My Top 5 list-building secrets...

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or.. the 5 quickest and gosh darn BEST ways I know of growing a list FAST...

(and only one of them costs any money - yay!)

5) Good ol' adswaps (and other cross-promotion)... find a JV and cross-promote with adswaps, banner-swaps, thankyou page offers... This is such an effective way of doubling up on traffic :-) Oh, don't over do the adswaps though... I learnt that one the HARD way :-O

4) Get your gift into other people's sales funnels. Offer it as a bonus to as many jv partners as you can find and let them know they can add it to their download page as a special gift to their buyers... obviously they have to sign up to get the gift... so you get subs :-) This is a win - win - win... The buyers get an extra bonus gift, the JV gets to appear better in the eyes of his subs as he is giving them more than they asked for, and you get more subs! WOO- HOO

3) Hold a VIP / Private Giveaway. I have NO IDEA why these aren't more popular. Probably the easiest way ever of growing a list - you don't even need a gift to give away! Just find 4 or 5 list owners to each agree to send a fixed number of clicks to your VIP giveaway, and sit back and let the subs come rolling in :-) They're all happy as they typically get a 125% - 150% return on their clicks, and you're super happy cos you get subs for very little work :-) Please note I DO NOT recommend that beginners attempt a traditional style "JV Giveaway" event... the scripts are very expensive and the work load is far too much for a newbie... but these mini ones are perfect!

2) Solo ads. The only method in the 5 that will cost you any money, but it's still one of my faves because it is SO GOSH DARN EASY! You literally pay someone money (after going through a few checks with them to ensure they are legit) and they send you prospects. What could be more beautifully simple than that? Top tips to maximise the solo ad - have a low-price but high - value offer on the thankyou page after the prospects sigh up to immediately reclaim some of the cost of the solo. On a good day, this can actually pay for itself straight away. Other tip is to have an exit pop offering a different free gift to capture some of the people trying to leave the page without signing up. Prob best to only stop them once though! 15 exit pops in a row gets kind of annoying :-S

1) Create a product, pay affilliates 100% commission to promote it. Work really hard to get the EPCs (earnings per click) nice and juicy and you wont be able to stop the affiliates sending you more and more traffic. Work in a few upsells and some high-ticket items into the follow up sequence to make more money for yourself and your affs. This is my FAVOURITE method as it builds a list of people that have bought from you once... and are therefore more likely to buy from you again (as long as they had a good experience, of course). Oh, you can also use an exit pop here too to capture a few more leads :-)

Now you have a nice juicy subscriber list... build an awesome relationship with them by... SHOCK HORROR.... treating your subscribers like PEOPLE and not numbers or "clicks"... then, when you mail them promotional offers of stuff that will GENUINELY help them (ie no crap) then they will accept your word as a trusted authority and BUY LOADS.

Then you get to buy more solo ads and do more for your subs, then they buy more from you. It's a whole "wheel of karma", "circle of virtue", "abundance" thang.

Peace and Key Lime Pie (now go grow that list :-))

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  • Profile picture of the author Kal Sallam
    You got it Phil!

    I love that you talked about "Integration Marketing" as it is something that is rarely discussed.
    I do all but ad-swaps, I feel like I am giving my hard earned subscribers away.

    Ppc and Banner ads top my list!

    You have know idea what one Banner ad on a popular forum or blog can do,
    sometimes its insane amount of clicks for really cheap.
    I'm talking 250 per month Banner for like 2k clicks!

    The best thing about banners and ppc/ppv is that the traffic generated is highquality traffic.

    Solos are really good but second best, but that's just me.
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    • Profile picture of the author Phil Ainsworth
      Originally Posted by Kal Sallam View Post

      I'm talking 250 per month Banner for like 2k clicks!
      Crikey! I wont abuse your good nature by asking which forum but, fair play mate.. that's a GREAT find!
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      • Profile picture of the author Kal Sallam
        Originally Posted by Phil Ainsworth View Post

        Crikey! I wont abuse your good nature by asking which forum but, fair play mate.. that's a GREAT find!
        Yup I love banners, it takes a minute to find a winning camping, to be honest.
        A simple Google search plus some testing should get you somewhere.

        I have also used ad networks like adbrite.com very sucsessfully.

        Here is the trick though once you find a good site with good traffic,
        Stop your ad campaigns and work directly with the site owner
        And that means even cheaper traffic
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        • Profile picture of the author Shaun Tango
          Some great methods Phil. Solo ads generally only work in the IM niche from what I've seen though, I haven't been able to find any in my non IM niches...

          A question about point number 3; you mention you don't need a gift for the give away. So what do get for signing up? And how to the list owners benefit?

          This is the only method you mentioned which I've never heard of before, so interested to hear a bit more about it.
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          • Profile picture of the author Phil Ainsworth
            Originally Posted by Paul Dunstan View Post

            Phil,

            Can I just say that your lightning Fast List Builder course is awesome. Nearly finished watching the videos now (gone through all the interviews). I will certainly be adding some of this into my own content!!

            One thing I struggle with is getting affiliates to promote my 100% commission offer. Lee can do it because he already has a name - but that is the bit that I find the hardest. Any thoughts on getting over that?

            Paul Dunstan
            GREAT :-) Glad you like the course Paul...Put as much of it into action as you can mate :-)

            Getting affilliates to promote is actually easy than you think it is buddy... Most people are too scared to ask. My best advice is to focus on smaller affilliates first as the big names are less likely to promote you (until you get big, that is). Make sure your EPCs (earnings per click) are nice and high (ideally over a dollar per click) and most smaller affiliates in your niche will be keen to promote you. (upsells, high converting sales copy and bonuses should help the EPC. Oh and obviously a kick ass product with loads of good reviews :-) )

            The JV forum on here is a good place to make friends and meet people, plus also don't be shy of promoting for other people and then asking them
            if they'll return the favour. Then treat your affiliates like gold and grow from there. Also don't be shy of asking affiliates to recommend other friends of theirs to you... once you get networking it gets easier :-)

            Best advice I can give you is focus on making the deal as good as you can for your affs and your customers :-) Always look at everything from their point of view :-) You should be the LEAST important person in your business (I come last in mine!)

            Originally Posted by Shaun Tango View Post

            Some great methods Phil. Solo ads generally only work in the IM niche from what I've seen though, I haven't been able to find any in my non IM niches...

            A question about point number 3; you mention you don't need a gift for the give away. So what do get for signing up? And how to the list owners benefit?

            This is the only method you mentioned which I've never heard of before, so interested to hear a bit more about it.
            Solo ads are harder to find outside of the IM niche, but if you contact ezine or newsletter directories they offer a similar service in all sorts of niches. Plus.. ask around.. many IMers do have lists in other niches :-)

            Ahh, I'm glad the old VIP giveaway caught your attention... 'tis truly a fabulous method of listbuilding :-)

            You know the big jv giveaway events? The ones where hundreds of people contribute free gifts? Well, they work well and the organisers of those can make 1000s of new subs by holding one... BUT the software is expensive and they take A LOT of time to organise and moderate.

            VIP giveaways are mini-versions with no software and very little organisation required.

            Imagine you get 4 big list owners to each agree to send 100 clicks to your VIP giveaway event. You tell them the date and time to start sending the clicks and everyone agrees to start sending clicks within an agreed time limit and also to ensure that ALL clicks are sent by a second time limit (typically with in a few hours to start sending clicks and within a week to send all clicks)

            Ok, so this now means that these 4 people will be sending a total of 400 clicks to your event. But what is your event? Well basically, a squeeze page telling people to sign up and join the event to claim their free gifts... they sign up, get on your list and are then taken to a thank you page upon which the 4 jv partners gifts are offered... obviously the attendees then sign up for whatever gifts they like and everyone wins :-)

            Typically, in a 4 or 5 way event people will get back an extra 25% clicks back for the ones they send... so in this event they could expect 125 clicks back in return for sending 100... so its better for them than a normal adswap. Very often they can do even better than this.

            It's brilliant for you because you get ALL the clicks, your only job is to organise the event and to ensure everyone delivers the clicks (that's pretty much the only thing that can go wrong)

            Some event organisers incentivise things by offering cash prizes or free mail outs to the list after the event... all this stuff helps too

            So in other words, you don't need a list yourself, or a gift (cos your "gift" is access to the event) or any financial investment :-)

            Hope that helps, pm me if you need it explaining any better :-)

            Peace and Lemon Meringue Pie

            Phil Ainsworth
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            • Profile picture of the author Shaun Tango
              Originally Posted by Phil Ainsworth View Post


              Hope that helps, pm me if you need it explaining any better :-)

              Peace and Lemon Meringue Pie

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              Thanks for the explaination, sounds good. Might give it a try some time.
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    • Profile picture of the author eternalwarrior
      250 per month Banner for like 2k clicks, seriously? That's awesome.

      I never had success with banner ads

      Originally Posted by Kal Sallam View Post

      You got it Phil!

      I love that you talked about "Integration Marketing" as it is something that is rarely discussed.
      I do all but ad-swaps, I feel like I am giving my hard earned subscribers away.

      Ppc and Banner ads top my list!

      You have know idea what one Banner ad on a popular forum or blog can do,
      sometimes its insane amount of clicks for really cheap.
      I'm talking 250 per month Banner for like 2k clicks!

      The best thing about banners and ppc/ppv is that the traffic generated is highquality traffic.

      Solos are really good but second best, but that's just me.
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  • Profile picture of the author AndrewStark
    You forgot the most important thing, having a quality product that people actually want.

    No point in doing all of this list building if what you're using as a lead magnet that is a 3 year old PLR report which is now useless.

    Oh, and would you have posted this list had you not just listed a WSO about fast listbuilding?
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    • Profile picture of the author Phil Ainsworth
      Originally Posted by AndrewStark View Post

      You forgot the most important thing, having a quality product that people actually want.

      No point in doing all of this list building if what you're using as a lead magnet that is a 3 year old PLR report which is now useless.

      Oh, and would you have posted this list had you not just listed a WSO about fast listbuilding?

      Fair point Andrew, I guess I was assuming a certain level of basic knowledge (although you DON'T actually need a gift to give away to grow a list.. please see points 1 and 3 above for proof)

      Would I have posted this list if I hadn't just listed a WSO about fast listbuilding?

      YES, obviously, as that WSO is over a year old, man (listed March 1st 2011). I posted this because a lot of people have been asking about solo ads on here over the last couple of days, so I thought I'd share the benefit of my listbuilding knowledge.

      And if a few people want to click on my banner as a result of that... good bleeding luck to them :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Dunstan
    Phil,

    Can I just say that your lightning Fast List Builder course is awesome. Nearly finished watching the videos now (gone through all the interviews). I will certainly be adding some of this into my own content!!

    One thing I struggle with is getting affiliates to promote my 100% commission offer. Lee can do it because he already has a name - but that is the bit that I find the hardest. Any thoughts on getting over that?

    Paul Dunstan
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  • Profile picture of the author jrpventures
    thanks for the tips. My list is growing slow but it's growing. i'm going to do a solo ad soon
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  • Profile picture of the author CoryVanGeest
    Great tips!
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    very nice
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  • Profile picture of the author OnlineMoneyKid
    Great tips Phil. Growing your list has to be the hardest task of all. That is the hardest task. Definitely a great list of tips to follow. Thanks for sharing.

    Cheers
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    • Profile picture of the author Phil Ainsworth
      Originally Posted by OnlineMoneyKid View Post

      Great tips Phil. Growing your list has to be the hardest task of all. That is the hardest task. Definitely a great list of tips to follow. Thanks for sharing.

      Cheers
      Lloyd
      Hey Lloyd, I think what you are saying there is growing a list CAN be the hardest task of all, if you are following bad advice or maybe new to IM... hopefully you can see that if you use the tips above it doesn't have to be hard at all.. and the rewards are well worth it :-)
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    Good Stuff, Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author GuyDon
    Thanks for sharing ..
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  • Profile picture of the author Aswad
    Thanks for sharing Phil..

    I love the idea you present. I know all this tips but it takes courage to invest time and effort to make it happen.
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  • Profile picture of the author suziewong
    Hi Phil,
    Thanks for the great tips. There's a couple there I knew of but haven't implemented. You've given me the spurt I need to take action.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ronak Shah
    Is there a way to build a list organically instead of the 5 methods you showed?

    I am using solo ads and they're expensive.

    I am getting 32% conversion rate with double optin and I have lost 50 subscribers to no confirmation to their subscription. Don't know how to get them to confirm their email address again. Can you show me that too?

    I am using aweber and I have 165 subscribers only from 2 solo ads.
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Dunstan
      Originally Posted by Ronak Shah View Post

      Is there a way to build a list organically instead of the 5 methods you showed?

      I am using solo ads and they're expensive.

      I am getting 32% conversion rate with double optin and I have lost 50 subscribers to no confirmation to their subscription. Don't know how to get them to confirm their email address again. Can you show me that too?

      I am using aweber and I have 165 subscribers only from 2 solo ads.
      On Phil's course, Shane Purcell advocates using single opt-in so that those kinds of subscribers are not lost. I know that Phil supports that.

      Others insist on double opt-in (Chris Munch on the Warrior Forum for one). The argument is that with double opt-in you get a better quality list, which is more responsive, rather than paying for loads of people to sit on your list and never open anything. Aweber does not charge you for unconfirmed people.

      I have tried both. Sure enough, my list grew much much faster on single-optin, but many of those never even came back to get the free offer which was emailed to them (I always email it to them as it encourages them to get used to clicking on links in my emails). I tend to feel that with single opt-in you collect even the people entering fake addresses (or gmail acounts they never use and have forgotten the password to). With double opt-in, they see that they need to confirm and, of course, cannot. However, they are not clogging up your list.

      Other arguments are about spam complaints. Don't know the relative stats on it though.

      Controversial this one. Perhaps Phil would like to comment?

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    • Profile picture of the author Phil Ainsworth
      Originally Posted by Ronak Shah View Post

      Is there a way to build a list organically instead of the 5 methods you showed?
      Of course there are, do the old classic of sticking an opt-in form on your blog / website, then blog-hop and post on forums till you are blue in the face. Look, those ways are REALLY FRICKIN SLOW, unless you can drive 1000s of new visitors a day to your website. In which case you wouldn't be on here, asking me how to build a list, natch :-) The methods I've outined above are the QUICKEST ones I know. Most people seem to want the quick results, I find :-)

      Originally Posted by Ronak Shah View Post

      I am using solo ads and they're expensive.
      Well, first of all buddy, there's 4 other free methods in my original post, I thoroughly recommend to try them, if you don't want to spend money at the moment.

      IMHO, solo ads aren't expensive... it's a question of value... whether you can get more value from the subscribers than the approx 30c per click that you are paying... All business is founded on that principle: spend a small amount of money to make a larger amount of money, that's how it works!

      I appreciate you may not have the money to spend on solo ads, so use the free methods until you start making sales, then reinvest that money.

      Also you don't have to spend mega bucks... a 50 click solo shouldn't cost you more than $15 - $20 and will get you some subs... do that once a week, combined with other methods and it will grow...


      Originally Posted by Ronak Shah View Post

      I am getting 32% conversion rate with double optin and I have lost 50 subscribers to no confirmation to their subscription. Don't know how to get them to confirm their email address again. Can you show me that too?

      I am using aweber and I have 165 subscribers only from 2 solo ads.
      First problem is fix the leaky bucket. You are losing 68 out of every 100 visitors to your squeeze page, so split test and tweak making small changes and keep the ones that improve your conversion rate... You want to be aiming for 55-60% mate. If you can achieve that, you will DOUBLE the number of subs you get, from the same amount of traffic. See? Work smarter, not harder :-)

      1 in 3 not confirming is about the normal rate when using double opt-in... that's why I switched to single! Actually, I know people who have WORSE results than that when using double opt-in! I'm not going to go into all the pros and cons of both, because this has been gone over time and time again on this forum, but I will say that in my experience, the people that advocate double opt-in have GENERALLY never tested single opt-in, where as most big listbuilders I know started with double, had an experience when their face looked like this when they saw how many people weren't confirming and switched to single, and never looked back

      YES, single aint perfect, but in my view, the pros outweigh the cons, and despite what some people will tell you, it's perfectly legal and doesn't break CAN-SPAM (in my opinion, I am not a lawyer though, so do your own research)

      IF you absolutely must stick to double, then use your thank you page to train people into confirming there and then. Make a video tellling them to go straight to their inbox, walk them through the process, and make it stand out and be appealing to them! DON'T stick with the generic one provided by your autoresponder company, they'll have seen that 100s of times and will filter it out.

      Good luck bro, and happy listbuilding!

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  • Profile picture of the author fizyusuf
    building big list is one thing but the most important thing how to build the very responsive list? anybody know how to do it?
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  • Profile picture of the author Ronak Shah
    Phil,

    Would you be cool answering my questions? I'd really appreciate it.

    Thanks.

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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Dunstan
    Phil,

    I am just adding some unadvertised bonuses to my thank you page. Do you have any list-building offers or related that you want to add there? These will provide opt-ins for you who have signed up for my offer below.

    PM me if you want to be there.

    Thanks,

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  • Profile picture of the author JKflipflop
    For beginners (who have some money to spare), solos work really well in the initial stages - gives a great deal of confidence when you see subscribers starting to opt in
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Dunstan
    Phil,

    I like your stuff and it would be really cool to include a free bonus from you in the back-end of my funnel. How about it?

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  • Profile picture of the author Oliver Williams
    In my experience changing from double opt in to single has had a better over all result.

    The quality of products, communication, give aways etc will speak louder in the long term then whether they double opt in or not.
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    • Profile picture of the author cashp0wer
      Thanks for the great post. I use many of these methods but do not use all of them. I have just added something for my to do list today.
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  • Profile picture of the author hazyl lee
    Originally Posted by Phil Ainsworth View Post

    or.. the 5 quickest and gosh darn BEST ways Oh, don't over do the adswaps though... I learnt that one the HARD way :-O
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    Hi, can you please elaborate more on this please
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    • Profile picture of the author Kal Sallam
      Originally Posted by hazyl lee View Post

      Hi, can you please elaborate more on this please
      What exactly do you need to understand, if It's ad swaps then that's really simple,

      Basically if you agreed to mail to my offer in return I mail to your offer,
      Then we'v done an ad-swap, its usually mailings to a free offer where
      People need to opt-in for access.(Squeeze Page).

      When done too often it burns your list, since your subscribers are in the hands
      Of other marketers as well, and maybe they will swap too? Hence bombarding
      Your subscribers with emails & promos. Then they get pissed and un-subscribe
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  • Profile picture of the author mjb13815
    Thanks for sharing your strategies on list building. I actually purchased a solo ad the other day. Hopefully everything goes well.
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  • Profile picture of the author rachelle123
    Hey Phil,

    Great post! I have tried mostly all except for the JV Give Away Event. The questions I do have are:

    Where are you posting the JV Give Away Event to find the other 4 people with descent size lists to sign up?

    When approaching these other 4, they obviously know that you are benefiting greatly from this so why would they even do this? Knowing that you are getting all 400 signups automatically?

    What is your initial approach to entice them to join in?

    Again thanks for the post!

    Kim
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  • Profile picture of the author Kal Sallam
    Originally Posted by maverick80 View Post

    Cool, now that we know all this we don't have to buy your WSO.
    You can only know so much.
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  • Profile picture of the author bigslamgyrl
    This is so much better than the normal "give away a free gift, get subs", thanks SO much for posting this
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  • Profile picture of the author Networking_now
    Originally Posted by Phil Ainsworth View Post

    4) Get your gift into other people's sales funnels. Offer it as a bonus to as many jv partners as you can find and let them know they can add it to their download page as a special gift to their buyers... obviously they have to sign up to get the gift... so you get subs :-) This is a win - win - win... The buyers get an extra bonus gift, the JV gets to appear better in the eyes of his subs as he is giving them more than they asked for, and you get more subs! WOO- HOO
    when you approach them (lets say they are good friends of yours, the Jv partners)

    might/ have some of them said NO to you, on the basis, they dont want to give away their buyer, (from their funnel) to your funnel?

    ie, they are being a bit sneaky/selfish...want to keep their buyer to themself, and say NO to your offer, as you will be getting them in your funnel.

    do some say no? (even if they dont admit this above reason lol)

    do some of your partners turn you down?

    and do you have a ratio of how manuy accept this, to how many reject ??



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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Dunstan
      Remember that although some of their buyers are going into your funnel - they are also gaining buyers from other people's funnels. This is why they do it.

      Simples.

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      • Profile picture of the author Networking_now
        Originally Posted by Phil Ainsworth View Post

        4) Get your gift into other people's sales funnels. Offer it as a bonus to as many jv partners as you can find and let them know they can add it to their download page as a special gift to their buyers... obviously they have to sign up to get the gift... so you get subs :-) This is a win - win - win... The buyers get an extra bonus gift, the JV gets to appear better in the eyes of his subs as he is giving them more than they asked for, and you get more subs! WOO- HOO
        Originally Posted by Paul Dunstan View Post

        Remember that although some of their buyers are going into your funnel - they are also gaining buyers from other people's funnels. This is why they do it.

        Simples.

        Paul
        how do you approach these people for this deal?
        (after building a friendship i mean), what do you ask them?


        "Hello, can I include a link to my squeeze page on your download page, so i can get some of your visitors who have purchased, going to my squeeze page ?"
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  • Profile picture of the author dschumann
    Great info Phil - will definitely be using these. Any advice on "Bartering for Leads"? I heard about that one recently and was curious how effective that was.
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  • Profile picture of the author ultimuw45
    Thanks Phil for your enlightenment. It is much appreciated.
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  • Profile picture of the author Shawn Wilson
    Love the tips Phil! Will add to my arsenal of building my JUICY list.
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  • Profile picture of the author loi77
    Nothing new to me but great advice nonetheless.

    For solo ads, it is crucial to track your campaigns and always split test to maximize your conversion rate of your squeeze page.

    Don't spend too much to start with and gradually build it up.

    It is also important to build your own list of highly responsive solo ad sellers that you can use in the near future.

    Thanks for sharing, Phil.
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  • Profile picture of the author Phil Ainsworth
    Originally Posted by maverick80 View Post

    Cool, now that we know all this we don't have to buy your WSO.
    You didn't HAVE to buy my WSO before I posted it, and you sure as hell don't HAVE to buy it now that I have. Free choice, and I don't want someone's money if my product isn't right for them... true story.

    But to suggest reading my post is the same as getting my WSO...That's like saying, I heard a single on the radio, so there's no point in buying the album.

    And I'm sure that smart people reading this will see that too.

    Peace and homemade marmalade,

    Phil Ainsworth :-)
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    • Profile picture of the author Phil Ainsworth
      Originally Posted by hazyl lee View Post

      Hi, can you please elaborate more on this please
      I'm not sure what you wanted me to elaborate on... Was it about not aswapping too often? If so, then I found that if I adswapped my list too frequently, i "burnt" my subscribers a little, and the list became less responsive. However this was during a time when my list were basically getting 2 or 3 adswap emails a day from me for different partners so I guess I was asking for trouble :-) My advice is 1 or MAYBE 2 adswaps a week, as long as they are getting other good stuff from you too :-)

      (This is not absolute advice, I know some marketers who adswap up to 10 times a day, and just accept the burn rate as they are getting list growth and new prospects into the funnel... it's all down to choice, you have to test and see what works for you)

      Originally Posted by rachelle123 View Post

      Hey Phil,

      Great post! I have tried mostly all except for the JV Give Away Event. The questions I do have are:

      Where are you posting the JV Give Away Event to find the other 4 people with descent size lists to sign up?

      When approaching these other 4, they obviously know that you are benefiting greatly from this so why would they even do this? Knowing that you are getting all 400 signups automatically?

      What is your initial approach to entice them to join in?

      Again thanks for the post!

      Kim
      Kim, just to be clear, I would not advise you to hold a JV giveaway event, the scripts are very expensive and it's a LOT of work organising... NOT suitable for a beginner.

      What I was talking about (getting 4 or 5 contributors together) is NOT a "JV Giveaway event", just wanted to spell that out so no one was being misled.

      What I'm talking about is a VIP Giveaway Event (sometimes called "Mini-Giveaway" / "Private Giveaway" or even "Group Adswap") which (as explained above, doesn't need the script or anything.

      I've had a few people PM me looking for a better explanation, so I will post those responses into a new post below.

      Originally Posted by Networking_now View Post

      how do you approach these people for this deal?
      (after building a friendship i mean), what do you ask them?


      "Hello, can I include a link to my squeeze page on your download page, so i can get some of your visitors who have purchased, going to my squeeze page ?"
      Funny, I like it. Made me smile I'm sure everyone can see how utterly terrible and ineffective that is as a gambit, and by logical extension, how to correct it. So I wont insult anyone's intelligence by offering the obvious solution. 'Nuff said :-)

      Originally Posted by dschumann View Post

      Great info Phil - will definitely be using these. Any advice on "Bartering for Leads"? I heard about that one recently and was curious how effective that was.
      By 'bartering for leads' do you mean offering list owners services as opposed to payment in return for mailings? If so, yeah, it is effective, and I've done it myself, in both directions. Just think of what people might want, what you could provide and make the deal work for both of you. Good luck and go for it :-)


      Check the post below for more detail about VIP Giveaway events,

      Peace and Lindt chocolate bunnies

      Phil Ainsworth
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  • Profile picture of the author Phil Ainsworth
    Ok guys, loads of people PMing me and asking in the thread for more info about VIP giveaways. First of all, if you look above, in one of the replies I do go into a lot more detail about how they work.

    Also, here's my response to a query about how to get partners and "why would they sign up"? which seems to be a query coming up frequently.

    Originally Posted by xxxxxxx
    However, there's one method I'm not familiar with and need some more explanation - private JV giveaways (as you wrote in last thread, with 4-5 partners). Can you clarifiy it a little bit for me?
    Is it really beneficial for these partners to just send traffic to my squeeze page, so visitors can see some freebies and opt-in once again? If it was me, I wouldn't use sth like that, I'd prefer a normal ad-swap!


    YES! it's more beneficial to them than a normal adswap as they get more clicks. In a normal adswap, you agree to match clicks, right? So you might say "Phil, I will send you 100 clicks, you send me 100 clicks, we're happy!", right? Well, in this, people each send 100 clicks but they each get 125 or even 150 clicks back in return!

    So it's like doing an adswap with someone who sends you an extra 25% or even 50% more clicks than you send them, and they are totally fine with that :-)

    Think of it like a small version of a JV giveaway event... you know those big events where hundreds of people donate gifts and everyone signs up to get in? Well, this is just a small scale version of that.. one that doesn't need the expensive software and is much less trouble to organise!

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by xxxxxx
    How do you get these partners and persuade them? How many subs do you get on average from such a giveaway?

    It's not hard buddy. Anyone that normally does adswaps will usually be interested after you explain to them it's much more effective than a normal adswap. Try adswap forums and websites such as safe-swaps. Also look in the JV thread here on the Warrior Forum, plus there are similar threads on other IM forums. Also you can ask people for referrals so once you get a few partners, you can ask them to introduce you to more people.

    And number of subs would depend on the size of the giveaway... Say you got 5 partners to each send 100 clicks to the event... well as the organiser you could expect around 250 new subs for that. If you did a bigger event with bigger list owners (say everyone sends 500 clicks) you'd get a lot more. The only danger with doing ones that are really big is that you have to be able to cover the clicks if one of the partners lets you down... which can be a problem if you have a tiny list. So when you are starting it's better to start small (say each person sends 50 clicks) because that way if someone lets you down, the worst thing you'd have to do is buy a 50 click solo ad and send it to the event, you see? And that's not going to cost more than $15 or $20, and you still get the subs from it, as they come into the event :-)


    Hope that helps everyone some more :-)

    Peace and Starburst Ice Lollies ("popsickles" to our USA friends)

    Phil Ainsworth
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  • Profile picture of the author Noel Cunningham
    Solid information there Phil! Anybody you follows through and takes action on any of those tips will see their list building efforts take off...

    Hosting private Mini Giveaways is a phenomenal way of growing your list fast! The only trouble I've found when trying to do this is finding enough interested partners to run the events with...

    A lot of business is done is private Skype rooms...I got into one after a bit of work but would be interested in doing more of these. If you could point me in the right direction to find more Mini Giveaway partners Phil I'd appreciate it? PM me if you don't wish to publish here on the thread...

    Cheers - Noel.
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  • Profile picture of the author eman1
    Great post Phil! I agree, those are some of the best ways to build a list.
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  • Profile picture of the author TamilYoung
    Your Top 1 method of Creating Products & paying 100% affiliate commissions is indeed a great way to build list.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mattification
    3) Hold a VIP / Private Giveaway. I have NO IDEA why these aren't more popular. Probably the easiest way ever of growing a list - you don't even need a gift to give away! Just find 4 or 5 list owners to each agree to send a fixed number of clicks to your VIP giveaway, and sit back and let the subs come rolling in :-) They're all happy as they typically get a 125% - 150% return on their clicks, and you're super happy cos you get subs for very little work :-) Please note I DO NOT recommend that beginners attempt a traditional style "JV Giveaway" event... the scripts are very expensive and the work load is far too much for a newbie... but these mini ones are perfect!

    I have to agree with this one. I am still learning many things but these have helped the most, the quickest! Very easy to do, even for someone who is new to list building. I am actually going to be hosting a new one the beginning of July. They are very exciting and a fun way to build also.
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  • Profile picture of the author lsargent
    My favorite two on your list is paying affiliates 100% commission, and then offering upsells later, and also offering your product as a bonus in someone else's product. This is actually a really valueable share, thanks for the thorough post and ideas!
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  • My favorite method to fast List Building is with Mini Giveaways. Limited offer's with multiple contributor's makes this a fast and easy method in generating a list. I have held a few and my list has grown into the thousands...
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