Writers - How I Earn $3 Per Word (or more)

by ShayB
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It hurts my heart to see so many writers struggling.

I started out as a freelance writer. Made a whopping $6 per article for my first gig.

BUT - the topic was one I knew a lot about, and that gig paid me more than I'd ever earned when I worked a 40 hour a week job. Plus I could work around my schedule and my family's schedule. Plus no commute or investment needed for business dresses or panty hose.

I was hooked.

I grew my business, charged more and more as my client list grew.

But writers, I'll share the secret to making more money than you can imagine.

1. Work as hard for yourself as you would for a client.

2. Create your own products.

3. Learn how to market those products.

4. Network.

I used to trade hours for dollars. And I got paid well for my hours. But once I finished the job, I didn't get paid from it anymore. If I stopped writing, I stopped making money.

I didn't want a j-o-b, so I started working on my own products.

One report I wrote last year has made over $14,000 in sales so far. It was 15 pages long. 4124 words.

I have over 20 reports out now, plus other products.

And I do the work once and get paid for it over and over and over.

Nothing wrong with working for clients.

Just make sure you're building your OWN empire while you freelance to pay the bills.
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  • Profile picture of the author AustinDigital
    great post! Many people are scared to break into product creation because they're worried about refunds or unhappy customers. What they don't realize is even the best selling products in the world deal with those.

    Doing product creation really is a great way to add value, and build your own brand (as you did). Not to mention, it is literally PASSIVE PASSIVE PASSIVE after you get a few affiliates and do the initial work.
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    • Profile picture of the author popmarco
      Hi ShayRockhold!

      I love to have that kind of job too. But the fear is always there - can it really be done?

      In your particular case, the 15-page report is about what? How long did you make it? Do you have to be technically adept and unique for that report to be sold? Can products be sold in a blog or do you have to create a sub domain specifically for that product?

      I love to write and I love more time with my family. Most importantly, I love to generate more income from helping others solve their problems. Probably, I just needed a boost.

      Thanks!
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      • Profile picture of the author ShayB
        Originally Posted by popmarco View Post

        Hi ShayRockhold!

        I love to have that kind of job too. But the fear is always there - can it really be done?

        In your particular case, the 15-page report is about what? How long did you make it? Do you have to be technically adept and unique for that report to be sold? Can products be sold in a blog or do you have to create a sub domain specifically for that product?

        I love to write and I love more time with my family. Most importantly, I love to generate more income from helping others solve their problems. Probably, I just needed a boost.

        Thanks!
        Great questions!

        That particular report was about teaching families how to preserve their family history/heritage and how I conducted the workshops. The report sold for a whopping $4.97.

        With Dragon Naturally Speaking, it took about 2 hours to write, more or less.

        No, you don't have to be techy. I am the most techno-stupid person on the planet.

        I have a very simple site that I sell my reports from.
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        • Profile picture of the author Charles Harper
          Originally Posted by ShayRockhold View Post

          Great questions!

          That particular report was about teaching families how to preserve their family history/heritage and how I conducted the workshops. The report sold for a whopping $4.97.

          With Dragon Naturally Speaking, it took about 2 hours to write, more or less.

          No, you don't have to be techy. I am the most techno-stupid person on the planet.

          I have a very simple site that I sell my reports from.
          Hey Shay,

          Good to see you again.

          Do you really save time with Dragon?

          CT
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          • Profile picture of the author ShayB
            Originally Posted by Charles Harper View Post

            Hey Shay,

            Good to see you again.

            Do you really save time with Dragon?

            CT
            Hey, Charles!

            Yes, I really do. It does have a learning curve (and my Southern accent still throws it for a loop sometimes ), but it is a HUGE timesaver for me.
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        • Profile picture of the author Karen Connell
          Originally Posted by ShayRockhold View Post

          Great questions!

          That particular report was about teaching families how to preserve their family history/heritage and how I conducted the workshops. The report sold for a whopping $4.97.

          With Dragon Naturally Speaking, it took about 2 hours to write, more or less.

          No, you don't have to be techy. I am the most techno-stupid person on the planet.

          I have a very simple site that I sell my reports from.
          The report that is mentioned here was the catylist for my own business.

          I now use my writing to help others as Shay taught me.

          I earn more now for just one evening of fun work than I did writing articles and reports for others full-time.

          And I still have lots of time to do other stuff to increase my earnings even though I no longer write for others - well, not online anyway.

          Thanks Shay

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  • Profile picture of the author Gene Pimentel
    Nice Share Shay! I've watched you grow immensely over the past few years... I've seen you go from just scraping by to the product-creating diva you are today. You rock!
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    • Profile picture of the author ShayB
      Originally Posted by Gene Pimentel View Post

      Nice Share Shay! I've watched you grow immensely over the past few years... I've seen you go from just scraping by to the product-creating diva you are today. You rock!
      *blushes* You are very sweet. Thank you.

      It's been a crazy year!
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    • Profile picture of the author Content Traders
      I have been writing for clients, I have written many health related eBooks and manuscripts, recently I have written some eBooks to sell and promote for myself. The problem is I don't know how to promote these eBooks and how to get customers.
      Thank you for the great post
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      • Profile picture of the author ShayB
        Wow! So many great comments!

        Originally Posted by datingworld View Post

        Great Post ShayRockhold,
        Its nice to hear that fellow warriors are making money. Making money is all with dedication, committment and enthusaism.
        One of my friend, he writes for others and makes a fortune. Writing skills are highly appreciated in terms of money and also respect.
        Good job and keep it up.
        My business Mentor earns a minimum of $600 per article. He isn't a writer by profession, but he does the writing on the side. He has a high level of expertise in his field, so he writes technical articles.

        Writing skills are certainly highly appreciated, especially when you go off-line.


        Originally Posted by drmani View Post

        This is GOLD.

        Even today, I sometimes find it hard to remember this - especially
        while saying to myself, "I could be getting paid $300 to write the
        same content for a client!"

        It can be a bit unnerving while creating your own content, not sure
        if it'll even earn you a cent. Which is why it helps to STRICTLY
        monitor your "return on writing" - and keep track on a "dollars/cents
        per word" basis FOR YOUR OWN information business.

        Not just in the short term, but in the long run.

        That's how I discovered that writing for myself makes, on average,
        $1 per word - and keeps me motivated to put out my best work, when
        writing for MYSELF.

        If you're a member of the War Room, go and hunt for a report by
        Allen Says that deals with making a fortune from writing and selling
        $5 special reports. It's a part of the 'Cut Throat Tactics' ebook
        as well, if I remember right. That outlines a COMPLETE strategy
        that ANY writer can follow to hit these seemingly ambitious goals
        - and exceed them.

        Thanks for an EXCELLENT post, Shay.

        All success
        Dr.Mani
        *blushes* Thank you for the kind words.

        Yes, that report is awesome - a definite "must read."

        Originally Posted by cloudstrife View Post

        Brilliant thread. As from the responses, it has opened up a few warriors mindsets to the many possibilities of product creation.

        Add value to your customers and actually give them benefit from your product (not selling them duds) and product creation could be of significant benefit to you. The customer is king.
        Not "could."

        Creating products that actually help solve problems or present alternatives that people perhaps did not think of before is the key.

        Creating garbage is a sure way to fail.

        Originally Posted by Ronak Shah View Post

        Shay is a selfless person. She does work from her heart and helps people without expecting too much from them. I have experienced this myself with her and trust her completely. Shay is inspiring and I find her quite intriguing. She is an inspiration.

        I can tell she will, no doubt, help people without any hesitation. I am inspired by Shay. My five stars. And now she has given us awesome advice to create our own products. WOW!
        *blushes* Thank you for the kind words.

        Originally Posted by ryuchi View Post

        Very nice tips. Product creation sure does let you bring home the bacon. But earning $3 per word will need practice, practice and more practice. I have seen a lot of crap ebooks before and I doubt that they did earned lots from what they came up with.

        Produce quality, only quality information and you are ought to harvest good from it.

        Ryuchi
        I find it odd that everyone keeps talking about providing quality. I think it's a sad commentary on the state of affairs that providing good quality information isn't a given, but that everybody seems to feel the need to suggest it.

        (I don't say that to pick on you - it's just that I noticed so many people had said it when I read your post. )

        Originally Posted by AmandaT View Post

        Thanks! I've been a War Room member for a long time and I came across that once but when I was looking for it again I couldn't find it.

        Remember... there are a lot of options when you decide to write for yourself. The best part is, you can be creative and pick something you are passionate about. I loved being a freelance writer... but once I started writing for myself, I found myself looking forward to getting work done day after day because I LOVED what I was writing about!
        Exactly! You can write about what you're passionate about, then you control your schedule and your workload.

        Originally Posted by AndyBlackSEO View Post

        Yes, and remember that the higher quality your first product is, the more likely you will attract "more" sales from your subsequent products due to good feedback, reviews and "repeat" custom. Start as you mean to go on.
        I have a very responsive list, and they are very eager to buy my new products.

        It's very nice having people who look forward to buying your work.

        Originally Posted by Audrey Harvey View Post

        Excellent thread with some real gems of information. When it comes to this:

        Work as hard for yourself as you would for a client.

        I think we must also make time for ourselves as we would a client. This is something I'm really struggling with right now. I have a fair bit to do for my clients, and am not getting to my own projects. Not any more. When I block off time for client work, I'm also going to block off time for my own work.

        Thanks Shay for starting this thread.
        You're welcome.

        Even if you only set aside 30 minutes a day, you can be creating your own empire while working for others. 15 minutes in the morning, 15 minutes in the evening - you would be surprised how much you can accomplish in just that short amount of time.

        Originally Posted by ejunkie View Post

        I agree, ShayRockhold.

        I really like your success story. More success to you in the future.

        And may I add (for the benefit of the reader) ...

        ... there are clients who pay peanuts, and then there are clients who pay top dollars.

        As a writer, one has to make a choice. Undermine your craft & thereby your profitability by chasing low paying clients & getting stuck in the dingy basement.

        Or move up & in to the luxurious penthouse by upping your game, aiming high, honing your craftsmanship, enhancing your expertise.... practicing your ass off.... writing & creating some great stuff (portfolio). And then when you present yourself before highpaying clients, you offer them a deal they can't refuse. Trust me, when a good, high paying client sees a good writer and what he can do for his business (or what you bring to the table), they will be the ones throwing money at you.

        The craft is the crux.
        Excellent advice.

        Originally Posted by DianaHeuser View Post

        Love it Shay

        Thank you. Once I switched to my own products I started earning some real money too.

        Di

        [Edit] I started using Windows Speech Recognition to dictate my work. It's huge fun once you get over the learning curve.
        It's such a time saver!

        Originally Posted by Karen Connell View Post

        The report that is mentioned here was the catylist for my own business.

        I now use my writing to help others as Shay taught me.

        I earn more now for just one evening of fun work than I did writing articles and reports for others full-time.

        And I still have lots of time to do other stuff to increase my earnings even though I no longer write for others - well, not online anyway.

        Thanks Shay

        Karen
        Awwwwwww. Your story is one that makes me smile every time I think about it. I love hearing about how you have had success!

        Originally Posted by Content Traders View Post

        I have been writing for clients, I have written many health related eBooks and manuscripts, recently I have written some eBooks to sell and promote for myself. The problem is I don't know how to promote these eBooks and how to get customers.
        Thank you for the great post
        1. Set up your site

        2. Set up a sign up form so they can join your list.

        3. Drive traffic to the site - don't know how? Search this forum for tons of ideas. Kim Roach is one lady to search for - she has great ideas.

        4. Build your list and offer your stuff for sale in various other channels.

        It won't happen overnight, but it will happen.
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  • Profile picture of the author GMT
    You make $1500 on a 500 word article? Sorry but I find that hard to believe, though i'm happy your business is doing well
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  • Profile picture of the author zelgly2
    Nice post. i would like to know about the product that you created and marketed and about the report that you made you it is about. suggest some internet sites where we can get some quality work for good rate.
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    • Profile picture of the author ShayB
      Originally Posted by GMT View Post

      You make $1500 on a 500 word article? Sorry but I find that hard to believe, though i'm happy your business is doing well
      You really need to read the post, not just skim the headline. :rolleyes:

      Originally Posted by zelgly2 View Post

      Nice post. i would like to know about the product that you created and marketed and about the report that you made you it is about. suggest some internet sites where we can get some quality work for good rate.
      I told a bit about the product in a previous reply.

      As far as work goes - you can find plenty of writers here on the WF, no need to look elsewhere.
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      • Profile picture of the author GMT
        Originally Posted by ShayRockhold View Post

        You really need to read the post, not just skim the headline. :rolleyes:
        Oh sorry, your title was misleading, when people typically talk about being payed per word, they mean writing unique content/articles for their clients. Not just making a product and selling copies of it. For instance I doubt the author of the Harry potter series breaks down the money she's made off her books by each individual word, people aren't paying for the words, they're paying for the stories in that case. But interesting way to look at it I suppose.
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        • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
          Originally Posted by GMT View Post

          Oh sorry, your title was misleading, when people typically talk about being payed per word, they mean writing unique content/articles for their clients. Not just making a product and selling copies of it. For instance I doubt the author of the Harry potter series breaks down the money she's made off her books by each individual word, people aren't paying for the words, they're paying for the stories in that case. But interesting way to look at it I suppose.
          Now you're starting to get it...

          A small attitude shift away from trading work for money (in this case, writing unique content/articles for clients) to building assets you own and get paid for multiple times (creating your own products).

          Many times, the content you create may not even be all that different from what your clients want anyway.

          There are several product sellers here who got their start ghostwriting information products for others to sell, then made the transition to selling their own.
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          • Profile picture of the author GMT
            Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

            Now you're starting to get it...

            A small attitude shift away from trading work for money (in this case, writing unique content/articles for clients) to building assets you own and get paid for multiple times (creating your own products).

            Many times, the content you create may not even be all that different from what your clients want anyway.

            There are several product sellers here who got their start ghostwriting information products for others to sell, then made the transition to selling their own.
            I'm well aware of how profitable selling ones own products/services can be in fact that's my main business focus, I was just saying that this particular threads title didn't give off that's what she was doing. Which i'm not against, catchy titles are the name of the game.
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            • Profile picture of the author sidcandid
              Great Post Shay. I have been writing for clients for sometime now. I have just recently started my own PLR store. It feels a lot better working for my own stuff.
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            • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
              Originally Posted by GMT View Post

              I'm well aware of how profitable selling ones own products/services can be in fact that's my main business focus, I was just saying that this particular threads title didn't give off that's what she was doing. Which i'm not against, catchy titles are the name of the game.
              The headline was phrased in the currency of a typical paid-for-writing gig so that its juxtaposition with the business model outlined in the OP would resonate with those aware of the freelance predicament and thus help to drive home the point being made.

              It's what writers do.


              Shay, great post (and headline).


              Frank
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              • Profile picture of the author GMT
                Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

                so that its juxtaposition
                Frank
                Nice word there Frank Had to look it up, will add to my vocabulary, thanks sir.
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              • Profile picture of the author ShayB
                Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

                The headline was phrased in the currency of a typical paid-for-writing gig so that its juxtaposition with the business model outlined in the OP would resonate with those aware of the freelance predicament and thus help to drive home the point being made.

                It's what writers do.


                Shay, great post.


                Frank
                Thank you for explaining that, and for the kind words.
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  • Profile picture of the author WikiWarrior
    Great thread title Shay I hope to follow in your footsteps building up my writing business whilst working hard on creating my first info product. Just out of curiosity do you write any fiction in addition to your reports and other products? Thanks for sharing your success story, very inspiring.
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    • Profile picture of the author ShayB
      Originally Posted by WikiWarrior View Post

      Great thread title Shay I hope to follow in your footsteps building up my writing business whilst working hard on creating my first info product. Just out of curiosity do you write any fiction in addition to your reports and other products? Thanks for sharing your success story, very inspiring.
      I do write fiction, and have been published (many years ago, and I got a pittance for it, so don't get too impressed ).
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      • Profile picture of the author knish
        So when you say you write these reports and make thousands of dollars from them, I'm assuming they are resell items? If so, that makes sense because you can sell them for a few dollars each, but sell them over and over again. (At least that is how I interpreted the above posts.)
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      • Profile picture of the author EvolBaby
        Originally Posted by ShayRockhold View Post

        I do write fiction, and have been published (many years ago, and I got a pittance for it, so don't get too impressed ).
        This is one of the best threads ever.

        Shay, I make a good penny writing articles/copywriting.

        On the other hand I make money writing and drawing comic books and children's books. We should chat as I work with some of the best fiction people all over. They would love to know IM. Putting heads together should be quite profitable and fun!
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        • Profile picture of the author ShayB
          Originally Posted by jmlwriting View Post

          I love the idea of writing reports for myself, but I'm stuck as to how to promote them so they sell. I read through some of the tips in this thread, but can anyone expand on them a bit, or perhaps throw in a couple of links to other posts that cover this?
          Get a site together with your reports. Then search for ideas here for traffic generation, list building, etc.

          Originally Posted by Stoney View Post

          Shay, are your reports similar to e-books? I've written a couple of e-books (or maybe they're really reports and I should label them that way!) put them on a few sites and waited for the fish to start biting. I got a few nibbles, but I guess I need to work on the marketing aspect.
          They are shorter than e-books.

          One problem, one solution, 20 pages or less.

          That really is the whole formula right there.

          Originally Posted by EvolBaby View Post

          This is one of the best threads ever.

          Shay, I make a good penny writing articles/copywriting.

          On the other hand I make money writing and drawing comic books and children's books. We should chat as I work with some of the best fiction people all over. They would love to know IM. Putting heads together should be quite profitable and fun!
          I sent you some PM's!
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    Very inspiring Shay! This is so simple but many people, me included, seem to neglect!
    How I earn $3 per word seems like a nice headline! Haha!
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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    Excellent post.

    I made the same transition myself in 2010 and 2011.

    It was the best thing I ever did "for me".
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  • Profile picture of the author ianherculson
    Originally Posted by ShayRockhold View Post

    One report I wrote last year has made over $14,000 in sales so far. It was 15 pages long. 4124 words.
    This is a great headline. I'm interested in hearing more how you monetized your report
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    • Profile picture of the author ShayB
      Originally Posted by tpw View Post

      Excellent post.

      I made the same transition myself in 2010 and 2011.

      It was the best thing I ever did "for me".
      It was a scary decision! I can still remember talking with my biz mentor the day I decided to not take any more clients on.

      He encouraged me to take the leap. I'm so glad he did. I've never looked back.

      Originally Posted by knish View Post

      So when you say you write these reports and make thousands of dollars from them, I'm assuming they are resell items? If so, that makes sense because you can sell them for a few dollars each, but sell them over and over again. (At least that is how I interpreted the above posts.)
      I sell all of my reports to customers. I don't give PLR rights or resell rights.

      I've run some WSOs to build my list, plus I use social media, offline ads, and other ways to sell my reports.

      Originally Posted by ianherculson View Post

      This is a great headline. I'm interested in hearing more how you monetized your report
      LOL See above.

      Plus, that little $5 report is actually my main biz model for my offline biz.
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  • Profile picture of the author AmandaT
    Once I started creating my own products... I realized quickly it was what I wanted to do. I still take on writing clients, but I limit myself and spend most of my time writing for myself.

    It feels so much better to write for myself. I am in complete control. I don't have to worry about keyword density or weird topics.

    Even if you only take a few hours a day and spend it working on your own stuff and spend the rest of your time writing for clients, you'll feel so much better about it.
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  • Profile picture of the author pheonix44
    How do you market those reports is the question. I was thinking about making reports, but the marketing aspect discourages me every time.
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    • Profile picture of the author ShayB
      Originally Posted by pheonix44 View Post

      How do you market those reports is the question. I was thinking about making reports, but the marketing aspect discourages me every time.
      It depends on the market/niche.

      I have some reports that do very well with offline marketing methods (ad, biz cards, etc.) and some that are for IM niches. Some do well with both methods.

      Figure out your target market, then figure out where they "hang out" - that's where you focus your marketing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Ogbin
    Thanks Shay for your post. Easy and effective instructions that are simple to implement and I am sure that people can make money if they are positive and never give up.
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  • Profile picture of the author pheonix44
    I would imagine for certain niches like IM you can use an assortment of online methods. With more serious niches you would use offline niche magazines or publications. And with the internet you might use targeted ezines by those who have large lists. These things can be costly though.
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    • Profile picture of the author ShayB
      Originally Posted by pheonix44 View Post

      I would imagine for certain niches like IM you can use an assortment of online methods. With more serious niches you would use offline niche magazines or publications. And with the internet you might use targeted ezines by those who have large lists. These things can be costly though.
      So start small, then reinvest your profits in your business.
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  • Profile picture of the author jzgirl
    Shay,

    I'm just starting out; finished my first article last week, and it was accepted by the client right away. :-) I have to admit that it took me awhile to find something I was willing to write about (that held my interest anyway, lol), but I got over it and wrote the darn thing.

    Submitted it, and the client accepted it right away. :-) I have to work on that more so I can get gain more of an understanding of what clients are looking for - because I have a lot to learn where IM/SEO/article writing is concerned.

    I guess this is my long-winded way of letting you know how encouraging your post is to me...something I may do in the future after the groundwork has been put in.

    Again, thank you, and to your continued success! :-)

    Nancy
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  • Profile picture of the author popmarco
    Hi Shay!

    That indeed is a boost! A clearer one...

    Your topic family heritage/history is an interesting one in that niche. I'd buy that too if I need it. But in IM, it seems every topic has been written. It has to be immensely informative and interesting, not just good, otherwise it would just be shelved. Wasted time and money I suppose. But do you think certain reports can still be written in the IM niche?

    What's Dragon Naturally Speaking by the way? Is it the same as Toastmasters club?

    Thanks!
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    • Profile picture of the author ShayB
      Originally Posted by popmarco View Post

      Hi Shay!

      That indeed is a boos! A clearer one...

      Your topic family heritage/history is an interesting one in that niche. I'd buy that too if I need it. But in IM, it seems every topic has been written. It has to be immensely informative and interesting, not just good, otherwise it would just be shelved. Wasted time and money I suppose. But do you think certain reports can still be written in the IM niche?

      What's Dragon Naturally Speaking by the way? Is it the same as Toastmasters club?

      Thanks!
      One thing you can provide that is unique, even if it's on a topic everyone has written on before:

      Case studies.

      Your unique, genuine experience using a particular method, technique, etc. - this is a great topic for a short report, and it can be very valuable for customers.

      Example: There are a bazillion Traffic Generation products - document and write about YOUR traffic generation experience.

      DON'T just talk about what went right, either. Talk about what went wrong and what would have made it better/what you did to make it better. It's a learning experience.

      As far as Dragon Naturally Speaking - it's talk-to-text software. You can find it on Amazon.com. That's where I got mine.
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  • Profile picture of the author datingworld
    Great Post ShayRockhold,
    Its nice to hear that fellow warriors are making money. Making money is all with dedication, committment and enthusaism.
    One of my friend, he writes for others and makes a fortune. Writing skills are highly appreciated in terms of money and also respect.
    Good job and keep it up.
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  • Profile picture of the author drmani
    1. Work as hard for yourself as you would for a client.
    This is GOLD.

    Even today, I sometimes find it hard to remember this - especially
    while saying to myself, "I could be getting paid $300 to write the
    same content for a client!"

    It can be a bit unnerving while creating your own content, not sure
    if it'll even earn you a cent. Which is why it helps to STRICTLY
    monitor your "return on writing" - and keep track on a "dollars/cents
    per word" basis FOR YOUR OWN information business.

    Not just in the short term, but in the long run.

    That's how I discovered that writing for myself makes, on average,
    $1 per word - and keeps me motivated to put out my best work, when
    writing for MYSELF.

    If you're a member of the War Room, go and hunt for a report by
    Allen Says that deals with making a fortune from writing and selling
    $5 special reports. It's a part of the 'Cut Throat Tactics' ebook
    as well, if I remember right. That outlines a COMPLETE strategy
    that ANY writer can follow to hit these seemingly ambitious goals
    - and exceed them.

    Thanks for an EXCELLENT post, Shay.

    All success
    Dr.Mani
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      • Profile picture of the author ShayB
        Originally Posted by TiffLee View Post

        Hey there.

        ... any chance you could help me dig up that report?

        Been doing some searches in the War Room and can't seem to find it anywhere.

        He gives the link in this post:

        http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post6143572

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  • Profile picture of the author cloudstrife
    Brilliant thread. As from the responses, it has opened up a few warriors mindsets to the many possibilities of product creation.

    Add value to your customers and actually give them benefit from your product (not selling them duds) and product creation could be of significant benefit to you. The customer is king.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ronak Shah
    Shay is a selfless person. She does work from her heart and helps people without expecting too much from them. I have experienced this myself with her and trust her completely. Shay is inspiring and I find her quite intriguing. She is an inspiration.

    I can tell she will, no doubt, help people without any hesitation. I am inspired by Shay. My five stars. And now she has given us awesome advice to create our own products. WOW!
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  • Profile picture of the author Blade Runner 77
    Great topic, thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author ryuchi
    Very nice tips. Product creation sure does let you bring home the bacon. But earning $3 per word will need practice, practice and more practice. I have seen a lot of crap ebooks before and I doubt that they did earned lots from what they came up with.

    Produce quality, only quality information and you are ought to harvest good from it.

    Ryuchi
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  • Profile picture of the author AndyBlackSEO
    Yes, and remember that the higher quality your first product is, the more likely you will attract "more" sales from your subsequent products due to good feedback, reviews and "repeat" custom. Start as you mean to go on.
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  • Profile picture of the author ketset
    Hi, I like the idea of building my own empire and the info you gave us very helpful thanks. It's right to write for yourself and build you own little network! Thanks for this, much appreciated.

    I'm going to start writing my own just as soon as I get off Warrior Forum, I'm addicted!
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  • Profile picture of the author Audrey Harvey
    Excellent thread with some real gems of information. When it comes to this:

    Work as hard for yourself as you would for a client.

    I think we must also make time for ourselves as we would a client. This is something I'm really struggling with right now. I have a fair bit to do for my clients, and am not getting to my own projects. Not any more. When I block off time for client work, I'm also going to block off time for my own work.

    Thanks Shay for starting this thread.
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  • Profile picture of the author ejunkie
    I agree, ShayRockhold.

    I really like your success story. More success to you in the future.

    And may I add (for the benefit of the reader) ...

    ... there are clients who pay peanuts, and then there are clients who pay top dollars.

    As a writer, one has to make a choice. Undermine your craft & thereby your profitability by chasing low paying clients & getting stuck in the dingy basement.

    Or move up & in to the luxurious penthouse by upping your game, aiming high, honing your craftsmanship, enhancing your expertise.... practicing your ass off.... writing & creating some great stuff (portfolio). And then when you present yourself before highpaying clients, you offer them a deal they can't refuse. Trust me, when a good, high paying client sees a good writer and what he can do for his business (or what you bring to the table), they will be the ones throwing money at you.

    The craft is the crux.
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  • Profile picture of the author DianaHeuser
    Love it Shay

    Thank you. Once I switched to my own products I started earning some real money too.

    Di

    [Edit] I started using Windows Speech Recognition to dictate my work. It's huge fun once you get over the learning curve.
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  • Profile picture of the author ivanadee
    Yes.
    I love the words that say we must work hard for the clients.
    The result maybe not now but we will get the long term profitable relationship.
    Good share
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  • Profile picture of the author Jonathan Joseph
    Well said (or written here) Shay! Glad to hear you're moving forward with your own innovative reports.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lori Kelly
    Shay, this is so good to hear! I am very happy for you.
    Haven't been on this forum for too long but I have followed you and I hope you're proud of your success!

    I'll be looking into Dragon. I've been avoiding it because I can type fast but the ol' fingers have taken a toll from three decades of typing. Thanks for mentioning it. I needed to hear it. : )
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  • Profile picture of the author Cajun Copy
    It took me 4 years to "get it" and realize that I was only "pretending" to work for myself. I studied the best to learn how to develop my ghostwriting business, and they kept telling me to transition as fast as I could to developing my own products.

    I could kick myself for not listening to their advice! I'm just starting to get into developing my own products (thanks in large part to Shay's inspiration).

    The key, for me, is to think big by thinking small. Allow yourself to believe you're capable of achieving extraordinary things. Aim high. Don't sell yourself short.

    But play small ball. Don't feel like you need the grand slam method that's going to land you $40,000 right away. If you can create quality products that actually solve real-world problems - even small ones - you'll possibly make a few bucks. Keep repeating what you're doing often enough, and a few bucks multiplied becomes a living (and in some cases, a fortune).
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  • Profile picture of the author Victoralexon
    Very inspiring read.

    I have been thinking about creating my own product for quite a while now. I think I will take the jump soon and at least start doing some planning for how my product will look.
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  • Profile picture of the author InternetMillions
    Good advice, but writers need to make sure they have the technical skills and marketing understanding to write what's needed.

    I have no writing skills yet have done well by having ghost writers write 'reports' for me and selling them on clickbank.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mohsin Rasool
    Hi,

    What a Warrior Thread!
    Keep it up Shay! More power to you!

    I agree with transition of SERVICE to OWN Products model...
    but I must add sometime REVERSE is also good to transition...

    In my case i started with own products and had good success,
    then became LAZY, unfocused and unproductive, learning a lot, doing very few!

    But it changed when i decided to create a support team and offer services to
    clients, this created stable stream of work and cashflow into my business,
    which kept me on track and i enjoyed learning and programming new technologies...
    I still have many products planned but SERVICE has given me more pride and
    connection to my online business with awesome team in my company, clients
    and partners.

    So Warriors as it is great to leave service behind and get into OWN PRODUCTS,
    but if you find yourself doing nothing, and ZERO work done, PUNISH you by having
    clients work, LOL they will force you to get your a** back to work...

    Sometime we need to create habit of HARD WORKING which is hard to get into
    when you are your own CEO and you have all the free time. And in my case
    it was SERVICE which made me regular to work on business DAILY...

    Also i think my service business as business laboratory where you experiment a lot
    with new stuff, this can generate some great idea of your future product...
    So you see SERVICE also have its own merits, you just have to decide what fits
    best in your own personal situation.

    Have a Growing Business Online!
    Mohsin
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  • Profile picture of the author AJ Warrior
    Great info!! I'm going to take a look at this thank you.
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    • Profile picture of the author Cajun Copy
      Here's an idea:

      What if, for the next 2 weeks, you decided to write at least 1,000 words for yourself every day before you write for someone else?

      Keep a notebook with you, and write down every single creative idea that you can think of. As you go through your day, notice the things you give people advice about. Those are possible topics for a report or book you can sell.

      What do people say you're good at? What do you know enough about to carry on a conversation with someone?

      Keep adding to this list. Write down every single idea. Every one. Your mind will flood you with ideas if you listen to the ones it's already giving you.

      Now, every day, write 1,000 words for yourself before you write for a client or market your services. Give yourself permission to write junk, and type as fast as you can. Can't think of what to write? List the topic at the top of the page. Now list the first 3 prompts or questions that come into your mind. Set a timer for 5 minutes and write as fast as you can, without stopping. You'll surprise yourself.

      I've done this for the past 2 weeks, and I'm well into 7 info-products for my time invested. You won't regret this if you try it.
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      • Profile picture of the author drmani
        This thread just keeps getting better!

        Originally Posted by ShayRockhold View Post

        ...It won't happen overnight, but it will happen.
        Ah, and in that single instant, a thousand hopes just died

        Far too many people get carried away by the dream of firing up their
        word processors, spewing some junk onto the screen, and banking a
        small (or preferably big) fortune from their 'wisdom' and 'talent'
        - overnight.

        Originally Posted by Mohsin Rasool View Post

        So Warriors as it is great to leave service behind and get into OWN PRODUCTS,
        but if you find yourself doing nothing, and ZERO work done, PUNISH you by having
        clients work, LOL they will force you to get your a** back to work...

        Sometime we need to create habit of HARD WORKING which is hard to get into
        when you are your own CEO and you have all the free time. And in my case
        it was SERVICE which made me regular to work on business DAILY...

        Mohsin
        It's good to see my little brother grow such a wise head on his
        young shoulders

        Nicely said, Mohsin. And I've even followed this approach several
        times to get "my a** back to work" during phases of becoming nearly
        worn out or bored by routine. Thanks for spotlighting the value of
        working on client work - if only to discipline yourself back!

        Originally Posted by Cajun Copy View Post

        What if, for the next 2 weeks, you decided to write at least 1,000 words for yourself every day before you write for someone else?
        Here's my favorite quote from a report that got me started along
        the path of becoming an Internet Infopreneur way back in 1998...
        a FREE report by Robert Allen, which amazingly enough is STILL
        everywhere on the Web!

        You can find a good online version here.

        Write 1000 words today!

        I have calculated that whenever I write a word on a page...like this one...and get it out to a customer...like you... I eventually make $20 per word. If I want to eventually bring in a hundred dollars, I write five words. One. Two. Three. Four. Five. There, that was $100. If I want to make $1,000, I just write 50 words. 500 words equals $10,000 and so on.
        It's that dream (and goal) of bringing in $100 a word that set
        me on this path. I'm moving along it, slowly, steadily, and
        WILL get there - soon!

        You - yes, YOU - can do it, too.

        All success
        Dr.Mani
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        • Profile picture of the author Mohsin Rasool
          Originally Posted by drmani View Post

          This thread just keeps getting better!

          It's good to see my little brother grow such a wise head on his
          young shoulders

          Nicely said, Mohsin. And I've even followed this approach several
          times to get "my a** back to work" during phases of becoming nearly
          worn out or bored by routine. Thanks for spotlighting the value of
          working on client work - if only to discipline yourself back!

          All success
          Dr.Mani
          Wow direct from my hero. My inspirational mentor & brother.
          Thanks for the encouraging words and confirming this strategy.
          Your presence in IM & your support to me, has always confirmed and encouraged me that
          yes it can be DONE

          One just has to get those systems in place, strong disciplines,
          and hard work ethics..and i think SERVICE business is helping me get all of that.

          More power and good karma to my brother Dr.Mani!

          Best Regards,
          Mohsin
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      • Profile picture of the author jessicalynn
        First of all, thanks to the OP for posting this thread.

        Originally Posted by Cajun Copy View Post


        Now, every day, write 1,000 words for yourself before you write for a client or market your services. Give yourself permission to write junk, and type as fast as you can. Can't think of what to write? List the topic at the top of the page. Now list the first 3 prompts or questions that come into your mind. Set a timer for 5 minutes and write as fast as you can, without stopping. You'll surprise yourself.
        This is a great tip, and I think I'm going to start doing this. I've been "starting a PLR store" for months now (I have my domain, I have a front page up, but I don't have any PLR packs ready to release yet.) I always tell myself I'm going to work on a PLR pack AFTER I get done my writing for up front pay. Guess what? I never do. I need to just do my own writing BEFORE I do any other writing, then at least it will get done!
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Short
    Shay, your original post in this thread got me thinking about something, which led me to formulate an idea, which led me to start work on a project of my own, which led me putting the coffee pot on at nearly midnight... so, thanks... I think!

    All joking aside, though, it's posts like yours (as well as all the inspiring replies) that makes this forum a great place for inspiration. Nothing like a good success story to get the old creative juices flowing again

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  • Profile picture of the author Bigfoot1
    Reading your post made me realize, a lot of people need to it the other way around.

    What I mean is some people need to write for others to improve their writing skills. Freelance writing is a great way to improve your writing for your own products.

    Lets admit, when you have a client breathing down your neck to deliver on time you naturally learn how to manage your time well and work quickly.

    For those of us who dont' get to write much freelance article writing is a great way to train ourselves and make a few extra bucks.

    Sure we're not earning much per hour, but it is helping us improve our writing for ourselves.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mohsin Rasool
      Originally Posted by Bigfoot1 View Post

      Reading your post made me realize, a lot of people need to it the other way around.

      What I mean is some people need to write for others to improve their writing skills. Freelance writing is a great way to improve your writing for your own products.

      Lets admit, when you have a client breathing down your neck to deliver on time you naturally learn how to manage your time well and work quickly.

      For those of us who dont' get to write much freelance article writing is a great way to train ourselves and make a few extra bucks.

      Sure we're not earning much per hour, but it is helping us improve our writing for ourselves.
      Exactly. That is also what i wrote above. As everybody is at different stage, and in
      different situation. One must take all things in consideration before making a business
      decision which can impact his and his family's life and financial situation.

      I was happily reading this thread for the start and feeling blessed to be the part
      of such great community.

      However below few posts I started to read everybody recommend to shift service
      to own products asap.. yes it could be profitable and satisfying to build those assets.
      But this is not the only direction to go, at least in the start, a newbie writer should not
      worry about going into own products biz and stopping the clients work...

      because you
      need few things in place to be successful with you own products and SERVICE can give
      you that...

      you will get great industry contacts to build with clients, you will have
      cashflow, you will improve your writing skill and get to know exactly what works and
      what not...

      you experienced clients will TEACH you, force you, to bring best of the best,
      so you get to know what works and what not....

      you will learn to manage your time,
      you will learn that deadlines are important and you will work hard to meet them...
      all this is needed when you will finally launch your own product.

      And here is the quick surgery test, if you are in your own product biz and you have
      not launched your product for last few months, and you are getting depressed,
      lazy and zero productivity.. man suspend your own product creation for few months,
      and force yourself to do clients work, this will teach the habit of hard working and
      then your own product work will seems easy and you will finally do that

      So you see if you are not fully prepared for own products biz transition,
      you do not need to be in hurry, you can keep working on clients jobs,
      and take this transition later in the future.

      Kudos to all WARRIORS who have earned it with their own valuable profitable products,
      as this is the GOAL otherwise why we are in own biz ?

      & Also Kudos to the WARRIORS who has yet to reach that level, and are working EVERYDAY
      to make it happen using the best strategy which works for them in their personal situation, keep it up WARRIORS you gonna make it and soon you will starting a thread like this

      Again more power to OP, Shay, for doing the hard work to really MAKE it, and for starting
      this awesome thread which confirms and encourages every Warrior to keep up the work,
      they are going to reach that level sooner or later.

      -Mohsin
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      • Profile picture of the author jmlwriting
        Wow- Thanks Shay!

        This is one of the most amazing threads I've read here! Thanks everyone for the great information and insights.

        I'm at the point where I'm getting tired of trolling the freelance sites, writing my heart out and watching my talents make others money. While I have been able to earn a "decent" living from article writing, I'm ready for the next level but don't know how to make the transition.

        I love the idea of writing reports for myself, but I'm stuck as to how to promote them so they sell. I read through some of the tips in this thread, but can anyone expand on them a bit, or perhaps throw in a couple of links to other posts that cover this?
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  • Profile picture of the author J Bold
    Shay's the hot sheet queen.

    I've been paying more attention to her the last few months and I've been very impressed by her marketing and her success.

    Listen to what she says, you just may learn something.
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  • Profile picture of the author eman1
    Thanks Shay, great post! Clear and straight to the point. and I am sure that anyone can make money online if they educate themselves and never give up.
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  • Profile picture of the author Stoney
    Shay, are your reports similar to e-books? I've written a couple of e-books (or maybe they're really reports and I should label them that way!) put them on a few sites and waited for the fish to start biting. I got a few nibbles, but I guess I need to work on the marketing aspect.
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    • Profile picture of the author specialized
      Originally Posted by Stoney View Post

      Shay, are your reports similar to e-books? I've written a couple of e-books (or maybe they're really reports and I should label them that way!) put them on a few sites and waited for the fish to start biting. I got a few nibbles, but I guess I need to work on the marketing aspect.
      I'd like to echo this question. As a creative type and a writer, I am a firm believer in product creation, but it's been unclear to me for a long time what the exact definition of a "report" is (in the IM world).

      For example, I have a product I'm getting ready to release that is 6000 words. Is that a long report, or a short ebook?

      I know that I've certainly seen (and even bought!) thin little double-spaced, huge font, 6-page (600-word?) products with very little useful info that were sold to me as "ebooks," but that doesn't make it right or validate the definition.

      Where does a report end and an ebook begin, with respect to word count? Moreover, which term is more enticing to buyers? "Report" sounds much more serious, while "ebook" sounds so general.
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  • Profile picture of the author knish
    It's nice to know that there is higher-paying work out there for writers. This sounds like an excellent opportunity presented by the starter of this thread. I will have to remember the tips shown in order to make more money.
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  • Profile picture of the author Caprica
    That's pretty nice income. I assume your profit is from sells and you are not payed per word
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  • Profile picture of the author Aditeo
    I have been working in im for 1 year and i dont regret it . It helped me pay the bils and buy myself some 'toys ' lol
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  • Profile picture of the author Rick Britton
    Originally Posted by ShayRockhold View Post

    It hurts my heart to see so many writers struggling.

    I started out as a freelance writer. Made a whopping $6 per article for my first gig.

    BUT - the topic was one I knew a lot about, and that gig paid me more than I'd ever earned when I worked a 40 hour a week job. Plus I could work around my schedule and my family's schedule. Plus no commute or investment needed for business dresses or panty hose.

    I was hooked.

    I grew my business, charged more and more as my client list grew.

    But writers, I'll share the secret to making more money than you can imagine.

    1. Work as hard for yourself as you would for a client.

    2. Create your own products.

    3. Learn how to market those products.

    4. Network.

    I used to trade hours for dollars. And I got paid well for my hours. But once I finished the job, I didn't get paid from it anymore. If I stopped writing, I stopped making money.

    I didn't want a j-o-b, so I started working on my own products.

    One report I wrote last year has made over $14,000 in sales so far. It was 15 pages long. 4124 words.

    I have over 20 reports out now, plus other products.

    And I do the work once and get paid for it over and over and over.

    Nothing wrong with working for clients.

    Just make sure you're building your OWN empire while you freelance to pay the bills.
    thanks so much for the inspiration Shay

    isn't it interesting how the universe provides just the information and resources you need? I spotted this thread when you first posted and thought no more than "how interesting"

    now, through necessity, I am writing articles full time for Constant Content, Article Sale and others so the advice in the OP has really resonated now that I am doing the job. We shall see where it leads me.
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