Slightly Disillusioned With WSO's

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This is not a review, nor intended to slander anyone, just a simple man's musings. Every so often I pop into the WSO forum to have a look at the types of sales pitches and products being offered. People speak very fondly about WSO's, and it intrigues me that there can be so much value in this one section.

I'm starting to think there isn't.

There is currently a WSO which offers people a learning guide....on how to sell WSO's.

Now, I'm no expert, nor have I ever purchased a WSO, but is this representative of the type of products being sold? My understanding of WSO's is that they are a general product that is offered at a discount to warriors. How in the hell can a product specific to warriors be sold at a discount to warriors? Who else will buy it!?

For the WSO section to have value, surely it needs to be a place where genuine products are offered below standard price. It bothers me somewhat that people create products solely for the purpose of WSO's...and apparently can do this in 59 minutes! I find it difficult to believe a comprehensive and valuable product can be ready for sale in 59 minutes. To me, that seems like it defeats the entire purpose, and devalues the section as a whole.

Apologies for the rant, but I'd genuinely be interested in some feedback from people who create and use WSO's. When I see offers like the one mentioned above, I can't help but feel that there's an awful lot less value there than many people claim.
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  • Profile picture of the author paul nicholls
    hey formal shorts

    firstly there are plenty of great wso`s and plenty of not so great wso`s, you just need to have your BS detector on because there a lot of fluff and hype

    the reason why its a WSO is because if the product is released outside of the forum then it has to be more expensive, they are the rules

    as to the 59 minutes thing, dont worry about all those claims, its all total nonsense

    theres actually a thread going on right now about how long it takes to put a quality product together but the bottom line is, things do take a bit of time to put together

    something that has been thrown together in that space of time i wouldnt even pay any attention to 99.999% of the time

    paul
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  • Profile picture of the author ianherculson
    Shorts,

    You should get on Mike Lantz's list which has daily best WSO and weekly best WSO's.

    I agree with Paul.

    It's a lot like a gold mine. It's mostly dirt and debris, but man, some of the nuggets in there are just priceless!
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    • Profile picture of the author Zeus66
      Originally Posted by ianherculson View Post

      Shorts,

      You should get on Mike Lantz's list which has daily best WSO and weekly best WSO's.
      Yeah, not so much. I'm on that list and I like Mike Lantz, but he's a businessman. He's in it to make a buck or two. He's not recommending the "best" WSO's in terms of their quality per se. He's recommending what converts the best, by and large. I'm sure Mike has some quality yardstick, but these things are always "buyer beware." It brings up a larger point I make to my own list sometimes...

      Just because someone you trust recommends something does not mean you should buy it. It still has to fit into your own plans in some way. I don't necessarily mean something you will always take action on. For example, I often buy WSO's to evaluate them for possible recommendation to my list. I never intend to use them in my own business (in most cases). And I know others that will do what I call a "reward" purchase for a funny or exceptionally good sales page. I have done this probably 10 times myself. I'll throw a few clams at a Warrior you can tell put a lot of thought into the offer or just because the idea behind it is unique and impressive.

      But most people buy to use. And the list owner recommending something has motives beyond your own interests. Unless you can afford it, it's unwise to ever buy simply because someone you trust suggests something. And in Mike Lantz's case with the WSO of the day list, don't think he picked that product solely based on the quality of the actual product. It's not nearly that simple or altruistic. He's a marketer, after all, just like the rest of us.

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    • Profile picture of the author Valdor Kiebach
      Originally Posted by ianherculson View Post

      Shorts,

      You should get on Mike Lantz's list which has daily best WSO and weekly best WSO's.
      Is this best WSO or most selling?

      What is used to decide if the WSO is 'best'?
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      • Profile picture of the author WillR
        Originally Posted by Valdor Kiebach View Post

        Is this best WSO or most selling?

        What is used to decide if the WSO is 'best'?
        ANY award like that is ALWAYS just the opinion of one person or one group of people. So it should never be relied upon to make your own buying decisions.

        Sure, subscribe to a few lists and see what offers are selling well but the ultimate research and buying decisions should be entirely up to you.
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      • Profile picture of the author tpw
        Originally Posted by ianherculson View Post

        You should get on Mike Lantz's list which has daily best WSO and weekly best WSO's.
        Originally Posted by Valdor Kiebach View Post

        Is this best WSO or most selling?

        What is used to decide if the WSO is 'best'?

        I don't think that Mike Lantz has ever said that the offers he selects are "the best WSO's" of the day or week.

        He simple called them the "WSO Of The Day".

        He picks what he wants to promote, based on his own strategy for picking a product to promote.

        Mike only promotes products for which he has been offered a commission for selling. On some days, that may include only 50% of the available offers in the WSO sub-forum.



        Originally Posted by ketset View Post

        I agree, most WSO's are rehashes of other with some new information that if you wanted to you could find out for yourself - there are some on here that have gone above and beyond but you really have to be careful which one you opt for.

        Blah blah blah blah blah...

        Wide Paint Brush blah blah WSO blah...

        Blah blah blah...

        Blah blah blah blah blah blah...

        :rolleyes:
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        • Profile picture of the author CyberAlien
          Originally Posted by tpw View Post

          I don't think that Mike Lantz has ever said that the offers he selects are "the best WSO's" of the day or week.

          He simple called them the "WSO Of The Day".
          What is "WSO of the Day" and how can my WSO be featured?

          The "WSO of the Day" is a special feature from WarriorPlus that is designed to give special attention to the best WSOs.

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          • Profile picture of the author tpw
            Originally Posted by Chase Watts View Post

            The "WSO of the Day" is a special feature from WarriorPlus that is designed to give special attention to the best WSOs.


            LOL

            My ex-wife was the best woman I was ever with, and she was a fricken bitch.
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          • Profile picture of the author WillR
            Originally Posted by Chase Watts View Post

            What is "WSO of the Day" and how can my WSO be featured?

            The "WSO of the Day" is a special feature from WarriorPlus that is designed to give special attention to the best WSOs.

            First of all Mike only promotes offers that are sold through his own platform, Warrior Plus. This right away eliminates a lot of WSO's from ever being considered for his WSO of the Day award. The number of WSO's being sold outside of the Warrior Plus system would be on the rise I would suspect with the recent introduction of other competing platforms such as JVZoo.

            Of those being sold through his own platform, you also have to give him permission to promote your WSO and if you do not give him that permission, then he will not promote it. This means yet another chunk of offers that do not qualify for WSO of the Day. Your offer also has to have a strong refund policy to be considered for WSO of the Day.

            So when you stand back and look at things, the WSO of the Day is Mike's best selling pick from only those products being sold through his platform on any given day, that have given him specific permission to promote his product, that have a strong refund policy in place, a low refund rate, etc.

            It's hard to then argue that it would always be the best offer on the Warrior Forum on any given day considering a heap of offers do not even qualify for the award.
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  • Profile picture of the author tazmart
    I've never purchased a WSO either, there's just never been anything in there I feel is worth buying, although that's not to say there haven't been some good offers in there, it just takes something a little special to get me to part with my hard-earned money.

    I have noticed recently that a lot of WSOs are being sold buy some of the bigger mainstream marketers who seem to have only recently discovered them, and the products on offer have sort of gone downhill at bit. Once something like this becomes more mainstream it tends to get diluted with bog-standard stuff.

    Nothing wrong with that I suppose, as long as the offers are up to standard, it's just not as much fun anymore.
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  • That's the "Warrior Special Offer" of the WSO you mentioned: Warriors and those who plan to become warriors are the only ones who'll see value in the product...

    Imagine if you spent 8 years of your life studying specialized subject areas, then another 5 years testing out your theories, then another 10 years of implementing, monitoring and improving your processes and systems to get better results. Now, you need to write a guide, or a tutorial, or a blueprint of some sort, that can teach others to learn what you've learned, think how you'd think, and do what you'd do? I believe you could perhaps develop a good title and an outline in 30 minutes, write the content in an hour and do Q/A work on what you wrote in another 30 minutes. Then, if you have excellent graphics design expertise, then you can improve the overall look and feel of your product in another hour, but if you don't have relevant graphics design expertise, though you know someone who can do this for you, then you'd spend around another hour or so. That's 3 hours of your time. How much do you value your time? How much transformational value can others see in your product? What sort of results can your product deliver? As I'm sure you've noticed at this point:

    A relevant product that was developed in an hour by someone with similar levels of related expertise as I mentioned above will attach a price tag to that product while considering those factors above. Same with the person who developed a product in 2 hours, 3 hours, four weeks, six months, 2 years, and so on, based on how this person values his or her time...
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  • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
    Originally Posted by ianherculson View Post

    Shorts,

    You should get on Mike Lantz's list which has daily best WSO and weekly best WSO's.
    Not in my book - but to each his own.

    The WSO forum has evolved a bit into something that it was not initially.

    Theoretically, it is just another type of classified or advertising place - with it's own set of rules. Selling a product which instructs how to use that classified area is a valid product - even off of this forum, even though technically to get everything out of that product you'd need to utilize this forum to do so.

    My understanding of WSO's is that they are a general product that is offered at a discount to warriors.
    If the product is available on the web, this statement is true.

    But that forum may also be used to test things that are not available yet to the general public.

    I've seen it used to promote offers exclusive to this forum (limited editions).

    There are some greyish zones, but overall I think the most important thing is it should not display rehashed information but should be something the seller personally organized or created.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    There are of course some dodgy products in the WSO section but there are some outstanding products by people who put a lot of work into their products and have pride in them. A better way for me to find products has been to check out signatures of people in the forum that I like and trust rather than just randomly shopping the WSO section. I give it a look occasionally, but I'd have to say the majority of my purchases have come from a signature link.
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  • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
    Dave, give it a rest. Nice way for someone new to forum to insult so many. I have no doubt you will find immense greater value elsewhere.

    - You have never bought a WSO.

    - You cherry-pick one out of thousands of offers to whine about how it surely cannot be done in the time apparently claimed on a sales page.

    - And then we look at your sig and classified ad where you offer "top quality" original content articles, 20 of them 1000 words words each, within 48 hours, for a dirt cheap price, on any topic under the sun.

    A few of us may be a tad skeptical, perhaps "disillusioned" with offers made by forum members, because can one really provide "comprehensive and valuable" articles of such length, in such a short turnaround, on topics one doesn't know squat about?

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    • Profile picture of the author Formal Shorts
      Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

      Dave, give it a rest. Nice way for someone new to forum to insult so many. I have no doubt you will find immense greater value elsewhere.

      - You have never bought a WSO.

      - You cherry-pick one out of thousands of offers to whine about how it surely cannot be done in the time apparently claimed on a sales page.

      - And then we look at your sig and classified ad where you offer "top quality" original content articles, 20 of them 1000 words words each, within 48 hours, for a dirt cheap price, on any topic under the sun.

      A few of us may be a tad skeptical, perhaps "disillusioned" with offers made by forum members, because can one really provide "comprehensive and valuable" articles of such length, in such a short turnaround, on topics one doesn't know squat about?

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      If you would like to recheck, I distinctly say that I cannot offer 20 articles in 48 hours, and that if you need 20 articles in 48 hours then go elsewhere.

      You're right, I've freely admitted I haven't bought one. Which is why I asked for feedback from people who do and people who sell them. My apologies if I insulted you, but instead of trying to be a smartass how about you get your facts straight before jumping in all guns blazing?

      My issue is not with all WSO's, but the thought that the sheer volume, and many people's mindset towards them, dilutes what should be a subforum rich with knowledge, information and helpful products.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tim Franklin
    There are both good and bad WSOs, some are great products created by very good people and some thankfully fewer now than in the recent past, are bad, but if you watch the offer and check out the post count, of the member, look at what they have contributed, when I see someone that has like 10 posts trying to sell a WSO I have to ask what do I know about this person?

    Over all most of the WSOs I have purchased, (and I have purchased a ton of them) are good every once in a while I get a dud, but the good ones make up for it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Karen Connell
    I admit to buying quite a few WSO's.

    Although some have been dire and some have been rehashed stuff that I already knew, most have taught me something. Quite a few have helped me to earn money too.

    If I learn one bit of information that I can use to increase my earnings, I consider it to be worth the money. After all, you can pick up some great information for pennies.

    OK, maybe you could find the information for free if you spend time doing the research, but my time is worth more than the cost of a $7 WSO.

    I freely admit to learning almost everything that I know about Internet Marketing here on Warrior Forum.

    I never even consider buying a WSO that tells how to make 'a killing' with a WSO - maybe because I don't think I have anything original to share.

    However, a lot of people do have innovative ideas or just simple ways of doing complicated things and the 'make money with a WSO' type of WSO could provide the motivation and knowledge needed to share their ideas (whilst making a boatload of cash...).

    Everyone is free to spend their money as they see fit and if WSO's are their thing - so be it!
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  • Profile picture of the author homburg
    I second 'slightly disillusioned'. I've promised myself to stop buying them and to get on with producing good content and marketing it sensibly. Many WSOs seem to have a good idea or two buried in them, but it's surrounded by fluff. I sometimes wish people would sell a one-page PDF with the actual info rather than dress it up as 50 pages and three bonus videos of waffle. There are exceptions, of course.

    But I've also noticed:
    - if you look in the Kindle store some WSOs appear there much cheaper (maybe when WF revenue has dried up?) - so much for 'special offers'!
    - if you read the longer posts at this forum, you can often find just as useful info buried there - for free.

    If more WSOs contained lots of hard data from experience rather than airy promises of $$$, things might be different.
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    • Profile picture of the author atlantarobin
      I've learned a lot from WSO's, so whether or not I buy them is irrelevant to me. And if I don't like it, or it's not what was promised, I simply get a refund.

      In some cases, I've waited a long time to ask for a refund because the guy who sold it was such a great guy, such a great teacher, I felt bad about the refund. But had to do it because what was promised in the title and sales copy was totally unrelated to what was delivered. A simple name change would have cured that and I said so in the feedback.

      I say this because it's obvious to me that various marketers have various goals for using WSOs as a selling platform. Some use it as a testing gwound, for feedback, to improve their product before a big price jump and internet-wide grand launch. I can't tell you the number of times I've slapped myself for not buying an WSO when it was so cheap and then having to pay 10 times that amount later when I found I couldn't do without it.

      I've noticed the Kindle book lower prices for some ex-WSOs, too, as well as ALL the freebie giveaways post-WSO. You can search for them and find free goldmines out there. Now I NEVER buy an WSO until I read the whole thread, do a search on the WF for related WSOs, and see if any similar ones were either better, had more value at a lower price, or there was now a free WSO better than the one being presently offered.

      So to me, WSOs serve a lot of purposes and have great value.

      But why would someone just give away their WSO after selling it here? Many times for IMers, the purpose of their WSO was to build their list, not to make their money on the inital sell. Some give ALL the money to their JV partners/affiliates with 100% commissions. A good product at an extremely low value makes everyone happy in those cases. They walk away with a huge addition to their list, lots of raving fans and pats on their back, and can then market upsells and affiliate offers to their list in a more laid back, quiet, and helpful way. It's truly the best way I've noticed true professionals approach the WSO marketplace game.

      As far as selling infoproducts on how to conduct a WSO? OMG, when I started researching this, I was shocked at how easy it is to really screw up an WSO and shoot yourself in the foot. Obviously, we've all noticed how nasty things can get when someone starts bashing a host or guest or product producer. All kinds of things can go wrong. Technical problems. Paypal link problems. Didn't get my download link. Your customer service stinks. You sold me something 3 years ago and I want my money back. Why did you screw your father out of his money? (Just saw that one recently). You stole this from someone else. Can I have a free copy. The WF server crashed. My server crashed. Where's video proof? Your graphics are crappy. And on and on, without ever even mentioning the value of the actual product sometimes.

      Would I dare to try to sell anything in a WSO without buying someone's guide who has successfully done so before? No way. In fact, I'm searching for that guide right now, lol. After buying and reading a lot of WSO's, I'm entirely confident that I have some unique skills and techniques to share that would really be of great value to others. But after watching a few blood baths in the WSO Coliseum, I would fully expect to be ripped apart if I DID NOT do my platform research first.

      BTW, just because someone has low numbers in their profile does not necessarily mean they're new to the WF. Years ago, I was pretty active here, went away, and when I came back I couldn't log in. Started a new profile, watched for a while, and only recently started making comments again. So sometimes things are not as they seem.

      Just some of my thoughts on the matter...

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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        Robin,

        Welcome back!
        Obviously, we've all noticed how nasty things can get when someone starts bashing a host or guest or product producer. All kinds of things can go wrong. Technical problems. Paypal link problems. Didn't get my download link. Your customer service stinks.
        Those issues are the ones that help you see what the seller is really about. Do they handle them responsibly, or do they fly off the handle about real concerns?
        You sold me something 3 years ago and I want my money back. Why did you screw your father out of his money? (Just saw that one recently).
        Some people's kids, eh?
        You stole this from someone else.
        Depends. If they're alleging actual copyright infringement, we take that VERY seriously. If they're just saying "This isn't new. I've seen something that looked a lot like this in other products," they need to get over it. There just isn't that much that's totally new in marketing. Most products do bring a different approach or perspective that can be useful, though.
        Can I have a free copy. The WF server crashed. My server crashed. Where's video proof? Your graphics are crappy. And on and on, without ever even mentioning the value of the actual product sometimes.
        [chuckle] Gotta love some of these.

        The most fun are the ones who complain loud and long about how they couldn't get their product because the forum was "down." Even if that happened, it's got nothing to do with this system. We don't handle any part of the transaction. Just the ad. Payment, delivery... all elsewhere.

        There are a crop of idiots who seem to make a hobby of trying to start cascades of chaos in WSO threads. They don't seem to grok the concept behind "If you haven't bought the product, you can't comment on it." Or the idea that suspicious stuff should be reported to the mods, so it can be looked at before blasting someone. You'd be surprised how often it turns out the suspicion was unfounded and people's offers get blown out of the water because someone saw something innocent they didn't understand and turned what should have been a private question into a public accusation.


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        • Profile picture of the author atlantarobin
          All in all, to answer the gentleman's original question, I'd have to say WSOs are an online marketer's best chances of reaching whatever goal they set in selling, marketing, promoting or testing their products or building their prospect lists for other products. Where else can they get this kind of intense, robust, rapid-fire interaction and feedback without leaving their homes or wrecking their marriages and still earn a profit? It's a training ground, a university-level education, that can't be earned or bought anywhere else but here.

          To the freshman gentleman inquirer, turn your spyglass here a half-turn like so and your mind will soon fill with an irreplaceable marketing education, too, filling your pockets with profits for your time and thoughts and money well invested. It's all a matter of how one sees and interacts with things.
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  • Profile picture of the author kxp
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    There's one obvious thing: no one will sell you $10k for $10 or even $1000 (if you don't get it then you have some real problems). So if the seller makes real money using his method he will never sell it. If he is selling it it either doesn't work (it may be working in the past) or there are some other problems.
    So when you see a new "WSO" just analyze the opportunity and if it says you'll get some big money and costs only $17 or $47 or even $197 just don't buy it.
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    • Profile picture of the author indyguy
      I don't think that's true at all.

      The truth of the matter is, if you have a relatively easy and simple way to make a decent amount of money, you could give it to 1,000 people that claim they would do 'anything' to be successful. Less than 5 out of that 1,000 would actually do it and see it through to the end.

      People that struggle to be successful don't need more information, they need more control over themselves. Unfortunately, that's tough to do. I know it was extremely difficult for me.

      That's part of the reason I haven't done a WSO in quite awhile; I'm just too afraid people won't use it, and it will be a waste of their time and money. I don't want to be part of the problem.

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      Originally Posted by kxp View Post

      There's one obvious thing: no one will sell you $10k for $10 or even $1000 (if you don't get it then you have some real problems). So if the seller makes real money using his method he will never sell it. If he is selling it it either doesn't work (it may be working in the past) or there are some other problems.
      So when you see a new "WSO" just analyze the opportunity and if it says you'll get some big money and costs only $17 or $47 or even $197 just don't buy it.
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  • Profile picture of the author louie6925
    I think alot of people are missing the OP's point! fundamentally he is highlighting the fact that the wso section has now become such a money making stream of revenue, people have forgotten the principles behind the whole thing.

    A Warrior Special Offer was intended and started off as a place where marketers could sell their products at a unique price to warriors only, they may of had them on digiresults and clickbank too, but the point was Warriors could get that product at a discount.

    However it has predictably evolved into a marketplace where complete newbies are able to re-hash content, dress it up a little and claim as their own and sell to a hungry market! Yes there is nothing wrong with that if you are the one marketing, but I'm willing to bet that 80% of these wso's never make it past the forum! meaning that they were only ever intended as a wso, meaning its no longer a special offer as here is the only place you can get them.

    Inevitably what happens with that is the quality of the products go down, as more and more people see the wso threads as a money making excercise only and nothing to do with providing a special offer! this is reflected by the amount of OTO's on the wso's nowadays!a special offer for a product should not contain OTO's and upsells, and as the OP stated there are wso's on how to launch and create wso's which defeats the original intention, also you now are getting more and more wso's which are free with a sole purpose to build a list!! wheres the special offer in that????

    To take this even further, JV's have become huge on the wso forums and as soon as someone releases a wso, almost two pages of reviews magically apear within 12 hours (all JV partners) with butt kissing review after review.

    In summary the OP has got it spot on and doesnt deserve some of the replies on this thread as he has simply said it how it is! and the more people that speak up about it the better, as if it carries on the way it is going, the WSO section will soon lose ALL credibility, and that will be a great shame as some of you have rightfully stated that you can pick up some real gold there, and there is plenty of genuine wso's released every day, but trying to weed them out from the BS is getting harder and harder.

    So I want to say thankyou to the OP for his observation, its something that is driving me mad and like I said it will be a sad day that the warrior forum becomes nothing other than just a market place for people to pedal their crap. This is a great forum with tons of great great people within the community which have helped thousands become successful - thats what makes the WF stand out from the rest, so pleae lets keep it that way!!

    Rant over..............and breath!
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  • Profile picture of the author WebPen
    A lot of WSOs are GOLD- but marketers don't apply what they learned.

    Or they simply copy-paste, but it doesnt make them money super-fast so they move on to something else.

    The problem is that since WSOs are so inexpensive, it's tempting to grab a lot of them. Meanwhile just one good WSO can set you for life if you apply it the right way.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris-
    You're right, some WSO's have little value. Some have a lot of value. Some in between.

    In my early years of IM, I bought many "IM systems". The first one I bought, I spent slightly over $500, and in total, over a year, made a lot less than one dollar from that system, BUT I knew the basics of WordPress and a few other things.

    Same for several other systems I've bought, one of the systems, I was on the forum with 88 other people who'd bought the same system. By the time the forum ended, not one person could say they'd made a single cent from the system who's very title promissed an exact amount of profit in an exact number of days.

    BUT, I don't regret buying any of these systems. I learned something valuable from each one, and once enough little bits of learnings are put together, one knows enough to start making some money.

    There certainly are real systems for making profit in IM. Some of those are free in the War Room, and some of them exist in WSO's (see my Sig!).

    That's the reality of IM . . . a lot of what's sold is very far from what it pretends to be. On the other hand, most of it is fairly cheap, and it's usually possible to learn something from spending a little, that over the years makes a lot more profit than what you spent.

    So, if one learns the reality that IM is full of exaggerations and lies, but amongst those is the info you need to make real money, approach it with that in mind, and you'll keep learning until you succeed.


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  • Profile picture of the author tryinhere
    Originally Posted by Formal Shorts View Post

    I'm starting to think there isn't.
    Now, I'm no expert, nor have I ever purchased a WSO,
    I can't help but feel that there's an awful lot less value there than many people claim.
    Your having a think and you have never purchased one bit you feel there is less value than what is claimed ?
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      I commend the OP for doing the THINKING before he starts to accumulate a library of WSOs - which people seem to do these days.

      The popularity of this forum - WSOs that can run month after month - the affiliate program not even part of this forum -and the number of people online today.....have combined to create a different WSO section than we used to have. Hey - things change.

      If you believe the "IM dream" of fast/easy money with little work and doing nothing you don't enjoy doing....you can buy WSOs till the cows come home and still be in the same place you are today.

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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      There is currently a WSO which offers people a learning guide....on how to sell WSO's.
      There have been more than one of those lately. And you really want to be careful of what advice you follow from them. Some of it can get you banned here.
      is this representative of the type of products being sold?
      No single offer, or even generalized description, is 'representative' of the WSO section. Which is one of the problems with this sort of rant.

      People form opinions or impressions based on nothing more than a self-filtered data-set, and then announce them publicly. Others assume there to be some basis for the comments, and repeat them as gospel. Next thing you know, you hear stupid things like "Everyone knows..."
      When I see offers like the one mentioned above, I can't help but feel that there's an awful lot less value there than many people claim.
      If you want to generalize a single ad or small sample of them into an opinion of an entire market, go for it. That's your business. You are allowed to be as formulaic as you like.

      I went to Best Buy the other day and saw a pretty broad range of products. Some of them were state of the art, and some were dismal garbage, designed to make money on over-priced consumables. (Think printers...) Some were works of art and some were hyped up silliness, sold to people who were more interested in the artist on the label than the content in the package.

      Those were my impressions. Someone else might value very different things than I would, and for reasons that are, to them, 100% valid.

      Some people hate Best Buy. I like it, based on the service you get at the one I go to. Which of us is right?

      Maybe both?

      What useful purpose is served by threads that start with "I have no real experience of this thing, but I have formed an opinion, which is...?"

      The WSO section, like the rest of the forum, has evolved over the years. That should not surprise anyone. We are no longer the smallish group of early adopters that existed when the concept of a Warrior Special Offer was first proposed by Teresa King, way back in the Uni-Sol days.

      Change happens.


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      • Profile picture of the author Formal Shorts
        Appreciate all the replies, and my apologies if I upset anyone by generalising, or by rushing to judgement. I was, and am, simply genuinely interested in how members more experienced in the way of the WSO forum think of and view it, as it can be an intimidating and daunting place. From the replies here, it is obvious that many people - veterans of the forum included - find great value in WSOs, and that in itself is reassuring. It also seems that others who have bought WSOs have a less than positive opinion of the section. Perhaps they too will find some reassurance from many of the replies here.

        Anywho, thanks to all for the replies, and apologies again for rubbing some people up the wrong way.
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          apologies again for rubbing some people up the wrong way.
          Piffle.

          You are allowed to be critical as long as you're reasonable. You honestly stated your qualifications for forming the impression, and you didn't make foolish accusations.

          Nothing to apologize for.


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  • Profile picture of the author lgibbon
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    Originally Posted by Formal Shorts View Post


    There is currently a WSO which offers people a learning guide....on how to sell WSO's.
    Only one??
    I thought they all were.
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      Les,
      Only one??
      I thought they all were.
      Including yours?
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  • Profile picture of the author Bruce NewMedia
    I doubt anyone is creating a serious wso in 59 minutes. ...an hour, yes. (smiles)

    I don't see the wso forum as any different than other venues where a certain category of products are sold. There's great, good, decent, fair, lacking and yes, junk.

    And so? Most wouldn't even agree on which products qualify for each category.

    I buy and sell there, and despite it's flaws, I don't know where you can snatch better deals, many dirt cheap, on marketer products than the wso forum.

    And to Paul Myers, all I can say is, "You LIKE Best Buy?"
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      Bruce,
      And to Paul Myers, all I can say is, "You LIKE Best Buy?"
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      • Profile picture of the author robyna
        I think it completely depends on what you are looking for. I have a PLR site where I sell PLR articles for $1 a piece. When I have a WSO I usually sell each article for around $ .40. I will usually eventually list the articles on my site later for $1 so you really have gotten a deal with my WSO's.

        As for other types of WSO's, there are some good and some bad, just like any marketplace.

        The WSO's on how to sell a WSO are actually very helpful. I read through a couple of those before I started selling them. They were very helpful. You just want to make sure you're getting them from a reputable person with a good WSO history.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Ogbin
    The problem is not buying WSO product but to implement the instructions that give you.

    Some people valueless the products because of the price. I bought a product for just $3.97 (but not in warrior forum) but the info worth thousands of dollars.

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    • Profile picture of the author louie6925
      Originally Posted by Mike Ogbin View Post


      there are two things I can expect you to do after you learnt what an eBook or product in general provide you with. Number 1, close it and take no action or number 2, close it and take action.
      I can see your point and thats a fine statement for people who have been doing this a while! personally I have the experience to evaluate if the wso is workable or not, or if its realistic, and I'm sure you are in that position too! but what about the noobs who hang on every word they say! do as you said and take action just find that they have wasted a month taking action on something that was never going to work! this is a large contributionary factor to why people give up and say that all IM'ers are scammers!

      My point to this argument reflects the OP's original statement of the fact that too many people beleive they can re-hash something or write something based on principle and sell it as a product on the wso forum! fair play they make money and thats what we are all about BUT its very damaging to newbies and gives a bad name to the wso forum for those that are genuinely selling great products!

      Im sure this debate will go on and on but I for one buy a fair few wso's a month to promote to my list!! I've purchased 6 in april! how many have I promoted to my list? NONE and thats my point, its becomming a full time task trying to find that gold, I know its there but its getting harder and harder to find!
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  • Profile picture of the author WillR
    I think the biggest problem nowadays is the confusion as to what WSO actually stands for. To me a WSO is not a TYPE of product but a marketplace where regular products are sold at a special discount to Warriors.

    To say I am going to create a WSO is to say I am going to create a product and then offer it in the WSO forum. That same product though should not just be restricted to the WSO forum. You should also go and sell it elsewhere. If the product can't stand on it's own two legs in the real world then it was probably never destined to be a success in the WSO forum either.
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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    Originally Posted by Formal Shorts View Post

    For the WSO section to have value, surely it needs to be a place where genuine products are offered below standard price. It bothers me somewhat that people create products solely for the purpose of WSO's...and apparently can do this in 59 minutes!

    I find it difficult to believe a comprehensive and valuable product can be ready for sale in 59 minutes. To me, that seems like it defeats the entire purpose, and devalues the section as a whole.

    Apologies for the rant, but I'd genuinely be interested in some feedback from people who create and use WSO's. When I see offers like the one mentioned above, I can't help but feel that there's an awful lot less value there than many people claim.

    From a technical stand point, a product might be able to be created in 59 minutes or less, IF the entire product is done in video.

    The real value of the product is seldom determined by how long it takes to create a product, but the information shared within that product.

    If you increase the video count or add a PDF or two, you can usually toss that 59 minute production cycle out the window.

    Regardless of how long it takes to "create a product", it will frequently take several more hours to complete all of the steps required for product launch.

    Beyond product creation, we need sales pages, landing pages, delivery systems, sales process testing and much, much more. The fastest I have ever completed these extra steps has been right around 4 hours.

    Now, for the record, most of the WSO products I have been involved in creating have taken anywhere from 3 to 9 days to create and roll out.

    Maybe this longer production and roll-out window is because I have never been involved in a WSO that contained only a 20-minute video or a 7-page PDF.

    Who knows?

    But I generally consider the "59 minute" scenario to be more of a fantasy than a reality.

    To give extra emphasis to this, I purchased one time a MRR product (IT WAS NEVER SOLD ON THE FORUM!!). So in theory, it should have only taken me an hour to release that product online. It took 4 hours to set everything up.

    I know I am from Oklahoma. Maybe, I am just slow.
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      Originally Posted by tpw View Post

      I know I am from Oklahoma. Maybe, I am just slow.
      There's the problem!

      Sorry Bill, couldn't resist... (no Texan could possibly resist :p)
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      • Profile picture of the author Freddie Crossberg
        I don't have an argument for or against the WSO section, I buy from it, I sell from it. I just want to make an interesting observation:

        This point has been raised since I first became a member in 2003. If I am correct, back then WSOs where still free to post and your post will stay on page 1 for the better half of a day. The section became a paid section ($5 I think) and people went nuts with complaints. Im sure some of the mods will remember that.

        During that same time the WSO section went offline for a while (turned out it was a technical glitch). People thought the sky was falling and almost the entire front section of the main forum consisted of posts related to what happened to the WSO section, I have been spending weeks,months creating a product to lauch there and now its gone etc etc

        That section has evolved, but I for one like it just as much now as I did almost 10 years ago.

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        • Profile picture of the author Mary Greene
          Watch out, Formal Shorts! The WSO forum is much more addictive than. . . formal shorts erotica (the title of your first WSO or Kindle book).

          The Warrior Special Offers forum is a global marketplace where certain topics, viewpoints, experiences, and tests sell very well while others die a slow, quiet death. Some masterpiece WSOs die a quiet death because the marketer needed to read one of those WSOs on how to produce, promote, and launch a winning WSO.

          Look at the number of members online at some ungodly hour to understand why how to launch a successful Warrior Forum marketing WSO is a topic worth exploring. Many think WSOs are the best way to prelaunch a marketing product/service and gather affiliates before moving to a higher-priced marketplace and payment gateway such as ClickBank, hoping to find a buffer for the Paypal payment service that sometimes limits or freezes accounts. On the other hand, successful marketers at ClickBank and elsewhere often launch bargain WSOs as the first stop in their sales funnel. Many marketers just stay with the WSO marketplace to sell all their products and services. Often, they make a good to excellent income.

          By buying WSOs, reviewing WSOs, and discussing WSOs, you'll encounter the most wonderful cross-section of human beings imaginable who have tried various experiments in creating business models, tribes, strategies, tactics, collections, ebooks, reports, programs, plugins, graphics, videos, and mind-altering audios. You'll think, laugh out loud, get inspired, create products, make friends and money. (Later on, you can meet them in the War Room for drinks, insider tips, and maybe some talk about the good old days on Warrior Forum.)

          Some WSO marketers are wildly successful while others are wild failures. Some are brilliant, some only think they are brilliant, and a very few are scam artists. Scammers and personal attackers usually end up in Paul Myers' moderator net and sometimes start little anti-Warrior blogs/rants. (Lucky you: your post drew Paul's attention to charm, not chide.) Just sorting through the WSO forum will give you more ideas than 10 days straight reading magazines in the loo.

          What's NOT to love?

          Although my original account was lost in one of the changeovers, I've been at the Warrior Forum since the beginning. WF owner Allen Says was a true pioneer in providing WSOs as a free-market opportunity. I know he's still working behind the scenes to keep out flame throwers and scam artists. WSOs are like a box of chocolates. Sure I've bought WSO chocolates that taste like Halloween candy circa 1999. But oh, when I find the RIGHT chocolates, it's like hitting the lottery. Go find and buy your own winning ticket in the WSO aisle now.

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  • Profile picture of the author ketset
    I agree, most WSO's are rehashes of other with some new information that if you wanted to you could find out for yourself - there are some on here that have gone above and beyond but you really have to be careful which one you opt for.
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    • Profile picture of the author AdwordsMogul
      Originally Posted by ketset View Post

      I agree, most WSO's are rehashes of other with some new information that if you wanted to you could find out for yourself - there are some on here that have gone above and beyond but you really have to be careful which one you opt for.
      So, how many WSOs did you buy before coming to this conclusion?
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  • Profile picture of the author fletch23
    Having just done my first WSO I loved the WSO related products I bought. A few were good and a few weren't. The few that were saved me some time and learning curve. A damn good value for $6.95.

    In fact we did months of research trying to figure out what people wanted and we're still figuring it out. The marketplace dictates what sells anyhow.

    We actually do have a product that is valuable to WSO sellers, but also to people outside of WSO that want to promote here. Just like the other Design Guides. They can be promoted to outsiders...those outsiders just need to become members.

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    • Profile picture of the author tryinhere
      Originally Posted by fletch23 View Post

      In fact we did months of research trying to figure out what people wanted and we're still figuring it out. The marketplace dictates what sells anyhow.
      People will buy their dreams and fantasies in a box and when they wake the next morn? well the fairy dust didn't work as well as it should have so of to market and to buy another dream.

      there was a song once ? daydream believer

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  • Profile picture of the author sloanjim
    some of the service ones are great..but the "make $50million by midnight, no knowledge etc.." well you kind of have to use some common sense.

    And the WSo's on how to create profitable WSO's, just LOL
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    • Profile picture of the author AdwordsMogul
      Originally Posted by sloanjim View Post

      some of the service ones are great..but the "make $50million by midnight, no knowledge etc.." well you kind of have to use some common sense.

      And the WSo's on how to create profitable WSO's, just LOL
      Wow, can you please PM me the link to the WSO that shows you how to make $50 million by midnight?

      I'm serious.

      Plus, I have released several WSOs that were quite successful. It was thanks to products that teach how to create WSOs that I was able to contribute value to the forum with my products.
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  • Profile picture of the author sloanjim
    Who Sold Out

    as to what WSO actually stands for
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  • Profile picture of the author jacksonlin
    Just a question. How can you be disillusioned with something you haven't purchased?

    That's like saying you're providing a negative review of a product that you haven't even had to try out.
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  • Profile picture of the author socialmassmedia
    Hi Guys I have bought many a wso's and recently have spent alot of time creating unique products just for warriors which will be sold else where. I only really buy wso's relevant to what I need or want to learn that's just me, even if it has just one thing in it of value to me then it was very well worth buying that wso regardless of price.

    In respect of creating WSO's....59 mins where did you get that from man! Its takes time to create a wso product of worthiness to call it that. You have the product - ebook, software, videos, pdfs or combination of them all, then you have to create a membership site (optional) for people to access your content, sales pages and funnel and the list goes on. I value my time like anyone else but believe what you put in to create value for others you get back numerous times over.

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  • Profile picture of the author AdwordsMogul
    Originally Posted by Formal Shorts View Post

    ... My understanding of WSO's is that they are a general product that is offered at a discount to warriors. How in the hell can a product specific to warriors be sold at a discount to warriors? Who else will buy it!?

    ....
    First of all such a product can be sold for a higher price outside the forum. Secondly there is more to the WSO section than just discounted products. WSOs are part of the forum's culture.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheArticlePros
    OK I read through every single entry in here, and I'm really surprised no one else said what I am about to say. (Watch someone else say it while I'm typing this!)

    Join the War Room. It costs a little more than most WSOs, but you gain access to a TON of free WSOs and more information that you could ever hope to read in a year, and it's a lifetime membership.

    Iirc, my very first post in the WF (and the whole reason I joined) was that I bought a WP plugin called WP-Syndicator (look in my post history) that I thought was awesome. It was a WSO and may still be for all I know. I wanted to post a review because I thought it was that good. Since then, I think I've bought 3 more WSOs, and I joined just short of a year ago. I bought 2 WSOs to get .EDU blogs, and I recently bought a WSO about Fiverr that was frickin' phenomenal.

    In that same time, I've downloaded just short of 3.27 metric tons of "free" WSOs out of the War Room, including a couple of guides on how to setup a WSO (I'm building 2 right now). And the information I've read in there that's not in here...just wow.

    That's my 2ยข.

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  • Profile picture of the author MattBrighton
    I definitely agree with what is mentioned above. Some WSO's are just fluff and hype with fake screenshots, but as long as you look at WSO's with real value, a good price and lots of comments / review, you cannot go wrong - there is so much valuable information
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    • Profile picture of the author Formal Shorts
      I didn't want to say a whole lot more on this but it would be rude not to reply to a couple of things.

      Originally Posted by jacksonlin View Post

      Just a question. How can you be disillusioned with something you haven't purchased?

      That's like saying you're providing a negative review of a product that you haven't even had to try out.
      With all due respect, it's nothing like that. In the same way that buying 10 WSOs that all turned out to be crap doesn't give me the right to say they're all crap. My comments referred to becoming disillusioned with the concept - or more accurately how some people seem to view it.

      Many people have confirmed that they bought WSOs to help them launch their own, and that they were more than satisfied with their purchase. That's great, and I'm delighted to hear it. However, when you see an approach that tells people they can be shown how to come up with a WSO, it doesn't inspire confidence.

      I would like to think that more people look for assistance in how to launch their product as a WSO, and not for assistance in how to come up with one. The former is someone looking to launch a product they have come up with. The latter is someone looking to capitalise on an opportunity presented by this community that, from what I can gather, was never intended as a means of standalone business.

      Many respected members, even big Paul himself, have reassured me and others that the WSO section is still a fantastic resource for all kinds of warriors, big and small. This is great news, and I appreciate all the feedback. However, would you not agree that if less people saw it as a reason to create a product and more as a medium to market their products that they would be creating anyway, the section would have a higher proportion of quality bargains?

      Obviously there is a huge amount of value to be found in the WSO section; you don't have to look any further than this thread to see that. Even so, I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that some sellers see it as a cash cow, and that is disappointing.
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      • Profile picture of the author AdwordsMogul
        Originally Posted by Formal Shorts View Post

        ...

        However, when you see an approach that tells people they can be shown how to come up with a WSO, it doesn't inspire confidence.

        ....

        The latter is someone looking to capitalise on an opportunity presented by this community that, from what I can gather, was never intended as a means of standalone business.
        ...

        . Even so, I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that some sellers see it as a cash cow, and that is disappointing.
        Why is this a problem to you? What's wrong with someone wanting to make money from a community?

        As long as the product creates value and the community members are happy it shouldn't be a problem.

        I think you may want to deepen your understanding of how business really works...

        Some people may disagree, but if there is an opportunity to create value and make money in the process that's a really good thing. And it should be encouraged.
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        • Profile picture of the author tpw
          Originally Posted by AdwordsMogul View Post

          Some people may disagree, but if there is an opportunity to create value and make money in the process that's a really good thing. And it should be encouraged.

          Especially in a marketing forum.
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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        I rarely quote a full post, unless it's very short. However, with the exception of the "big Paul" comment, I would like to echo the sentiments in this one. Not only for the actual opinions stated, but also for the example it provides of how to civilly express, and rebut, criticism.

        Originally Posted by Formal Shorts View Post

        I didn't want to say a whole lot more on this but it would be rude not to reply to a couple of things.



        With all due respect, it's nothing like that. In the same way that buying 10 WSOs that all turned out to be crap doesn't give me the right to say they're all crap. My comments referred to becoming disillusioned with the concept - or more accurately how some people seem to view it.

        Many people have confirmed that they bought WSOs to help them launch their own, and that they were more than satisfied with their purchase. That's great, and I'm delighted to hear it. However, when you see an approach that tells people they can be shown how to come up with a WSO, it doesn't inspire confidence.

        I would like to think that more people look for assistance in how to launch their product as a WSO, and not for assistance in how to come up with one. The former is someone looking to launch a product they have come up with. The latter is someone looking to capitalise on an opportunity presented by this community that, from what I can gather, was never intended as a means of standalone business.

        Many respected members, even big Paul himself, have reassured me and others that the WSO section is still a fantastic resource for all kinds of warriors, big and small. This is great news, and I appreciate all the feedback. However, would you not agree that if less people saw it as a reason to create a product and more as a medium to market their products that they would be creating anyway, the section would have a higher proportion of quality bargains?

        Obviously there is a huge amount of value to be found in the WSO section; you don't have to look any further than this thread to see that. Even so, I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that some sellers see it as a cash cow, and that is disappointing.
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      • Profile picture of the author payperman1000
        Originally Posted by ianherculson View Post

        Shorts,

        You should get on Mike Lantz's list which has daily best WSO and weekly best WSO's.

        I agree with Paul.

        It's a lot like a gold mine. It's mostly dirt and debris, but man, some of the nuggets in there are just priceless!
        I agree to this, there are some priceless nuggets out there and when you combine them with your own creativity you start cranking out your own nuggets by using someone else's strategy and putting your own twist to it can really crank out a LOT of money....I make over $1000/day from just the collective knowledge gained from the wso information that I've found useful over the years

        Originally Posted by Formal Shorts View Post

        This is not a review, nor intended to slander anyone, just a simple man's musings. Every so often I pop into the WSO forum to have a look at the types of sales pitches and products being offered. People speak very fondly about WSO's, and it intrigues me that there can be so much value in this one section.

        I'm starting to think there isn't.

        There is currently a WSO which offers people a learning guide....on how to sell WSO's.

        Now, I'm no expert, nor have I ever purchased a WSO, but is this representative of the type of products being sold? My understanding of WSO's is that they are a general product that is offered at a discount to warriors. How in the hell can a product specific to warriors be sold at a discount to warriors? Who else will buy it!?

        For the WSO section to have value, surely it needs to be a place where genuine products are offered below standard price. It bothers me somewhat that people create products solely for the purpose of WSO's...and apparently can do this in 59 minutes! I find it difficult to believe a comprehensive and valuable product can be ready for sale in 59 minutes. To me, that seems like it defeats the entire purpose, and devalues the section as a whole.

        Apologies for the rant, but I'd genuinely be interested in some feedback from people who create and use WSO's. When I see offers like the one mentioned above, I can't help but feel that there's an awful lot less value there than many people claim.
        I beg to differ because most people that can write a quality wso in 60 minutes or less have a wealth of knowledge on the topic that just flows into words. and You just get into this zone where you don't even know you're writing it's not hard at all when it's something you're passionate about. I never written a WSO myself, but I plan to soon. I have had to write step by step instructions to explain my daily process to friends and family to get them making money as well, and being that I'm excited about what I'm explaining the words just kinda jump onto the word pad fast. I do agree that some are just rehashed bs or a waste of time altogether, but that's everywhere on the net.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
    Originally Posted by Formal Shorts View Post

    This is not a review, nor intended to slander anyone, just a simple man's musings. Every so often I pop into the WSO forum to have a look at the types of sales pitches and products being offered. People speak very fondly about WSO's, and it intrigues me that there can be so much value in this one section.

    I'm starting to think there isn't.

    There is currently a WSO which offers people a learning guide....on how to sell WSO's.

    Now, I'm no expert, nor have I ever purchased a WSO, but is this representative of the type of products being sold? My understanding of WSO's is that they are a general product that is offered at a discount to warriors. How in the hell can a product specific to warriors be sold at a discount to warriors? Who else will buy it!?

    For the WSO section to have value, surely it needs to be a place where genuine products are offered below standard price. It bothers me somewhat that people create products solely for the purpose of WSO's...and apparently can do this in 59 minutes! I find it difficult to believe a comprehensive and valuable product can be ready for sale in 59 minutes. To me, that seems like it defeats the entire purpose, and devalues the section as a whole.

    Apologies for the rant, but I'd genuinely be interested in some feedback from people who create and use WSO's. When I see offers like the one mentioned above, I can't help but feel that there's an awful lot less value there than many people claim.
    Interesting comments from someone who admittedly has never purchased a WSO.

    Let me add some balance to your OP as someone who's been purchasing WSOs for over 8 years. As a recent example, I purchased 3 WSOs in the past month and all 3 of them were stellar. Each WSO was something my business needed or could use to improve a business or traffic process or procedure.

    Sure, there's crap out there, but a way to reduce your chances significantly of buying crap is to do your research. I researched the sellers, read their past posts, examined the comments in the thread, reviewed their guarantee/ refund policy, etc. Sometimes I contact the seller with some questions when something is not clear to me.

    There was one particular WSO that has a series of videos from a recent seminar that was easily worth ten times what I paid for it (no, I'm not going to name it as that is not the point of this post) and I'm only half way through the videos. There really are some kick-ass WSOs, you just have to be willing to do your research.

    I can understand how someone can get a little disillusioned if they're focusing on the wrong things, then again, if you haven't really purchased and implemented any of them and are only going by what you read in the sales copy, then a little more research should be done.

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  • Hi Formal Shorts, the value of WSO are depending on many factor.
    First you must like the described idea to proceed on buying, but you also can check comments and sales page to see how that product is.

    When I buy WSO, it's rare I buy some BS, because I always pay attention, I read reviews, I receive every day Mike Lants WSO who is the first source of awesome WSOs and I see which WSO is advertised more by affiliates who write me every day.

    So Warrior Forum, for me, is actually the best platform ever created for who is involved in internet marketing and all the connected businesses.

    See you soon,
    Alessandro Zamboni
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  • Profile picture of the author Bill Hugall
    Funny how in this day and age there can be any question about the WSO's! There is so much valuable content for people just beginning. I always believe that the way to grow and build a business is to learn and grow. We are in the sales and marketing industry. So why is it that people it so strange that they would get sold to here. The whole point is to make that info cheaper and more attainable to newbies! I am all for anything that helps people out and makes them some cash. That is after all the whole point.
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  • Profile picture of the author Power Solutions
    This marketplace like any other has become a victim of it's own success. And like anything else. . ..... Caveat emptor. It would be naive to think that eventually the type of people who want the quick cash wouldn't show up to flood the market.
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  • Profile picture of the author cousinfizz
    The thing I have a problem with is if you do counter and call someones scam you end up the bad guy. Or if you just have a question it seems the wall caves in on you. I mean if someone comes on and has solved something that the bigs boys with all their millions couldn't and then they only want $5 for the answer, man I have real problems with this. And alot of the WSO's say just this.. My question is why aren't they working for the Big Boys?.. the answer I get is 'I wanted to get the word out!' Oh well, I'm at a loss..**you know how many WSO's you gotta sell to even come close to the Big Boys pay per month? All I want them to be here is totally open and stop hiding what they have for sale, that's all, then maybe I'll buy more from time to time. Just tell me what you're selling, that's All I ask. Thanks for the post... and now I hope the wall doesn't cave in.. I'm just asking that's all. I do like this forum very much! It does help us out.. and to all, the best your way.. thx
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  • Profile picture of the author YoungAndOpulent
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    You just summed up the entire MMO niche. Not only are Warriors dropping products about how to make money selling WSOs, but the entire MMO niche is nothing more than people telling each other to make money by teaching others how to make money by teaching others how to make money.....and the cycle continues.
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  • Profile picture of the author Walter Parrish
    Originally Posted by Formal Shorts View Post

    This is not a review, nor intended to slander anyone, just a simple man's musings. Every so often I pop into the WSO forum to have a look at the types of sales pitches and products being offered. People speak very fondly about WSO's, and it intrigues me that there can be so much value in this one section.

    I'm starting to think there isn't.

    There is currently a WSO which offers people a learning guide....on how to sell WSO's.

    Now, I'm no expert, nor have I ever purchased a WSO, but is this representative of the type of products being sold? My understanding of WSO's is that they are a general product that is offered at a discount to warriors. How in the hell can a product specific to warriors be sold at a discount to warriors? Who else will buy it!?

    For the WSO section to have value, surely it needs to be a place where genuine products are offered below standard price. It bothers me somewhat that people create products solely for the purpose of WSO's...and apparently can do this in 59 minutes! I find it difficult to believe a comprehensive and valuable product can be ready for sale in 59 minutes. To me, that seems like it defeats the entire purpose, and devalues the section as a whole.

    Apologies for the rant, but I'd genuinely be interested in some feedback from people who create and use WSO's. When I see offers like the one mentioned above, I can't help but feel that there's an awful lot less value there than many people claim.
    well, look at it this way. if 95 percent of the people buy these materials and courses and do nothing with them or never apply the basics which are the keys to success. then just about every WSO out there is going to be updates of old information.

    so, consider you have been doing something for lets say a year, nothing really changes, maybe a site is replaced by a new one, or something like pinterest comes out. then you would be writing the same materials with the pinterest update. how long do you think it would actually take for you to pull your old materials and rewrite them adding in the pinterest, or google, or some new website to the material???

    don't get me wrong I don't believe someone new at writing wso's could spit them out that fast, but someone who has been around for awhile could easily just update their old materials and put out a new wso fast. remember part of skills of writing copy is to cater to lazy people, so you say things like, work 2 hours a week, make money while you sleep, create a wso in 30 minutes flat, make 10k a day within 2 weeks.

    why? because people in general are lazy and don't want to do the work. once you get deep into the sciences of selling you start to see that people basically don't want to hear the truth.
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  • Profile picture of the author vger596
    I must admit that I am a bit disillusion with WSOs too, especially with the slick sales pitch, etc. I have bought quite a bundle but they are a lying in my hard-drive doing nothing at all.

    So I must say that the fault lies with me. Being taken in by all the sales talk. And always looking for the next big thing (Shiny Object Syndromme).

    I think the original objective of the WSO is noble and good. You "bribe" Warriors by selling them something cheaper in return for testimonials to put in the ACTUAL sales letter when you actually launch it outside (maybe Clickbank, etc). But I think this is no longer the case with the WSOs launched nowadays.
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    • Profile picture of the author MattStevens
      Originally Posted by vger596 View Post

      I must admit that I am a bit disillusion with WSOs too, especially with the slick sales pitch, etc. I have bought quite a bundle but they are a lying in my hard-drive doing nothing at all.

      I think that's the problem with so many people out there..."The Information lying on their hard drive is Doing Nothing at all"

      Remember, its not the information that does the work..its the individual.

      I never blame my tools for the house not being built
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  • Profile picture of the author Tony Humble
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    Some WSOs are great and are worth it, but there are plenty of crap content. It's like the App Store / google play - 1% is awesome and the 99% is just worthless filler content.
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  • Profile picture of the author Trevor
    I have bought many WSOs over the years and indeed, many of these were pure garbage, but when I was reading them, I didn't know. I had to implement what they preached in order to understand myself that the authors of these WSOs were wildly misinformed themselves and only were trying to make at least some money online by spreading such misinformation.

    Even these days, the WSO section is full of crap and unfortunately, it takes some experience and knowledge to distinguish the scammers from the people who are knowledgeable and really want to help others.
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