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Is Article Marketing helpful??

by sadeeshbala
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Will it worth of doing article marketing after Google's Penguin Update....
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  • Profile picture of the author kc33
    Maybe not to the article directories, but do Guest Blogging on your competitors sites. This will give you heaps of targeted traffic. Way better than aritcle marketing. Having said that I still get traffic everyday to my sites from article marketing. So I would say yes it still works. But you need to pump heaps of high quality articles into the directories to get consistent flow of traffic
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    • Profile picture of the author Kenny Damian
      Originally Posted by kc33 View Post

      Maybe not to the article directories, but do Guest Blogging on your competitors sites. This will give you heaps of targeted traffic. Way better than aritcle marketing. Having said that I still get traffic everyday to my sites from article marketing. So I would say yes it still works. But you need to pump heaps of high quality articles into the directories to get consistent flow of traffic
      Very true! I had a article traffic directory once. Had heaps of traffic, but of no quality.

      Tried Guest Blogging and found the traffic is more targeted, providing your topic is good and relevant.
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  • Profile picture of the author seo-it-right
    It used to be the most powerful of all, but guest blogging is better now.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by sadeeshbala View Post

    Will it worth of doing article marketing after Google's Penguin Update....
    Yes.

    Even more worthwhile than before.

    As has been true after all the major Google algorithm updates over the last few years, the prospects for article marketing seem to have improved even further.

    Article directory marketing not so much, of course. But that's been a pretty defunct business model for years now, anyway. It only ever rested on a fundamental misunderstanding about how article directories work. It was just a way of trying to misuse article directories for their own backlinks and/or their own traffic. :p

    Fortunately for all the successful article marketers here (and that's quite a lot of people!), article directory marketing is now even more clearly something of the past. These Google updates do help us to rank our own sites well, without any article directories, or sites belonging to people who've used automated submission software, getting in our way.

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  • Profile picture of the author hazyl lee
    Article Marketing is for branding. It would be slightly slow than forum marketing, solo ads and etc. But it is very good for brand yourself by providing good information to the readers.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheBizHelp
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    In few words, article marketing still works perfectly but with one prerequisite:
    you must have lots of original and quality content under your belt.
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  • Profile picture of the author MattJackson
    when people talk of article marketing I think of people writing one article, spinning it then submitting it to as many directories as possible. Thats dead.

    But if you have real quality content and are getting quality backlinks then go for it. Like Alexa said these days you are better of making your own site, or even hubpage, and putting your content there.
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  • Profile picture of the author Adrian Jong
    Hmm... Wouldn't it be better to write the article on your website and then get quality links from sites like ezine?

    I mean it still works doesn't it?
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by LC Jong View Post

      Hmm... Wouldn't it be better to write the article on your website
      Yes - it always has been and it probably always will be. But that was true even in the days of submitting to multiple article directories: it still made sense, even then, to publish the article on your own site first and have it indexed there, before submitting it anywhere else. And it still does.

      Although some people still don't quite realise it, article directories don't require previously unpublished content.

      Originally Posted by LC Jong View Post

      and then get quality links from sites like ezine?
      Not this part: no. There are no "quality" links from sites like Ezine Articles - it's an article directory. All you can get from that is a non-context-relevant, PR-0 backlink.

      As the saying goes, "100,000 of those "backlinks" and $3.50 will buy you a cappuccino at Starbuck's". :p

      These days, it seems that enough backlinks like that can even get you into trouble, after the Penguin update.

      But that's no problem - because article directories aren't there for their backlinks anyway: that was never their purpose, or function.

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      Originally Posted by LC Jong View Post

      I mean it still works doesn't it?
      Yes - it still works for the purpose for which article directories exist - but that has nothing to do with their own backlinks.

      Article go into Ezine Articles to attract publishers, not customers.

      An article directory is no more and no less than a stepping-stone. And that's all they've ever been, even though some people do still try to misuse them for their own backlinks and/or traffic.

      No article marketer would want any potential-customer-traffic coming to their site from an article directory, for all the reasons explained in this post.
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  • Profile picture of the author Elion Makkink
    But Ezine (and others) is where the traffic is right? I could buy 100s of articles and put them on my own site but I don't think I'm going to get a lot of traffic since it's a very competitive niche.

    Article marketing will definitely continue to bring in traffic, but I think one has to make a choice between SEO traffic and traffic from directories in that case (while having read previous comments)?
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by Elion Makkink View Post

      But Ezine (and others) is where the traffic is right?
      No - not right at all!

      Fortunately, it's far easier to get the traffic coming to your own site than it is to get it going to EZA.

      Article directories lost most of their traffic during/after all the "Panda" updates of 2011.

      Originally Posted by Elion Makkink View Post

      I could buy 100s of articles and put them on my own site but I don't think I'm going to get a lot of traffic since it's a very competitive niche.
      You'll do better than EZA will. I hope!

      Originally Posted by Elion Makkink View Post

      I think one has to make a choice between SEO traffic and traffic from directories in that case
      Excuse my bluntness, please, Elion, but this is really completely wrong.

      Article marketing isn't about traffic from search engines, and it isn't about traffic from article directories, either.

      "Traffic", in the sense of "potential customers", doesn't look in article directories! Publishers look in article directories.

      No article marketer wants an article in a directory outranking one on his own site!

      It will really, really help you a lot to read this post and this post, and have a click on their links. At the moment, you're missing the point in a pretty fundamental way.
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      • Profile picture of the author Elion Makkink
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        Excuse my bluntness, please, Elion, but this is really completely wrong.
        No problem, I'm looking for new ways to attract traffic and outsourced some article writing that gets submitted to a lot of directories. Already ordered, so I'll await the results!

        Thanks for the suggestions, will read them now!
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  • Profile picture of the author Randy27
    It used to be the most powerful of all.
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    • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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      Well, Alexa already got all the good answers in, so I'll just drop off my endorsement for article marketing. It is the basis of my entire traffic strategy, and my bank account thanks me for it every month .

      Originally Posted by Randy27 View Post

      It used to be, still is, and will be for the foreseeable future the most powerful of all.
      Fixed that for you.
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      • Profile picture of the author fin
        Originally Posted by Joe Robinson View Post

        Well, Alexa already got all the good answers in, so I'll just drop off my endorsement for article marketing. It is the basis of my entire traffic strategy, and my coke dealer/local knocking shop thanks me for it every month .
        And I for you .
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        • Profile picture of the author myob
          Originally Posted by Joe Robinson View Post

          Well, Alexa already got all the good answers in, so I'll just drop off my endorsement for article marketing. It is the basis of my entire traffic strategy, and my banker, stock broker, real estate agent, beer/pizza delivery guy, and bookie thank me every week.
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          Fixed that for you.
          Originally Posted by fin View Post

          And I for you .
          And I for both of you.
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          • Profile picture of the author danfac2012
            Always remember to use Copyscape to check to ensure that your articles content are not duplicate.
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          • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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            Originally Posted by fin View Post

            And I for you .
            Originally Posted by myob View Post

            And I for both of you.
            I'm starting to wonder how so many people know where my money goes....
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  • Profile picture of the author valmillercorl
    Alexa you are incredibly helpful! I look for your responses to learn more all the time so thank you for that!

    I agree that quality content for articles on your own site is the best way to go.

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  • Profile picture of the author Peter Hansen
    Article Marketing is suitable for promoting products or branding in general. This can work well for certain purposes. Buying syndicated articles, however, usually doesn’t increase search engine popularity. If Google can tell that it’s the same article that appears on other sites, it won’t bother to include it in its index since it would be redundant.

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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by Peter Hansen View Post

      If Google can tell that it's the same article that appears on other sites, it won't bother to include it in its index since it would be redundant.
      Sorry: this is incorrect, Peter (as you've worded it).

      Multiple copies of identical articles are indexed by Google. All my syndicated article copies are always indexed.

      They may not always be displayed to you in the main index (that typically happens about 85% of the time): you might have to inspect the copies in the supplemental index to see them, but they're there, and their backlinks carry exactly the same (albeit usually small) weight as they would if they were the one in the main index.

      Here's the point:-
      • The value of any given backlink in any given position on any given page of the web does not somehow, magically, depend on whether the content to which it's attached has previously been indexed. (Even the people struggling to sell their unnecessary spinning software and services are not alleging that!)
      Sorry if I seem a little pedantic about it, but for some people it's a rather significant point, and to assert that "Google doesn't index" multiple copies really is entirely mistaken.
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  • Profile picture of the author hazyl lee
    One question.. Is bum marketing still work? I personally think that if u pump in a lot of articles.. That makes u the expert of the niche.. So people will trust u.. Is that true?
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    • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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      Originally Posted by hazyl lee View Post

      One question.. Is bum marketing still work? I personally think that if u pump in a lot of articles.. That makes u the expert of the niche.. So people will trust u.. Is that true?
      Nope. I could go pick a niche and by the end of the day pump out 20 crappy 500 word articles on it. That doesn't make the content any good and it certainly doesn't make me look like an expert on the topic.

      Quality over quantity people, quality over quantity.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by hazyl lee View Post

      Is bum marketing still work?
      It depends what you mean by "bum marketing".

      People mean two different things, by this term. (And they're divided about 50/50).

      If you're referring to direct linking from an article to a sales page, without having your own website between the two and building a list, then no: it doesn't work for anything more than the very occasional, random sale. For a big variety of reasons, of which I'll briefly mention only two: first, the articles won't be found by potential customers, after all the Panda updates; secondly, an article alone doesn't normally carry effective enough "pre-selling and credibility-building and trust-building" content actually to lead to a sale. There's a longer explanation in this post (you can mentally substitute the words "affiliate sales" where it says "ClickBank sales"): http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5210243

      Originally Posted by hazyl lee View Post

      I personally think that if u pump in a lot of articles.. That makes u the expert of the niche.. So people will trust u.. Is that true?
      No, it isn't true at all. But more importantly, having 10,000 articles instead of 10 articles doesn't make any difference if nobody actually reads them. And these days, that's what happens. Article directories have lost most of their customer traffic (thankfully). It's far better to have one article and get it widely syndicated in front of customers. But to do that, your article has to be both (a) written for syndication and (b) actually syndicated.

      Quality leads everywhere (including to quantity); quantity alone leads absolutely nowhere.

      That's why so many of the people who had the "large numbers of articles approach" 5 years ago are no longer even making a living from it. The truth is that they never actually had real businesses at all, just a "rinse and repeat" model, which was dependent on Google and dried up as soon as they stopped churning out thousands of what they imagined were "articles", and they stopped doing that when people stopped being able to find and read them because Google finally dropped a hammer on the article directories.
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      • Profile picture of the author aelara
        Articles and marketing. Two words that mean two different things. Join them together though and people get totally confused. Comparing the article marketing of today with the article marketing of the pre-Panda/Penguin days is, in my opinion, like comparing the differences between night and day.

        When talking about article marketing today, we obviously mean (for the most part) guest posting on other people's blogs/websites. But we mustn't forget other areas that haven't been affected by Panda/Penguin, such as long, concise, compelling articles on Web 2.0 sites such as Squidoo and Hubpages, for example.

        If I had one piece of advice to give though, it would be this: concentrate on your own content first (i.e. content on your site/blog) before thinking about "giving" someone else your hard work. Once you are satisfied with the quality/quantity of content on your own site, then is the time for article marketing.

        PS I have been registered on this forum since January 2008 and this is my first post, lol
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          Originally Posted by aelara View Post

          PS I have been registered on this forum since January 2008 and this is my first post, lol
          I feel very cheeky "welcoming" you, when you registered as a member 8 months before me ...

          But welcome anyway, and if that's a sample of what you could have been posting here for the last 4+ years, I wish you'd started earlier: I wouldn't have minded knowing that in September 2008 when I started, rather than taking months to work it out!
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          • Profile picture of the author aelara
            Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

            I feel very cheeky "welcoming" you, when you registered as a member 8 months before me ...

            But welcome anyway, and if that's a sample of what you could have been posting here for the last 4+ years, I wish you'd started earlier: I wouldn't have minded knowing that in September 2008 when I started, rather than taking months to work it out!
            Thanks very much.

            It's really been a case of not really having time, to be honest with you. My business keeps me super-busy but I am trying to make a concerted effort to be more "sociable." After all, it can only be good for business
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    It was absolutely great for me to generate traffic for my website.
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    • Profile picture of the author andrewm
      Alexia,

      Thanks for pointing me in this direction. I asked a similar question on another thread but did not see it anymore. I guess it was deleted since it was referring to this same topic.

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      • Profile picture of the author celente
        Originally Posted by andrewm View Post

        Alexia,

        Thanks for pointing me in this direction. I asked a similar question on another thread but did not see it anymore. I guess it was deleted since it was referring to this same topic.

        Andrew
        i doubt it was deleted.

        Many people still come here and ask what article directories they should be spamming too.

        Not something you want to be doing. BUM marketing is sort of dead now....and article syndication is in. Infact we have been doing it since 2010, and with our testing, we know what works and what doesnt.

        There is more than enough info in the warrior forum detailing exactly what syndiation or article syndication actually is.. So I suggest you go back and use the search function.
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  • Profile picture of the author vtotheyouknow
    If you've addressed this before, Alexa, I do apologize, but what's the difference between your biz model and blogging, proper?
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by vtotheyouknow View Post

      If you've addressed this before, Alexa, I do apologize, but what's the difference between your biz model and blogging, proper?
      I never quite know exactly what people mean by "blogging".

      All my websites are made with blogging software, and they all get updated regularly with new posts/articles, so does that mean that what I'm doing is "blogging"? Well, maybe (I don't really think of it as "blogging", myself, but technically I suppose it is?). It's kind of ambiguous, though, these days, isn't it? What's the difference between a "blog" and a "non-blog site"? You can make sites with blogging software that don't look anything like "blogs", but equally you can make what look like blogs, which can be regularly updated, without "blogging software"?

      The main income-producing parts of my business model are:-

      (i) the article syndication, though, which I've described here: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5035794 , and ...

      (ii) the list-building and communications, which is discussed here: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post6123982

      I'm still not sure whether I've actually answered your question, though? Sorry.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sarafantrys
    article marketing is still powerful if you use it not for SEO but for direct traffic to your cpa or affiliate offers.
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  • Profile picture of the author vtotheyouknow
    You've mentioned that you write for syndication (i.e. controversial, humorous) and I guess when I think of blogging I'm thinking more of "epic", pillar-type content that doesn't necessarily lend itself to syndication as well as an article designed specifically to push those buttons.

    The niche I'm in can be a bit technical (martial arts) so I'm caught between writing "good" content and writing stuff that gets syndicated more. NO reason I can't do both I suppose but thought we may benefit from your experience, yet again :-P
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by vtotheyouknow View Post

      I guess when I think of blogging I'm thinking more of "epic", pillar-type content that doesn't necessarily lend itself to syndication as well as an article designed specifically to push those buttons.
      Ah yes, I see what you mean - sorry. I do try to have some bits of what you might call "pillar-type content" on my sites, but I don't so much think of that as "articles" (and I don't try to get it syndicated). So, in that sense, some of what I'm doing is "blogging", I think you might say?

      Originally Posted by vtotheyouknow View Post

      NO reason I can't do both I suppose
      No - I think that's right.

      Originally Posted by vtotheyouknow View Post

      thought we may benefit from your experience
      You'll have a long wait, for that, on the subject of martial arts ...
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      • Profile picture of the author Elion Makkink
        I've sent you a PM Alexa regarding this topic, would love some feedback from you!
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        • Profile picture of the author mrsvirtualassistant
          Article marketing still is one of the most powerful and effective SEO tools. If done properly, it can boost your traffic and increase brand awareness. Make sure you write valuable content and then submit it to well established sites with high page rank.
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          • Profile picture of the author Elion Makkink
            Originally Posted by mrsvirtualassistant View Post

            Make sure you write valuable content and then submit it to well established sites with high page rank.
            What kind of well established sites with a high page rank do you refer to?

            And how about combining the two, submitting 70% of the articles your write to your own website and the other 30% to these websites?

            Since I'm terrible in getting good backlinks, only releasing articles to my own site (without further promotion) won't get me a lot of traffic (due to a highly competitive niche).

            And how about using the article directories for backlinks? I guess Alexa would say this is pointless since the subpage has a 0 PR anyway.
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            • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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              Originally Posted by ProAffiliate01 View Post

              Still, I think links are better than no links as long as you know what you are doing.
              If we're talking article directory links, then no links is just about the same as 50,000 links from there. They're literally worth next to nothing.

              Now getting your work syndicated, and having that link come from a relevant and established website from within your niche is highly valuable. The best part is that this is just a happy side effect. You'll pull most of your traffic in from that website's visitors.

              You'll still get the relevant backlink too, and some sweet Google rankings over time; but Google ends up accounting for only about 10-20% of your traffic (at the moment it is 9% for me).

              Trust me, you want it that way.

              Originally Posted by Elion Makkink View Post

              And how about using the article directories for backlinks? I guess Alexa would say this is pointless since the subpage has a 0 PR anyway.
              See above.
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            • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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              Originally Posted by Elion Makkink View Post

              And how about using the article directories for backlinks? I guess Alexa would say this is pointless since the subpage has a 0 PR anyway.
              Perfectly true, but even that is by no means the main reason.

              The main reasons are:-

              (i) They're non-context-relevant (hence the observation that "100,000 of those backlinks and $3.50 will buy you a cappuccino at Starbuck's"): seriously, even a year before the Panda updates massacred the article directories' linkjuice, the standard SEO textbook authors were saying these were useless backlinks;

              (ii) Now, in the light of the Penguin update, this is something one would want to avoid in bulk (i.e. large numbers of directories) because they "look automated" and that can have strongly negative effects on your off-page SEO.

              Using article directories for their own backlinks is a fallacy, as explained here. And here.

              http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...ml#post6085045

              http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5068872

              http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...ml#post6195942

              http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post6021235

              Apologies Elion - I owe you a p.m. - coming up later.
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          • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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            Originally Posted by mrsvirtualassistant View Post

            Article marketing still is one of the most powerful and effective SEO tools.
            On the contrary, Mrs. VA: article marketing isn't an "SEO tool" at all. :rolleyes:

            You're several years out of date, there, I'm afraid. It's a traffic generation method in its own right.

            Originally Posted by mrsvirtualassistant View Post

            Make sure you write valuable content and then submit it to well established sites with high page rank.
            This isn't quite right. Page ranks have almost nothing to do with it at all. What matters is to have them published and indexed on your own site first and then submit them to relevant, quality sites in your niche so that you can get targeted traffic from them (and relevant backlinks, which - unlike those from higher-PR non-relevant pages - are actually worth having and won't get your site penalized for over-optimization).

            I stopped believing in page ranks when Google did, more or less.

            We can all see for ourselves in Google's SERP's, these days, the regularity with which lower-PR pages with fewer incoming backlinks are outranking higher-PR pages with far more incoming backlinks. Rankings are primarily about quality and relevance, just as Google has been saying they would be - not page ranks or "numbers of backlinks".

            There are still some people in a state of denial about that, though. Two main groups of them: the ones still trying to sell "backlinking services"/"automated submissions" and the graduates of the "Urban Myth School of Internet Marketing".

            In any case, whatever the page rank of the home page of an article directory or Web 2.0 site, your article in it, just like mine, is going on its own PR-0 page. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but that's how the web works: websites don't "have page ranks", you see - only pages have page ranks.
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  • Profile picture of the author hostsdepot
    A lot of people published their articles in my websites' blog parts with three links back to their websites. I am not sure whether it is useful or not.

    I run a business forum but they are online shopping products.

    Do you think they are related or not ?
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  • Profile picture of the author ProAffiliate01
    Article marketing may be useful still. However, it just doesn't have the same purpose as it did previously. Still, I think links are better than no links as long as you know what you are doing.
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  • Profile picture of the author schttrj
    To reiterate Alexa's point...

    It's again come back to originality and quality.

    If you have a highly popular blog, you don't need to post into any article directories for that matter. For "those" publishers will already have found you through your blog.

    If you don't have a highly popular blog already, you can try out the online content platforms, where publishers might have a chance of finding you and getting in touch with you.

    And they will always go to places that boast of quality. So, it all comes down to quality in the end.
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    Yes it is helpful and beneficial too!
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  • Profile picture of the author Tspringer
    I find this thread very interesting. I have been building my site for the past 6 months including over 100 professionally written articles - all done by a full time professional medical research writer, I know the articles are among the best content on the subject on the web.

    I am learning and planning now about how to better leverage all this content to drive more traffic as my product (membership site based on a comprehensive web application with mobile companion apps) nears completion. So article marketing - HOW to do it best - is near the top of my list.

    What I am learning here is both very valuable - and very confusing.

    Alexa's posts are hugely helpful and she clearly knows what she is talking about - but then again much of what she says goes directly against what I have learned from other authorities including on this site.

    For example... Joseph Archibald's 40 Day Challenge - he used (and still uses - effectively) the sort of article spinning and article marketing strategy to rank sites that is being totally shot down here. Pat Flynn's "The Backlinking Strategy that works" thread... which has gotten over 1500 comments and that he has documented as being effective at ranking sites - is also based on Josephs theories on article marketing.... again, using tactics and strategies that being completely shot down here as worthless.

    So what we have is multiple "experts" - all who appear to know FAR more than I do - who are telling us things that are totally in conflict and utterly opposed to one another.

    Sucks for someone trying to figure out what to do.

    I have 2 domains that I own in my niche that I have planned to use as "feeder" sites for my main site. I am giving serious consideration to building both out at the same time and using article marketing as the only means of promotion for each. For one of them I would use the Alexa method.... for the other the Joseph Archibald method. Then see which one ranks faster and higher.

    Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm


    Terry
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by Tspringer View Post

      His site rankings have survived both Panda and Penguin.
      Even if all that's true, it still doesn't follow that someone starting off now can duplicate that, hello.

      Originally Posted by Tspringer View Post

      So what we have is multiple "experts" - all who appear to know FAR more than I do - who are telling us things that are totally in conflict and utterly opposed to one another.
      Not my impression at all, I have to say. In my experience here, all the people whom I know to be successful with article marketing, i.e. actually making a living from it, rather than repeating misguided myths, are typically saying exactly the same things. Of course, I recognise that that's necessarily very much easier for me to see than for you, because I've known many of these people pretty well for 2 - 3 years, or whatever.

      Originally Posted by Tspringer View Post

      Sucks for someone trying to figure out what to do.
      Again, I look at it differently.

      Whether it "sucks" depends on what you compare it with. At least in this instance you're aware that there are two schools of "thought" (I honestly feel one of them justifies the inverted commas, because a detailed examination shows it up to be based on verifiable, factual errors!) rather than just - as on so many other IM-related subjects - having one very widely (in fact almost universally) expressed consensus of opinion here, which is itself completely ill-informed and mistaken, as was the case when I started. Seriously, and literally. :p

      Originally Posted by Tspringer View Post

      Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
      That's easy for you to say ...

      Good luck, Terry!
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  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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    I have 2 domains that I own in my niche that I have planned to use as "feeder" sites for my main site. I am giving serious consideration to building both out at the same time and using article marketing as the only means of promotion for each. For one of them I would use the Alexa method.... for the other the Joseph Archibald method. Then see which one ranks faster and higher.
    That right there will solve your quandary: testing .

    I can't comment on the two guys you mentioned. I have literally never heard of them before this post. I guess I'll have to research to see what they are saying before commenting on it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tspringer
      Originally Posted by Joe Robinson View Post

      That right there will solve your quandary: testing .

      I can't comment on the two guys you mentioned. I have literally never heard of them before this post. I guess I'll have to research to see what they are saying before commenting on it.

      Go here:

      THE Backlinking Strategy That Works

      Basically - Pat has built and ranked #1 in Google multiple sites using a backlinking strategy that involves as a key component spinning and posting articles to article directories and then blasting those articles with mass backlinks - EXACTLY what Alexa and others say is completely worthless.

      His site rankings have survived both Panda and Penguin.

      Pat does ok in his IM biz.



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      • Profile picture of the author danr62
        Originally Posted by Tspringer View Post

        Go here:

        THE Backlinking Strategy That Works

        Basically - Pat has built and ranked #1 in Google multiple sites using a backlinking strategy that involves as a key component spinning and posting articles to article directories and then blasting those articles with mass backlinks - EXACTLY what Alexa and others say is completely worthless.

        His site rankings have survived both Panda and Penguin.

        Pat does ok in his IM biz.



        Terry
        Here's my opinion on Pat's backlinking strategy and why it works for him:

        He created an awesome site in an underserved nich with well researched content. His outsourcer for this site actually called authorities in each state (when the information couldn't be found elsewhere) and got the information that was needed to write the articles. The site was also built to be user friendly and easy to navigate.

        That is THE foundation of Pat's niche site. His backlinking strategy helped it along, no doubt, but his commitment to quality is the backbone of the whole shebang.

        I think he could have done well without all of the spinning and mass backlinking he did.
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  • Profile picture of the author koreancowboy
    Thanks for all of your valuable information Alexa...I've learned so much from you!

    I do have a question though, and it pertains to something that you mentioned in one of your links (Your article writing isn't working, and here's why)...

    Where do I find the places that I need to submit my articles to? I've got about 60 articles on my site now, and I feel that they're ready to be submitted for syndication (they're already indexed).
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  • Profile picture of the author asuran
    There are tons of places you can submit to and create account on in minutes if you are using article marketing robot.
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  • Profile picture of the author jay walters
    it still works. I've even doing a 3 month course on it.
    It's better to outsource this part of your business so
    you can have time to do the other marketing stuff
    that some of us hate to embrace at times.
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    • Profile picture of the author andrewm
      Alexia,

      If my article is posted to my site first, and also indexed by goggle, are you saying that I can take the same Article and post to an article directory like Ezine articles without being concern that goggle will find the article at Ezine first?

      I am concern that if my site is new in google eyes that Ezine will be given preference first, over my site, when someone searches using my keyword.

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      • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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        Originally Posted by andrewm View Post

        Alexia,

        If my article is posted to my site first, and also indexed by goggle, are you saying that I can take the same Article and post to an article directory like Ezine articles without being concern that goggle will find the article at Ezine first?

        I am concern that if my site is new in google eyes that Ezine will be given preference first, over my site, when someone searches using my keyword.

        Andrew
        That won't be a problem at all. As long as your article was indexed on your site first, it will be "favored" by Google. Trust me, they would much rather have your website ranking than an article directory article. Been that way ever since Panda.
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        • Profile picture of the author Tangycontent
          Originally Posted by Joe Robinson View Post

          That won't be a problem at all. As long as your article was indexed on your site first, it will be "favored" by Google. Trust me, they would much rather have your website ranking than an article directory article. Been that way ever since Panda.
          Or, you could just use authorship and avoid these issues entirely.

          Authorship ? Inside Search ? Google
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          • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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            Originally Posted by Tangycontent View Post

            Or, you could just use authorship and avoid these issues entirely.

            Authorship ? Inside Search ? Google
            He's trying to force Google+ on us !

            Lol. I've actually not heard of that feature before now.
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            • Profile picture of the author danr62
              Originally Posted by Joe Robinson View Post

              He's trying to force Google+ on us !

              Lol. I've actually not heard of that feature before now.
              It's pretty cool to see your picture in Google next to your article in a SERP. Plus, you don't really need to use G+. You can just set up your profile and then ignore G+ to your heart's content.

              Personally, I enjoy G+ but that's just me.
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              • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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                Originally Posted by danr62 View Post

                It's pretty cool to see your picture in Google next to your article in a SERP. Plus, you don't really need to use G+. You can just set up your profile and then ignore G+ to your heart's content.

                Personally, I enjoy G+ but that's just me.
                It's on my to do list to play around with. I just hope it doesn't end up being another social network to keep track of. Facebook is enough and I ran out of funny tweets, well I never had funny tweets.
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Originally Posted by andrewm View Post

        I am concern that if my site is new in google eyes that Ezine will be given preference first, over my site, when someone searches using my keyword.
        That can happen very temporarily, when your site's brand new.

        The more often you do that (i.e. submit to EZA after indexation on your site), the more temporary it will be, and before you know it, you'll be outranking EZA.

        Which copy appears in Google's main index and which ones only in the supplemental index can change, too: don't imagine that if the EZA copy appears to outrank your own tomorrow, that it necessarily will next month, too.

        It's only if you do it the other way round that you shoot your own site in the foot and end up with a site that can't outrank an article directory. That accident's getting rarer all the time, though, because the directories (including EZA) have lost so much of their ranking power. As Joe says, Google wants your site to rank, in principle, not EZA's.
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        • Profile picture of the author andrewm
          Thank You Alexia and Other Fellow Warriors,

          I have learn so much just following the responses. I am so glad that I asked my original question on another thread and was led to this thread through Alexia, one on the same topic.

          It appears to be all about Syndication of Articles to Article directories, rather than just posting to the directories for back links and traffic. Syndication of articles will bring more traffic overtime. Alexia, you are Brilliant.

          Andrew


          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

          That can happen very temporarily, when your site's brand new.

          The more often you do that (i.e. submit to EZA after indexation on your site), the more temporary it will be, and before you know it, you'll be outranking EZA.

          Which copy appears in Google's main index and which ones only in the supplemental index can change, too: don't imagine that if the EZA copy appears to outrank your own tomorrow, that it necessarily will next month, too.

          It's only if you do it the other way round that you shoot your own site in the foot and end up with a site that can't outrank an article directory. That accident's getting rarer all the time, though, because the directories (including EZA) have lost so much of their ranking power. As Joe says, Google wants your site to rank, in principle, not EZA's.
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          • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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            Originally Posted by andrewm View Post

            Thank You Alexa and Other Fellow Warriors,
            Someday they'll refer to us by name too guys.

            Someday            .



            :p
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            • Profile picture of the author andrewm
              Joe, Danr62 and Tangycontent,

              I am so sorry for not calling everyone by name , . I guess I got distracted by Alexia's avatar.

              Joe, I really appreciate the assistance of everyone. I got caught up and was lazy for not calling everyone by name that assisted me. I did put a thanks by you profile earlier though.

              Andrew

              Originally Posted by Joe Robinson View Post

              Someday they'll refer to us by name too guys.

              Someday              .



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  • Profile picture of the author CyborgX
    I am new in WF and I've already become a fan of some of you guys. I enjoy reading you responses. It's worth reading. I know a little about this stuff so I will just read and appreciate you all.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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    Don't worry Andrew, I was only fooling around. You see, when I find an opportunity to post a funny picture, I take it.

    I certainly wasn't offended, and I doubt any of the others were . You're all good.
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  • Profile picture of the author eman1
    Article marketing has been and continues to be good way to build backlinks and to get long-term website traffic. With the latest google updates article marketing is not as powerful as it was at one time, but it is still useful as a long-term traffic strategy along with other strategies.
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    • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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      Originally Posted by eman1 View Post

      Article marketing has been and continues to be good way to build backlinks and to get long-term website traffic.
      If we're talking about the backlinks you get from having your work syndicated to relevant sites, then yes you are right. Article directory backlinks are not going to do anything for you.

      Originally Posted by eman1 View Post

      With the latest google updates article marketing is not as powerful as it was at one time,
      Article directory marketing isn't. It may just be that threads are melting together for me, but hasn't this already been covered in earlier posts? Probably has.

      Originally Posted by eman1 View Post

      but it is still useful as a long-term traffic strategy along with other strategies.
      Well at least that much is true, just not in the way you were trying to describe it :rolleyes:.
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  • Profile picture of the author carl preza
    As long you don't spam and have unique articles, article marketing still works.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jacky Murdock
    Of course it is! It depends how you do it, on quality of your articles, on your calls to action and other things.
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  • Profile picture of the author Elion Makkink
    Alexa, you still haven't responded to my PM yet

    Still a bit confused, regarding traffic generation, what is the best way to use lets say 20 unique 500-word articles for a complete new website?
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  • Profile picture of the author mikelukjaniec
    If you know what you're doing and your article format ticks all the boxes, you can get an awful lot of consistent traffic, over a long period of time! Article Marketing works!
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  • Profile picture of the author Richard Miller
    HARO is not bad service. But it's too hard to submit an article there.
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