond
    You make advertise on social network such as facebook, myspace etc.
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    You can tell to the people you know.
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      By any chance, is the mlm business ASEA?
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  • Profile picture of the author zelgly2
    First and foremost know about the product. whether it does what it says. if the product is for diabetes for example target diabetes patients and explain the plus of your product.write a blog about the product, connect in facebook and tell your friends about the product.Their relatives might be in need of such product.only if you connect with your customers you can sell. real concern has to be there.
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  • Profile picture of the author AdwordsMogul
    Hahaha

    Just one example. I had a client who was involved with a "reputable" MLM company that most people know. (cough.. uhm the herbalife people)

    Here is the catch: she is not allowed to advertise the product in any way shape or form. So even if she wants to pay for a full page ad - she can't)

    Another couldn't sell anywhere she wanted because the Avon manager decided to "give everyone their streets".

    Why would you impose such restrictions on people who are adults and want to run a business? How can they make the most possible money if they are not free to use the best tools available?

    If you don't sell people on joining, how to you get them to be part of the scheme?
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    • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
      Originally Posted by AdwordsMogul View Post

      Hahaha

      Just one example. I had a client who was involved with a "reputable" MLM company that most people know. (cough.. uhm the herbalife people)

      Here is the catch: she is not allowed to advertise the product in any way shape or form. So even if she wants to pay for a full page ad - she can't)

      Another couldn't sell anywhere she wanted because the Avon manager decided to "give everyone their streets".

      Why would you impose such restrictions on people who are adults and want to run a business? How can they make the most possible money if they are not free to use the best tools available?

      If you don't sell people on joining, how to you get them to be part of the scheme?
      If you actually knew something about MLM you'd know why
      such restrictions are in place. I wouldn't even consider being
      part of a company that allowed any old internet cowboy to start
      throwing up squeeze pages and running ads. Especially if the
      product is ingested into the human body, applied topically, or
      sublingually. That's just asking for trouble.

      There is a pretty long list of companies that were shut down by
      the FTC and FDA because "renegade" distributors put up websites
      and ran ads using language that violated federal legal standards
      for such products. When that happens everyone's hard work is in
      jeopardy... not just the offender's.

      As for the Avon rep... she needs to read her contract and call the
      company. I'd be surprised if that manager has the authority to assign
      anyone to a restricted territory. Sounds to me like another one of
      the idiots who seem to try their hardest to give my profession a bad name.

      When I say I don't sell anyone on the idea of joining my business I
      suppose I should define the term sell. I know that when money or other
      consideration is exchanged for a product or service a sale is made.

      That's elementary.

      I'm talking about the common perception of sales most people
      think of when the term is used. Let me be more specific. I don't
      use any language designed to convince anyone to do anything they
      wouldn't otherwise have done. I don't try to nudge them, guide them
      or influence them in any way other than providing them with honest
      information and honest answers to any questions they might have.

      Experience has shown me that when you have to "convince" or "sell"
      someone on the idea of joining your business they aren't going to be
      productive anyway. It's a complete waste of time, energy and resources.

      I'm looking for the people for whom this is the right thing to be doing
      at this time in their lives. Basically, I'm looking for people who are looking
      for me. There is no shortage of people who fit that description.

      Those people are eager, coach-able and ready to go to work to build
      something for themselves. They don't need a pitch. They don't need
      convincing. They need competent training and leadership.

      The path to long term success in this business does not include twisting
      arms or chasing people around. The people who do that usually annoy
      everyone around them to the point where those people come on internet
      forums and disparage the business model... then they quit and tell everyone
      how mlm doesn't work.

      Succeeding in MLM is no different than any other business. There is a set
      of skills required. Upon learning those skills they must then be applied on a
      consistent daily basis.

      There's no magic... there's no mystery... it's no different than anything else.
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      • Profile picture of the author AdwordsMogul
        Originally Posted by Tsnyder View Post

        If you actually knew something about MLM you'd know why
        such restrictions are in place. ...
        I know why such restrictions are in place. As you said, the company needs to protect itself.

        Now, I agree - most people should not be doing this because they are not qualified.

        Those who are, understand the businesses they are in. In this case they don't need MLM - they are better off running their own business that's actually (more) profitable.

        The average person doesn't have the understanding of what it means to run a business. Combine this with the restrictions, and they are seriously crippled.

        Now, MLM companies are made by smart people (on top). So they do smart things. One of the things you do as a smart business person is to give yourself the best possible advantage in the marketplace.

        So you stack the odds in your favour.

        Now regardless of the reason why the restrictions are created, they are still depriving people from the ability to grow a real business. But they make the recruits dependant on the company's advice, training etc.

        The odds are against the recruit.

        I don't even want to get started on commission structures.
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        • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
          Originally Posted by AdwordsMogul View Post

          I know why such restrictions are in place. As you said, the company needs to protect itself.

          Now, I agree - most people should not be doing this because they are not qualified.

          Those who are, understand the businesses they are in. In this case they don't need MLM - they are better off running their own business that's actually (more) profitable.

          The average person doesn't have the understanding of what it means to run a business. Combine this with the restrictions, and they are seriously crippled.

          Now, MLM companies are made by smart people (on top). So they do smart things. One of the things you do as a smart business person is to give yourself the best possible advantage in the marketplace.

          So you stack the odds in your favour.

          Now regardless of the reason why the restrictions are created, they are still depriving people from the ability to grow a real business. But they make the recruits dependant on the company's advice, training etc.

          The odds are against the recruit.

          I don't even want to get started on commission structures.
          When you asked that question is your previous post I had
          hope that you actually wanted to have a serious conversation.

          Now, you post more drivel based on your erroneous assumptions and beliefs.
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          • Profile picture of the author AdwordsMogul
            Originally Posted by Tsnyder View Post

            ....
            Now, you post more drivel based on your erroneous assumptions and beliefs.
            I see. Just point out where I'm wrong.
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            • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
              Originally Posted by AdwordsMogul View Post

              I see. Just point out where I'm wrong.
              Most of what you posted was wrong. Taking the time to, once again,
              explain why would, I fear, be a waste of time. You have your erroneous
              notions to comfort you. Why try to disturb that?
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              • Profile picture of the author AdwordsMogul
                Originally Posted by Tsnyder View Post

                Most of what you posted was wrong. Taking the time to, once again,
                explain why would, I fear, be a waste of time. You have your erroneous
                notions to comfort you. Why try to disturb that?
                Look, let's cut it. You're just being elusive. The fact alone that people aren't allowed to mass market gives them a disadvantage.

                Why would anyone want to do business with a company that puts them in such a position.

                Again, the only way to make real money form MLM is by mass marketing it to recruits. But don't allow them to do the same.
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                • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
                  Originally Posted by AdwordsMogul View Post

                  Look, let's cut it. You're just being elusive. The fact alone that people aren't allowed to mass market gives them a disadvantage.

                  Why would anyone want to do business with a company that puts them in such a position.

                  Again, the only way to make real money form MLM is by mass marketing it to recruits. But don't allow them to do the same.
                  I'm reminded of a famous quote from Ronald Reagan.

                  "The problem with Democrats isn't what they know, it's
                  what they know that isn't true."

                  That, my adwords friend, is you.

                  You sit behind your keyboard and try to tell a guy who's been doing
                  this since 1971 how it's done successfully. You remind me of my kids
                  when they were younger. When I'd try to explain to them how something
                  they wanted to do would work better another way they'd often stomp their
                  feet and insist that they knew best. The fact that they had no basis whatsoever
                  for that belief meant nothing to them... as it means nothing to you.

                  By the way... they're all pretty happy these days that I chose this path... lol

                  One more thing... if your way is THE way show me a list of all those
                  successful people on this forum doing it your way. I know they're here.
                  I also know that for every one of them there are HUNDREDS who haven't
                  made their first dime... many who have been at it for years.

                  I'm sure you'll have a rational explanation as to why that's true... or better.
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                  • Profile picture of the author AdwordsMogul
                    Originally Posted by Tsnyder View Post

                    ...
                    You sit behind your keyboard and try to tell a guy who's been doing
                    this since 1971 how it's done successfully. ...
                    I gotta go out coz it's Saturday - I'll try to make this quick.

                    I know, you know your stuff and I find it quite possible that you're quite successful when it comes to MLM.

                    What I'm saying is that you're not saying the TRUTH about it. In other words, you say the same stuff MLM companies say to people to get them to join and remain the schemes.

                    It's simple - every business needs to secure the best possible market advantage. MLM doesn't allow recruits to do that.

                    As you said, it's not a mass marketing business model (for the recruits i.e.)

                    So that's a disadvantage coz there isn't enough flexibility.

                    That's just one little reason why MLM is not right. But it's enough - fortunately for you most recruits are not sophisticated enough to understand complex business logic. (except of course they jump to the same side you're on.)

                    So, yeah you know MLM, no doubt. I have found the arguments you use not to be true - and I know Amway teaches people to think "If they have doubts, it probably means they don't have enough information about MLM" (I'm paraphrasing one of their tapes)
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  • Profile picture of the author Freelancing10
    Okay guys, I am not asking if MLM is right for you, or if it's flawed or not.

    My question is very simple, which pretty much everyone of you have failed to answer.

    How do I get people IN FRONT of my opportunity?

    I am not asking for other advice.

    Just that. I don't care if you believe in the model, if I am promoting someone else's business, if your grandmother didn't succeed in it, or any other opinion.

    I just want to know, how do you introduce 50 people a day to my opportunity?

    Thank you for those that don't come in here just to bash the MLM business. If you want to do that, then obviously you don't care about answering my question, so go somewhere else and ramble about your issues with MLM.

    I am not asking you guys to join me, I simply asked a question!!
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    • Profile picture of the author AdwordsMogul
      Originally Posted by Freelancing10 View Post

      Okay guys, I am not asking if MLM is right for you, or if it's flawed or not.

      My question is very simple, which pretty much everyone of you have failed to answer.

      How do I get people IN FRONT of my opportunity?

      I am not asking for other advice.

      Just that. I don't care if you believe in the model, if I am promoting someone else's business, or anything else.

      I just want to know, how do you introduce 50 people a day to my opportunity?

      Thank you for those that don't come in here just to bash the MLM business. If you want to do that, then obviously you don't care about answering my question.
      Nobody is bashing MLM. Sometimes truth hurts. You'll find that out soon enough.

      In any case, I gave you advice in my first post on this thread.

      Here is another: you won't always hear the answer you want. That doesn't mean it's invalid.

      Let's give you what you want:

      Here is what I would do, if I wanted to get 50 new customers: I would put a full page ad in the local newspaper letting them know what I have to offer.

      I would also go to local places where the best prospects hang out with sales literature prepared specially for them.

      I would also have a direct mail campaign in place to follow up on the prospects who get in touch.

      BUT - I guess you're not allowed to do that.


      Now, the good thing is, you're focused on making it happen. That's really good. At least, you won't have any doubt in your mind about whether this can work for you or not. So keep that up.

      The only thing I would say is, in business you need to be objective. When facts are presented to you, don't turn away from them - in the very least acknowledge the risk.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by Freelancing10 View Post

      I just want to know, how do you introduce 50 people a day to my opportunity?
      By advertising. Offline.

      In ways that attract only people who are already looking for a home-based business (i.e. not people looking for "work at home" - they typically don't last the course because they tend, collectively, not to have the "business owner mindset" that you need to identify in people before committing yourself to all the time you'll need to spend with/on them at the start, if you're not going to lose them all a little way down the road). There are certainly enough of them around, in this economy.
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      • Profile picture of the author Freelancing10
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        By advertising. Offline.

        In ways that attract only people who are already looking for a home-based business (i.e. not people looking for "work at home" - they typically don't last the course because they tend, collectively, not to have the "business owner mindset" that you need to identify in people before committing yourself to all the time you'll need to spend with/on them at the start, if you're not going to lose them all a little way down the road). There are certainly enough of them around, in this economy.

        What are some methods of finding these people offline? I've seen many people have success with online marketing. I am very opened to offline marketing as well.

        Adwordmdule offered some great advice. Any more aside from this?

        I want to be somewhat successful by introducing my cold market before I attempt my warm market. Warm market can't wait to join especially if you can show them a big check.
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        • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
          Originally Posted by Freelancing10 View Post

          What are some methods of finding these people offline? I've seen many people have success with online marketing. I am very opened to offline marketing as well.

          Adwordmdule offered some great advice. Any more aside from this?

          I want to be somewhat successful by introducing my cold market before I attempt my warm market. Warm market can't wait to join especially if you can show them a big check.
          If you believe that the way to recruit in the warm market is to wave a check
          around please leave this business today. That is illegal and does nothing but
          ultimately give everyone in mlm another undeserved black eye.

          The sooner you come to the understanding that this is not a mass marketing
          business model the sooner you will get on with the necessary work required to
          become successful.

          You find people in the real world by engaging in life. Get up from the
          computer... get out of the house... talk to people. Listen very hard to
          the things they say. Are they happy in their current situation? Are they
          looking to make changes in their life?

          Most importantly... don't believe all the alleged online mlm gurus. Their only
          purpose is to sell you a "system." I've yet to meet one who is actually earning
          any substantial money doing anything other than selling their system.
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          • Profile picture of the author AdwordsMogul
            Originally Posted by Tsnyder View Post

            ... this is not a mass marketing
            business model ...
            This is the closest to honesty I have ever seen coming from someone who promotes MLM.

            So, I have to give you my RESPECT for that.

            Now, how does an Avon lady make a fortune if she can't mass market (the way the parent company does - hmm...)
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            • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
              Originally Posted by AdwordsMogul View Post

              This is the closest to honesty I have ever seen coming from someone who promotes MLM.

              So, I have to give you my RESPECT for that.

              Now, how does an Avon lady make a fortune if she can't mass market (the way the parent company does - hmm...)
              If I wanted to know the answer to that question
              I'd ask an Avon lady who has earned a fortune... not
              an internet adwords "guru"

              See the point?
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          • Profile picture of the author Freelancing10
            Originally Posted by Tsnyder View Post

            If you believe that the way to recruit in the warm market is to wave a check
            around please leave this business today. That is illegal and does nothing but
            ultimately give everyone in mlm another undeserved black eye.

            The sooner you come to the understanding that this is not a mass marketing
            business model the sooner you will get on with the necessary work required to
            become successful.

            You find people in the real world by engaging in life. Get up from the
            computer... get out of the house... talk to people. Listen very hard to
            the things they say. Are they happy in their current situation? Are they
            looking to make changes in their life?

            Most importantly... don't believe all the alleged online mlm gurus. Their only
            purpose is to sell you a "system." I've yet to meet one who is actually earning
            any substantial money doing anything other than selling their system.

            You are right about that. My intention wasn't to wave a big check around. What I meant to say, is that once people you know see you living comfortably, they get more intrigued and will most likely ask you about your business, and how they can do it for themselves.

            I guess my question is this, once you run out of your warm market, how do you get more prospects?
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            • Profile picture of the author AdwordsMogul
              Originally Posted by Freelancing10 View Post

              You are right about that. My intention wasn't to wave a big check around. What I meant to say, is that once people you know see you living comfortably, they get more intrigued and will most likely ask you about your business, and how they can do it for themselves.
              Yeah, but MLM ,the way you are doing it, will not give you a comfortable life. If you don't believe me just go on for a few more months.

              Unless you plan to get money another way (like the large MLM companies) and pretend it was MLM that gave you the lifestyle.
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              • Profile picture of the author Freelancing10
                Originally Posted by AdwordsMogul View Post

                Yeah, but MLM ,the way you are doing it, will not give you a comfortable life. If you don't believe me just go on for a few more months.

                Unless you plan to get money another way (like the large MLM companies) and pretend it was MLM that gave you the lifestyle.
                A few months? Okay, obviously a few months won't cut it. This is a long term venture, not a few months hobby.
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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          Originally Posted by Freelancing10 View Post

          What are some methods of finding these people offline?
          You need to listen to Tsnyder on that, not to me. I was in MLM for a year, 4+ years ago. I only talk the talk. He walks the walk, and extremely successfully, and has done for some decades.

          Originally Posted by Freelancing10 View Post

          I want to be somewhat successful by introducing my cold market before I attempt my warm market.
          For the purposes of sponsoring people, I think your warm market is useful only if it comprises people who are already looking for a home-based business.

          "Warm markets" can be very cold, if they're not already looking. (They might like the products, but that's another story).

          "Cold markets", on the other hand, if you have a way of attracting only the people who are already looking, can be very warm.

          Originally Posted by Freelancing10 View Post

          Warm market can't wait to join especially if you can show them a big check.
          You can't. Not in most countries, anyway - not without having regulators and legal authorities breathing down your neck. That's "Income Claim City". If you're in a company that advises its distributors to promote in that way, get out now, because that company probably won't still be there in 5 years' time (and maybe even not in 2 years' time). Don't imagine that just because something's true, it's necessarily legal to use it as a claim in your advertising/promotion.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheSalesBooster
    Heres a better idea. Focus your time doing something else. Anything else is better than MLM
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    • Profile picture of the author Freelancing10
      Originally Posted by TheSalesBooster View Post

      Heres a better idea. Focus your time doing something else. Anything else is better than MLM
      I can tell you are just here to gain some post counts, instead of actually reading my question, and my disclaimer.
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      • Profile picture of the author AdwordsMogul
        Originally Posted by Freelancing10 View Post

        I can tell you are just here to gain some post counts, instead of actually reading my question, and my disclaimer.
        NO. This is good advice. The only thing is it will take you a long time to realize it.
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        • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
          Originally Posted by AdwordsMogul View Post

          NO. This is good advice. The only thing is it will take you a long time to realize it.
          NO... good advice comes from those who have the knowledge
          and experience to comment on the subject with some authority.

          Neither you nor the other poster qualify.
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        • Profile picture of the author Freelancing10
          Originally Posted by AdwordsMogul View Post

          NO. This is good advice. The only thing is it will take you a long time to realize it.

          I really don't care for someone's opinion. I guess, I should of just asked, how do I get 50 people in front of my product, without adding MLM to it.

          Maybe this thread would actually be a bit more valuable to me, and to others.
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          • Profile picture of the author AdwordsMogul
            Originally Posted by Tsnyder View Post

            NO... good advice comes from those who have the knowledge
            and experience to comment on the subject with some authority.

            Neither you nor the other poster qualify.
            Originally Posted by Freelancing10 View Post

            I really don't care for someone's opinion. I guess, I should of just asked, how do I get 50 people in front of my product, without adding MLM to it.

            Maybe this thread would actually be a bit more valuable to me, and to others.
            Fair enough. In 3 years time the OP may remember this thread. He will either join the dark side or wake up from the illusion.

            If MLM worked, it would be built on MLM. But it's not. It's built on all the tools that recruits are not allowed to use. So hey...

            Let's see how it goes Freelancer. It's your life, your time, and your bank account that will get affected.
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            • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
              Originally Posted by AdwordsMogul View Post

              If MLM worked, it would be built on MLM. But it's not. It's built on all the tools that recruits are not allowed to use.
              OK... now I think you're drinking. Try to make sense next time.
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          • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
            Originally Posted by Freelancing10 View Post

            I really don't care for someone's opinion. I guess, I should of just asked, how do I get 50 people in front of my product, without adding MLM to it.

            Maybe this thread would actually be a bit more valuable to me, and to others.
            I have given you the most valuable information you could
            get on the subject. Do with it what you will...
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            • Profile picture of the author Freelancing10
              Originally Posted by Tsnyder View Post

              I have given you the most valuable information you could
              get on the subject. Do with it what you will...

              I actually wasn't speaking about you. I was speaking about others that don't have any experience in the industry, and want to come here and talk gibberish about the business.
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              • Profile picture of the author AdwordsMogul
                Originally Posted by Tsnyder View Post

                OK... now I think you're drinking. Try to make sense next time.
                Originally Posted by Freelancing10 View Post

                I actually wasn't speaking about you. I was speaking about others that don't have any experience in the industry, and want to come here and talk gibberish about the business.
                Wow, Tsnyder. I'm not coming down to your level. As for the OP, you don't have experience either - but you will.

                Time will tell - all the best in your ventures!

                P.S. To the OP; I just hope that when you realize the truth you will have enough integrity to at least move on and do something else. Don't stay and perpetuate this practice.

                Originally Posted by Freelancing10 View Post

                A few months? Okay, obviously a few months won't cut it. This is a long term venture, not a few months hobby.
                Ok, then. In 5 years.
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                • Profile picture of the author Freelancing10
                  Originally Posted by AdwordsMogul View Post

                  Wow, Tsnyder. I'm not coming down to your level. As for the OP, you don't have experience either - but you will.

                  Time will tell - all the best in your ventures!

                  P.S. To the OP; I just hope that when you realize the truth you will have enough integrity to at least move on and do something else. Don't stay and perpetuate this practice.



                  Ok, then. In 5 years.
                  I asked a simple question, which you answered kindly, so thank you for that.

                  Now we'll leave it that.
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                • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
                  Originally Posted by AdwordsMogul View Post

                  Wow, Tsnyder. I'm not coming down to your level.

                  When you make the most ridiculous statement I've ever seen on this forum
                  you can expect to get a ridiculous response...
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                • Profile picture of the author David Frey
                  Well, I'm AM and MLM millionaire and have well over 10,000 active distributors in my organization, so I have a little experience in this.

                  I'm also an internet marketer (been full time since 2000) so I know something about internet marketing.

                  Please don't listen to the MLM haters. They "think" they have experience and the know how to give you advice, but they don't. Heck, even I'm still learning this MLM games and I've been doing it for years now.

                  The way you talk to 50 people is to find 3 people who want to do the business and get to work. Get those 3 people to introduce you to their 3 friends. Now you're talking to 9 people. And then get those 9 people to introduce you to their 3 friends. Now you're talking to 27 people.

                  You see where this is going.

                  It's not about talking to 50 people directly. MLM is a business of working with people's friends.

                  Now if you want to do it the internet marketing way, create a weight loss product and start marketing the heck out of it. Then call up each and every buyer and start a relationship with them.

                  Finally, MLM money is much better than internet marketing money. My internet marketing business produces "hustle money." Meaning I have to hustle every day to get that money.

                  MLM money produces true residual income. It provides leverage. It will set you financially free.

                  (NOTE: To all those people that say that MLM is not a real business is ridiculous! There are factors in EVERY business that are out of your control. You just need to control the factors ARE in your control and you'll do well.)

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                  • Profile picture of the author junglekid
                    Originally Posted by David Frey View Post

                    Well, I'm AM and MLM millionaire and have well over 10,000 active distributors in my organization, so I have a little experience in this.

                    I'm also an internet marketer (been full time since 2000) so I know something about internet marketing.

                    Please don't listen to the MLM haters. They "think" they have experience and the know how to give you advice, but they don't. Heck, even I'm still learning this MLM games and I've been doing it for years now.

                    The way you talk to 50 people is to find 3 people who want to do the business and get to work. Get those 3 people to introduce you to their 3 friends. Now you're talking to 9 people. And then get those 9 people to introduce you to their 3 friends. Now you're talking to 27 people.

                    You see where this is going.

                    It's not about talking to 50 people directly. MLM is a business of working with people's friends.

                    Now if you want to do it the internet marketing way, create a weight loss product and start marketing the heck out of it. Then call up each and every buyer and start a relationship with them.

                    Finally, MLM money is much better than internet marketing money. My internet marketing business produces "hustle money." Meaning I have to hustle every day to get that money.

                    MLM money produces true residual income. It provides leverage. It will set you financially free.

                    (NOTE: To all those people that say that MLM is not a real business is ridiculous! There are factors in EVERY business that are out of your control. You just need to control the factors ARE in your control and you'll do well.)

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                    crystal clear explanation about the differences between IM and MLM. It is not question of one or the other .It seems to me they complement each other. It is about diversification and long term p0otential
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                  • Profile picture of the author AdwordsMogul
                    Originally Posted by David Frey View Post


                    ...
                    MLM money produces true residual income. It provides leverage. It will set you financially free.

                    ...
                    Of course, if you are on top of the food chain and focus on recruiting you have a really good chance of succeeding.

                    On the other hand, if you think you'll make money by selling products... you will end up in the same place the OP will in a couple of years time. (where that is only time will tell
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                    • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
                      Originally Posted by AdwordsMogul View Post

                      Of course, if you are on top of the food chain and focus on recruiting you have a really good chance of succeeding.

                      On the other hand, if you think you'll make money by selling products... you will end up in the same place the OP will in a couple of years time. (where that is only time will tell
                      How do you think someone gets to be "at the top of the food chain?"
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                      • Profile picture of the author AdwordsMogul
                        Originally Posted by Tsnyder View Post

                        How do you think someone gets to be "at the top of the food chain?"
                        Easy. Be a predator. Don't do the same thing prey does.
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                        • Profile picture of the author junglekid
                          Originally Posted by AdwordsMogul View Post

                          Easy. Be a predator. Don't do the same thing prey does.
                          MLM is about team work,not preying on anyone . A MLM I am currently involved with only allows 2 direct referrals so anymore referrals you get are assigned to distributors in your downline.
                          I have also come across another MLM (not actively involved) that you get a % of all the profits in the organization you are part of including your uplines. This MLM company setup, lets you profit from your organization sales from hundreds of companies including Amazon and Walmart .Amazing stuff. Not preying on anyone here. Just teamwork.
                          Granted this is not for everyone .Many people just enjoy being the lone wolf out there. It really comes down to personal choice. What you enjoy most. But profits sholud matter . And there are profits in MLM if you stick to it on the long run . There are MLM companies that have been out there more than 40 years and there are narrow minded people STILL calling them scams
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                        • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
                          Originally Posted by AdwordsMogul View Post

                          Easy. Be a predator. Don't do the same thing prey does.
                          Now you're just being silly. That, or you've spent so much time
                          sitting behind your computer wading through keyword analysis that
                          you've forgotten anything you might once have known about human
                          nature.
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                          Originally Posted by AdwordsMogul View Post

                          Easy. Be a predator. Don't do the same thing prey does.
                          Unless you believe in evolution. Mammals became dominant because we were really good at hiding from the Dinosaurs and surviving apocalyptic conditions :p.
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                      • Profile picture of the author AZMD
                        Originally Posted by Tsnyder View Post

                        How do you think someone gets to be "at the top of the food chain?"
                        I always thought that in MLM everyone starts at the TOP.
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                    Originally Posted by David Frey View Post

                    Well, I'm AM and MLM millionaire and have well over 10,000 active distributors in my organization, so I have a little experience in this.

                    I'm also an internet marketer (been full time since 2000) so I know something about internet marketing.

                    Please don't listen to the MLM haters. They "think" they have experience and the know how to give you advice, but they don't. Heck, even I'm still learning this MLM games and I've been doing it for years now.

                    The way you talk to 50 people is to find 3 people who want to do the business and get to work. Get those 3 people to introduce you to their 3 friends. Now you're talking to 9 people. And then get those 9 people to introduce you to their 3 friends. Now you're talking to 27 people.

                    You see where this is going.

                    It's not about talking to 50 people directly. MLM is a business of working with people's friends.

                    Now if you want to do it the internet marketing way, create a weight loss product and start marketing the heck out of it. Then call up each and every buyer and start a relationship with them.

                    Finally, MLM money is much better than internet marketing money. My internet marketing business produces "hustle money." Meaning I have to hustle every day to get that money.

                    MLM money produces true residual income. It provides leverage. It will set you financially free.

                    (NOTE: To all those people that say that MLM is not a real business is ridiculous! There are factors in EVERY business that are out of your control. You just need to control the factors ARE in your control and you'll do well.)

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                    • Profile picture of the author ajlauria
                      Rarely does anything bring out the 'know-nothings' like MLM.

                      Freelancer10 you asked a valid question and deserve a valid answer. I will gladly contribute what I can but first I want to address the 'know-nothings'.

                      It has been posted that business experience is needed to succeed in MLM, but is all such experience the same? A heart surgeon and a plumber are both in business and both deal in replacing pipes to a certain extent. But their experiences are not the same. Not by a great deal!

                      The plumber wants to replace or repair as many pipes a day as he can but does the heart surgeon have the same business model? If you or a loved one needed heart surgery, would you consider going to such a quack that performs 4, 5 or 6 such operations a day?

                      AdwordsMogul and SalesBooster are plumbers. They may have reams of experience in ONLINE INTERNET MARKETING but know nothing, obviously, about MLM. Their predisposition is to AVOID face-to-face contact, sit before a monitor and spread their nets as far and as wide as they can. More power to them. But their advice on doing MLM is worse than nothing. It reveals arrogance, ignorance and tries to steal someone's dream. My advice to them is to just shut up.

                      This IM model will never, ever work in MLM - which makes TSnyder's remarks not only valid but wise. You cannot do this business effectively online. It is a personal business, so if you don't like people and think you can fleece them, you will not succeed in MLM.

                      And that explains EXACTLY why MLM has gotten such a bad name - people that are not predisposed to it try to do it their way, in addition to having a get-rich-quick mentality and getting crappy 'training' from other 'know-nothing' uplines, to joining companies without vetting them, to --- you get the idea. People have to know what they are getting themselves into before they do but sadly and too often do not take the time to do so. They hear something that sounds great and jump, head first, into the shallow end of the pool, fueled on passion at best, but usually on greed and laziness.

                      Melkor, who bashes MLM, actually gave some insight. Most companies DO fold in 13 months or so and that is why NO ONE SHOULD EVER JOIN A PRE-LAUNCH or a company LESS THAN 2 YEARS OLD. Those who set up such businesses are looking to fleece people and steal their money and their dream. These are the MLM scamsters.

                      Freelancer10: Listen to TSnyder, Alexa Smith and most recently David Frey. And perhaps the goal of getting your opp in front of 50 a day is not realistic because to do so you will have to do things that are unfriendly towards your goal of owning your life via MLM.

                      Talk to people who want to a) get your product wholesale, b) get your product for free by earning it, c) replace a monthly payment (car, house, etc.), d) replace a salary, or e) be truly rich. Find out by talking and listening to who exactly you are dealing with.

                      You see there are at least five flavors of prospects/recruits but in the eyes of the likes of AdwordsMogul and SalesBooster (those names are so revealing, aren't they?) all prospects look like fresh blood.

                      Don't fall for that. MLM is most certainly NOT for everyone and it obviously is not for AdwordsMogul or SalesBooster

                      Good luck Freelancer10.
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            Originally Posted by Freelancing10 View Post

            Maybe this thread would actually be a bit more valuable to me, and to others.
            There is some value in the thread...just have to ignore the negative.

            Notice how some really don't understand the industry.

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            • Profile picture of the author Jamie Hudson
              Well it doesn't look like an add too much to the conversation because it looks like everything has already been said.

              I was in MLM for years, but decides to quit the business and become an Internet Marketer instead.

              Building an MLM business can take years to master. There's traffic/lead generation, prospecting, closing i.e. recruiting and then duplication.

              I would just say if you're brand new, the first thing you need to do is focus on getting rid of your fear of rejection rather than recruiting.

              Pretty much everyone who fails in the MLM business does so because they simply don't talk to enough people.

              Yes... You can automatically build an MLM business by setting up traffic streams, online sales funnels, video presentations and follow-up sequences. But doing that takes months if not years to get right.

              In the beginning you need to be able to talk to people and close them. So go out each day and make a goal of talking to 20 people a day about your business.

              The whole attraction marketing thing is mostly BS and not doable for most people. The best thing you can do is practice closing people. I'm not saying talk to absolute strangers about your business as that's not going to get you far.

              Instead focus on getting 10-20 leads/day and talking to all of them. It's best to initially setup a video presentation pipeline. So you can drive people to a squeeze page, give them something free, follow-up with them via email using an autoresponder and ultimately exposing them to your MLM via a webinar or video presentation.

              That's the basic formula that works. So you can call up all your leads, ask them if they got your freebie and if they watched your video presentation. If not arrange for them to watch it and tell them you'll call them back immediately after you have. Then you close them.

              The key is to get X amount of exposures a day and mastering closing and talking to people comfortably. Besides that you gotta get a traffic stream going and more leads coming in. At which point you can automate things more and talk to less people and just focus on duplication.

              MLM works and it works very well. It's a great business, but very few people succeed at it. Not because it's a scam or a pyramid scheme, most businesses and jobs are pyramid schemes. And most people fail at them.#

              MLM is cool, but tough in the beginning. Internet Marketing is easier.
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  • Profile picture of the author NathanBai
    With IM you will need to look at it as a business and business can take a while to pick up! Make sure you apply yourself and you lose the idea of just making money and adopt the concept of investing time to catering to people...
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  • Profile picture of the author Freelancing10
    Tsnyder I am sending you a PM. Thank you for your help. Hopefully you can help me further.
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  • Profile picture of the author knish
    The fastest way, which I'm not sure how ethical it is, would be to buy some good targeted leads. MLM businesses are not bad if it is a legitimate one. There is a difference between MLM and pyramid scheme in that MLM offers a legitimate product for sale.
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    • Profile picture of the author Freelancing10
      Originally Posted by knish View Post

      The fastest way, which I'm not sure how ethical it is, would be to buy some good targeted leads. MLM businesses are not bad if it is a legitimate one. There is a difference between MLM and pyramid scheme in that MLM offers a legitimate product for sale.
      do you have any recommendation for places to buy leads?
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      • Profile picture of the author AdwordsMogul
        Originally Posted by Freelancing10 View Post

        do you have any recommendation for places to buy leads?
        Yes. Try SRDS: We love media.
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      • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
        Originally Posted by Freelancing10 View Post

        do you have any recommendation for places to buy leads?
        In the end, if you insist on learning how to do this
        online go to this link and do everything this guy tells
        tells you to do. It's a good fundamental education
        in online marketing... and it's free.

        The Challenge
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  • Profile picture of the author johnben1444
    No one can guarantee the exact amount of subscribers or buyers you can get everyday.

    Its just like asking how to generate 50 sales a day from a retail store. The number of sales you are going to derive will certainly varies.

    However, there are good ways to traffic drive and leads to your MLM.

    1. PPC
    2. SEO Organic Traffic
    3. Traffic Exchange
    4. Solo Ads
    5. List building

    Hope this helps.....
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  • Profile picture of the author TheSalesBooster
    The only people who do well with MLM are the people who create it or are one of the first people in.

    Other than that you just a pawn. You are basically someone else's slave. You do all the work for them selling their product for a lowly commission. You try and get your friends, family, and other people to join in so you can make commission off of what they sell.

    It's a big waste of time considering you could be spending your time reaching millions of people online instead of driving around hawking $20 products in your city or posting ads on craigslist trying to convince people to work under you.

    Tsnyder sits in here and talks about how great MLM is, but he won't tell you what product hes selling. Over the years he's convinced himself that what he does is helping people, but good luck trying to get him to talk about what he is actually promoting.
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    • Profile picture of the author AdwordsMogul
      Originally Posted by TheSalesBooster View Post

      The only people who do well with MLM are the people who create it or are one of the first people in.

      Other than that you just a pawn. You are basically someone else's slave. You do all the work for them selling their product for a lowly commission. You try and get your friends, family, and other people to join in so you can make commission off of what they sell.

      It's a big waste of time considering you could be spending your time reaching millions of people online instead of driving around hawking $20 products in your city or posting ads on craigslist trying to convince people to work under you.

      Tsnyder sits in here and talks about how great MLM is, but he won't tell you what product hes selling. Over the years he's convinced himself that what he does is helping people, but good luck trying to get him to talk about what he is actually promoting.
      Exactly my point.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
      Originally Posted by TheSalesBooster View Post

      The only people who do well with MLM are the people who create it or are one of the first people in.

      Other than that you just a pawn. You are basically someone else's slave. You do all the work for them selling their product for a lowly commission. You try and get your friends, family, and other people to join in so you can make commission off of what they sell.

      It's a big waste of time considering you could be spending your time reaching millions of people online instead of driving around hawking $20 products in your city or posting ads on craigslist trying to convince people to work under you.

      Tsnyder sits in here and talks about how great MLM is, but he won't tell you what product hes selling. Over the years he's convinced himself that what he does is helping people, but good luck trying to get him to talk about what he is actually promoting.
      wow.. that may be the most uninformed post ever written
      in one of these mlm bash-fests. I'm pretty sure most people
      around here know what company I'm with. The really funny
      part is that several other members of this forum... people most
      of you look up to and dream of replicating... are also involved
      with this company. Yeah... some of your most revered IM gurus
      are mlmers... lol

      But, since you and adwords dude don't appear to know... but
      apparently think it matters to the discussion tell me why... what
      does it matter?. How would that knowledge change your position
      on the subject?

      The fact is it wouldn't. You'd still be stomping your feet and shouting
      as if you know something. You don't, but that wouldn't stop you... lol
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  • Profile picture of the author eman1
    In any MLM opportunity these are your basic steps to success.

    1. Identify who your target market of customers for your product are.
    2. Create a system to attract your customers that others can copy.
    3. Target opportunity seekers to join your MLM opportunity.
    4. Create a system to attract or recruit people into your MLM.
    5. Train those you recruit to copy your system.
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  • Profile picture of the author WF99
    You said you just joined !!
    It is not easy to add 50 people daily ..
    You have to for a couple of months , in my opinion ..
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    • Profile picture of the author AdwordsMogul
      Originally Posted by WF99 View Post

      You said you just joined !!
      It is not easy to add 50 people daily ..
      You have to for a couple of months , in my opinion ..
      Yeah, thinking about it OP - why don't you ask your sponsor, or whatever the upline person is called?
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      • Profile picture of the author TheSalesBooster
        Originally Posted by AdwordsMogul View Post

        Yeah, thinking about it OP - why don't you ask your sponsor, or whatever the upline person is called?
        haha good one. Why would his sponsor help him find people? He already suckered the OP into joining and now hes making commission off him. He'd rather go sign those 50 people up himself than tell the OP how to do it. That's taking away customers from himself.
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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          Originally Posted by TheSalesBooster View Post

          Why would his sponsor help him find people?
          Because in the long run he makes more money that way, and the entire system is designed for that to be so. The commission payments, overrides, breakaway royalties and whatever else in the comp plan increase with depth. That's how the industry works. His financial incentivization is to build deep, not just to sign up more people in his own first level. In many companies there's even a limit to how many you're allowed in your own first level!

          He's more likely to find people himself and "allocate" them to his first-level distributors to sponsor, than he is to take people from his first-level distributors.

          Originally Posted by TheSalesBooster View Post

          He'd rather go sign those 50 people up himself than tell the OP how to do it.
          You really have absolutely no idea what you're talking about at all, do you? :rolleyes:
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          • Profile picture of the author AdwordsMogul
            Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

            ... In many companies there's even a limit to how many you're allowed in your own first level! ...
            ...
            If that was the case in this particular situation the OP's question would be redundant.

            Originally Posted by Freelancing10 View Post

            Not interested. if 1% only makes, then I will be one of those 1%.
            You see what you are missing is the fact that most of the people on this thread have business experience that you don't.

            You can make money from MLM but not by doing what the MLM company is teaching you. You have to do what they do. with a straight face. In fact, if what they taught you was effective you wouldn't need this thread - you could simply ask your upline for help.

            As Tsnyder pointed out, you can't use mass media - only the main company is allowed to do that as I pointed out.

            For your own sake listen to the advice you're getting even though it's not what you want to hear. Just look at the numbers - your compensation plan, hours you need to put in etc.

            To get 50 customers real businesses plan their campaigns, make a budget and put business "machinery" to make it happen. Don't be under the illusion that MLM is any different.

            Your question can't be answered in a thread on a forum because the answer is not a simple one. You need a PLAN and resources to EXECUTE it.

            Since you don't want to listen to anyone who disagrees with you, talk to your upline and let them sort you out.
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            • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
              Originally Posted by AdwordsMogul View Post

              If that was the case in this particular situation the OP's question would be redundant.



              You see what you are missing is the fact that most of the people on this thread have business experience that you don't.

              You can make money from MLM but not by doing what the MLM company is teaching you. You have to do what they do. with a straight face. In fact, if what they taught you was effective you wouldn't need this thread - you could simply ask your upline for help.

              As Tsnyder pointed out, you can't use mass media - only the main company is allowed to do that as I pointed out.

              For your own sake listen to the advice you're getting even though it's not what you want to hear. Just look at the numbers - your compensation plan, hours you need to put in etc.

              To get 50 customers real businesses plan their campaigns, make a budget and put business "machinery" to make it happen. Don't be under the illusion that MLM is any different.

              Your question can't be answered in a thread on a forum because the answer is not a simple one. You need a PLAN and resources to EXECUTE it.

              Since you don't want to listen to anyone who disagrees with you, talk to your upline and let them sort you out.
              You really should stop. Every time you post you further expose
              your profound ignorance of the subject. It's been a long time since
              I've run across someone so stubborn that they just can't concede that
              someone with decades of experience might know something they don't
              know due to their total lack of experience.
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              • Profile picture of the author AdwordsMogul
                Originally Posted by Tsnyder View Post

                You really should stop. Every time you post you further expose
                your profound ignorance of the subject. It's been a long time since
                I've run across someone so stubborn that they just can't concede that
                someone with decades of experience might know something they don't
                know due to their total lack of experience.
                For the last time... I know you know more about MLM than I ever will.

                What I'm saying is you are not saying THE TRUTH about what you know.
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                • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
                  Originally Posted by AdwordsMogul View Post

                  For the last time... I know you know more about MLM than I ever will.

                  What I'm saying is you are not saying THE TRUTH about what you know.
                  You didn't actually think before you typed that... lol... If you had
                  you'd know how really incredibly silly it sounds.

                  Tell me... if you don't know what you're talking about how did
                  you determine that I'm not telling the truth about what I know?

                  Tell me what you want to know about the business. The truth is all I'll tell you.
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                  • Profile picture of the author AdwordsMogul
                    Originally Posted by Tsnyder View Post

                    ...

                    Tell me what you want to know about the business. The truth is all I'll tell you.
                    Ok, it would be nice if you learnt how to express yourself more politely. So here is my first question:

                    "Do MLM companies spend time teaching recruits to very carefully study the numbers in their business, and how do they do it? Can you point to a site/literature where there is emphasis on bookkeeping and accounting in MLM (promoted by MLM companies)?"
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                    • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
                      Originally Posted by AdwordsMogul View Post

                      Ok, it would be nice if you learnt how to express yourself more politely. So here is my first question:

                      "Do MLM companies spend time teaching recruits to very carefully study the numbers in their business, and how do they do it? Can you point to a site/literature where there is emphasis on bookkeeping and accounting in MLM (promoted by MLM companies)?"
                      Sorry... I thought we were big boys. I'll try to be gentler... no promises... lol

                      Every legitimate network marketing company I am aware of
                      provides complete tracking of all relevant business numbers in
                      the "back office" section of each distributor's website.

                      You, of course, can not access those sites unless someone wants
                      to give you their user ID and password so I'm not going to be able
                      to show that to you.

                      As far as understanding the numbers, the numbers in this business
                      are very simple. The numbers to focus on are the team volume of
                      those who are producing growth within the organization. They are
                      easily identified in the back office.

                      One of the great advantages of network marketing is that for a
                      very low cost of entry the participant gets a turn-key operation.
                      The company handles. bookkeeping and accounting, shipping and
                      receiving, payroll, coverage for various liabilities and production.

                      The network marketer's real job is distribution. We create distribution
                      networks through which products and services flow. When products and
                      services flow through the network people are compensated to the degree
                      that they were instrumental in creating the network.

                      It's as simple a business model as you could want.
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        • Profile picture of the author ShayB
          Without knowing the name of the company or the type of product or service you offer, I'm going to have to keep my post fairly generic.

          1. Make sure that you abide by whatever Internet marketing compliance policy your company has. There are certain companies that will not allow any mention of their name, brand name products, etc. they often have certain pre-approved advertising that you can use. If that is the case, then you need to use it.

          2. I would suggest that whatever lead generation you use is done without the name of the company or the name of the products included. Aside from the fact that most companies will require this as part of being compliant with their guidelines, it makes it easier if you ever do switch companies - whether by choice or because the company folds - a lot easier. As long as you stick to the same basic category - health and wellness, etc. - you should be able to use your same sales funnel and lead generation techniques with only minor modifications.

          3. As has been mentioned before, off-line methods are generally excellent ways to find prospects. Business cards are a must, and you can also place small advertisements in your local freebie papers - I have used those and have gotten very good results, and the advertisements for the local freebie papers are generally less than two or three dollars per week.

          4. Create a squeeze page with a giveaway report that has to do with the product or service you offer. Make sure that it is generic, and is not company or brand specific.

          Examples:

          "10 Ways Soy Wax Candles are Superior to Paraffin Candles" (for soy candle company)

          "10 Ways that Wickless Candles are Safer for Households with Children then Traditional Candles" (for wickless candles/candle melts)

          "How Shopping from Yourself Can Help Save You Money" (Companies with numerous household products, like Amway-esque companies)

          "50 Reasons Why You Need Access to an Attorney" (For Pre-Paid Legal service companies)

          "How You Are Poisoning Your Children in Your Own Home" (companies with "natural" products, no harsh chemicals)

          You get the idea.

          Advertise the free report - give it away anywhere you can. If you do a search for the forum, you will find plenty of ideas for places to get your report circulated.

          You will be building your list and getting your leads.

          If you need any specific suggestions, just send me a PM and I would be happy to help.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheSalesBooster
    Guess you don't use logic much.

    50 more people under my belt is a lot better than having 50 people under his belt if I were in the industry.

    My net is wider the more people I have working under me. Depth is important, but you aren't going to make a lot of money if you sign up one guy and then help him get 50 people to sign up under him.

    It's better to sign up 50 people under you and all they would have to do is sign up 1 person each themselves and you exactly where you would be instead of relying on one guy to signup 50 people.

    A better way to put it is to think of it like a tree. would you rather have 1 big branch that has 50 smaller branches coming out of it or 50 big branches with the possibility of them producing 50 smaller branches each.
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      Originally Posted by TheSalesBooster View Post

      50 more people under my belt is a lot better than having 50 people under his belt if I were in the industry.
      Typically, the exact opposite is true, of course. In many companies, you're not even allowed 50 in your first level. I think your "information" is perhaps from the 1950's, or something.

      (Actually I doubt it was even correct, then).

      I'm not still involved in MLM, myself, because I found that internet marketing suits my own skill-set much better, but the more I look at the volume of sheer ignorant prejudice on display in discussions of this kind, the more sympathy I feel for experts like Tsnyder. The voice of reason, unfortunately, on this subject just as on one or two others here, is always drowned by misinformation and irrational prejudice.
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      • Profile picture of the author TheSalesBooster
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        Typically, the exact opposite is true, of course. In many companies, you're not even allowed 50 in your first level. I think your "information" is perhaps from the 1950's, or something.
        I don't know every companies policy, but if this were true for a majority of them then it proves my point how useless the whole system is if you can't even exploit it to its fullest potential.

        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        I'm not involved in MLM
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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          Originally Posted by TheSalesBooster View Post

          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

          I'm not involved in MLM
          Nice try, but I didn't say that.

          Try this, instead ...

          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

          I'm not still involved in MLM because I found that internet marketing suits my own skill-set much better
          Ignorance and prejudice are one thing. Blatant misquotation is another.

          Of course, if you'd actually read the thread before commenting, you'd already know from the previous page that I had a background in MLM.

          Enjoy the thread - it's over and out, from me.
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    • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
      Originally Posted by TheSalesBooster View Post

      A better way to put it is to think of it like a tree. would you rather have 1 big branch that has 50 smaller branches coming out of it or 50 big branches with the possibility of them producing 50 smaller branches each.
      Seems like your way would mean more effort for the same results to me. Now, I know literally nothing about MLM , so I'm wildly guessing here; but wouldn't it be smarter to have that one first level guy sign up 50 people, and let him handle them? This would give you time to find the next one guy and teach him how to get 50 signups. Instead of doing all of the heavy lifting yourself, you train your first level guys and leverage them to get the results for you.
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      • Profile picture of the author TheSalesBooster
        Originally Posted by Joe Robinson View Post

        Seems like your way would mean more effort for the same results to me. Now, I know literally nothing about MLM , so I'm wildly guessing here; but wouldn't it be smarter to have that one first level guy sign up 50 people, and let him handle them? This would give you time to find the next one guy and teach him how to get 50 signups. Instead of doing all of the heavy lifting yourself, you train your first level guys and leverage them to get the results for you.
        That depends. What do you want out of MLM? Do you want to make as much money as possible? Then you have to go out and look for as many people to work under you. So instead of having 3 guys who find 50 people. You have 20 people who find 50 people= more money!

        Now if you only want to do MLM to make some extra money every month and nothing to live off of then yea I'm sure you could go out and find a couple people and then just teach them. But the OP is looking for 50 people per day. He's not looking to do this for some beer money...
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  • Profile picture of the author East Saxon
    Originally Posted by Freelancing10 View Post

    I just joined an MLM business.

    How can I introduce 50 people per day to my MLM business?
    Are you being pressured into sponsoring a downline by your upline?

    I joined a well known MLM business in the 80s. There seemed to be a lot of emphasis on enrolling a downline. Make a list of everyone you know. Dismiss anyone who is not interested in the opportunity and products as not being worthy of your company. It can get to a point where you can start alienating your friends and family if you keep "working on them". There was also emphasis on books and tapes and attending seminars (described by some as Rah Rah meetings). I recently read online that the top upline in this patricular business made a significant income from promoting the "positive mental attitude" material and seminars, that the recruiting methods they used in the 80s were state of the art in the 50s and not suitable for the present day.

    I wish you luck in your venture, concentrate on the product rather than recruitment. You could enroll a massive downline, but if nobody sells anything...........
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeTucker
    I normally avoid MLM threads like the plague,
    but I did want to drop in on this one just long
    enough to point out that there are many different
    types of MLM compensation plans, from binary
    to forced matrix with drop-off legs and everything
    in-between.

    So, the strategy that you use, whether signing
    everyone up for yourself, or sharing with your
    upline/downline, really depends on the structure
    of the plan.

    ...There are also quite a few other, more emotional
    matters involved in the equation, i.e. credibility
    and enthusiasm vs. difficulty, but I'm going to stay
    away from discussing those at the moment.

    Good luck to the OP, who I'm sure can clearly see
    who knows what they are talking about and
    who does not.

    Have a great day everyone, I hear sashimi calling me.

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  • Profile picture of the author Freelancing10
    I am not looking for 50 people to sign up everyday, if I was looking for that, and someone had the answer to that, that would be worth millions of dollars.

    I am looking for a way to put 50 in front of my business opportunity.

    There has been some great suggestions.

    The way to make money in mlm is to recruit, and to get customer
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  • Profile picture of the author Melkor
    Before you get too deep into any MLM business, check out the tax returns filed by the LLC's and individuals involved in the MLM business.

    You'll notice that 99.9998% of the people who get involved on any level don't even make enough money to be allowed to claim their expenses on their income tax forms and the average life span of an MLM-based LLC is 13 months - or just about enough time to try for a year and then have a CPA do your taxes and tell you that there's no way in hell to make money in MLM unless you actually own the company or have a list of 100,000 suckers.
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    • Profile picture of the author Freelancing10
      Originally Posted by Melkor View Post

      Before you get too deep into any MLM business, check out the tax returns filed by the LLC's and individuals involved in the MLM business.

      You'll notice that 99.9998% of the people who get involved on any level don't even make enough money to be allowed to claim their expenses on their income tax forms and the average life span of an MLM-based LLC is 13 months - or just about enough time to try for a year and then have a CPA do your taxes and tell you that there's no way in hell to make money in MLM unless you actually own the company or have a list of 100,000 suckers.
      Not interested. if 1% only makes, then I will be one of those 1%.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
      Originally Posted by Melkor View Post

      Before you get too deep into any MLM business, check out the tax returns filed by the LLC's and individuals involved in the MLM business.

      You'll notice that 99.9998% of the people who get involved on any level don't even make enough money to be allowed to claim their expenses on their income tax forms and the average life span of an MLM-based LLC is 13 months - or just about enough time to try for a year and then have a CPA do your taxes and tell you that there's no way in hell to make money in MLM unless you actually own the company or have a list of 100,000 suckers.
      More ignorance masquerading as knowledge.. it's sad, really.
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    • Profile picture of the author Melkor
      Originally Posted by Melkor View Post

      Before you get too deep into any MLM business, check out the tax returns filed by the LLC's and individuals involved in the MLM business.

      You'll notice that 99.9998% of the people who get involved on any level don't even make enough money to be allowed to claim their expenses on their income tax forms and the average life span of an MLM-based LLC is 13 months - or just about enough time to try for a year and then have a CPA do your taxes and tell you that there's no way in hell to make money in MLM unless you actually own the company or have a list of 100,000 suckers.
      Originally Posted by Tsnyder View Post

      More ignorance masquerading as knowledge.. it's sad, really.
      Oh yes? http://www.ftc.gov/os/comments/busin...2418-12684.pdf -PDF warning.
      Read the whole thing, but here's a few tidbits to get you thinking:

      We performed a telephone survey of over 200 tax preparers in Idaho and Utah, a hotbed of MLM activity. We also did a randomized survey of households in Utah County, which has the highest concentration of MLM companies in the country. The findings led to the following conclusions:

      3. ...based on extensive analysis of available public documents, about 99.9% of total participants (those beneath the TOPP’s in the overall pyramid of participants) lose money. A sizable number of the few TOPP’s who do profit live in Utah County.
      4. In counties where no MLM’s are based and where few upscale residences are located, no participants in MLM programs reported significant profits over any significant period of time to preparers of tax returns. Many of these preparers have noticed this and view MLM’s as scams – because in a legitimate business at least a reasonable percentage who work in the business would show a profit.

      ... One tax preparer from H&R Block in Utah County, who had prepared over 10,000 returns over 32 years, said that all his MLM clients lost money, which averaged about $1,500 each. I called tax preparers in several other counties in Utah and Idaho – another state where some MLM’s are based, but not with as much concentration as in Utah. Again, a rare few TOPP’s reported profits, but the vast majority of participants reported losses. Over and over it was reported that no MLM participants reported significant profits selling products directly to consumers. Primary customers were their downline of “distributors” – usually from other areas.
      Oh sure, some people do make money. But the average participant does not. I did have one remote cousin who was involved in starting an MLM company locally, he was their CFO and they really did make out like bandits for a while. 'Course, no-one else did, which is why he wound up getting 3 years in jail for fraud and the CEO got 5.

      Theoretically, I don't mind MLM as a business model, but looking at my dad who've been doing the Herbalife thing for at least 6-8 years as a side business to his strawberry farm (winters are long and boring, he's gotta do something I guess...) I can't help but notice that the only thing he's ever been able to use the MLM business for is a tax write-off. 'Course, the farm makes money hand over fist, he's got 4-5 sales points in season and he sends some by plane to a select few customers with more money than sense so it's not like he can't use the tax write off, but if Herbalife was a real business interested in making consumer sales they'd let him stock his sales points with some of the nutritional supplements or at least fliers.
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Originally Posted by Melkor View Post

        Oh sure, some people do make money. But the average participant does not.
        I don't think anyone here is doubting or questioning that, are they?

        The same's probably true of internet marketing, by the way.

        Not to mention many other forms of self-employment.

        Meanwhile, if anyone's interested, I'm taking side-bets on how long the thread remains open. "Just saying" ...
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        • Profile picture of the author Melkor
          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

          I don't think anyone here is doubting or questioning that, are they?

          The same's probably true of internet marketing, by the way.

          Not to mention many other forms of self-employment.

          Meanwhile, if anyone's interested, I'm taking side-bets on how long the thread remains open. "Just saying" ...
          *Snrk*
          Of course most people lose money when they start a business, nothing unique there - I've burned through a bunch myself, education is expensive one way or another and you'll pay in either time, money or both while you're doing the trial and error process to make something work.

          But the long-term prospects for someone starting out is a hell of a lot better if s/he just goes to the War room, picks one of Allen's reports from the private posts subforum or any one of the business models for beginners posted there, and then follow that guide to the letter and get on Paul Myers list and start learning some copy-writing skills to sell more effectively.
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          • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
            Originally Posted by Melkor View Post

            *Snrk*
            Of course most people lose money when they start a business, nothing unique there - I've burned through a bunch myself, education is expensive one way or another and you'll pay in either time, money or both while you're doing the trial and error process to make something work.

            But the long-term prospects for someone starting out is a hell of a lot better if s/he just goes to the War room, picks one of Allen's reports from the private posts subforum or any one of the business models for beginners posted there, and then follow that guide to the letter and get on Paul Myers list and start learning some copy-writing skills to sell more effectively.
            Pure speculation. You have no way of knowing or comparing how anyone
            will do long term by doing what you suggest. Facts, please...
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            • Profile picture of the author Melkor
              Originally Posted by Tsnyder View Post

              Pure speculation. You have no way of knowing or comparing how anyone
              will do long term by doing what you suggest. Facts, please...
              Facts were in the FTC report I linked to, so it's rather obvious you didn't read it:
              Table 1: MLM profits reported on tax returns in four Utah counties
              Location and group of tax preparers
              TOTALS - 3 counties without any
              MLM company headquarters
              No. of tax preparer:33
              Aggregate total tax returns in 2002 14,400
              Approx. no. of clients in MLM in 2002 (@ 6%) 864
              No. of tax returns which showed a profit in MLM 0
              Rate of success (@ 6 %) 0.00 or 0%
              Success rate in counties where an MLM company was headquartered was slightly better, with an aggregate sucess rate of 0.0208 or ~2.1% of participants who saw a net profit mostly due to the effect of having the participants at the top of the sales organizations living very near the headquarters of the organization.

              So if you're at the top, life is good - if you're further down the organization or you're an individual distributor with no downline, well, a 0% sucess rate does not seem to me to be good odds.
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        • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

          Meanwhile, if anyone's interested, I'm taking side-bets on how long the thread remains open. "Just saying" ...
          Put me down for 2 more Tsnyder/Adwordsmogul back and forths. Or whenever a mod reads this post. Whichever comes first .
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      • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
        Originally Posted by Melkor View Post

        Oh yes? http://www.ftc.gov/os/comments/busin...2418-12684.pdf -PDF warning.
        Read the whole thing, but here's a few tidbits to get you thinking:

        We performed a telephone survey of over 200 tax preparers in Idaho and Utah, a hotbed of MLM activity. We also did a randomized survey of households in Utah County, which has the highest concentration of MLM companies in the country. The findings led to the following conclusions:

        3. ...based on extensive analysis of available public documents, about 99.9% of total participants (those beneath the TOPP's in the overall pyramid of participants) lose money. A sizable number of the few TOPP's who do profit live in Utah County.
        4. In counties where no MLM's are based and where few upscale residences are located, no participants in MLM programs reported significant profits over any significant period of time to preparers of tax returns. Many of these preparers have noticed this and view MLM's as scams - because in a legitimate business at least a reasonable percentage who work in the business would show a profit.

        ... One tax preparer from H&R Block in Utah County, who had prepared over 10,000 returns over 32 years, said that all his MLM clients lost money, which averaged about $1,500 each. I called tax preparers in several other counties in Utah and Idaho - another state where some MLM's are based, but not with as much concentration as in Utah. Again, a rare few TOPP's reported profits, but the vast majority of participants reported losses. Over and over it was reported that no MLM participants reported significant profits selling products directly to consumers. Primary customers were their downline of "distributors" - usually from other areas.
        Oh sure, some people do make money. But the average participant does not. I did have one remote cousin who was involved in starting an MLM company locally, he was their CFO and they really did make out like bandits for a while. 'Course, no-one else did, which is why he wound up getting 3 years in jail for fraud and the CEO got 5.

        Theoretically, I don't mind MLM as a business model, but looking at my dad who've been doing the Herbalife thing for at least 6-8 years as a side business to his strawberry farm (winters are long and boring, he's gotta do something I guess...) I can't help but notice that the only thing he's ever been able to use the MLM business for is a tax write-off. 'Course, the farm makes money hand over fist, he's got 4-5 sales points in season and he sends some by plane to a select few customers with more money than sense so it's not like he can't use the tax write off, but if Herbalife was a real business interested in making consumer sales they'd let him stock his sales points with some of the nutritional supplements or at least fliers.
        So... based on telephone polling data in one Utah county you've
        extrapolated this to be indicative of the entire industry and you want
        us to take that seriously?

        I think I'll rely on personal experience and observation... lol

        Meanwhile... let's be totally straight up and honest about the whole thing
        before Paul gets tired of this thread and locks it up.

        I'm always amused by these threads because I get a whole lot of people
        working in a business where next to no one makes any substantial amount
        of money... on a forum where people post daily about having lost money
        and are thinking of giving up... telling me that my business model sucks
        because only a few make big bucks.

        HUZZAH!!!! WHAT A REVELATION!!!! THANK YOU MR. OBVIOUS!!!!

        Please name a single profession or occupation where this isn't true.

        The main problem with our business... and IM in general... is that it costs so
        little to get started. Therefore, most people don't take it seriously from the
        jump. It's easy to get in... easy to get out.

        Most people have employee mentality. The problem isn't what business
        model you show them. The problem is how they think and act.

        I know lots of people who have made ZERO in MLM. I also know plenty of
        people who earn more in a month than 99% of the people on this forum earn
        in 5 years.

        I also log on to this foirum daily and often see the first page dominated
        by people desperate to make money who haven't earned a dime. Many of
        them say they've spent LOTS of money buying this and that and none of
        it works.

        But, we know that's BS, right? We know that if they learned the right set of
        skills and applied them daily to their IM business they'd make money. So, why are
        so many of them broke and desperate if your model is superior to MLM?

        I await an intelligent response...
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        • Profile picture of the author Melkor
          Originally Posted by Tsnyder View Post

          So... based on telephone polling data in one Utah county you've
          extrapolated this to be indicative of the entire industry and you want
          us to take that seriously?

          I think I'll rely on personal experience and observation... lol

          But, we know that's BS, right? We know that if they learned the right set of
          skills and applied them daily to their IM business they'd make money. So, why are
          so many of them broke and desperate if your model is superior to MLM?

          I await an intelligent response...
          Of course you want to rely on the biased n=1 personal experience rather than a statistically valid random sample of tax professionals, because the valid survey-based study doesn't tell you want you want to hear. And it's also very obvious that you didn't actually read the linked PDF before responding, so I'm at least a little bemused by your comments about intelligence - an intelligent response doesn't require that I tell you what you want to hear, does it?

          Most people shouldn't be in business for themselves, they have neither the discipline not the imagination necessary to make it work and they'd be better off if they kicked their IM habit and went off to get a second job washing dishes or digging ditches, both of which I've done at one point or another when paying for my education....

          I'm not saying "don't go into an MLM" though, I'm just saying "Make sure you know what you're doing and have a real plan that doesn't revolve around the air sandwiches your upline will try to sell you as 'marketing' and 'motivational material". I've seen MLM sales training material - all of it pretty much worthless compared to picking up Paul's idea report.
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          • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
            Originally Posted by Melkor View Post

            Of course you want to rely on the biased n=1 personal experience rather than a statistically valid random sample of tax professionals, because the valid survey-based study doesn't tell you want you want to hear. And it's also very obvious that you didn't actually read the linked PDF before responding, so I'm at least a little bemused by your comments about intelligence - an intelligent response doesn't require that I tell you what you want to hear, does it?

            Most people shouldn't be in business for themselves, they have neither the discipline not the imagination necessary to make it work and they'd be better off if they kicked their IM habit and went off to get a second job washing dishes or digging ditches, both of which I've done at one point or another when paying for my education....

            I'm not saying "don't go into an MLM" though, I'm just saying "Make sure you know what you're doing and have a real plan that doesn't revolve around the air sandwiches your upline will try to sell you as 'marketing' and 'motivational material". I've seen MLM sales training material - all of it pretty much worthless compared to picking up Paul's idea report.
            I'm not in the business of selling air sandwiches... you don't get where I am doing that.
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            • Profile picture of the author Melkor
              Originally Posted by Tsnyder View Post

              I'm not in the business of selling air sandwiches... you don't get where I am doing that.
              I'm not talking about your material - I've read the official and off-the books training manuals for Herbalife, Nuskin, Nature's Own, Cognigen and a few others, I have an interest in sales training. I have no opinion on your material, I haven't read yours yet. I will though, promise!

              Air sandwiches are the motivational tapes my dad's upline tells him he needs to buy to become really successful, the marketing material he should license instead of designing his own, and so on. Which is frankly rather amusing as the sales material is clip art and amateurish banners that look like they were designed by color-blind kinder-gardeners and dad did the marketing for his very successful 60-person company before his heart started to give out due to the stress of being CEO and marketing manager, so he sold it off and retired to be a farmer.

              You personally, you're pretty damn good I gather. And MLM could in theory be a decent business model as long as all the participants are decent people. It's just not, in practice - as my distant cousin who went to jail is an unfortunate example of.
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              • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
                Originally Posted by Melkor View Post

                I'm not talking about your material - I've read the official and off-the books training manuals for Herbalife, Nuskin, Nature's Own, Cognigen and a few others, I have an interest in sales training. I have no opinion on your material, I haven't read yours yet. I will though, promise!

                Air sandwiches are the motivational tapes my dad's upline tells him he needs to buy to become really successful, the marketing material he should license instead of designing his own, and so on. Which is frankly rather amusing as the sales material is clip art and amateurish banners that look like they were designed by color-blind kinder-gardeners and dad did the marketing for his very successful 60-person company before his heart started to give out due to the stress of being CEO and marketing manager, so he sold it off and retired to be a farmer.

                You personally, you're pretty damn good I gather. And MLM could in theory be a decent business model as long as all the participants are decent people. It's just not, in practice - as my distant cousin who went to jail is an unfortunate example of.
                Your distant cousin is apparently as reliable as a survey conducted
                in 4 Utah counties based on the premise that the fact that mlm companies
                are located there is an accurate indicator that this location must represent
                the profitability of an entire industry.. That's a joke.

                I'm still waiting for one of you gurus to answer my last question... if you can.
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  • Profile picture of the author Success With Dany
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    Best tip is to get out of your mlm business while you can. It's a money sinkhole. Just stay for the (probably overpriced) products only.
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    • Profile picture of the author seminars82
      Probably I can answer your question regarding getting 50 people a day. Though I feel it's a ridiculous high number of people to get into your business and almost unrealistic, but it's possible if u considering the leverage aspect.

      That's what u need to do:

      1) You need to talk to at least 200 people a day about your business plan given that your closing ratio is 40%.

      2) In order to talk to 200 people a day, you need to at least make calls to about 800 per day providing that you can make appointment with 40% or more conversion.

      Now the big question is this: How can you do that?

      Let's say u have 24 hrs a day and you commit yourself to 10 hrs a day to the business, u can share your business to a prospect face to face for only 45mins. So in 10 hours, you can probably only meet 10 clients. So with 40% closing ratio, u close 4 a day.

      So how to talk to 200 people a day. Then u probably have to use an automated webinar model to help you present your business and finding ways to input a constant flow of leads into your funnel at least 800 leads a day.

      It really depends on the persuasion level of your presentation. Then probably 50 a day is possible.

      First you really have to understand what mlm business model is about. It's leverage and u are not a solo man. What you are talking it seems u position yourself more like a salesperson rather than a coach.

      Essentially, a mlm is a coaching business, not a sales or recruiting business. If you are concentrating on product and retail, it's better to sell high price products like property, investment products which gets better commission but without the leverage and duplication.

      You need to get 5 people whom you are going to coach and they are able to duplicate what you know and are interested to use the products that you are using and offering. Then essentially, you will reach your goals 50 a day since you are not alone doing the business, you have 5 business partners to work with you to grow on the business. Then 50 a day is possible.

      Also think about this, if u alone serve 50 customers a day, are u really going to do that or u prefer to serve 5 of your partners while they in turn serve another 5 of the partners.

      The objective is to create a system so that your business can work by itself without you maintaining it. You can be out of the equation from your business.

      Lastly, you must know that MLM is a relationship business. I hope it helps.
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      • Profile picture of the author seminars82
        Oh I just seen on the thread that u only want to talk to 50 people a day which is very achievable but it takes the courage to take rejection.

        Just go on the street and approach someone e.g that you want to know the time and then make friend with the person. Get to know them a bit and then get them to the question if they wld like to make extra income without affecting their job and what they are doing right now.

        Chances are they will say they are interested. Then get their contact number and present yr biz. But to get 50 a bit unrealistic since u have limited time and resources. 10 would be achievable given that your presentation takes 45mins after fine tuning. But to hit 50 probably u dun go toilet break or sleep!
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        • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
          Originally Posted by seminars82 View Post

          Oh I just seen on the thread that u only want to talk to 50 people a day which is very achievable but it takes the courage to take rejection.

          Just go on the street and approach someone e.g that you want to know the time and then make friend with the person. Get to know them a bit and then get them to the question if they wld like to make extra income without affecting their job and what they are doing right now.

          Chances are they will say they are interested. Then get their contact number and present yr biz. But to get 50 a bit unrealistic since u have limited time and resources. 10 would be achievable given that your presentation takes 45mins after fine tuning. But to hit 50 probably u dun go toilet break or sleep!
          Do not do this.
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          • Profile picture of the author seminars82
            Yeap I agree. But the first step to succeed in any business esp in the areas of sales and marketing is to learn the ability to take rejection. Robert Kiyosaki once mentions the reason why a person has not succeed in the business is because one has not been rejected enough.

            Even the president of United is being rejected by so many people before he can take that high level of position. Has you been rejected by millions of people?

            So when I suggest taking on the street, it's not the best way in prospecting but it's a great school to learn the skill of taking rejection. When you have graduated from that school, you will succeed. I have been sometime in the mlm industry before and I discover the biggest reason why many have not succeed is the fear of rejection.

            As long as they cannot overcome, they cannot move towards their goals. That's why I say mlm is a coaching business. You coach people to overcome their barriers, their beliefs and leading to the transformation of the being of the person.

            When they are transformed physically, spiritually and emotionally, they can be any industry, they ultimately will succeed. The problem is never with the business, the ultimate problem always lies with the person himself. But the question is who will give them a supporting climate to make that transformation.

            Secondly, you have to prepare to take the lead and take on stage. Because if you are to be successful in this industry, you have to position yourself as the leader. People look out to you for the solution that they are having.

            You are like the doctor giving the medicine to heal their wounds etc. So this industry is not an easy one but a very rewarding business if you are the type of person likes to help other people. Your business will not move unless your downlines move.

            So your ability to communicate, train and coach them to become leaders are the biggest factors in the success of the business, so that you can work less, have more time and being financially rewarded.

            Compared to an internet business that worked behind a computer, yes one may earn great income but essentially there is something missing in the business - the soul of the business.

            If you are considering a business with a life mission to help others as it involves relationship building, and chances are you will meet poor people along the way who are driven to succeed, or even people who have very sad stories to tell. As this business comes to a very personal level and if you treat it like a life mission, then probably your business can be sustainable over the long run.

            Unfortunately, most work on this business without a missionary statement. When this happens, it becomes like a number game. That's why u can hear from people that say it's a number game. But no it's a relationship game.

            So it's a good vehicle to train in your leadership, your communication skill and your management skill. I have to agree with what some of the warriors mention. It is very IMPORTANT that your mlm company has a very good business education to train you in these 3 areas which are very vital in the business.

            Regards,
            Jerry
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  • Profile picture of the author Nightengale
    Freelancing10,

    I was involved with a couple of MLMs years ago. It was the start of my business life and since I knew nothing about business anything, I never made any money with it.

    But that experience taught me that the "training" most MLM companies offer is not nearly enough. I swore after that that if I ever got involved with another MLM (not likely), I'd get proper training.

    Dani Johnson (the featured millionaire on ABC's debut episode of "Secret Millionaire") made her first millions in MLM and now has a company which trains MLMers. Dani Johnson | Millionaire Secrets How To Make More Money Quickly is completely independent of any specific MLM company and so is free to do as they choose. I've gotten a few of her products and have been tremendously impressed.

    If you're willing to buy leads (faster, easier and probably cheaper than running ads), try EarnProLeads.com.

    But before you do, I'd suggest getting some training before investing in leads you may not be able to convert. Dani's Script Book and Script Book Supplemental show you exactly what to say. Her "Prospecting and Closing Millions" as well as "Dynamic Duplication" products will show you exactly how to recruit and sell.

    I'm not in any MLM or affiliated with Dani in any way. I've just been where you are and know how dismal the support and training really is and want to share with you something from someone who really KNOWS what she's talking about and offers more than just Rah Rah hype.

    Hope that helps!

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  • Profile picture of the author AdwordsMogul
    To the OP.

    Here is what you need to do, regardless of which way you choose to go.

    For the next 90 days(and thereafter) keep track of the following numbers

    - Cost to acquire a lead
    - Cost to acquire a customer
    - Average customer value per 90 days ( you'll expand this number after about 180 days, and of course after one year you will have a better idea of how much a customer is worth to you over a longer period of time)

    These are just basic numbers but probably the easiest to track. They will allow you to know how much profit you make as you invest time and money. This way you will also be able to plan ahead better, so you can make more money.

    Once you have developed strategies to acquire leads, spend some time to see which medium is most effective - look at the ROI from each source of leads.

    Then track how much you get from each person who decided to join the scheme - those you recruit. This will help you project future earning.

    Considering the business you are in, it will take you about a year to get a full grasp of these, and other numbers. Nevertheless, you will have a greater chance of succeeding if you pay attention to them.
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  • Profile picture of the author ivanadee
    Recognize the product, try the product and see the result.
    You are the real proof.
    Start with your friends, family and you can even build a website to reach more people.
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  • Profile picture of the author Freelancing10
    ::cooks some popcorn::

    this is quite an entertaining thread.

    I'm with Tsnyder.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
    By the way, our company doesn't allow the sale of
    "off the books" training material or tape of the month
    type schemes designed to pad the bank accounts of
    field leaders.

    If you run across anyone in my business doing so please let me know.
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  • To answer the question in the simplest way I can...

    Here are some tips for you put your opportunity in front of that many people...

    *BUILD A LIST of targeted leads who are already interested in MLM. These people are likely to be those who are already in MLM or searching about MLM and wonder if they can succeed or not. Offer them a free report that is useful to them (e.g I offer a free report as to why 97% of people in MLM fail while the top 3% continue to dominate, etc.). Give them as much value as possible to show them that you are an awesome leader. Build relations with them. Send out blog posts that teach them techniques and tell them about your successes/failures etc.

    MLM is all about relationships. Product and company is just potential. You don't own them. The REAL asset you have in MLM is YOUR LIST of contacts and YOUR RELATIONSHIP with that list. Build relations with them by ADDING VALUE to them such as giving out freebies, teaching them about techniques, sharing with them your experiences - showcases why people want YOU to be their mentor.

    You should look at sponsoring people as if you want to mentor them to succeed.

    The best place to start is to target COMPANY TRAFFIC because these are where you get fresh new leads from who are most likely interested in succeeding in MLM in the first place.

    So it's best to target keywords like '[your company] review', '[your company] scam' and so on...

    This way, you build a list full of people who are ALREADY INTERESTED in your opportunity.

    Have a well-crafted sales-funnel ready for them to buy AFFILIATE PRODUCTS that will help them learn techniques and strategies for them to build their businesses.

    This is known as the FUNDED PROPOSAL CONCEPT as you may have heard from others. You make money even though people don't join you by offering them other products that will help them.

    Then once you build a sizable list, you use the LAUNCH FORMULA which roughly involves you revealing your opportunity and giving a lot of exclusive BONUSES for your leads if they join YOU.

    That is how the pros can sponsor dozens of people in a matter of days.

    Because they build a list, then launch their opportunity while adding a s***load of bonuses so that the prospects cant possibly resist joining them.

    But at the end of the day, your TOP priority is pretty much like what any other Internet Marketer must do which is to

    BUILD

    THAT

    LIST


    And the rest is history.



    Anyway good luck! There's still much for me to cover, but I hope whatever I posted here helps!
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  • Profile picture of the author junglekid
    I have been reading this thread with interest and one of the observations that were made was that if You were an MLM participant you were at the mercy of the MLM company. You were just a slave,etc,etc.
    However in my limited experience in the IM field I have also seen that in IM you are also at the mercy of giant corporations . I.e
    1 I have seen people´s businesses (and lives ) destroyed by payment processors like Paypal or others
    2.- You are making thousands a month.Alomg comes Google and shuts down your adsense account or changes search engine algortms and blow you out of the water.
    3 Ebay or Amazon shuts you down and destroy your business.

    There are always risks in whatever you do
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    • Originally Posted by junglekid View Post

      I have been reading this thread with interest and one of the observations that were made was that if You were an MLM participant you were at the mercy of the MLM company. You were just a slave,etc,etc.
      However in my limited experience in the IM field I have also seen that in IM you are also at the mercy of giant corporations . I.e
      1 I have seen people´s businesses (and lives ) destroyed by payment processors like Paypal or others
      2.- You are making thousands a month.Alomg comes Google and shuts down your adsense account or changes search engine algortms and blow you out of the water.
      3 Ebay or Amazon shuts you down and destroy your business.

      There are always risks in whatever you do
      Well yes. There could also be the one day where your niche doesn't need your product/service any more. We are really at the mercy of the market trends, in reality when it comes down to it.

      That's why, the most successful companies are the ones who can adapt to change, adjust to the times, and still keep delivering the value that people need when the need it the most.

      Businesses are always at the mercy of the (macro/micro) environment and it is up to us entrepreneurs to adapt to these conditions.

      Whether Google changes this or that. Ezine does this, Facebook does that, what keeps our businesses successful is to stay on top of the times and always be able to adapt and be ahead of the 97% who let themselves be consumed by it all.
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  • Well, IM is not so much a business as much as it is a method.

    What I do is actually combine offline and online methods to grow MLM businesses.
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  • Profile picture of the author AceOfShirts
    Unless you own the product or business, every business has Multi Levels.

    Somebody that buys a McDs franchise doesn't own the business, they own a "Level". All of the franchises on that level still have to send a % of the business "up the pyramid" to the actual McDs company.

    I recently made a post about this on the blog I use to promote the Networking Business I am involved in (first link in sig).

    Think about how something like a car lot operates. There is probably a Sales Team on one level, then probably the Sales Manager on the next level up, and then the owner or maybe a Regional Sales Manager. They all get paid from the sales generated by the Sales Team. Not to mention every other person that works there: admin, financing, janitorial and maybe even mechanics.

    The problem I see (and it's my opinion) is when the company has to sell their items at too high of a price because they have to pay too many people. Or when the majority of the income comes from the joining fee and monthly purchases of your "downline" required to remain active. Eventually there will be a time when there won't be anyone left to join so the last person can't earn the income from that. They have to rely on product sales of a product that might be priced to high or hard to sell.

    The main reason I joined mine is because it is free and there are no monthly purchases or quotas. I knew that I would be able to show it to my friends and family without asking them to fork over hundreds of dollars just to get started or make them have a large monthly autoship of over priced products they don't want or need. Plus, I really like the product, but it is actually more of a service.

    I tell people that ask me about MLMs that there are actually 2 products in an MLM. One is the products or services you are selling to the customer and the other is the business opportunity you are selling to people that want to start a business. They both have to be great products for you to be successful.

    Another thing I have never really agreed with is that you must like the product before you join the business. It definitely helps, but I don't think it is a requirement. There are plenty of people that make a lot of money, but don't like the product they are selling. Back to the McDs; do you think the franchise owners actually like burgers at McDs more than the restaurants they probably really go to.

    If you find a product first and really like it, then you are in a perfect position if you have the chance to make money by introducing it to other people. Some of the most successful people in the company I am involved in started out as just customers.
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  • Profile picture of the author AdwordsMogul
    @Tsnyder - the question was how really to find out how much recruits are taught to focus on numbers. Plus literature that teaches those things - I didn't ask for access to anyone's account.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
      Originally Posted by AdwordsMogul View Post

      @Tsnyder - the question was how really to find out how much recruits are taught to focus on numbers. Plus literature that teaches those things - I didn't ask for access to anyone's account.
      I mentioned access to accounts because you said you wanted to see something.

      Why would I need literature to teach those things when I
      can simply take the new... or experienced... rep to their back
      office and go over it in real time? It's all part of our basic
      training program. I can't speak to what other companies may
      or may not do and, frankly, I don't care what they do.

      As for the argument over whether someone does or doesn't
      own their own business, I think it's an irrelevant point either
      way. It's not something I promote.

      What I do know is that I own the rights to bonuses and overrides
      produced when our products and services flow the the distribution
      network we're creating. I can leave that income stream to my
      heirs in my will... I can sell my rights to someone else.

      So... call it whatever makes you feel good. I'm perfectly happy
      with it, either way.
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  • Profile picture of the author AdwordsMogul
    Well, the same way MLM companies provide other training I thought they would also cover such business essentials.

    I have seen many promotions for MLM related products, but I haven't come across anything that deals with numbers on the ground. I though maybe you could point me in the right direction...
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  • Profile picture of the author Marquita
    I've been involved with MLM since I was about 18...I'm 25 now so not long, but I've been fairly successful up until this point. Here's some preliminary first:

    1. People hate company replicated websites.
    As some posters mentioned on this thread, you may want to develop a squeeze page/landing page with an autorespoder attached so that the leads you do create belong to you (and not the company). This will help to further introduce your prospects to you, and sell them on further products/companies at a later date.

    2. People hate not understanding how the company operates/lack of support.
    Please have personalized training for your team in place and a good way for members who join you to get their questions answered. Skype Groups or a forum is perfect.

    3. People want a system to follow/ease of promoting
    Just like you, people are always going to be looking to see how easy it is to promote your business and looking for ways to expose their business to others. Give them a system to follow. Maybe speak to someone about doing your own team website, where members who join you can use a copy of your replicated website that you've designed as well as autoresponder emails. It takes the thinking out of promoting and the success and retention rate are much higher.

    Now onto how I would get my word out there.

    1. Offline Marketing is QUEEN right now.

    Since online marketing can be a bit daunting at times due to heavy competition, offline Marketing can create huge exposure fast.

    Back to marketing A system. Develop postcard marketing systems for your team. I've just started getting into this and its working out great. I get "opportunity buyers" leads (lists.nextmark.com) which are those who have purchased mlm/network marketing based products in the past. This makes your job a lot easier as these buyers understand the basic principals of mlm and are not hard to train.

    Newspaper marketing. Write out a few good ads and lead them to your personally designed website. I would focus on the Classified Section of course since these people may have recently lost jobs or are looking to further their income by picking up a second job. College campus' are also a good place to start...everyone in school could use a bit of extra cash. Check out

    Magazine Ads: Make Money magazines will literally explode the exposure to your business. When you have the funds to do this, I would suggest looking at getting half page or full page ads in some or all of the magazines around.

    2. Online Marketing
    Online Marketing works as well. I've had several people join my list for my primary business because of this.

    I would again start with the personally designed squeeze page. Make sure you optimize the site with your MLM primary business keywords. SEO is important. This will attract all of the people who are actually LOOKING for your business. This means they already have a working knowledge of your business which is great.

    Banner Adverstising: This will take some skill, but there are plenty of sites where you can purchase ad space. If the site you advertise on has a targeted audience, you can literally get tons of exposure per day to your business.

    Social Media: This also will take a bit of skill, but many here are dominating on sites like Twitter, Facebook, Pinterest etc. Maybe those who are a bit more knowledgeable can expand on this.

    I think getting 50 people per day to see your site can be relatively easy with the know how. Regardless of whether people agree with your business choice here or not. Promotion/Exposure is just that...Promotion/Exposure.
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  • Profile picture of the author sundown16
    if MLM is where your head's at...
    check out Michael Dlouhy and his
    MentoringForFree.com
    he's been doing this for a long time
    and KNOWS what he's talking about
    enter his world

    my 2 cents
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    • Profile picture of the author miller31
      I have never posted on a site like this before, but I see that you have got some great answers and also some very negative ones. I also want to say that while your business may or may not be the same one I am involved with, I wish you much success.

      I have always thought that the direct sales industry was brilliant and I have tried and failed at several businesses over the years. It was not that those businesses were bad, it was that I did not have what it took to succeed. I can say that I have finally found the one that I am good at, fully believe in, and it has completely changed my life. I want you to know that it is possible to be successful, as I have made thousands of dollars this year, and helped a LOT of people. I have watched my friends and family change their health and many of them their finances. I am proof that this industry works.

      What I can tell you is that first and foremost, do NOT listen to negative people. All the naysayers that try to tell you that you will fail, mlm is not a real business, blah blah blah, are worth turning your back on. Stay postive, and people will want to follow you. Don't try to sell, be a messenger of your product and let them make the decision. Hopefully your company has great leadership and support as it can make all the difference. Facebook and other social media sites are great tools for meeting new people.

      I would also suggest looking up Dani Johnson and absorbing as much of her information as you possibly can. She is an amazing woman who will help you succeed in whatever it is you are doing in life.

      GOOD LUCK!!
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  • Profile picture of the author CoachManny
    Originally Posted by Freelancing10 View Post

    I just joined an MLM business.

    How can I introduce 50 people per day to my MLM business?

    Those that don't join my business, I would like to convert them to buy the product, which is a health and wellness product.


    What would you recommend?

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    Here is a start:

    http://www.warriorforum.com/articles...a-secrets.html
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  • Profile picture of the author equanto
    will you generate your leads online or offline? Will you use a website or advertise in the newspapers? I call this your primary lead generation strategy. I think it's best to focus 100% of your efforts on one strategy at a time.
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  • Find out who your Best Buyers are (the prospects that when they say "yes" will buy the most product and sell the most product). Focus 90% of your energy, marketing, money and time only on those people. It might be 10 times harder to get a Best Buyer to say yes, but when they do they will dramatically increase your sales/profits. Don't focus on broke people, focus on the best buyers! This strategy works not just for MLM but any business model.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nathanial D King
    MLM; not a business? That's pretty funny. I'd like to see you try to tell that joke to the IRS come Tax time!

    For those who insist that you can't easily profit in MLMs, or that it has to take years to do it I became profitable in my affiliateship in 4 days. It took work, but it wasn't digging ditches in the sun!

    Let this young man has his chance. He just might find financial freedom and time freedom.

    It seems to me that those who claim to know MLM, yet are hostile towards it, didn't know enough to succeed at it, perhaps have never tried it, (and therefore have no real experience), or were just in the wrong MLM vehicle.
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  • Profile picture of the author sadri121
    first you have to hard working person.i think that MLM is good business.you have to go honest,mindset and sincere people.
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  • Profile picture of the author klumpdog
    Dude... make your own info product (that's related to your MLM) keep 100% of the profits to subsidize or eliminate your marketing costs so you can buy more traffic.. sell your existing customers your retail MLM product and other related affiliate products.

    If you make good money and can prove it just repeat the same process to build your downline filled with people wanting to do what your doing.

    Also by doing this you get to keep all the leads and customers for yourself and then pass them on to the MLM business.

    Hope this helps... all I can tell you is to put your own product in front of the traffic before sending it off for commissions.
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  • Profile picture of the author asuran
    This is not something which happens overnight. Just start a blog, article submissions. Try paid solo ads and when you start having a little success just scale up your marketing efforts.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
    Rarely does anything bring out the 'know-nothings' like MLM.
    Nothing brings out my troll mode more than a needlessly resurrected thread .
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  • Profile picture of the author JimOrr
    Questions about MLM businesses always seems to bring out some "interesting" comments in this forum.
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  • Profile picture of the author arirusmiland
    MLM is always promising a good income you can generate. me myself had been joined for five times with different MLM company,

    There's no wrong with MLM, but be careful with business model & the product itself,
    Good product with reasonable price is the key.

    Now I stop my MLM business, it isn't because the product is bad or the business model is not good

    I'm just too lazy to run MLM,
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  • Profile picture of the author JaimeCruzM
    If you are new to this industry, First and foremost, Do your Research on anything you want to do before joining it.

    The best way to start getting Leads to your program is through another program that offers value and by doing that you will be exposuring your primary program without selling it right into people faces.

    You must brand Yourself instead of your business, people do not join MLM's, Opportunities, People Join People.

    Offer something of value to people, people is looking for solutions, not to jump right into a business.
    Also there is 2 crucial things for you to become successful.
    1-You Will need a good mentor
    2-You will need a system that funnels your prospects step by step
    3-An autoresponder

    Later you can build a blog(domain.hosting,autoresponder) wwhich will help you generate tons of leads for free.

    This is a Long Journey and there is a lot of work involved, but depending on your efforts, it is very rewarding once you know what to do.

    Starting out My suggestion for inmediate leads while you build your own list is
    solo ads(There is some cost involved), by doing it you will have an inmediate list of prospects.

    Wish you good luck at what ever you decide to do.
    hope it helps

    Jaime (El Tigre)
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