Article Submission Strategy in Post-Panda

14 years ago

I don't believe there is any problem with article syndication. If there was, we would surely have all heard about it or noticed something by now.

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Joseph Robinson Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by AprilCT

I don't believe there is any problem with article syndication. If there was, we would surely have all heard about it or noticed something by now.

This. Also, since the main benefit of syndication (which is what directories are for after all) is to not have to focus on Google, their updates really don't mean as much.
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RickAtWar

Banned 14 years ago

what about post penguin?

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Chris Silvey 14 years ago

Mat Cutt quote

Cutts specifically noted that websites likely to lose rankings are those that practice keyword stuffing and sites that have "unusual linking patterns," such as links from spun content with anchor text that is completely unrelated to the actual on-page content.

Google's guidance on high-quality content consists of these 23 questions you should ask yourself when evaluating website content.
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DOMINO214

14 years ago

So is it the general feeling that duplicate content with good backlinks to the relevant web page is ok for article syndication?

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Val Wilson 14 years ago

Originally Posted by DOMINO214

So is it the general feeling that duplicate content with good backlinks to the relevant web page is ok for article syndication?

Articles submitted to different sites is not duplicate content, it is syndicated content, and there is no problem with this. Duplicate content is having the same content on more than one place on your own website.
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Alexa Smith Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by DOMINO214

So is it the general feeling that duplicate content with good backlinks to the relevant web page is ok for article syndication?

Article marketing isn't about "backlinks". It's not part of SEO. It's a traffic generation method in its own right. I promise I don't mean it impolitely or disparagingly, but if you're looking at article syndication as a way of getting backlinks, you're missing the point altogether.

Also the content you're describing isn't "duplicate". This will help you: Article Marketers - Lay the Duplicate Content Myth To Rest Once and For All - Internet Marketing and Publishing

(And even the links in this post might, though I appreciate you weren't referring to directories: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5068872 ).
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Babar2b

14 years ago

Not really sure but i think a bit of article spinning is good just to be on the safe side.

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Michaelangelo Flores 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Babar2b

Not really sure but i think a bit of article spinning is good just to be on the safe side.

Just my opinion...

Spinning and spamming articles I reckon is a no go.
My two main reasons are:

*The quality of the articles. Obviously if your article is poorly paraphrased or turned into stuff that doesn't make sense - it could damage your reputation as an author. Honestly, you'd look silly if someone actually came across your spun article that hardly makes any sense with your name on it. It's embarrassing.

*Quality of the backlinks. They have almost little to no value whatsoever. Waste of time/effort I reckon.

Although my experience in Article Marketing may be quite limited, I would say that the quality and length of your articles are top priority rather than the backlinks.
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- Alexa Smith Banned 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Ronak Shah
  
  I am still not sure if article directory marketing is going to work to drive traffic to my sites Alexa.
  
  It isn't.
  
  Nor should you want it to. Why let your traffic come to your site via an article directory (where so much of it will be lost) rather than directly (when there'll be so much more of it)?!
  
  As mentioned above, attempting to draw potential customer traffic to your sites from article directories is not only counter-productive, but it's actually damaging, for all the reasons explained in this post.
  
  Originally Posted by Ronak Shah
  
  Anyone knows if this works?
  
  Yes ... just have a look round the forum at the last one year's collection of threads called "Article Marketing Is Dead" and "Article Marketing Doesn't Work Any More". What all those threads have in common is that the Warriors starting them and contributing to them and agreeing with them are all talking about article directory marketing (which has actually been dead for longer than that).
  
  In other words, they're entirely right about everything apart from the fact that what they're discussing isn't actually "article marketing" at all: it's actually article directory marketing.
  
  They simply call it "article marketing" because their perceptions of article marketing are limited to that.
  
  Originally Posted by Ronak Shah
  
  I plan to buy 50 articles in each niche from writers at cheap prices and they come with spun syntax from iwriter.
  
  I'm really sorry and very surprised to hear it, Ronak: I imagined you knew better than this. Sorry, I just don't know what else to say.
  
  Originally Posted by Michaelangelo Flores
  
  Just my opinion...
  
  Spinning and spamming articles I reckon is a no go.
  
  Not just your opinion - also the opinion of anyone who knows much about the subject and anyone who makes a living from article marketing (apart from those few diehards still struggling, against all the odds, to promote spinning/spamming software, arguably, I suppose).
  
  If anyone's interested, I can suggest six little items to read, which offer insight into this subject ...
  
  (i) This post explains the benefits of spinning;
  
  (ii) This post, and its links, explain how article directories really work and why they exist;
  
  (iii) The first half (or so) of this thread contains a good discussion of what you can gain from spinning articles;
  
  (iv) The advice on this subject given by so many people throughout most of this thread has been really helpful to many people here;
  
  (v) On the meaning and significance of "duplicate content", in this context, this little post from expert article marketer Anne Pottinger includes direct quotations from Google's WebMaster Central Blog on the subject (not easy to find a more authoritative source than that!);
  
  (vi) This little article is also a very useful and accurate explanation of the subject.
  
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  Ronak Shah 14 years ago
  
  I have been off the forum since a long time Alexa.
  
  I am clueless about traffic right now after the penguin update and I may sound gibberish because of that.
  
  Seeing the penguin update vanish one of my friend's bunch of sites from my search engines, he actually felt as if SEO was dead for high competition keywords and link building is becoming more and more penalized or rather obsolete. Therefore the fear that ranking my review sites and squeeze pages would be a task I don't know how easy/difficult it may turn out to be.
  
  Hence, I am looking at spinning the articles and posting good quality spun & edited re-writes of the same articles and posting them on article directories just to get the minimal traffic I need to survive. This is the way to SURVIVE the penguin update and get money rolling in.
  
  I am looking at a way to build my LIST fast and with free traffic. If you know any strategy other than article directory marketing PLEASE COMMENT & HELP me.
  
  I am quite shaken by the recent penguin update.
  
  I want to know if SEO/link-building is dead?
  
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  Alexa Smith Banned 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Ronak Shah
  
  I am looking at spinning the articles and posting good quality spun & edited re-writes of the same articles and posting them on article directories
  
  It's no better than posting unspun and unedited versions. If you have a read through the threads/posts linked to above, about "spinning", you'll see why in great detail. The "spinning"/"editing" part of the process you outline will simply be of no benefit to you. This is good news: it means you can achieve exactly the same outcome without spinning. (How good the outcome is, is another matter - but spinning/editing doesn't improve it, this is for sure).
  
  Originally Posted by Ronak Shah
  
  just to get the minimal traffic I need to survive.
  
  I can only repeat that it's a mistake to try to use article directories as a source of traffic. That isn't what they're there for. However much traffic you get going to article directories, that's all traffic that you could have had coming directly to your own site instead, Ronak. If you have a 25% click-through-rate from an article directory, you're just losing the other 75% of it unnecessarily, because you're trying to subvert the purpose of an article directory - needlessly.
  
  Ultimately, I can't explain it much differently from how it's explained in this post.
  
  Originally Posted by Ronak Shah
  
  This is the way to SURVIVE the penguin update and get money rolling in.
  
  With apologies for sounding argumentative, Ronak, it just isn't a way to do that.
  
  Originally Posted by Ronak Shah
  
  I am looking at a way to build my LIST fast and with free traffic. If you know any strategy other than article directory marketing PLEASE COMMENT & HELP me.
  
  For myself, I get about 80% of my traffic from article marketing (this sort of system.)
  
  But even the other <20% I get from search engines (as a side-benefit of the article marketing) is many, many times more visitors than I ever got from full-scale article directory marketing, even before the Panda updates knocked article directory marketing on the head.
  
  I also get some targeted traffic from doing a little forum commenting (relevant forums only, obviously), blog-commenting (the same) and even from Yahoo Answers.
  
  Originally Posted by Ronak Shah
  
  I am quite shaken by the recent penguin update.
  
  Well, you're by no means alone, there. I think thousands of marketers whose off-page SEO has included large numbers of non-context-relevant backlinks are suffering.
  
  The way forward from this is to appreciate that depending on Google for your business's primary traffic is always going to make your business no more than one algorithm-change away from a potential accident ... as so many here have found (some to their very great cost) over the last year or so.
  
  Originally Posted by Ronak Shah
  
  I want to know if SEO/link-building is dead?
  
  I doubt it. But "numbers of backlinks", "using article directories for backlinks", "non-context-relevant backlinks" and so on are pretty much dead.
  
  SEO these days is about quality and relevance. Google has been saying for a long time now that further algorithm changes are only going to accentuate and increase that. This recent Penguin one is just one example in a whole series of them, and they'll continue.
  
  Spinning articles and trying to use article directories for traffic and/or backlinks is far more likely to make the situation worse than better, in my opinion. I don't suggest that link-building in itself is necessarily dead, but anything other than "quality" and "relevance" is dangerous. As explained in this post: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post6021235
  
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Ronak Shah

14 years ago

I see that ezinearticles.com is ranked 315 on alexa so how does that make this site obsolete?

Many people are claiming that ezinearticles pages have lost 1st page authority, does it mean that article marketing is obsolete?

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Alexa Smith

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Ronak Shah

I see that ezinearticles.com is ranked 315 on alexa so how does that make this site obsolete?

Where it's ranked on Alexa has absolutely nothing to do with its purpose, function, or benefit to article marketers, Ronak.

Originally Posted by Ronak Shah

Many people are claiming that ezinearticles pages have lost 1st page authority

Only people who imagined that it ever used to have that.

EZA articles go on PR-0 pages, just as they do in any other article directory.

Since I've been online (2008) it's been far easier to rank an article on your own site than in Ezine Articles. Thankfully!

People who have problems doing that are those with brand new sites (i.e. "temporarily", of course) and those who have damaged their own site's SEO by failing to take advantage of the accumulation of initial indexation rights (in other words they've pursued the "sub-optimal strategy" - to put it politely - of submitting to article directories articles that hadn't first been published on their own sites, as explained here: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post6152725 ).

Originally Posted by Ronak Shah

does it mean that article marketing is obsolete?

No. It has nothing to do with the health and wellbeing of article marketing (which is thriving more than ever, by the way). It means only that "article directory marketing" is obsolete, but that's been history for about 3 years, now - it's hardly news.

The fact that sites like Ezine Articles have lost much of their traffic and rankings is a good thing for article marketers, not a bad thing. It makes it easier to use them for their intended purpose without any complications or adverse consequences.

Ronak, I think you're fundamentally misunderstanding what article directories are for, and their role in article marketing.

This post will help you: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5068872

No article marketer wants to get potential customer traffic coming from an article directory to his/her own site: we all lose most of that traffic and it would be directly counterproductive. That isn't what article directories are for at all (and it never has been): explained here.

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Ronak Shah

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

Where it's ranked on Alexa has absolutely nothing to do with its purpose, function, or benefit to article marketers, Ronak.

Only people who imagined that it ever used to have that.

EZA articles go on PR-0 pages, just as they do in any other article directory.

Since I've been online (2008) it's been far easier to rank an article on your own site than in Ezine Articles. Thankfully!

People who have problems doing that are those with brand new sites (i.e. "temporarily", of course) and those who have damaged their own site's SEO by failing to take advantage of the accumulation of initial indexation rights (in other words they've pursued the "sub-optimal strategy" - to put it politely - of submitting to article directories articles that hadn't first been published on their own sites, as explained here: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post6152725 ).

No. It has nothing to do with the health and wellbeing of article marketing (which is thriving more than ever, by the way). It means only that "article directory marketing" is obsolete, but that's been history for about 3 years, now - it's hardly news.

The fact that sites like Ezine Articles have lost much of their traffic and rankings is a good thing for article marketers, not a bad thing. It makes it easier to use them for their intended purpose without any complications or adverse consequences.

Ronak, I think you're fundamentally misunderstanding what article directories are for, and their role in article marketing.

This post will help you: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5068872

No article marketer wants to get potential customer traffic coming from an article directory to his/her own site: we all lose most of that traffic and it would be directly counterproductive. That isn't what article directories are for at all (and it never has been): explained here.

I had this same question. The reason I had this question of the OP is because I have 2 squeeze pages: 1 in the forex niche and 1 in the IM niche.

I am looking at ways to drive traffic to my sites. I'll PM you the links. I'm afraid of the big G because of the recent penguin update.

I'll be having a blog on my squeeze pages which will have opt-in forms within posts as well with unique content not published anywhere. The content will be re-written from PLR articles which are pretty decent and neat. I am still not sure if article directory marketing is going to work to drive traffic to my sites Alexa. Anyone knows if this works?

I plan to buy 50 articles in each niche from writers at cheap prices and they come with spun syntax from iwriter. My job gets easier. I don't know if what I am doing is the best thing. Can you comment?

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DOMINO214

14 years ago

@ Ronak
I am of the opinion that if you buy cheap articles then you will get what you pay for. It is far better to seek out a quality content writer and invest in some top quality content. Churning out 50 articles of spun content could leave you with a lot of garbage that just does not make sense.

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PleaseBelieve 14 years ago

Perhaps spend $ on quality article re-writing software or spend a researched fiverr to get copy re-writes then submit to article directories with your landing page as the authoritative author of the content. Any decent backlink you may receive is just icing on the cake, imo.

Plus, you will likely be adding rank to you own in that manner. There are even decent free article re-writers with duplicate content filters, out there. Better, yet take some time to re-vamp the articles, write, and/or pay for new relevant content: all pointing back to the desired authoritative source. It is all according to how much time you want to spend on each task and what you are willing to pay.

My take, in sum: Get excellent content. Re-write articles per demographic/psychographic and/or niche based on targeted keyword analysis.

Run through copy/article Checker. Then Submit to desired directories linking back to you main site with the original copy/content; with approx: 4-10% keyword density and of course no 'stuffing' or 'whiting'. Breaking up the, now, 'authoritative content' links on your main domain and eventually into: a blog or sub directories, landing pages, video/media/news internal pages; may be good too.

Get back links from: (blogs, your own blog on a separate domain/isp forums, tumblr, twitter, profiles, signatures, online groups, pinterest, G+, YouTube, flickr, micro-blogs, web directories, and other social media platforms)

--With every area in moderation. I think the current algorithms like diversity, respect quality work, and want to penalize hardcore spammers, copy and past-ers, hack jobs, and rip-offs. (at-least that is my hope and current outlook -- subject to change with search engine industry)

This is my view currently. Always looking for addtional methods, platforms, and test theories to learn more. The above practices have produce quality results currently on the campaigns in the area of legal, insurance, medial, tech gadgets, media companies, telecom, graphics design, seo, web services, industrial, artist promotion,..ect. Progressively testing; as I am still in the working phases of article submission; post panda and penguin.

"Penguin has been primarily focused on discouraging what the industry calls link spam," Navneet Virk, director of optimization at Roundarch Isobar, said. "In Google's algorithm, the links were placed with a very high value. In essence, the idea was if a lot of people were linking to a particular site or webpage, then it was considered to be a high-quality page and that impacted the ranking of that page in Google and other search engines."
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pathannishat

13 years ago

According to Google Update, if we are submitted same article on multiple directories, it will be counted as duplicate content?? if we do this type of work, ultimately we are publishing same article on multiple directories and sharing duplicate contents.
we would like to ask someone is it right??

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Joseph Robinson

Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by pathannishat

According to Google Update, if we are submitted same article on multiple directories, it will be counted as duplicate content?? if we do this type of work, ultimately we are publishing same article on multiple directories and sharing duplicate contents.
we would like to ask someone is it right??

You know, we need to close this Pandora's box already lol. It's not duplicate content. It's syndicated content. Now yes, Google is going to take steps to ensure that only one copy of that syndicated content is shown. My personal experience has shown that it will be your own copy published first on your site (you have the initial indexation rights). From time to time a bigger, more valued site will show in the results, and sometimes Google drops the ball and shows more than one copy. It's situational.

You're not going to get a site penalty for it though, unless you're repeatedly repeating content across your own domain.

And yes, I'm aware of the thread's age lol.

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