Those who can - DO, Those who can't - TEACH

Just because it CAN apply doesn't mean that it DOES apply. Sure, there may be some cases of this, but you are overlooking the value of time.

Modern technology makes it very easy to record what you're doing when you're doing it, and BAM! Instant WSO. Well, there's a bit more to it than that, but the point is that it is not an either/or proposition.

To me it seems as though you don't really understand the purpose of WSOs but that's okay because a lot of people don't.

Besides, what's the difference between offering, say backlinks, on a website or a WSO? They both are a form of marketing, but the WSO can drive your target audience to your service.

All the best,
Michael

Those who can do, those who can't whinge about those that do.

Those who do both well, do both.

Around here? I only see it thrown around by people who want to hate or bash on someone/something else. I tend to roll my eyes when I see it.

I don't. Then again, we might just be following very different people.

Not true at all, for the reasons that Michael mentioned (amongst many others). Hell, look at the people here who contribute regularly and are making money. Are they not doing and teaching?

Hi TolyZ,

Even if that were the case, it doesn't mean that those who teach, can't.

There may be cases where the cap fits. But there are clearly cases where it doesn't at all.

There are many who 'do' who would prefer to teach or do both, but they're not capable. Teachers in schools may not always earn the highest income, but there are many who teach elsewhere who earn plenty - such as some entrepreneurs online.

This thread and others like it, tend to invoke this and this.

I just got that impression after reading a few threads.
Example (2threads from the same person):
1st Thread - "Let me show you how to make $1000 per day" (in the WSO section)
2nd Thread - How can I make $10 / day? (in the main section).

It just looks funny to me.

And please don't compare WSO's to marketing services. It's 2 different things. When you buy a service YOU don't have to do any work, and in most cases if you choose reputable company you'll get your money worth, where with WSO's well you know ...

I can't charge you for my services and then tell you "Oh Sorry, it's your fault not mine".

Don't let negative, toxic people rent space in your head...evict them, raise the rent and enjoy life

I have never agreed with this saying, neither in the non-IM world, nor in the IM world itself.

Sure, there are always those people who have been unsuccessful in something, yet they go out and try teaching it to others. But in general, I have found that people who teach internet marketing tips are those who have been successful themselves, and either want to give back to the community, or are charging a fair amount of money for their tricks.

The fact is that if these people were in fact people who can't, people would not constantly go back to them for tips on how to do things. You can almost always tell the difference between a genuine person and a fraud, if not on the first encounter, then definitely eventually.

Just my two cents!

If doctors didn't teach doctors to become doctors we wouldn't have any doctors.

Does that mean that every doctor who teaches another is inept and teaching crappy techniques?

I actually used to think that way for sure, and I still think there is SOME truth to it, but just not all the time. I use myself as an example. Now that I have two dropshipping sites that do large six amounts in gross sales, and do well with lead generation, I finally feel like I "have a right" so to speak, to get involved in teaching people how to make money online, seeing as I do it myself.

And so I'm just about to get started in the "IM niche", but the fact that I will begin teaching doesn't negate the fact that I am also doing.

I actually get a laugh out of this whenever it comes up. I have to assume that the people who make such statements have absolutely no idea just how lucrative teaching is...especially in the Academic world.

In Academics for example, those who "TEACH" also get research facilities, fees for speaking, publishing, grants, awards, etc., and that's in addition to base salaries, which are quite impressive in most areas in the US.

You can't make generalized statements like that - it boils down to individuals...not the industry.

I do know several people who "TEACH" and live hand to mouth because they could never make it work for themselves. They claim to have impressive earnings, which is what I have a problem with, because they're misrepresenting themselves to others.

On the other hand, I know many more people who teach to some degree who are making it and using what they teach others to profit for themselves.

People that are successful have the freedom to do what they want in life which is why they teach others. If a person is too busy running their business then they are not successful yet - they just have a time demanding job.

Not so much. Sure, those of us who do are pretty busy... and yeah, we don't put out WSO offers every week... or even hardly once a year. Its not our bread and butter.

However, many of us who DO enjoy helping people in real life every day. Some of us want to reach more and help more so we decide to publish more teaching.

On the flip side... info publishing is an attractive business and there are many who BARELY DO and then sell the heck out of teaching it.

Its pretty easy to recognize who walks the walk. Besides... one can read or watch every course in the world with little impact... its the doing that really does the teaching.

Personally, I favor the other version:


"The A students become teachers,
and the B students end up working
for the C students."

I have to second Bill Platt's view. Anyone can be negative and blame there probelms on "some dirty marketer online." I get that, it is human nature to blame others for our own mistakes or shortcomings however it is WRONG.

Some of the finest marketers in the world are here on WF and some of the biggest scroundrels. You need to admit when you are wrong, learn from your mistakes and move on. Maybe IM is not your bag.

Those who can, DO.
Those who can't, TEACH.
Those who have already done, COACH.

* Although I don't necessarily agree with the "those who can't, teach" philosophy per se, just wanted to add the clever quote, lol.

I guess this saying could also be applied to the SEO services that are littering your signature. If you were so good at SEO one might ask why you wouldn't instead use your skills to create and rank your own websites rather than spending time on ranking other people's sites you will never own?

Touche?

That quote might apply to athletics. Most coaches can no longer compete with the athletes they coach.

But, in the real world, those who teach are more competent in their field because they know it so well.

The saying persists because it has a grain of truth in it. But, only a grain of truth. Most teachers are quite competent in their fields of expertise. That is because, if you wish to learn something really well, teach it!!!

Successful troll is successful.
1/10 just because you got me to click on your "Ways to Make Money" link to verify your hypocrisy. Imagine my shock that it resolved to a site throwing a 500 error that won't load. So, is having a non-working website an "ez" way to make money?

Many people do both well, but if you want to believe that statement is true, go right ahead. What is really cool about life is that each one of us gets to choose which self-limiting beliefs we accept or reject.

Those who can, do; yet there are also many who could, if life were more fair, but are prevented from "doing" by a series of complex circumstances not necessarily their fault at all.

Those who teach aren't necessarily those who "can't"; maybe they "can" but enjoy the teaching process more than the "doing," or maybe they are simply among the ones who really know their stuff but have been prevented by circumstances beyond their control from "doing" as successfully as some others "do."

To put it another way, real life is infinitely more complex than some sarcastic slogan can ever reflect.

What about those that can do but are lousy teachers?

Thread of massive FAIL!

There is a difference between the people that formulate an idea they have never tried, and selling that theory to others who may or may not try it... and people that have systems or techniques they have tried and tested and now want to pass down and share with others.

Those are 2, entirely different groups of people selling WSOs. There are definitely many that teach, but can't do... but there are also many that can do both, very well.

I really dislike it that people join this forum with the goal of releasing a WSO because they can't make money any other way. It bothers me, and maybe it shouldn't since it is a way to make money online, I just don't feel that it's legit when someone is trying to teach something they can not do. I'm sure that's more of what the OP is referring to, and just phrased it wrong. I'll back em up on that, I feel that same way, but without the over generalization. I think we have to change our attitudes about it though... Let them do whatever, I guess.. it has nothing to do with whether I succeed or not, and getting annoyed or irritated about something so small and something that has nothing to do with us is just pointless.

If you, or 50 guests browsing this forum, are happy with teaching and not doing, and another 10 are happy with doing, and not teaching... the reality is, it has nothing to do with what I can DO.. or with what I can teach if I decided I wanted to. LOL. It's hard to not be irritated at this at times, but when we become focus on what other people do or don't do instead of our strategies and actions, that means trouble.

Ok, so here's a question...

Let's say I do not use a certain type of software. But I can pull it apart (metaphorically) and create a pdf that teaches others how to do it. Is this unethical?

And what if that software was a tool for making money?

It's a subjective argument.

Son... I'm not going to slap you around. I'm going to act like
a good mentor and recommend you go back to school and learn
something about scale and leverage.

Report back on how that new knowledge affects your thinking on the subject.

Well. I'm a teacher (facilitator perhaps, rather than teacher) and I run WSOs...............

Ha ha ha, I've lost count of newbies here who have make money online blogs.

I never understand why people make these generalisations.

I thought most people's idea of IM success was making money on autopilot to the point where you don't need to spend much time doing it yourself. Working On your business not In it.

In which case - those who are successful SHOULD have time to teach others if they want to.

Interesting point.

Well I am doing both. Running a site and writing reports and WSO's. How do I do it all?

Outsourcing.

All the tasks in my business that are not a proper use of my productive time are outsourced. This gives me the space to focus on the other activities that make me money, such as WSO's, reports etc.

My business thrives as a result of this system. It would not make any sense for me to focus solely on content, back-linking, list building etc.

It works and I recommend it to every IM.

Marcus

This a really great topic for discussion. In my opinion it's not a cut & dry situation for multiple reasons. It depends a lot on what your trying to teach, how your trying to teach and even more importantly your ability to teach and communicate effectively.

The truth is there are a lot of experts out there who have the know how but are HORRIBLE at teaching effectively.

You then have people (experienced writers, etc.) who are not experts in a topic but are experts at research and distilling and communicating valuable information.

The reality is, as long as you can clearly identify the questions that need answers for your target audience and then get answers to those questions through solid research you don't need to be the actual expert.

The problem is there is A LOT to the process if you really want to deliver value. So while I feel you really don't have to be an expert it's clearly an uphill battle until you have all the systems and processes in place with some real experience at it.

The best advice I can give to anyone who is trying to create REAL value as a non expert is to really spend time researching and understanding your audience. When it comes to creating content or your first product as a non expert, drill down to a small but key area of the topic and find a problem within a narrow sub topic to solve.

When your not an expert yourself its much easier to become an expert quickly on 1 small but important area or problem within a topic. This way you can actually deliver value.

Running a coaching programs with very little experience in what you are coaching people on is pretty shady.

And those that can't teach ... teach PE

Universities are FULL of professors who never applied what they're teaching.

Grade school teachers are the same way- most of them never applied what they learned "in the real world".

Am I saying that you should just make product after product without knowing a thing about it? No.

But product creation isn't sunshine and rainbows.
You have to either do graphics yourself or outsource it.
You have to do research.
You have to test what you're about to teach to make sure it works.
You have to create or outsource the product.
You have to create or outsource the copywriting.
You have to find affiliates, or use other traffic methods.

In other words- product creation isn't the magic, no-work bullet either. It's a lot of work, and if you're better at it then driving traffic, copywriting, or the technical side- why not do it?

Wasn't it George Bernard Shaw that formulated that pearl of wisdom?
Probably one of the more stupid things he uttered...

Lots of excellent people out there who can walk the walk as well as talk the talk, (myself included). In fact I see a number of people who have contributed to this thread whom I know are excellent at both

Kim

This is similar to people complaining "He makes more money from selling his method than from his method itself." So what?

Say you know how to make $10 in 3 days, guaranteed. Now you sell a course for $1 on how to do that. This means if the person who buys applies this only once, they will make $9 profit.

If you sell this method to a thousand people you make $1 x 1000 = $1000 from something that would normally make you $10.

That's called being smart.

For most people who love to teach, it isn't about money.

I know that sounds strange, but true...

It was humbling for me to go to school with future teachers and
saw how passionate people were about making a difference in the world.

Imagine being able to help other adults without high school education go to
college by helping them pass GED, wouldn't this make you feel great?

In fact, we always talked about how nobody goes into teaching for money.
If we were, we were in the wrong profession.

But the good news when it comes to teaching IM is....

You do not need anyone's permission or credentials to be a teacher.

If someone wants to be a teacher, he can start any time by sharing effective
methods. There is no rules as to WHEN you should start teaching others
or start building an email list. You do it when you are ready.

Sure, there will be teachers who may be unqualified. But the market eventually figures that out.

And, the inspiring teachers know that teaching isn't about covering all materials.

But it's about empowering students with possibilities they didn't know existed before.

If you can do that, then you are a good teacher.

I think a better saying would be:

"You can learn, teachers can teach but NO-ONE can do it for YOU!"

This is my experience with teaching anyway especially in IM.

Out of every 100 I teach a handful "get it".

It is ALL down to action as well - it is not that the rest do not understand it is that when it comes down to it people don't BELIEVE that it will work for them.

Chris

Sometimes those who CAN also like to help out those who "CAN'T .. so far" so they CAN later. It's kind of what teaching is all about.

In case you didn't know wso means warrior special offer. Some of us that actually run a website that offers a service also run wso's at a discounted price. ie a "special offer" for that service. Which i believe to be smart marketing move creating more business and customers for ourselves.

If you actually knew what you were talking about you would be doing the exact thing you are whinging about. Have a nice day

Those who do, look down upon those who don't because they assume that they can't...and therefore, they teach. Applying this to culture in the US, we devalue the profession of teaching, offer abysmal salaries to those in the teaching profession, then complain when we see rankings of how the US has precipitously fallen from a world leader in education to a 2nd-rank, 3rd-world country in areas of science, mathematics among others. Here's a little riddle for ya: Know what you get when you pay a K12 teacher 39K/year? You get what you pay for. Stop complaining that your little darling can't perform long division or complete a sentence wihout using texting syntax. Okay, that's all I have to say for today's diatribe. (For the record, I'm not, nor ever have been, a teacher. I could never support my family on a teacher's salary). What does this have to do with IM? Absolutely nuthin'!

Those who have no idea, post useless threads.