Article Directory Submission Duplicate Content?

12 years ago

Originally Posted by vastcosmos

Hi:

I write a blog five days a week. If I were to submit some of my blogs to an article directory or even to someone like e-zine, would Google punish my rankings for duplicate content?

Thanks

Jim

Absolutely NOT. That's article syndication. It's what the article directories such as Ezine Articles were created for.

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post4292485

[ 4 ] Thanks
1 reply

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6230056].message }}

Tevis Verrett

12 years ago

Originally Posted by AnniePot

Absolutely NOT. That's article syndication. It's what the article directories such as Ezine Articles were created for.

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post4292485

Annie, I have to admit. . . I have a sneaking suspicion (having read the above article you offered, that the game has decidedly changed.

Are you SURE that duplicate content slaps by human reviewers are a thing of the past?

Ego out of the way, learning hat on!

Tevis

Thanks

Signature

Tevis Verrett, Boss of Triumvirate Capital Group
Always Looking for New Affiliate & JV Partners:
Ever wanted to make money selling money? We teach Financial Literacy. . . for the rest of us!

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6230269].message }}

Tevis Verrett

12 years ago

Originally Posted by vastcosmos

Hi:

I write a blog five days a week. If I were to submit some of my blogs to an article directory or even to someone like e-zine, would Google punish my rankings for duplicate content?

Thanks

Jim

Jim, I am going to add the obvious, as the obvious is not necessarily obvious. . .

. . .but I digress!

I spin my articles using spin software FIRST. I use SpinChimp: Spin Chimp - Spinning made EXTREMELY easy

(not an affiliate link. . .just spreading warrior love)

( also, after posting this, I read the salient article quoted by Annie above and find myself nonplussed. Having been at this for 4 years, I have had articles flagged for duplicate submission, so perhaps the game has changed. . .your mileage may vary!)

Otherwise your Article submissions will be rejected out of hand for duplicate content. They have human and bot reviewers at work here. I pound the same volume of blogs also, and find that best practices is to submit the new copy to my blogs FIRST, wait a day, and then post them on article directories.

Git your work the indexing love that you deserve!

This is my .03, your mileage may vary, objects in the mirror are closer than they appear. . .

. . . and I hope this helps!

Tevis

[ 1 ] Thanks
1 reply

Signature

Tevis Verrett, Boss of Triumvirate Capital Group
Always Looking for New Affiliate & JV Partners:
Ever wanted to make money selling money? We teach Financial Literacy. . . for the rest of us!

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6230095].message }}

AnniePot

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Tevis Verrett

Jim, I am going to add the obvious, as the obvious is not necessarily obvious. . .

. . .but I digress!

You MUST spin your article using spin software. I use SpinChimp: Spin Chimp - Spinning made EXTREMELY easy

(not an affiliate link. . .just spreading warrior love)

Otherwise your Article submissions will be rejected out of hand for duplicate content. They have human and bot reviewers at work here. I pound the same volume of blogs also, and find that best practices is to submit the new copy to article directories FIRST, wait a day, and then post them on my blogs.

This is my .03, your mileage may vary, objects in the mirror are closer than they appear. . .

. . . and I hope this helps!

Tevis

This utterly and completely wrong!! Article directories do NOT reject content you publish on your websites first. In fact, Ezine Articles encourage writers to share content from their own blogs. To prove the point, they provide a Wordpress plugin which facilitates the process.

Here is a link: Submit Your Articles Directly from WordPress

Publishing all your content to your own websites first and getting it indexed by Google, is the correct way to engage in article marketing. You need the credit for your content, not an article directory.

If you truly and honestly still believe that spinning good, original content to produce garbage, then distribute it all over the internet, your head must still be back in 2008. Keep abreast of progress my friend.

[ 2 ] Thanks

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6230274].message }}

Alexa Smith

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by vastcosmos

If I were to submit some of my blogs to an article directory or even to someone like e-zine, would Google punish my rankings for duplicate content?

No, Jim. It's very simple: they won't punish you for duplicate content because that wouldn't be duplicate content (in fact what describe is something that all the professional article marketers here do every day of the week). That would be "syndicated content".

This will help you: Article Marketers – Lay the Duplicate Content Myth To Rest Once and For All - Internet Marketing and Publishing

Originally Posted by Tevis Verrett

Are you SURE that duplicate content slaps by human reviewers are a thing of the past?

The question isn't about "duplicate content", Tevis. It's about "syndicated content", which Google goes to great lengths to explain they regard as a totally different thing.

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5286678

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5273419

Originally Posted by Tevis Verrett

Otherwise your Article submissions will be rejected out of hand for duplicate content.

This is completely wrong. That has actually never been the case - and still isn't, now.

Tevis, you've evidently misunderstood what "duplicate content" means. Multiple copies of an article on different websites are not "duplicate content", for these purposes.

Originally Posted by Tevis Verrett

Ego out of the way, learning hat on!

This post (and many of the links within it) may help you: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5068872

[ 5 ] Thanks
2 replies

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6230282].message }}

AnniePot 12 years ago

Okay, it's Saturday morning (well, it is where I live ). If you want an education in article marketing, pour yourself a glass of wine, relax, and read the posts from the Warrior Forum experts:

Alexa Smith, Bill Platt, Celent, Joe Robinson, John Coutts, John McCabe, Mike Tucker, MYOB, Nicola Lane, Paul Myers, Richard Van, and TiffLee (there are more, but unfortunately they don't spring to mind as I write ).
- [ 5 ] Thanks
{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6230325].message }}

MissTerraK

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

No, Jim. It's very simple: they won't punish you for duplicate content because that wouldn't be duplicate content (in fact what describe is something that all the professional marketers here do every day of the week). That would be "syndicated content".

This will help you: Article Marketers – Lay the Duplicate Content Myth To Rest Once and For All - Internet Marketing and Publishing

The question isn't about "duplicate content", Tevis. It's about "syndicated content", which Google goes to great lengths to explain they regard as a totally different thing.

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5286678

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5273419

This is completely wrong. That has actually never been the case - and still isn't, now.

Tevis, you've evidently misunderstood what "duplicate content" means. Multiple copies of an article on different websites are not "duplicate content", for these purposes.

This post (and many of the links within it) may help you: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5068872

Alexa,

I've just to tell you that I think you have the patience of a saint.

Countless questions pop up about duplicate content and article syndication on a regular basis and I at times will try to explain the difference but at others just heave a big sigh, shake my head and determine to move on.

But you on the other hand never tire of not only answering the questions but providing links as well.

I don't know how you do it girl, but thanks!

Terra

[ 1 ] Thanks
1 reply

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6230386].message }}

inxie

11 years ago

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

Alexa,

I've just to tell you that I think you have the patience of a saint.

Countless questions pop up about duplicate content and article syndication on a regular basis and I at times will try to explain the difference but at others just heave a big sigh, shake my head and determine to move on.

But you on the other hand never tire of not only answering the questions but providing links as well.

I don't know how you do it girl, but thanks!

Terra

I too must give a big hand to Alexa, fantastic support all the way through.

Thanks

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[7411900].message }}

Joseph Robinson

Banned 12 years ago

Is it me, or has it been awhile since an entire thread concerning the topic came up? I'm calling that an improvement, because we need something to smile about every day. Anyways, if you want a more humorous explanation, I'm throwing my article syndication marketing thread into the mix:

Is Article Marketing Dead?!

Thanks
1 reply

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6230349].message }}

RnGWriter

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Joe Robinson

Is it me, or has it been awhile since an entire thread concerning the topic came up? I'm calling that an improvement, because we need something to smile about every day. Anyways, if you want a more humorous explanation, I'm throwing my article syndication marketing thread into the mix:

Is Article Marketing Dead?!

I think it has been a while since I opened the file containing all the links that I usually show off to syndication noobs. And to think, all this time I was smiling about the Twilight Parody

Thanks

Signature

Sign Up For AI BotNinja - A Messenger Chatbot Platform by ChatLeads

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6230786].message }}

Potsie Weber

Banned 12 years ago

[DELETED]

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6230448].message }}

Joseph Robinson

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Potsie Weber

Have you been a casualty of experiencing this? Maybe links coming in that all have the same content can be bad.

I'm putting large amounts of money that the (now deleted) drive by poster had no idea what they are talking about. Just looking for a post count and some sig exposure.

Anyways, let's talk about those links. If you are referring to article directories, we are talking about some of the most worthless links out there: non context relevant with a PR of 0. Those sausage links I ate for breakfast are more useful. They're not going to help you anyways.

If you're thinking of links that you will get when your content is spread correctly (through syndication), we're getting somewhere. Google does not look down on these links. In fact, they're the only links I go after at all because they come from sites that are highly relevant to my niche. Google loves them, and my sites rank in the SERPs because of these links and these links only.

Not that Google ranking is that big of a deal anyways. It'd be foolish to base your business on backlinks and search engine rankings anyways. Most of us got into IM to not have a boss, so why give Google the role?

Originally Posted by Potsie Weber

What if content is sent to 500 article directories and any other place you can submit to and backlinks are received from all of these directories with the same content on those pages and the same text in the incoming backlinks? That is not something to potentially fret and worry over?

That would mean you are attempting article directory marketing, which doesn't work at all. As I already said, you won't have to worry about Google in that case. They look at the links from those article directories and go "Poor guy, thinks those links are worth something!"

[ 2 ] Thanks

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6230526].message }}

Potsie Weber

Banned 12 years ago

[DELETED]

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6230617].message }}

Joseph Robinson

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Potsie Weber

This is setting aside whether or not you think the links are worth something or not and thoughts on syndication. Can links such as this actually hurt a site?

The perceived worth of the links is everything in the conversation. As I said, Google has made links that come from article directories completely pointless. They aren't helping, and they aren't hurting either. They're just there, and a waste of time if you intend to use them in a backlinking strategy. Google caught onto that game, and adjusted accordingly.

To quote Alexa's often used phrase when talking about article directory backlinks:

50,000 of those links and $3.50 will get you a cup of coffee at Starbucks.

Thanks
1 reply

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6230658].message }}

JohnMcCabe

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Joe Robinson

The perceived worth of the links is everything in the conversation. As I said, Google has made links that come from article directories completely pointless. They aren't helping, and they aren't hurting either. They're just there, and a waste of time if you intend to use them in a backlinking strategy. Google caught onto that game, and adjusted accordingly.

To quote Alexa's often used phrase when talking about article directory backlinks:

50,000 of those links and $3.50 will get you a cup of coffee at Starbucks.

This post will shed a little math on why that quote is true...

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...tml#post174342

[ 2 ] Thanks

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6231547].message }}

Potsie Weber

Banned 12 years ago

[DELETED]

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6231600].message }}

Alexa Smith

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Potsie Weber

Places like Majestic don't use PR to qualify links (if that's the right word), they use a scale that takes into account the relevance of the links. At least that's the way I interpret it. They use a scale that goes up to 10. So, a link with ranking of 8 may actually come from a page that has a PR of 0, but the link comes from a relevant site and relevant page. And that just seems to make sense, which means, to me, focusing on PR of sites and pages isn't that important.

Yes, this makes complete sense. It's becoming clearer and clearer (partly because Google now says so more openly than they did in the past) that relevance is highly significant to banklink value, and page rank almost not at all.

And, of course, it stands to reason anyway, exactly as you say.

I stopped believing in page ranks when Google did, more or less. We can all see for ourselves in Google's SERP's, these days, the regularity with which lower-PR pages with fewer incoming backlinks are outranking higher-PR pages with far more incoming backlinks. Rankings are primarily about quality and relevance, just as Google has been saying they would be - not page ranks or numbers of backlinks.

There are still some people in a state of denial about it, though. Two main groups of them: the ones still trying to sell "backlinking services" and the graduates of the "Urban Myth School of Internet Marketing".

Thanks

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6231633].message }}

Potsie Weber

Banned 12 years ago

[DELETED]

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6231789].message }}

Joseph Robinson

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Potsie Weber

Your suggestion is hardly a financially disinterested one too, in all candor. The link you provided does go to a site you own, from which you would derive income off the proceeds of any sales of the product you suggested, correct?

Unless she did a great job hiding the affiliate link, it doesn't look like she's getting paid for that recommendation.

Originally Posted by Potsie Weber

But who knows what this guy's agenda is, you know?

I actually answered what agenda is in this thread :rolleyes::

Originally Posted by Joe Robinson

Simple, I'm in it for the money:

The alcohol:

and the girls:

...well damn.

Thanks

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6231885].message }}

MikeTucker 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Joe Robinson

That would mean you are attempting article directory marketing, which doesn't work at all.

Actually, the problem is that it does work...
A very little bit. And unfortunately, it works
better than a lot of other methods.

Before finding the Warrior Forum, I paid (a lot!)
of money to another expert to teach me
article directory marketing. I know it works,
because he made a lot of money from me!

And, I did get traffic, and some of it was good,
responsive, and profitable. This is the problem:
I had no idea whatsoever, that there is actually
a far superior way of doing things-- What I have
now come to see as the only correct way:
Building a proper syndication network.

Article directory marketing does work. Like
forum signature marketing, it just doesn't work
nearly as well as proper syndication. My guess
is that, like me, most people just don't know it
until they find the Warrior Forum.
- [ 3 ] Thanks
Signature

The bartender says: "We don't serve faster-than-light particles here."

...A tachyon enters a bar.
{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6231676].message }}

garyoneill

12 years ago

Originally Posted by vastcosmos

Hi:

I write a blog five days a week. If I were to submit some of my blogs to an article directory or even to someone like e-zine, would Google punish my rankings for duplicate content?

Thanks

Jim

You should not have anything to worry about.

Thanks

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6230467].message }}

marketingva

12 years ago

I have been doing article marketing since 1998 and I have not once had an article deemed duplicate content even if I submit it to 50+ sites. I have not once spun an article, changed a title or anything. The majority of my traffic to my sites come from article submissions.

Bonnie

Thanks

Signature

Magic Wand Author Services helps writers polish their manuscripts and connect to readers.
http://www.mwauthorservices.com

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6230649].message }}

Potsie Weber

Banned 12 years ago

[DELETED]

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6230659].message }}

Joseph Robinson

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Potsie Weber

I just learned above this is called article directory marketing and nothing good can come from it. Who are you to say otherwise?

A quick look at his sig:

Looking for article submission sites for your articles? Visit Article directories, article directory list and article submission sites.!

Explains why he would claim article submissions are OK. He wants to sell them to you :rolleyes:.

[ 2 ] Thanks
1 reply

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6230667].message }}

AnniePot 12 years ago

^ ^ ^ Dead right Joe. The various myths perpetuating "Article Directory Marketing" will continue unabated by those making money out of services and software, while there are people remaining, gullible enough to believe their sales pitches.
- Thanks
{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6230718].message }}

Potsie Weber

Banned 12 years ago

[DELETED]

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6230738].message }}

Joseph Robinson

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Potsie Weber

Are you not promoting a service as well, one incumbent on selling potential customers on the merits of paying hundreds of dollars per article?

Trust me, the type of person who is reading this thread is not the type of person who will be purchasing my service. My clients already know what kind of content they are after, they don't need to be convinced. Those that do are rarely swayed by common sense and evidence, and will never become a customer of mine.

I gain nothing monetarily by posting on these threads.

The referred to poster however comes in and offers an "easy way out" that can be had for cheap. Nevermind the fact that mass submission barely worked in the first place (and hasn't at all since Panda last year :rolleyes:). It preys on those who refuse to see common sense and still want the easy way out. If you're wondering how that ends, check out the Adsense/PPC/SEO Discussion Forum. Not pretty.

Originally Posted by Potsie Weber

What is the difference between that person's motivation and yours in writing an opinion on this topic? Neither position can be conclusively proven. You don't know for a certainty whether it's working well or not for the person you discredited with the position you just took.

I educate, others sell. If you're in doubt, take a look at my post history and enjoy yourself for the next day or two. Foolish claim is foolish. And I do know for a certainty that those links do nothing for your SEO strategy. How?

One magic word: Testing.

-------------------------------------

I threw up two different one article sites. Both different articles (because otherwise I would have to link one of them to prove syndication, and that would skew things from the start) that started out indexed on my site and my site alone. Both were written to the same standards of quality; and would be syndication worthy if I really wanted to use them. They target the same keyword, although the content covers two different angles that the keyword could be used in.

After indexing the articles, they both sat on page 10 for the respective keyword (I chose an obscure keyword that oddly enough is proving profitable for me now).

Skipping the active syndication process that would usually come next, I took article 1 and posted it to EZA and nowhere else. This is the article that I will use to prove the worth of a syndicated backlink.

I took article 2 and submitted it anywhere and everywhere I could think of, and even purchased a few of the mass submission packages (it hurt. I'm never one to throw money down the tube. But hey, research).

Next up was the waiting game. After a week, article one had been syndicated to two websites. Article two had been syndicated to one. I had the link removed from the syndicated website for article 2 to make sure that any ranking gained or lost only came from article directories.

Article 1 moved up to page 8, article 2 stayed where it was.

I let the experiment run for another week. Article one was syndicated 3 more times, article 2 wasn't syndicated anymore. Final results after 2 weeks? Article 1 up to page 4 and article 2 down to page 11.

So much for those article directory and submission sites being great for backlinks, huh

?

-----------------------------

So there is personal experience and testing backing it up. If that's not enough social proof for you, feel free to search out the thousands of other threads on this topic that have already come up. I'm far from the only one who has come to this conclusion.

Originally Posted by Potsie Weber

I wonder, if the strategy you outlay is working so well for you, why you write for others rather than build your own assets. I'm sure you can step outside of yourself and see this, seeing as how you have a healthy sense of cynicism yourself.

My writing service is a continuation of what I've been doing since I started online. I only jumped into affiliate marketing through article syndication a few months ago, when I had that "step outside yourself" moment you seem to think I still need.

The reason to continue is simple. Until article syndication marketing brings me to the income level that I want/need on it's own I will continue to write for others to bridge the gap.

In case you're wondering, I'll be there before the end of the summer

.

[ 5 ] Thanks

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6230875].message }}

Potsie Weber

Banned 12 years ago

[DELETED]

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6230969].message }}

Joseph Robinson

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Potsie Weber

That exceeded my expectations. So you know, Joe, I was convinced of the merits of your position before you posted this. I like to hear and read different but agreeing perspectives on the same position. So I posted my questions. I believe the links from all of those directories hurt, which is worse than doing nothing.

Nothing wrong with asking questions at all. That's how we learn

.

Originally Posted by Potsie Weber

Would you mind saying what your "active syndication process that would usually come next" is? That would be helpful as well as most appreciated.

Sure. Some of the threads linked to earlier go a little more in depth on it but the crux is pretty simple to explain:

When it comes to article syndication, submitting to a directory like EZA is usually the last step. Why? Because you are hoping for what is called passive syndication. Publishers in your niche hopefully look around on EZA, find your article, and publish it. Now don't get me wrong, the method works; but it is way to slow for my (and other syndication marketers) liking. We want results just as fast as everyone else.

To achieve that, we participate in what is called active syndication. Instead of waiting around for potential publishing partners to find our stuff on EZA, we find them. Once you have located a site that could benefit from your content (and you could benefit from receiving their traffic) you make contact, build a relationship, and offer to allow them to publish your work.

They get the benefit of not having to find content to give to their hungry readers (my personal experience has been that every partner who has published once wants to publish anything else I write), and I get the benefit of having my resource box on their site. In the almost 5 months I've been doing affiliate marketing, 91% of my traffic has come from one of the sites I syndicated to.

The other 9% comes from Google searchers finding my website, which is ranking because those syndication partners are giving highly relevant and high quality links from their site.

[ 1 ] Thanks

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6231037].message }}

Potsie Weber

Banned 12 years ago

[DELETED]

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6231108].message }}

Joseph Robinson

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Potsie Weber

Thanks again Joe.

Here's a question that may not have been posed to you before. What percent of your time is spent writing and what percent is spent finding sites to republish your articles?

This one actually hasn't been posed to me before. In my current situation (where income is about 60/40 in favor of my writing service) I dedicate at least 3, maybe 4 hours per day in my own stuff. I'm working with two niches that I have established, and the time usually splits like this:

30 mins research: These are two niches that I would be comfortable calling myself a legitimate expert in, so that is actually a lower number than I expect to need for future niches.
1 hour writing: Doesn't matter if I finish an article or not. I only put out one every 5 days so no rush.
30 mins editing: self explanatory.
1.5 hours on finding syndication partners: communicating with them, giving them the articles to publish (on scheduled days), or addressing concerns. Also in this time would be where I drop the copy at EZA after all syndication partners have had a chance to publish it.
30 mins random maintenance: making sure nothing is wrong with my site, loading articles into an autoresponder, addressing any customer questions/concerns.

So with that breakdown, 25% of my time is actually writing (50% if we want to take the entire writing process), and about 38% is spent dealing with the syndication aspect of it.

Originally Posted by Potsie Weber

Do you ever consider writing unique articles for sites other than your own, in order to gain exposure from a particularly relevant and high-traffic site? Or do you stand firm on submitting only articles that have been published first on sites you own?

This is what is referred to as "guest-blogging/posting". I've taken the stance in other threads on this of not being particularly fond of it. I much prefer leveraging each piece as much as I can, and getting more benefit from my time.

That being said, if the right opportunity came along (a very high traffic site/ezine with great targeted traffic) I would consider it. Flexibility is a very important thing.

Originally Posted by Potsie Weber

My guess is your syndication efforts are your sole means of backlinking. Is this right?

Correct. Outside of that and making sure that my on-page SEO is straight (correct link structure, no HTML hiccups, etc.), I do nothing to try to please the search engines. I worry first, second, and third about putting out stuff that my readers will want to read.

Oddly enough, this has led to some great search engine rankings on it's own

.

Originally Posted by Potsie Weber

I don't think it's going to compromise your business if I ask what resources, other than the internet, you use to find sites to republish your articles, will it?

My biggest niche (my flagship, or my baby as I like to call it. The niche is near and dear to my heart) focuses on a topic that is very prominent locally. In that vein, I look for offline publications like local magazines and newspapers to get my work syndicated to. I've been published a few times this way now, and it's a great ego boost

.

Most of my stuff still gets syndicated on the internet though.

Originally Posted by Potsie Weber

Lastly, to me, a good article worth reading, is at least 1500 words. Do you have any idea what the average word count of your articles are?

I'm right there with you on the average word count. You'll see I say on here a lot that you should only take as many words as you need to so that you can get your message across.

I tend to make sure that I convey the kind of message that needs at least 1,000 words but often closer to 2k to get the point across

. Readers love more information and syndication partners love getting long pieces. It means they have less content to look for.

[ 4 ] Thanks

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6231185].message }}

Potsie Weber

Banned 12 years ago

[DELETED]

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6231309].message }}

Joseph Robinson

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Potsie Weber

Thanks again, Joe!

What do you think of Directory of Ezines? I won't use it. First off, his pop up windows when exiting his site bugs. Secondly, his emails became the bane of my existence for the one week I suffered through the owner's nonsense and incessant promotion of other things. I haven't used his product, but the fact that he resorts to such a hard sell completely turned me off and it seems to me that something can't be so wonderful about it. But who knows? I just have a gut feeling, that's all. I couldn't inundate people's email boxes like this guy does, so I don't buy anything from people who engage in this practice out of principle.

I bought it, and have actually found a few good publications to syndicate to. It's made back the $197 I spent on it, so I consider that a success.

As for the bombardment of emails, you can just do what I do and relegate all of those lists to a dead email

. Of course if your gut is telling you not to go with the guy, then by all means don't do it. Never sacrifice your principles and morals for the sake of money.

Thanks

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6231335].message }}

AnniePot

12 years ago

If you really want to learn about article syndication Potsie Weber, I highly recommend Paul Myers new ebook The Content Cash Systems. I've been doing article syndication for years, but I've still been able to learn a lot from Paul's ebook.

In case you're one of the two members here who don't know the name 'Paul Myers', he's one of the driving forces behind the Warrior Forum and has earned the reputation of being one of the most knowledgeable, ethical marketers around..

[ 1 ] Thanks

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6231060].message }}

Potsie Weber

Banned 12 years ago

[DELETED]

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6231196].message }}

MadamM 12 years ago

Wow, this is ever lasting question on the internet. And there are always all 3 answers: YES, NO and neutral
- Thanks
Signature
Web Design & Development
{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6231218].message }}

AnniePot

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Potsie Weber

Gracias, pero no gracias. What for? Any question I have in the world I can find online. If I can't find the answer on a specific website, I just a join pertinent forum (like I did today) and ask as specific questions as possible on a related thread. If I can't find an existing thread, I simply start one. From there, I either find my answers or at least will be steered toward another free resource which will have my answer.

What for? because Paul explains an entire article syndication process, which, when followed, is the only technique you will ever need. This is why I recommend his ebook.

To be honest, finding accurate answers on any forum is way too random, too hit and miss. Far too many people respond to threads when they really don't have a clue what they are talking about.

[ 2 ] Thanks

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6231432].message }}

azmanar

12 years ago

Hi,

I refer to what Matt Cutts said right after the latest back-to-back Panda and Penguin updates.

Duplicate Content is Duplicate Content no matter where it is. When articles are syndicated, they are DUPLICATE unless those articles have link-backs to the source material. That is Google's "vague" policy about duplicate and syndicated content.

Articles directories have their own policies. Some want articles to be original and unpublished elsewhere if you want them to be approved. And some others don't mind duplicates ( EZA is one ).

Reminds me of what Alexa has been saying all along since I joined WF. Publish your articles FIRST and FOREMOST to your own websites and blogs. Get them indexed. And then syndicate articles. Have link-backs to the sites or blogs where the articles are first published.

@Vastcosmos Jim.

1. IMHO, your article rankings won;t be penalized as long as they have link backs pointing to the original source - your blog/sites.

2. Your rankings WILL be penalized if your articles are syndicated in "blacklisted" Blog Networks even if you have link-backs.

3. I have here 6 links to respected SEO sites which already have answers to your questions in expert manner.

Another point to note to get quicker results when testing Google.

Some times Google spiders arrived very quickly, some times they really took their time. Some took 3 days before the spiders arrived. Some posts were ignored totally.

If you're using WP and want to attract Google spiders instantly, you have to PING Google. You can ping automatically by adding this line in the Update Services Box in the Settings/Writing Section of WP Admin :

http://blogsearch.google.com/ping/RPC2

PS:
-> Can't help laughing at Joe's new sig. .. lol ... Very creative and original.
-> Notices Annie changed her avatar. Wow !

Thanks

Signature

=== >>> Tomorrow Should Be Better Than Today

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6231268].message }}

marketingva

12 years ago

Potsie-Weber,

If you reread my post you'll see that I didn't say I'm submitting to 50+ article directories! I said sites not directories. I submit to about five directories and then I move on to blogs, individual sites, document sharing sites, etc. That is called "article syndication" not "Article Directory Marketing". As to who I am... I've been doing this with great success for many years. Have you?

Bonnie

Thanks
1 reply

Signature

Magic Wand Author Services helps writers polish their manuscripts and connect to readers.
http://www.mwauthorservices.com

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6231382].message }}

Joseph Robinson

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Potsie Weber

I guess what do I care as long as his product does what it says it can do - and that is to simplify and speed up the search process for sites to republish your content? I'll take your response as a recommendation.

Any other tools or subscriptions that you use to help in your syndication efforts, Joe?

For the syndication process not really. I prefer to keep things simple. Outside of what I have already mentioned I just keep a spreadsheet for each niche that contains sites I have already contacted and which articles (if any) they have published.

An autoresponder service is key for the after syndication process. Once they get to my site, I want those readers to opt in to my list so they can get "more of the same" content wise and so that I can build the trust that leads them to buy solely on my recommendation.

Originally Posted by marketingva

Potsie-Weber,

If you reread my post you'll see that I didn't say I'm submitting to 50+ article directories! I said sites not directories. I submit to about five directories and then I move on to blogs, individual sites, document sharing sites, etc. That is called "article syndication" not "Article Directory Marketing". As to who I am... I've been doing this with great success for many years. Have you?

Bonnie

The misunderstanding would seem to come from the way you worded both your post and signature. Calling it mass article submission does not lead many to think of syndication marketing. People who talk about that tend to be talking about article directory marketing.

Wording is everything. Surely as a writer you know that

?

Thanks

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6231426].message }}

eman1

12 years ago

As long as you are posting good quality, original content to the article directories you should be just fine. You should not have any problems.

Thanks

Signature

Click For Success In: FACEBOOK MARKETING - AFFILIATE MARKETING - GETTING MASS WEBSITE TRAFFIC

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6231637].message }}

equanto

12 years ago

Based on experience, another problem that I've encountered when syndicating articles is that the webmasters that publish your article sometimes feel that they have a right to edit your article, even if you have explicitly forbidden this in the licence that you issued them.

They may edit this to divide your article into many pages so that they can display more advertisements on your article; or they may change the links on your article to point to their affiliate links; or they may move your byline and URL to a common page for authors (negating the usefulness of your syndication in getting more visitors or search engine links); and so on.

The list of things webmasters do to articles submitted to them is very long.
In view of this, syndicating your articles is not a simple submit and forget process. You have to monitor what happens to your articles, deal with recalcitrant webmasters, and the like.

A related problem is when you submit certain articles for republication, but reserve others to be published only on your site. Some webmasters, having obtained one of your licensed re-publishable articles, don't bother to read the copyright and licence statements on the rest of your site and grab your other articles for republishing on their site. It seems that the moment you allow any of your articles to be republished, you have to be vigilant in policing the sites you submit to for infractions of this nature.

[ 1 ] Thanks
1 reply

Signature

What saves a man is to take a step. Then another step. It is always the same step, but you have to take it.
Stories of Another day can be saved by your STEPS

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6232165].message }}

JohnMcCabe

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Potsie Weber

I do believe I can also safely decipher who knows what they are talking about and who does not. Your suggestion is hardly a financially disinterested one too, in all candor. The link you provided does go to a site you own, from which you would derive income off the proceeds of any sales of the product you suggested, correct?

Potsie, I would echo Anne's recommendation pretty much word for word. And she gave you the straight link. Obviously, what you do with the link and the recommendation are your choice.

To use an analogy here, you seem to be choosing to swim across the river when there is a perfectly good ferry boat available...

Originally Posted by equanto

Based on experience, another problem that I've encountered when syndicating articles is that the webmasters that publish your article sometimes feel that they have a right to edit your article, even if you have explicitly forbidden this in the licence that you issued them.

They may edit this to divide your article into many pages so that they can display more advertisements on your article; or they may change the links on your article to point to their affiliate links; or they may move your byline and URL to a common page for authors (negating the usefulness of your syndication in getting more visitors or search engine links); and so on.

The list of things webmasters do to articles submitted to them is very long.
In view of this, syndicating your articles is not a simple submit and forget process. You have to monitor what happens to your articles, deal with recalcitrant webmasters, and the like.

This is an excellent argument for building your own private syndicate. Done correctly, it's a win-win, where the syndicating partner has as much to lose as the one seeking syndication. If webmasters or other publishers take liberties to the point there is no longer a win-win, they are removed from the syndicate.

In short, if you catch someone cheating, you don't let them play.

Originally Posted by equanto

A related problem is when you submit certain articles for republication, but reserve others to be published only on your site. Some webmasters, having obtained one of your licensed re-publishable articles, don't bother to read the copyright and licence statements on the rest of your site and grab your other articles for republishing on their site. It seems that the moment you allow any of your articles to be republished, you have to be vigilant in policing the sites you submit to for infractions of this nature.

At that point, said webmaster is just another content thief, and should be handled accordingly.

If you really want to keep track, you can automate much of the process with a combination of Google Alerts and a service like ChangeDetection.com. The latter is also useful in keeping up with TOS updates, etc.

[ 1 ] Thanks

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6234777].message }}

SuperSonic47

11 years ago

Didn't know you needed to have copyright and license statements. What do they look like? Could someone show me an example?

Thanks
1 reply

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[7411832].message }}

JohnMcCabe 11 years ago

Originally Posted by SuperSonic47

Didn't know you needed to have copyright and license statements. What do they look like? Could someone show me an example?

Copyright:

This article copyright (C) 2012 by The Rights Owner. All rights reserved.

License:

This article may be republished as long as it is not changed, the author's bio is left intact and all links are either live (electronic publishing) or urls are spelled out (print publishing). Any other use requires explicit permission from the rights owner.
- [ 1 ] Thanks
- 1 reply
{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[7451978].message }}
- sthomas676 11 years ago
  
  I would suggest you that don't submit the duplicate article because some of article submission directories can block you submitting the duplicate content you can do the blog submissions in different blog submission directories
  
  Thanks
  
  1 reply
  
  {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[7461568].message }}
  
  Alexa Smith Banned 11 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by sthomas676
  
  I would suggest you that don't submit the duplicate article because some of article submission directories can block you submitting the duplicate content
  
  This is incorrect. Article directories do not require previously unpublished content. (And syndicated content isn't "duplicate content", either).
  
  http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post6942344
  
  Thanks
  
  {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[7461606].message }}

Article Directory Submission Duplicate Content?

Trending Topics

Are Solo ADs the Most Cost Effective Way to Promote your Product?

How do I effectively build and nurture an email list for affiliate marketing purposes?

Been a while! Any of you Old Timers here?

How much does the rebranding affect CR ?

Are billboards still effective in driving customers?