Is IM a hobby/part time or a Real Business to you?

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Hey warriors,

I just wanted to get a feeler out there on how many actually treat IM as a real business as opposed to working it on the side, with very little focus, a hobby (that MAY make money)?

How successful is your current online business?

If your anything like me then you would be treating as real business as such it requires investment to build it up quickly and calculated risks, not just sitting on the fence on an idea. Putting it into action and if its not working you know you tested it and quickly change direction until you make it work.
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  • Profile picture of the author cashp0wer
    I do this full-time and it is a real business to me. When I first started I didn't know where it was going to go and treated it more like a hobby. It soon became very real to me.
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    • Profile picture of the author Peter Hansen
      I do this full time and i consider this as a normal business.

      Let me know if I can help you Warrior to Warrior.

      Good luck
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    • Profile picture of the author socialmassmedia
      Originally Posted by cashp0wer View Post

      I do this full-time and it is a real business to me. When I first started I didn't know where it was going to go and treated it more like a hobby. It soon became very real to me.
      Thats great to hear, once you made that shift did you notice the difference in your business? Hows things going for you now?
      Hamed
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      • Profile picture of the author dfs_dean
        I think the OP limits the options too much.

        IM can be a very real business yet still be worked on the side. Just because something is a part time activity, it isn't strictly a hobby nor is it automatically something less than a real business.

        At the same time, just because you go at something full time, it isn't necessarily a real business.

        It's all a matter of attitude and your approach. So the options might should be:

        For you, is IM

        1. A full time endeavor that you treat as a serious business?

        2. A full time endeavor that you really treat more as a hobby than a business?

        3. A part time activity that you treat as a serious business?

        4. A part time activity that is pretty much along the lines of a hobby, albeit a hobby that may generate some income?

        socialmassmedia - thank you for bringing this up because it really is a good question for all of us. We need to make an honest assessment of where we stand so we can have an honest idea of what to expect. We might try to fool ourselves into thinking we approach IM as a business. But if the reality is that we treat it more along the lines of a hobby, then we can't expect to generate "real business results." So, being honest with ourselves, we shouldn't be disappointed when we don't achieve real business results.

        Does that make sense?

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        • Profile picture of the author socialmassmedia
          Originally Posted by dfs_dean View Post

          I think the OP limits the options too much.

          IM can be a very real business yet still be worked on the side. Just because something is a part time activity, it isn't strictly a hobby nor is it automatically something less than a real business.

          At the same time, just because you go at something full time, it isn't necessarily a real business.

          It's all a matter of attitude and your approach. So the options might should be:

          For you, is IM

          1. A full time endeavor that you treat as a serious business?

          2. A full time endeavor that you really treat more as a hobby than a business?

          3. A part time activity that you treat as a serious business?

          4. A part time activity that is pretty much along the lines of a hobby, albeit a hobby that may generate some income?

          socialmassmedia - thank you for bringing this up because it really is a good question for all of us. We need to make an honest assessment of where we stand so we can have an honest idea of what to expect. We might try to fool ourselves into thinking we approach IM as a business. But if the reality is that we treat it more along the lines of a hobby, then we can't expect to generate "real business results." So, being honest with ourselves, we shouldn't be disappointed when we don't achieve real business results.

          Does that make sense?

          Peace
          Thank you for expanding on that. It all comes down to attitude, motivation and own goals and desires.
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          • Profile picture of the author Nightengale
            Excellent question!

            As others mentioned, you can work your IM business part-time and still treat is as a BUSINESS.

            Your question touches on one of the fundamental problems of so many Warriors here: they're NOT treating it as a BUSINESS. They're treating it instead as a part-time, "I'll TRY this and see if it works" HOBBY.

            And that's a big reason for so much of the frustration and lack of results around here.

            IM isn't hard per se, but there IS a steep learning curve. Granted, everyone is on their own journey and learns at their own pace.

            But to be successful in anything, you must be COMMITTED. And if you're going to commit to a business, you have to be willing to put in the time and effort -- and yes, money! -- to make it work.

            I see such a poverty mentality around here. "I can't afford it." "How can I start a business with no money?" Too many aren't willing to invest in their business. And then they wonder why it's not working.

            However, like a lot of people here, I have a full-time day job and work on my business part-time. That's just reality for me. But I AM treating it like a business, not a hobby.

            I think you can build a successful business by working on it part-time, as long as you treat it like a business.

            When you look at it like a BUSINESS -- and treat it like a business -- you do things differently:

            1. You get serious and focused.

            Don't jump from tactic to tactic. Pick a business model, a niche and a target market and then stick with it.

            2. You invest in learning what you need to know.

            No one truly is a "self-made man (or woman)". Successful people invest in their own success by buying the courses they need, going to workshops/conferences and hiring mentors/coaches. No, you don't need to do all of these things. Your skill set, personality, strengths, resources and business will all determine what you need.

            But it's doubtful you don't need anything.

            Too many around here think that Google can give you all of the answers. Yes, there's tons of great information online. But it's like a giant box of jumbled puzzle pieces. The pieces are NOT laid out for you in a step-by-step plan.

            That's why I recommend everyone buy at least one good comprehensive course on online marketing. It will save you a LOT of time, money and frustration.

            3. You work at it consistently.

            Of course, it helps to have clarity in what we're doing. It's hard to be consistent and have the perseverance necessary to succeed if we're not focused and clear about what business we're really in and the steps we need to take.

            Too much attention is paid to how to get to the top of Google or the latest, hottest piece of whizbang software.

            Trouble is, those are just TACTICS, not an overall business plan. And Google is fickle. True, Google is extremely important to all of us and we need to rank as high in the search engines as possible.

            But there are other ways besides Google to get traffic and customers. Joint ventures is one. Positive media attention (not just online press releases) is another. Speaking to groups of your target customers is another. Etc.

            I want to rank as high as possible in Google, but my real goal is to become as independent of Google as possible. I want their algorithm changes to be nothing more than a blip on the radar of my business.

            If your entire business can be wiped out with one Google algorithm change, then that's not very smart business.

            First, pick a niche, a target market and a business model. (Not enough attention is paid to choosing the right business model. Most people don't even know what their business model is.)

            Then start marketing! Selling products or services online happens in the same basic way for everyone, no matter what they're selling:

            Traffic > Opt-in page > Autoresponder series (or e-zine) > Sales page

            Focus on building your list and building a relationship with them.

            Just doing this will give you a LOT of clarity and specific steps to take every day which is a HUGE leap forward in the direction you want to go.

            Hope that helps!

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            • Profile picture of the author stanar
              Thank you for your sound advice. From airplane model to business model, I guess there's no end in learning and growing. I really appreciate your perspective.

              Stan R.
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              • Profile picture of the author socialmassmedia
                Originally Posted by stanar View Post

                Thank you for your sound advice. From airplane model to business model, I guess there's no end in learning and growing. I really appreciate your perspective.

                Stan R.
                Your welcome Stan. Internet marketing is always evolving and so there's a need to keep learning, testing things out and making yourself stand out.

                Let me know if I can help :-)

                Hamed
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                • Profile picture of the author jeskola
                  It was once a hobby but very quickly i realised that with some perseverance i could remove the shackles of the rat race.

                  After around a year when i saw i could consistently double or triple what my day job was making me whilst i slept - i mean, i had already made my days wage before i got up! - i realised that i had to pursue this.

                  Regardless if you are offline or online - if you offer a service or a product in exchange for money you have a business. You don't nurture it and give it your full attention it will die.
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  • Profile picture of the author talfighel
    Even if you treat it like a real business, you can still fail online.

    Your ads might not work. Your PPC advertising may suck the "credit card funds" out of you.

    You still need to find what works for you and then just do more of it.

    Just because you are investing your time and money, if you are not taking the right actions, failure will still appear on your door step.
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    • Profile picture of the author Peter Hansen
      Originally Posted by talfighel View Post

      Even if you treat it like a real business, you can still fail online.

      Your ads might not work. Your PPC advertising may suck the "credit card funds" out of you.

      You still need to find what works for you and then just do more of it.

      Just because you are investing your time and money, if you are not taking the right actions, failure will still appear on your door step.
      You are definitely right about that.

      But I stopped pulling my hair out.

      Problems will always be solved.

      Let me know if I can help you Warrior to Warrior.

      Good luck
      Peter
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      • Profile picture of the author fin
        Mine is a hobby and a business.

        Can it be both?

        I have to do a lot of things offline and it's my hobby. It's just lucky I can use them in my business model.
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  • Profile picture of the author Glenda from OZ
    If you treat it like a hobby it will pay like a hobby.....is what I read somewhere quite a while back. This is no doubt absolutely true. The difficulty is though that when you work full time its hard to provide the time you need to it. I know this is a common problem. It makes having a real plan and a direction a total priority. So far I haven't been able to quit my day job for IM. But I know the day is coming.
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  • Profile picture of the author phinneus
    I spend a lot of time on the pc doing this stuff.......but I guess in order to be sucessful I need to interact on this forum. I finally started making decent money doing this and it had taken me about a year to find something that works.
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  • Profile picture of the author Seatbelt99
    I have done it as a hobby for about 3 years. October 2011 I decided to focus on it more and treat it like a legit business. I've since gone from making about $100-300 per month to making $400-700 per week.

    I'm nowhere near my goal of doing this full time earning at least $100,000 per year but I'm a lot closer than I was.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ian Jackson
      It started out as a hobby, but my mind set became entrepeneurial, and I realized that for me at least, I had to do it a a business; albeit a part time one. The "problem" with IM is that I found it's difficult to drop. The optimist in me won't quit.

      I still have my day job (which funds online activities), so consider myself as having a "day job" and an "evening business" ...and a very understanding and supportive Wife!
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  • Profile picture of the author BetaMaster
    I'm planning to make this my real business. I got more money than work offline.
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  • Profile picture of the author copilu0
    IM is a real business but you need to learn your way step by step because if you want instant results and you don't do your homeworks well then you can end up very disappointed
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      it is a secondary income for me and will turn into a full time biz soon. watch this space.
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    • Profile picture of the author Shadowflux
      I treat it as a serious full time business. Every morning I wake up, grab some coffee and get to work. I usually work until about 5 at which point I spend time with my wife.

      I really enjoy what I do. I love marketing, I feel like it's the perfect outlet for my abilities and interests. I didn't know where it would go when I first started, I just knew I wanted to make money and I was sick of working boring, pointless and aggravating jobs.

      I've made money basically since I started up to this day with revenue increasing on a regular basis. I make money doing something I enjoy, according to my own schedule, for people who value and appreciate what I do. It's a job, there can be a lot of work involved at times, but it's the best job I've ever had.
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  • Profile picture of the author WebPen
    Part time business now- hopefully full-time in the near future.
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  • Profile picture of the author fenixpro
    That was one of the gradual understandings that helped me to push my IM endeavors from the realm of dabbling and hobby to a full time business. That it is a business!

    I think people - especially those beginning and just looking to "make money online" have no idea what they are getting into and there is a learning curve that can (and should) occur where you not only learn the terms and methods or at least the possibilities, but also, that this is basically a business - not tremendously different than having an offline business - in terms of responsibility, organization, and mindset
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  • Profile picture of the author GaryHigham
    Its something the more I do and expose myself to the more I realise I love doing it. A hobby for me is something I do to switch off and clear my head. IM is something which once I have a thought or an idea or even a to do list, it becomes, even though I enjoy it, more than just a hobby.
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  • Profile picture of the author makingiants
    Treat it as a hobby first, learn all you can.
    Plenty of room for trial and error, then go
    full-time when the money becomes consistent
    and big enough to totally replace your regular
    income.
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  • Profile picture of the author cybernetuk
    For me its a serious business, but not full-time as I currently have other things I'm involved in. However, I still take it very seriously.
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  • Profile picture of the author RedShifted
    Definitely just a hobby, I know where my real skills lie and its not internet marketing but sound engineering.

    I'm not talented like Sean Tyas or Andy Blueman, but I can make a fairly engaging dance track when I need to.

    Or background music, orchestral music like Hans Zimmer, rock, pop, I just love sounds and the emotions they produce. It was what my thesis and college was about was music therapy. Plus most the money I make now is in sales anyway so I don't really feel like I need to become a master at marketing anyway. Definitely love marketing too, but you got to stay somewhat true to what you're experienced at.

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  • Profile picture of the author MMWoodward
    I currently use IM as a full-time business. I first did it as a hobby alongside of traditional jobs for awhile. However, since last July, I have been using it as my only source of income. Although I am dedicating time and effort to it, I am still only just getting by, for the most part. I hope that with continuous efforts, I will get to the point where I can be completely comfortable with using IM as my only source of income.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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    I treat my business as a real business. I treat the internet as a place to market that business. The mindset should really be as simple as that.
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  • Profile picture of the author nonin
    I'm making 500-1000$ a month and still that it is just full time hobby :/

    +1 about investing your money - IM is impossible without outsourcing
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    • Profile picture of the author socialmassmedia
      Originally Posted by nonin View Post

      I'm making 500-1000$ a month and still that it is just full time hobby :/

      +1 about investing your money - IM is impossible without outsourcing
      That's what I love about IM you can automate a lot of the process, outsource most of the work. You work on creating as many passive income systems as possible so that if you were to go on holiday for 3 months the money will still be rolling in to your bank account. If one systems slows down or fails you have mnay other to fall back on. Now put this into context with a job you have been for many years with a comfortable salary and all of a sudden you get laid off...now no job, no income in a moments notice.

      I know where I would like to be in, how about you?
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  • Profile picture of the author eman1
    When I first started it was something that I did on a strictly part-time basis. As my knowledge and and experience expanded it gradually became a full-time activity.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jubu
    This is full time for me. When I first started it was a hobby, but then I got laid off because of the hobby, so then it became full time and I haven't looked back since.
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  • Profile picture of the author taskemann
    Short answer from me; It's a passion
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  • Profile picture of the author Marcus Rockey
    Thanks for the thread.

    Well my IM business is full time but as I enjoy it so much I can't really call it work.

    The early months were extremely challenging both mentally and emotionally however once I started making a financial breakthrough the flood gates opened.

    Business is good and I have found that a systematic approach to my online activities is the key to success.

    WF has also been a great help though I regret only reading threads rather than composing my own.

    All round it's pretty darn good.

    Thanks

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  • Profile picture of the author Tadresources
    At this point it's a business, but I think most people start out looking at it as more of a hobby and then it evolves.
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  • Profile picture of the author Angel Warrior
    Ofcourse its real and a full time job for me. I won't waste money if its not.
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  • Profile picture of the author youngmoneystars
    its a hobby becuase all my business that i enjoy are not work, instead are hobbies
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    • Profile picture of the author socialmassmedia
      Originally Posted by youngmoneystars View Post

      its a hobby becuase all my business that i enjoy are not work, instead are hobbies
      Thats true if your enjoying what you are doing then its not work however those who are really serious about replacing their jobs or other forms of income with solely an IM business need to treat it as such. Im talking minimum 5 figures per month profit not gross sales or revenue.

      Yes there are some people out there who have a very systematic approach and invest and outsource to create these figures every month and still do other things they love be it their current career, favourite pastimes etc but these people are few and far between. Once you know what you want and what your good at you can pretty much outsource a lot of the process which saves you time to think about how to grow your business further, marketing, other business models etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author kolled
    This is a full time business for me. When I started, I had no plan to stick with it but that changed later on.

    Running a business online is fun, especially when there is some success to show for it. With the kind of lifestyle IM gives me, I see myself doing this for a very loong time.
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  • Profile picture of the author funkynassau
    To us it is a real business and it's part time. We make money with a real product that does work and our biz is growing slow and steady. Just because it's part time that doesnt mean it's not real! It would not sustain us for long if it was the only income we had, but hopefully one day it will.
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  • Profile picture of the author Serge11
    For me it's a hobby now as I'm learning about IM as I switched from drop shipping which I did for many years. I'm taking it slow to absorb everything I can. I have a great full time job which helps funds my IM activities. I have learn a great deal from the WP Forum.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mattds
    I work part of the time building websites for other people and the rest of my time is spent building websites for myself, affiliate marketing etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author devogolf
    I put about the same hours into my IM business as my full time J.O.B.

    I will keep putting those hours in until I can give up the J.O.B.

    The main thing is to make those hours count and spend them on constructive action taking tasks that move the business forward.

    just think how much spare time i will have soon when I give the J.O.B. away...!!!
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    • Profile picture of the author slayer0x59
      Most people started Im as a hobby and now majority of the people in IM treat this as a steady stream of revenue and even their own real business.
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    • Profile picture of the author socialmassmedia
      Originally Posted by devogolf View Post

      I put about the same hours into my IM business as my full time J.O.B.

      I will keep putting those hours in until I can give up the J.O.B.

      The main thing is to make those hours count and spend them on constructive action taking tasks that move the business forward.

      just think how much spare time i will have soon when I give the J.O.B. away...!!!
      Now thats a true hustler! Keep going man! Do what you love around your day job until the time investment and money pays you enough to quit your job and following your passion.

      I say dont quit your day job work 9-5 then when you get home kiss the wife and kids if you have any and get to work! Hustle, hustle hard you'll make it.
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  • Profile picture of the author SanyYahaya
    IM is currently my hobby and interest. Moving forward, i definitely want to be full time in it. Just cant see myself doing the same old day job for the next 10 years to come.
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  • Profile picture of the author blackbarbie
    full time business for me
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  • Profile picture of the author blaugrana
    this time, im for me is part time job because i go to college. next 2-3 years, it will be my full time job
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  • Profile picture of the author celente
    When I realised I could earn more than my crappy 9 to 5'er then I was 1) in awe and 2) ready to flip the birdie to the boss.

    I actually did go in and tell my boss what I thought of her, but that day was when my hobby finally become my fulltime passion and real business.
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    • Profile picture of the author semmyw
      I do this full time and treat as a real business.
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    • Profile picture of the author tantivy
      I treat this as a real business. Since I am just a newbie and knows that it will take time for me to really go full-time with this, I hop from doing freelancing on the side so I can put the right investment in IM.

      For me, there is no turning back with this venture.... I am ready to wait until this works out for me. But while waiting for my plans to materialize, I still have to do some work.
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      • Profile picture of the author socialmassmedia
        Originally Posted by tantivy View Post

        I treat this as a real business. Since I am just a newbie and knows that it will take time for me to really go full-time with this, I hop from doing freelancing on the side so I can put the right investment in IM.

        For me, there is no turning back with this venture.... I am ready to wait until this works out for me. But while waiting for my plans to materialize, I still have to do some work.
        Hi Definitely freelancing will give you the cash injection you could use to inject into creating your own products to resell. Work on creating your own product be that in form of ebook, video training, audios, interviews etc Its shocking how you can quickly you can create your own info products if you know how to use resources around you effectively. If you don't have time but have the money you could outsource most of it but I create the actual content in my products myself the rest is outsourced. If you have more or alot of time on your hands then you can do it yourself or learn certain parts. Start off by creating simple short reports on what you know a lot about or your passion. Then move onto more advanced forms of product creation as you start earning more.
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    • Profile picture of the author gnuga2007
      I leave my real jobs on the end of January 2012 so I guess now it's a full time job for me now.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Roncone
      For me, it is a real business that I just so happen to currently do on the side. In fact, I stay 3.5 hours at the office (of my "real" job) just to have a set space to work without distractions. Last week I drafted an official business plan as well as a strategy/timeline for how to get it done.

      I have forecasts for exactly how much money I am going to need to spend and when in order for it to get off the ground, and I have a very strict schedule for the things that I need to get done.

      So, as I said, it is a very real business to me, although I know of many people that have been rather successful (depending on your definition) that just treat it as a hobby.

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  • Profile picture of the author khaiez
    for me,more like a part time job.but I'm consider it as a serious job.no matter how lazy I am that day,this passionate type thing will actually move you up
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  • IM really has always gotten my gears spinning since I was a teenager. I'd say it's a hobby, I spend more time finding new ways to make some extra money than anything else really. As I type, I'm alt-tabbed out of World of Warcraft, the only thing more addicting than WoW, is cash
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    • Profile picture of the author socialmassmedia
      Originally Posted by Dragonfire Wealth View Post

      IM really has always gotten my gears spinning since I was a teenager. I'd say it's a hobby, I spend more time finding new ways to make some extra money than anything else really. As I type, I'm alt-tabbed out of World of Warcraft, the only thing more addicting than WoW, is cash
      Lol WOW it certainly is, judging from a few friends who play it. Never have time to play games these days. Cool so it more of life style for you?
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  • Profile picture of the author AdwordsMogul
    I don't know about you but...

    For me IM is not a hobby.

    It is NOT a real business either.

    IM is just one of many ways to reach clients/customers/partners. Nothing more, nothing less.
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  • Profile picture of the author AdwordsMogul
    I don't know about you but...

    For me IM is not a hobby.

    It is NOT a real business either.

    IM is just one of many ways to reach clients/customers/partners. Nothing more, nothing less.
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  • Profile picture of the author luane
    It is full-time for me. I am a former schoolteacher and the school system where I live is heart-breaking. No discipline measures leave it hard to make a learning environment. I got fed up (even though I love the children) and looked for work online about 4 years ago. I found new software, the internet and the idea of working from your laptop anywhere in the world quite intriguing. I never tire of learning new things, but is focusing on only a couple of things that have brought me the most success. When you realize the IM is like a candy shop for all of us, you learn only to eat a couple of types of candy at a time .

    Kristie from Georgia

    P.S. Considering I like to write, I found writing short Kindle books a easy residual income as well. It really does work well if you have something to say of value. Just a note....for those who wonder about Kindle.
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    • Profile picture of the author socialmassmedia
      Originally Posted by luane View Post

      It is full-time for me. I am a former schoolteacher and the school system where I live is heart-breaking. No discipline measures leave it hard to make a learning environment. I got fed up (even though I love the children) and looked for work online about 4 years ago. I found new software, the internet and the idea of working from your laptop anywhere in the world quite intriguing. I never tire of learning new things, but is focusing on only a couple of things that have brought me the most success. When you realize the IM is like a candy shop for all of us, you learn only to eat a couple of types of candy at a time .

      Kristie from Georgia

      P.S. Considering I like to write, I found writing short Kindle books a easy residual income as well. It really does work well if you have something to say of value. Just a note....for those who wonder about Kindle.
      Thats great to hear Im exploring Kindle. I have 2 ebooks on there and looking to add 1 every week. Its an automated passive income earner. I love this type of system. Create the info product once and earn from it for long time to come on autopilot :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author ceenote100
    I would say both because I actually love IM but I do treat it more as a real business. Once you start making money with your website(s) then you get a rush to make a whole lot more and it's fun too.
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  • Profile picture of the author viewsonic32
    I do it part time,Will do it fulltime after my studies are finished.
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  • Profile picture of the author JenMorgan
    you can earn small amount of money on a part time, but if you are looking for the big bucks it's like any other business
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  • Profile picture of the author Charlotte Jay
    Work it like a business=Business Results

    Simple formula.

    I'm not at that point right now, as I have a very young family to take care of, but once my youngest is in school full time in 2 years, you can bet your bottom I'm going full time. I have no intentions of becoming a corporate slave ever again.
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    • Profile picture of the author socialmassmedia
      Originally Posted by Charlotte Jay View Post

      Work it like a business=Business Results

      Simple formula.

      I'm not at that point right now, as I have a very young family to take care of, but once my youngest is in school full time in 2 years, you can bet your bottom I'm going full time. I have no intentions of becoming a corporate slave ever again.
      True and it is that simple. People complicate it. I'm soon to be a father for first time Charlotte I just can't wait :-D
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  • Profile picture of the author equanto
    If you're like most new Internet marketers, you started your online efforts without giving one thought to building the foundation for your business. You may have blindly selected products and programs to promote and spent many months trying every promotional method you can find in an attempt to generate sales. It's not working like you'd like it to, is it? It won't until you back up and build the foundation.
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    • Profile picture of the author socialmassmedia
      Originally Posted by equanto View Post

      If you're like most new Internet marketers, you started your online efforts without giving one thought to building the foundation for your business. You may have blindly selected products and programs to promote and spent many months trying every promotional method you can find in an attempt to generate sales. It's not working like you'd like it to, is it? It won't until you back up and build the foundation.
      True, Promote things you have researched properly meaning that there's a very good demand or strong desire for it. First stop is always research get that done right then move onto looking at offers which will be good for your target audience. Once you have found good offers to promote validate that's its selling well already or in hot market full of hungry buyers. If its CPA for instant I would create a unique landing page for that offer and then include and optin to capture leads to follow up. Traffic would be driven from facebook and You tube both free methods. If I want faster results I can use paid media like PPC but there will be quite some testing and tweaking involved to find winning converting campaign.

      Hope that helps people out.
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  • Profile picture of the author nicolas simpson
    its really a bit of both to me.
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  • Profile picture of the author payperman1000
    Well my wife used to call it my extracurricular activities a year ago, but now she wants to make sure I get online everyday. So now it's a full-time business, even if I only work 5-6 hrs/week. I guess you just have to find something that makes you money and connections and IM will bring in better than full-time income part-time.
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  • Profile picture of the author tantivy
    IM is real business for me. Though I still have to do it part-time while waiting for steady revenue.
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  • Profile picture of the author Irwin Dominguez
    IM is my passion and will soon be my full-time career.
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  • Profile picture of the author gavindvsaeylr
    I'm learning about IM as I switched from drop shipping which I did for many years. I'm taking it slow to absorb everything I can
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  • Profile picture of the author JerrickYeoh
    I as fulltime IM and I'm sure it enough for me to survive and expenses so far.

    If you are a starter , you might not a good idea to be full time because full time might just stop your finance resource at 1st . You only o with full time when you see something positive which you need more time to done it and it able to return you with big bulk.
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  • Profile picture of the author romanos8
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    Originally Posted by socialmassmedia View Post

    Hey warriors,

    I just wanted to get a feeler out there on how many actually treat IM as a real business as opposed to working it on the side, with very little focus, a hobby (that MAY make money)?

    How successful is your current online business?

    If your anything like me then you would be treating as real business as such it requires investment to build it up quickly and calculated risks, not just sitting on the fence on an idea. Putting it into action and if its not working you know you tested it and quickly change direction until you make it work.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lorraina
    This is for sure a full time business for me and there is definitely a difference in the way I run my business as opposed to participating in my hobbies. We have had an offline business for many years and my internet marketing business entails many of the same day to day principles to be successful.

    I really like having this forum though for the support and networking it provides. I didn't have that in the offline world. I really enjoy working with other warriors.

    Have a profitable day everyone!
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  • Profile picture of the author Jefff66
    I started affiliate marketing in 1999 as a hobby - to earn a little to help pay for the hosting of a website.

    After a while I thought it could be something I could make a full time income from - and something that could take me away from my boring 9-5 office job.

    In 2001 I decided to go full time, and I've been earning my living from the internet ever since.

    2003 and 2004 were my best years, I earned far more then than I had before or since - despite working only a couple of hours a day. In hindsight I wish I'd worked harder and taken advantage of the easy money - but at the time I was enjoying the lifestyle.

    It's a lot harder to earn money online now, in my opinion.
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  • Profile picture of the author jdkesler
    It's a part time business. It was always intended to earn some extra money so I wouldn't have to work so much overtime.
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  • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
    As much as I hate to admit it, it's still mostly a hobby for me. My monthly earnings dictate that I should be more serious about things but I'm not ready to quit my day job. A wife and 5 kids means I need to play things safe.
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    • Profile picture of the author socialmassmedia
      Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

      As much as I hate to admit it, it's still mostly a hobby for me. My monthly earnings dictate that I should be more serious about things but I'm not ready to quit my day job. A wife and 5 kids means I need to play things safe.
      Thats understandable and 5 kids wow your blessed man. Im having my first in 3 months time. Since you are busy with your day job are you outsourcing the design and repetitive parts of your business? This will help scale your business while still having your day job. Keep taking lots of action on what your learning and don't put things off.
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      • Profile picture of the author Birdi
        through my own experience, i started off as a part time ting, just spent time trying to figure out this whole online business, make money while you sleep stuff. Always wondered at the early stages how it's done.

        Fast forward for today ..... i can say i treat it like a business, and look at it like a business.

        birdi
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  • Profile picture of the author michaeljcheney
    Started out as a hobby to try and escape 9 to 5 but then saw potential, quit my day job many years ago and have not looked back since.

    This thing can be as big as you want it to be and is only limited by your potential to grow yourself and imagine more.
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    • Profile picture of the author socialmassmedia
      Originally Posted by michaeljcheney View Post

      Started out as a hobby to try and escape 9 to 5 but then saw potential, quit my day job many years ago and have not looked back since.

      This thing can be as big as you want it to be and is only limited by your potential to grow yourself and imagine more.
      Hi Michael, Ive seen some of your launches on CB, you must be doing very well for youself ;-) I will be following in your footsteps and quitting my day job next month.

      BTW im launching a new product as WSO called FB Viral Profits, check it out and win some cash prizes if your interested - JV Page for FB Viral Profits

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  • Profile picture of the author LinkContractor
    Originally Posted by socialmassmedia View Post

    Hey warriors,

    I just wanted to get a feeler out there on how many actually treat IM as a real business as opposed to working it on the side, with very little focus, a hobby (that MAY make money)?

    How successful is your current online business?

    If your anything like me then you would be treating as real business as such it requires investment to build it up quickly and calculated risks, not just sitting on the fence on an idea. Putting it into action and if its not working you know you tested it and quickly change direction until you make it work.
    Tough question. I think we human beings are made to socialize face to face, in real life but pfft, technology is technology.

    To answer your question, the online business goes well, IM is at the moment full-time but eventually (after having multiple baskets and a relatively auto-pilot business) I'll treat IM as a part-time hobby.
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    • Profile picture of the author matt78
      I started IM as part time and I'm doing it full time now. I won't says its a hobby, but I'm really passionate about my IM career and I treat it like a real business.
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  • Profile picture of the author ivanadee
    I used to make it 50-50 with my offline work but for the long term, it will have more percentages. Still, I treat IM as one of important business portfolio
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  • Profile picture of the author OnlineMkter
    Most probably, first its a hobby and then when things get better, it becomes a business, at least according to me.
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  • Profile picture of the author karlmay1980
    I have done it full time for 4 years, and I think it can be anyone of what you mentioned if that's what you want it to be.

    The only thing I would say is those mostly trying to just earn a few quid in their spare time generally don't make anything and those that do just jump in and go full tilt at it will more than likely see the success!
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  • Profile picture of the author hyonglin
    It is a challenge to me and part of a self-discovery process.
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  • Profile picture of the author thedrooling
    Definitely a hobby for me. Hopefully one day it can be a job.
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  • Profile picture of the author KC-Coop
    I have several businesses in the internet marketing industry, so it's definitely a full time income and much more for me. However I'm an Entrepreneur at heart so I'm always building new companies (IM based or not) and I have my hands on a lot of projects at any one time.

    Luckily for me I have a great team of employees behind me so that I can continue to build new revenue streams.
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    • Profile picture of the author socialmassmedia
      Originally Posted by KC-Coop View Post

      I have several businesses in the internet marketing industry, so it's definitely a full time income and much more for me. However I'm an Entrepreneur at heart so I'm always building new companies (IM based or not) and I have my hands on a lot of projects at any one time.

      Luckily for me I have a great team of employees behind me so that I can continue to build new revenue streams.
      Smart by having a team or outsource team you can scale, work on multiple projects.

      IM to me is what you make it and only limited by your own belief and thoughts. Having said that so many have not made their first dollar online. That could be for many reasons, info overload, shiny syndrome disorder, procrastination, not taking action, following the mmo push button guru's selling the dream and making main income from that and I can list many others. Do you fall into any of the above or another? How can I help?
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  • Profile picture of the author getrichinfo
    i treat it as a hobby for now! once i turned 22 this is going to be a full-time business for me!
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  • Profile picture of the author Arief Ramadhan
    I think IM is just like other business out there. You need to put full attention to build it and also you need to learn to get higher result. I do IM as my part time job since I'm a student right now and as soon as I graduate I will start do IM as my full time job.
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  • Profile picture of the author gary lee
    Here at work it is most definately work in which we all get paychecks, however, it is just one department here and part of the big picture. Our department handles SEO, traffic, social, advertising, and IM. Some of these categories may overlap with each other but we are all here in the same office.
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  • Profile picture of the author Online Helper
    IM is my part-time currently but definitely I am taking this business very seriously. IM is my Plan-B in my career and I strive to convert this into my full time job. I want to be my own boss, earning long term residual income and retire earlier
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  • Profile picture of the author minisitetycoon
    I came back into internet marketing again, as a hobby and I am almost finished creating and designing 2 programs already that could bring in serious money. So I would say it is both. It's my favorite hobby and I am putting on the steam to make it a full time job as well. Right now I am just making my money online.
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  • Profile picture of the author TimeTravelAgent
    Hobby for me. I'm getting started anyways. I don't think I could make it my full-time priority.
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  • Profile picture of the author therichb
    Making IM your full time business stream can be sometime a failure. I do it more than PT as learning takes time & applying core marketing principles on your niche cannot provide ultimate results always.

    I have seen many fellows who are performing well enough within marketing perspective. So do I follow them relatively, making my knowledge go utilized in real time.
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  • Profile picture of the author tremayne
    For me it is full time, 14 to 16 hour days, seven days a week. It is most certainly a business, one that usually keeps me away from the WF.

    I have learned a lot in eight years. My first project, a massive multimedia project I did entirely on my own, learning everything as I went along, was a major mistake. It took five years to understand we should market what people want, not what they need.

    My current business was launched three years ago and progress has been made in good part as a result of excellent advice from more experienced people on this forum. For that I am very grateful.

    The hard work is almost over ... and I am grateful for that, too! The recipe, I think, has been absolute doggedness when things were tough, a willingness to make mistakes and to learn from them, sufficient capital to farm out jobs we are unable to excel in ourselves, and absolute faith in the goal.
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    IM is how I eat!
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  • Profile picture of the author Gerald Arno
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    The key thing is to make your hobby your business. Very few people ever get this.

    It's obvious that almost all people here claim to do it full time while very few actually have the income proof to claim it to be their full time business.

    It becomes your full time business when you change your thinking.. and changing your perception on online marketing will finally change your attitude, and a change in attitude leads to a change in action.

    Here is how you determine whether or not it is YOUR BUSINESS:

    Think about how you think about your business, how you treat it, what you do and what you don't do.

    Your best bet is to be honest to yourself and only claim things that are actually happening.
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  • Profile picture of the author eugenedm
    It depends on the person if they want IM as a hobby or treat it as a serious business however, Internet marketing is serious business that can give your serious money if you use a method that really works.

    One thing though, just like any serious business, IM requires focus, drive and your time.
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  • Profile picture of the author Trevor
    I think it's what you make it.

    When launching a new business, the start is usually the hardest part and the part you need to put the most time into what you are doing.

    As you get further, things get easier and you can outsource more and more and sooner or later you get to that point when you can outsource almost all tasks that are necessary for the business to be running properly.
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  • Profile picture of the author joefizz
    Very good question.

    For me this is full time!

    ...and because you gotta do what you love...this is my bobby too...

    Does that make sense?

    Llwyddiant!

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