I remember when a WSO...

hi,

may i know what is the difference in the various terminology? like War Room Member, Senior Warrior, etc....Is it associated with the length of time a person is in this forum??

What is the advantage of becoming a War Room Member? What is WSO?

Still learning the ropes here. Would be great if anyone could help me become wiser.


Thanks much!

I'd tend to agree with this. So what led to the change?

I've only been a member here for 5 years. This December will be my 6 year
anniversary.

I don't remember the "good old days" but I do remember that when I first joined,
I waited 6 months to run my first WSO because I wanted to build up some
credibility and trust among the members first. Of course busting into this place
like a bull in a China shop didn't help, something I regret to this day. But it's
water under the bridge and I can't undo what's been done.

But today, somebody joins, pays the War Room Member fee and the next day,
they run a WSO.

Where's the trust?

Where's the credibility?

It's no different from going to a classified newspaper and taking out an ad.

Anybody can do it. Just pay the fee.

But I don't judge. I'm so far out of the loop with this stuff these days that I
don't really concern myself with it anymore. But boy, it would be nice to walk
into the WSO forum and see a bunch of sellers with years on the forum and
a few thousand "relevant and helpful" posts behind them so at least you can
have a "decent" idea that the person you're going to buy from is still going to
be here tomorrow and can be trusted, more or less.

It's the same reason I buy my major appliances from Sears and not from John
Doe's Appliances.

Anyway, that's my 2 cents on the subject.

Sig removed for obvious reasons.

Me too. Mainly because I wanted to make sure I didn't fall into the "older than dirt" category myself.

Becky

Les, See. I knew there was a reason we kept you around. To keep me on my toes.

Maybe ais-usa?

Or was that Mike? I'm never sure.


Paul

Henry, Not really. Predictable, but not all that interesting. It's become the fashion for people to post angry nonsense whenever the WSO section gets mentioned. If you ask them for specifics about their complaints, all they can usually come up with is OTOs, too many affiliates emailing too often, and ending up on too many lists from one purchase.

Beyond that, it's almost all vague generalities that they seem to be parroting from other people with similarly vague gripes.

In order:

1: The OTOs are none of our business, unless they are required in order to do what the offer promised for the original product. In that case, the original offer is fraudulent and will be removed if it's reported.

2: Affiliates emailing their lists is none of our business. If you get too much from one of them, unsubscribe. Nothing we can, or should, do anything about.

3: We have instituted a new rule that restricts sellers from sharing lists, even with "JV partners" on a specific product. The new rule is "one purchase, one customer list."

4: Vague generalities? Not gonna get much traction with that...


Paul

Paul, Lots of things have changed, a lot. For example, at one point you were required to use your real name and a real, working email address in every post. Everything was in one big basket (forum section), and there was no PM function. And nothing was visible until Allen or I approved it.

The old rules wouldn't work with a group the size this one has become. We're only a few days away from 5 million posts, and not much further from a half million members.


Paul

Michael was Bruce Springsteen? That's awesome!

Slid : to move along in continuous contact with a smooth or slippery surface: to slide down a snow-covered hill.

lol your very welcome Paul

Gosh I remember the Jo Kumar debacle very well), that goes way back!

"Joe," Have you stopped getting drunk and beating your wife yet?


Paul

PS: For the humor-impaired, or anyone who missed it, Joe had a similar reaction when I used that as an example earlier, with a similar hypothetical "Joe." I have no reason to think this Joe does anything of the sort.

Now, the rumors about him, the three Cowboys cheerleaders, and the inflatable donkey, on the other hand...

LOL

I recognize a few: yourself, myself, Angela Edwards, & Jeremy Kelsall.

I was 8 years back then and had no idea what the Warrior Forum was.

I wonder what it was like back then? That was pretty much the initial period of Internet Marketing, back when people were getting their dial ups.

If I remember correctly, Gary Halbert (RIP) even posted here a couple times back in the day.

Paul

It's funny I bet most gurus can go years without ever being badmouthed in the real world. But online it's a different story.

It's a jealousy I simply do not understand.

I thought striving for success and overcoming obstacles was a good thing. Has the world really changed that much where the successful are hated?

Brothers actually. You know their parents, fulla and loada right? Very popular these days.

Being 110% honest, that's why I opened it . I was literally thinking to myself "Somebody whining about WSO's? Which picture am I going to post this time?"

Pleasantly surprised that it didn't turn out that way though.

I think most people welcomed it too.

More forums should have it.

-g

Are you getting a bit feeble in your old age Paul where you can't handle a measly 6000 posts a day on your own without soliciting our free labor?

Jerrel, Who said they were better?

They were different, but there are good and bad things to all the changes. Overall, I'd say they're better now than they've ever been.


Paul

I'm not sure, but this post might have been referring to the numbers of products created just to be WSOs. They're not sold anywhere else because the creator bought a WSO that told him how to make a killing creating WSOs. Most of the products that I've seen and feel to be of low value fall into this category.

Many of these so-called WSOs are regurgitations of what the creators have read, with no experience added as the creator has no experience with the actual method. This has become standard practice for some and it's usually easy to spot those sellers as they are found elsewhere in the forum asking questions that anyone with actual experience would know.

Of course, that's why most of us "older Warriors" repeatedly tell folks to check someone out before they buy. Look at their history and run it through your in-built BS meter. Ignore any glowing reviews unless it's someone you personally know and respect - testimonials from random strangers shouldn't factor into it.

This isn't directed at you AdwordsMogul but there is one thing you said that I want to address and maybe others in this situation can see the light sort of speak.

If people are in certain financial situations then of course things aren't easy. There are a lot of pressures from every angle but, that being said, the only one who put a person in any kind of financial situation (good or bad) is themselves.

They are the one's who made decisions to get them to where they are today. Nothing in life is "happenstance" ... your quality of life is created by the decisions you make, whether you know at the time it will influence your future the way you intended or not.

Creating a product doesn't cost anything but skill and time to learn those skills well enough to be able to teach with some authority.

Marketing is the best skill anyone can learn so long as they take the time to use those skills in the correct way. Meaning, have a plan!