Why are people still allowed to discuss article spinning on this forum?

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I am not pointing fingers & neither am I asking the mods to alter the rules but honestly article spinning adds no value to the end user. Search engines hate it(It is almost considered as a spam tactic by many engines) & there is nothing worse than a software producing several variations of the same article using different words.

The verdict on article spinning is very clear therefore I still don't get why certain people still fancy it and have discussions about it on the forum?

What do you guys think?
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  • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
    Because spinning can be used legitimately and in a way will not litter the Internet with illegible trash. Unfortunately, most don't seem to use it that way but that doesn't make the original concept any less valuable.
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    • Profile picture of the author ryanman
      Originally Posted by Tina Golden View Post

      Because spinning can be used legitimately and in a way will not litter the Internet with illegible trash.
      But wasn't the whole point of article spinning to get enough backlinks/traffic back to your website by playing the numbers game? Or am I missing something here?
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      • Profile picture of the author payment proof
        In my opinion, article spinning is useless now. Panda and Penguin certainly are not going to reward it.
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        • Profile picture of the author Adevictus
          Originally Posted by payment proof View Post

          In my opinion, article spinning is useless now. Panda and Penguin certainly are not going to reward it.
          That's false.. Do you really think Google bots read and comprehend the writing you have on your 50 web 2.0s?

          Article spinning is discussed here because it happens to be a big part of the IM world. Regardless of your opinion on it, plenty of people still use spun articles and therefore it is worth discussing.
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        • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
          Originally Posted by ryanman View Post

          But wasn't the whole point of article spinning to get enough backlinks/traffic back to your website by playing the numbers game? Or am I missing something here?
          It is, yes. But if an article is still readable and informative, it isn't litter. It's not like people are going to often stumble over five different versions of your article at five different sites and get bored. The Internet is far to big for that.

          Originally Posted by payment proof View Post

          In my opinion, article spinning is useless now. Panda and Penguin certainly are not going to reward it.
          When it's done correctly, the bots can't tell the difference. There are still ways to use correctly spun content and benefit.
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        • Profile picture of the author Bill_Z
          Originally Posted by ryanman View Post

          But wasn't the whole point of article spinning to get enough backlinks/traffic back to your website by playing the numbers game? Or am I missing something here?
          You're missing something.

          Originally Posted by payment proof View Post

          In my opinion, article spinning is useless now. Panda and Penguin certainly are not going to reward it.
          Opinions are like {blank}. You probably know the rest.
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      • Profile picture of the author onSubie
        Originally Posted by ryanman View Post

        But wasn't the whole point of article spinning to get enough backlinks/traffic back to your website by playing the numbers game? Or am I missing something here?
        The definition of 'spinning' is a whole discussion in itself.

        Whether any form of spinning is beneficial, harmful or simply spinning your wheels is another whole heated discussion.

        Whether spinning is ethical or can be done in an ethical way or not is another few threads worth of argument.

        There are many assumptions made and preconceived ideas when a provocative word like 'spinning' is used.

        Some think 'spinning' means 10,000 crappy backlinks a minute SEOBombed to thousands of crappy dummy W2.0 sites pointing to some idiotic 'money page'.

        Other use the word 'spinning' when they mean making PLR content unique in order to use it as intended.

        I don't think throwing around generalities is really a discussion but that is what a lot of threads turn into. I don't spin stuff but I try not to argue with people who do.

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    • Profile picture of the author CyberSEO
      Originally Posted by Tina Golden View Post

      Because spinning can be used legitimately and in a way will not litter the Internet with illegible trash. Unfortunately, most don't seem to use it that way but that doesn't make the original concept any less valuable.
      Quoted for truth.

      The people often confuse the spinning software with synonymizers. The one can use Spintax to produce almost a countless number of the top quality articles (nothing in common with a content theft and poorly synonymized articles). So why this very powerful IM technology must be banned from warriorforum?
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  • Profile picture of the author Patrick Batty
    as much as it may not be as useful as it once was ( I don't do it at all) since when does WF start censoring topics?
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    • Profile picture of the author ryanman
      Originally Posted by Patrick Batty View Post

      as much as it may be as useful as it once was ( I don't do it at all) since when does WF start censoring topics?
      Well because spinning is considered as black hat to a certain degree...I could be wrong. Pretty similar to a time when getting profile links from forums was a popular topic of discussion until the time google hammered all the sites which used such links. Then it became unethical somehow & everyone regretted using it.
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      • Profile picture of the author Adevictus
        Originally Posted by ryanman View Post

        Well because spinning is considered as black hat to a certain degree...I could be wrong.
        Can you explain, independent of any other factors, how spinning an article is black hat?
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        • Profile picture of the author ryanman
          Originally Posted by Adevictus View Post

          Can you explain, independent of any other factors, how spinning an article is black hat?
          Well I'd like someone to prove that it's not? It's content written by robots for the search robots. It's plain and simple blackhat unless you add the human element to it & actually edit the spun articles in a way which is readable by the end user.

          It was a system primarily designed to get backlinks to one's site by submitting hundreds of articles across the web. That is blackhat in the eyes of major search engines.
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          • Profile picture of the author Olorin
            Originally Posted by ryanman View Post

            Well I'd like someone to prove that it's not? It's content written by robots for the search robots. It's plain and simple blackhat unless you add the human element to it & actually edit the spun articles in a way which is readable by the end user.

            It was a system primarily designed to get backlinks to one's site by submitting hundreds of articles across the web. That is blackhat in the eyes of major search engines.
            Its true that the fully automated stuff is garbage. But it would be hard to describe a literate human using the best spinner as an expanded thesaurus to come up with 85% unique variants of their own original work and then post that in varying places as black hat IMO. Doing it that way is actually content that Google would WANT, I would think, especially if placed in topically relevant links.

            So perhaps your condemnation should be limited to the (spammy) use of the tool rather than the tool itself.
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            • Profile picture of the author Kay King
              I don't think the OP has a full understanding of rewriting (spinning) - I've done it for various reasons but I use my own skills, not a script or tool. I'm also rewriting MY work - not stealing content from others, mixing it up and pretending it's my own.

              It's fine to say "I don't think it's good so I don't do it" - it's not right to say "I don't like it so others shouldn't talk about it or do it."

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              • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
                Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

                I don't think the OP has a full understanding of rewriting (spinning)
                This is almost always the case when the "spinning" vs "OMG spinning is evil!!" threads. Folks don't realize there are many different methods, many different sources, many different levels, etc.

                To simply say "all spinning is bad" clearly indicates a lack of understanding of the subject. I think much of it also stems from someone whose cousin's sister's friend's aunt told him it's bad so he then parrots that info on threads in the forum without firsthand knowledge.
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                • Profile picture of the author BTbuzz
                  Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

                  This is almost always the case when the "spinning" vs "OMG spinning is evil!!" threads. Folks don't realize there are many different methods, many different sources, many different levels, etc.

                  To simply say "all spinning is bad" clearly indicates a lack of understanding of the subject. I think much of it also stems from someone whose cousin's sister's friend's aunt told him it's bad so he then parrots that info on threads in the forum without firsthand knowledge.

                  i'm kind of hoping the Manny Pacquiao fight last nite was spun content.
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              • Profile picture of the author tpw
                Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

                I don't think the OP has a full understanding of rewriting (spinning) - I've done it for various reasons but I use my own skills, not a script or tool. I'm also rewriting MY work - not stealing content from others, mixing it up and pretending it's my own.

                It's fine to say "I don't think it's good so I don't do it" - it's not right to say "I don't like it so others shouldn't talk about it or do it."

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                Every good thing in the world can be used in bad ways.

                That does not make the good thing bad.

                For example: Uhaul trucks are good. Fill them with fertilizer and diesel fuel, then they can be used for bad purposes.
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                • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                  Patrick,
                  since when does WF start censoring topics?
                  We always have, but we're very careful about which ones.

                  Some things are very clear. Advocating email spamming, teaching people to commit fraud, and other obvious stuff are out. They can get you banned quickly, in fact.

                  We leave pretty broad margins, though.


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                  • Profile picture of the author Chris Worner
                    Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

                    Patrick,We always have, but we're very careful about which ones.

                    Some things are very clear. Advocating email spamming, teaching people to commit fraud, and other obvious stuff are out. They can get you banned quickly, in fact.

                    We leave pretty broad margins, though.


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                    • Profile picture of the author Adevictus
                      Originally Posted by Chris Worner View Post

                      How about Bomb making?

                      -Chris
                      Bomb Making is blackhat, it could be used to create a mini niche site that has 100% spun content and 1000s of spammy backlinks.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                      Chris,
                      How about Bomb making?
                      Depends. Are you talking about Kurt-type "bombs," or actual property-destroying explosive devices?

                      If the latter... No. And you may consider yourself told.


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                    • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
                      Originally Posted by Chris Worner View Post

                      How about Bomb making?
                      Just make sure you post in the proper forum, or Paul will smack you.

                      I don't know where Bomb Making discussions would go, but I imagine Bombshell discussions belong in OT.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                        Dan,
                        Just make sure you post in the proper forum, or Paul will smack you.
                        I've outsourced that to Becky.
                        I don't know where Bomb Making discussions would go
                        The acceptable type belong in the SEO section, I believe. Or Programming.
                        but I imagine Bombshell discussions belong in OT.
                        Indeed.


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                        • Profile picture of the author tpw
                          Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

                          Dan,I've outsourced that to Becky.The acceptable type belong in the SEO section, I believe. Or Programming.Indeed.


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    • Profile picture of the author AdwordsMogul
      Originally Posted by Patrick Batty View Post

      as much as it may not be as useful as it once was ( I don't do it at all) since when does WF start censoring topics?
      Since it started having moderators.

      The thing is most people are not dedicated to providing the highest quality they can. Spinning articles ALWAYS reduces quality.

      Now, I'm not really a fan of SEO so maybe it's easy for me to say. But spinning is a sign of a mediocre attitude and a shaky business model to me.
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      • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
        Originally Posted by AdwordsMogul View Post

        Spinning articles ALWAYS reduces quality.
        You are flat-out wrong. I only need to point to a recent thread I started and challenged folks to pick the spun content from the samples I provided. Most people got it wrong.

        You have obviously never seen it done right.
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        • Profile picture of the author myob
          We should do everything possible to encourage this practice. The spinning of articles reduces the competition for us professional writers.
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          • Profile picture of the author IMdeaming
            Originally Posted by myob View Post

            We should do everything possible to encourage this practice. The spinning of articles reduces the competition for us professional writers.
            Competition depends on your business model.

            No doubt about it, article spinning "works". My business model involves ranking multiple micro niche sites and iv'e split tested this several times. Beyond a doubt the sites that I use properly spun content for backlinks ALWAYS perform better than my sites that rely on syndication or most other backlinking methods. There are also so many other members here, including many in this thread, that experience the same thing. I have so much respect for a lot of the senior members here, but it really is sad to see all the misinformation being spread like everyone else is just crazy.

            I don't know what data you guys are using to make these "opinions" that article spinning is {bad|dead}, but just go right ahead. Less competition for me
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  • Profile picture of the author jakecoop79
    Whether you like it or not spinning just plain works.

    If you find an article you like and want to spin it and add to it and add it to your site, it works. If you want to spin total garbage for the sole purpose of backlink spam, it works.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
      Originally Posted by ryanman View Post

      Well because spinning is considered as black hat to a certain degree...I could be wrong. Pretty similar to a time when getting profile links from forums was a popular topic of discussion until the time google hammered all the sites which used such links. Then it became unethical somehow & everyone regretted using it.
      Technically, anything you do to try to further your SE rankings is blackhat. All that means is Google doesn't like you doing that. That doesn't make it wrong, bad or unethical.

      Profile links are a different kettle of fish. That was mainly a source of contention because people used software to blast thousands of these across the web, often hitting each forum with a ton of links. This behavior at best was annoying to those forum owners and at worst, a blatant waste of someone else's resources.

      Originally Posted by jakecoop79 View Post

      If you find an article you like and want to spin it and add to it and add it to your site, it works.
      I do hope that I'm reading that wrong, but the first part of this sentence sounds like you are advocating simply stealing any article you find on the web to spin. That WOULD be unethical and in fact, as a derivative work, could be deemed illegal if the owner chose to pursue legal action.
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      • Profile picture of the author ryanman
        Originally Posted by Tina Golden View Post

        Technically, anything you do to try to further your SE rankings is blackhat. All that means is Google doesn't like you doing that. That doesn't make it wrong, bad or unethical.
        Alright...Maybe it's not unethical but are you sure it's not bad? As an end user I won't want to read a spun article when I am researching information on the web. It just leads to poor user experience from end to end.

        Would you personally like to read a spun article when researching online?

        It's hard to deny this raw fact - Article spinning is undeniably a massive cause of spam across the web. Because if it was really that good and helpful, major search engines & websites won't look down upon it.
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        • Profile picture of the author Adevictus
          Originally Posted by ryanman View Post

          Alright...Maybe it's not unethical but are you sure it's not bad? As an end user I won't want to read a spun article when I am researching information on the web. It just leads to poor user experience from end to end.

          Would you personally like to read a spun article when researching online?

          It's hard to deny this raw fact - Article spinning is undeniably a massive cause of spam across the web. Because if it was really that good and helpful, major search engines & websites won't look down upon it.
          Spun articles produce 0 spam... People posting spun articles to web 2.0 properties, article directories etc etc are the cause of spam.

          We should ban people from Warrior Forums. People are undeniably a massive cause of spam across the web.
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          • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
            Originally Posted by Adevictus View Post

            Spun articles produce 0 spam... People posting spun articles to web 2.0 properties, article directories etc etc are the cause of spam.

            We should ban people from Warrior Forums. People are undeniably a massive cause of spam across the web.
            [chuckle]

            "Software doesn't spam people. People spam people. First thing we do, let's ban all the people!"
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        • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
          Originally Posted by ryanman View Post

          Alright...Maybe it's not unethical but are you sure it's not bad? As an end user I won't want to read a spun article when I am researching information on the web. It just leads to poor user experience from end to end.

          Would you personally like to read a spun article when researching online?

          It's hard to deny this raw fact - Article spinning is undeniably a massive cause of spam across the web. Because if it was really that good and helpful, major search engines & websites won't look down upon it.
          How do you know he article you are reading is spun or not? Properly done, a human can't notice the difference.
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          • Profile picture of the author ryanman
            Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

            How do you know he article you are reading is spun or not? Properly done, a human can't notice the difference.
            So would it be fair to assume that in order to do such you have to manually edit them afterwards? In short, you have to give it the human touch in order to make it less robotic and more readable?
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            • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
              Originally Posted by ryanman View Post

              So would it be fair to assume that in order to do such you have to manually edit them afterwards? In short, you have to give it the human touch in order to make it less robotic and more readable?
              Well, yeah. In some cases. I know that the spinning I do requires no manual intervention after the fact. That said, I put a TON of work into my content to make it very spin friendly so I don't have to do any work later.

              Your complaints are legit if you qualify them with 'crappy' spun content but the act of spinning doesn't necessarily create poor content provided it is done right.
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              • Profile picture of the author DeMango25
                Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

                Well, yeah. In some cases. I know that the spinning I do requires no manual intervention after the fact. That said, I put a TON of work into my content to make it very spin friendly so I don't have to do any work later.

                Your complaints are legit if you qualify them with 'crappy' spun content but the act of spinning doesn't necessarily create poor content provided it is done right.
                Spot on! Make sure you spin as user-friendly as possible so the output readable and provides actual value (also makes me sleep better at night knowing I don't spam the web with gibberish)... but in the end, it's still the writer's choice...
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  • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
    Originally Posted by ryanman View Post

    I am not pointing fingers & neither am I asking the mods to alter the rules but honestly article spinning adds no value to the end user. Search engines hate it(It is almost considered as a spam tactic by many engines) & there is nothing worse than a software producing several variations of the same article using different words.

    The verdict on article spinning is very clear therefore I still don't get why certain people still fancy it and have discussions about it on the forum?

    What do you guys think?
    Every point you made was wrong.
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  • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
    Just because your spinning results in garbage doesn't mean my spinning does. As far as whether Google like it or not, who cares. If I want to have crap on my website that is my business.

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  • Profile picture of the author LegionNate
    I didn't read all the these posts, just the original one, but I don't like the idea of banning discussion on certain topics just because one, or a few, or even many marketers think it doesn't add value. I don't even like the of banning topics if there is unanimous decision that it doesn't add value. People should be able to bring up any ol' internet marketing, the good and the bad.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tenzo
    You're well on your way to a full page thread about article spinning.

    Ironic, yes?
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  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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    Why are people still allowed to discuss article spinning on this forum?
    Because I'm not tired of this .gif yet?

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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      I must say it's fascinating to have a discussion on spinning, for me this is the first time I've seen this subject brought up and I'm so happy we can discuss such out of the box and unique thinking.

      I'm not going to get into a spinning debate because I do believe there are good and bad ways to use it and I also firmly believe, as others have said, that it's the human using the software that's the guilty party.

      The problem with all these spinning discussions is most people look at the method and can only come up with one way to use it, then they ignore anyone that has an alternative method....which kind of defeats the object of discussing it (and I've been guilty of that myself )

      Anyway, I'm off to the OT section to see if there are any threads on bomb making.

      EDIT. Joe, I've no idea what you're doing in your avatar picture but it makes you look like you have a moustache, which in turn makes me think you look like Freddie Mercury. Sorry about that.

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      • Profile picture of the author think more
        I think article spinning not effective today.Lot of webmasters use article spinning software and submit their articles to 1000's of directories.This is an old trick.Google didn't like this type of back links After Google panda and penguin update.Google want fresh and quality content.After penguin update Google want our backlinks more natural
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      • Profile picture of the author Joshua Rigley
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        Originally Posted by Patrick Batty View Post

        as much as it may be as useful as it once was ( I don't do it at all) since when does WF start censoring topics?
        We've been censoring religious and political topics for some time now...and for good reason.

        Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

        EDIT. Joe, I've no idea what you're doing in your avatar picture but it makes you look like you have a moustache, which in turn makes me think you look like Freddie Mercury. Sorry about that.

        I know, right? All this time I thought he was an older guy in his 40s. Totally shocked me when I found out he was my age and DIDN'T have a mustache.
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          Originally Posted by Joshua Rigley View Post

          I know, right? All this time I thought he was an older guy in his 40s. Totally shocked me when I found out he was my age and DIDN'T have a mustache.
          What?! How does anything about me scream 40 year old guy? I'm still young and hip.
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      • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
        Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

        EDIT. Joe, I've no idea what you're doing in your avatar picture but it makes you look like you have a moustache, which in turn makes me think you look like Freddie Mercury. Sorry about that.

        OFF TOPIC: I miss Freddie - what a voice and what an entertainer!
        /off topic

        I personally won't use the spinning software any more because I can re-write something quicker, but I can see that used the right way, spinners have usefulness. Unfortunately there are always those people who ruin good things for everyone else, and thus give spinners, and any other time-saving software, a bad name.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by ryanman View Post

      Alright...Maybe it's not unethical but are you sure it's not bad? As an end user I won't want to read a spun article when I am researching information on the web. It just leads to poor user experience from end to end.

      Would you personally like to read a spun article when researching online?

      It's hard to deny this raw fact - Article spinning is undeniably a massive cause of spam across the web. Because if it was really that good and helpful, major search engines & websites won't look down upon it.
      Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

      How do you know he article you are reading is spun or not? Properly done, a human can't notice the difference.
      That's the conclusion I came to long ago. If I can't tell, I don't care.

      As for spinning software, I liken it to a carving knife. In the hands of an artist, you get art. In the hands of a craftsman, you get beautiful furniture. In the hands of the average guy, you get a pile of shavings. And in the hand of the average six year old, you get a trip to the emergency room followed by a need for new furniture...
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  • Article spinning, as I use it, is really precious. But I lose time doing it on my own, I don't use automatic software. I use the famous software everyone using here on WF and I need at least 40 minutes for article.

    This is just my point of view.

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  • Profile picture of the author neodarth
    Should we talk about article rewording then? spinning is not bad as long as you do it wisely. I you have 100 versions of your article, you have 100 chances to someone take a look at your content.

    Is far more better than submit duplicate contet.

    You are not spamming, you are "spreading your word to multiple sources" to reach a larger number of audience (let everyone knows that I wrote that awesome content!).

    Now if you are talking about "software spun articles" the kind that only non native english speaking can understand (yes like me... but I'm really trying! I'm really do... *sight*). Yes this crappy articles have no value and should be penalized by big G.

    But if you dilligently change your articles rewording phrases instead of single words then you will have a completly different article with the same topic, and serving the same purpose: add value to the end user and of course adding a contextual backlink to your main site.
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  • Profile picture of the author David Sneen
    Censoring topics would be dangerous. If you censor article spinning, you would have to censor link creation. Then, ghost wrting might follow.

    Each of us has a filter--our brain. We need to decide for ourselves what we are going to do. If we choose to go Black Hat or Gray Hat...so be it, there are risks involved. If we choose to go White Hat, we will have to work a bit harder to achieve the same results.
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    • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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      Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

      EDIT. Joe, I've no idea what you're doing in your avatar picture but it makes you look like you have a moustache, which in turn makes me think you look like Freddie Mercury. Sorry about that.

      Why is everyone saying that? I'm eating a turkey leg. I don't see the mustache at all; but kudos on bringing Freddy Mercury into this forum any way that you can .

      Originally Posted by David Sneen View Post

      Censoring topics would be dangerous. If you censor article spinning, you would have to censor link creation. Then, ghost wrting might follow.

      Each of us has a filter--our brain. We need to decide for ourselves what we are going to do. If we choose to go Black Hat or Gray Hat...so be it, there are risks involved. If we choose to go White Hat, we will have to work a bit harder to achieve the same results.
      I'm pretty sure it was a tongue in cheek post, the OP is not really calling for censorship. People get worked up way too quickly these days :rolleyes:.
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      • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
        Originally Posted by Joe Robinson View Post

        Why is everyone saying that? I'm eating a turkey leg. I don't see the mustache at all; but kudos on bringing Freddy Mercury into this forum any way that you can .
        It's the shaded area at the top of the turkey leg. I swear I didn't recognise you and really did think at first you'd used him as your avatar . It's only when I looked closely I realised it was you, knawing on a babys leg or something.

        Nice to know it's a Turkey.
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        • Profile picture of the author Paul Stone
          If you do want to spin an article, make sure it's a good one; something of good quality and compelling to the reader. Longer ones perform better (like 400+ words...the longer the better - this is more time dependant but some people even go as high as 2500-4000 words).

          Obviously the usual good (panda/penguin safe) SEO needs to be done too (no keyword stuffing etc).

          If using software, use it as a *tool* rather than just let it spin the whole article. Example; spin by sentence, then proof read afterwards.

          Bottom line - remember you are writing content for humans, not bots etc (this ultimately is what Google is after)
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          • Profile picture of the author VanessaB
            I wasn't going to chime in, but then I saw the picture of Freddie Mercury, and I was compelled...

            When I hear the word 'spin, as it relates to marketing, (there's an exercise called spinning too) ' I think of 'spin doctors,' those fabulous publicity people that can 'spin' any story any way they want to through a very clever use of smoke and mirrors.

            To put another way, that means presenting the 'story' in a manner that is suited to the publishers goal, ie, make something look good, make something else look bad.

            "There's no such thing as bad publicity."

            And now I'm off to YouTube to play "Fat Bottom Girls".

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          • Profile picture of the author Alberto82
            Originally Posted by Paul Stone View Post

            If you do want to spin an article, make sure it's a good one; something of good quality and compelling to the reader. Longer ones perform better (like 400+ words...the longer the better - this is more time dependant but some people even go as high as 2500-4000 words).

            Obviously the usual good (panda/penguin safe) SEO needs to be done too (no keyword stuffing etc).

            If using software, use it as a *tool* rather than just let it spin the whole article. Example; spin by sentence, then proof read afterwards.

            Bottom line - remember you are writing content for humans, not bots etc (this ultimately is what Google is after)
            I totally agree with you. Is there any particular spinner software that you or some one else could recommend me?. I only started my IM venture a couple of months ago and I'm looking for the right tools to get the job done. Thanks!
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    HAHAHA, very ironic.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lisha5684
    I personally don't like using spun articles. You can usually tell they are spun because they will replace certain words with other words that mean basically the same thing, but you wouldn't actually use that word if you were actually writing the article. If I really really need to, I might use a spun article, but most of the time I just like writing my own quality content that is real and from my own brain.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kal Sallam
    Sadly because I a lot of marketers still encourage it or so believe.
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    • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
      Originally Posted by Kal Sallam View Post

      Sadly because I a lot of marketers still encourage it or so believe.
      I posted a poll earlier and showed 2 short articles. Most people couldn't tell which one was the spun article and which one was hand-written.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rose Anderson
    Tina already mentioned this, but from some of the comments being made I guess it needs to be said again. Choosing to spin your own articles is your choice to make. Taking other people's articles and spinning them is stealing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steadyon
    Originally Posted by ryanman View Post

    Why are people still allowed to discuss article spinning on this forum?
    Because spinning happens in the real world.


    Originally Posted by ryanman View Post

    Why are people still allowed to talk about spinning articles here?
    Spinning can be useful if it reads properly.


    Originally Posted by ryanman View Post

    Should the discussion of article spinning be permitted?
    It is a useful technique to help promote a website.


    Originally Posted by ryanman View Post

    Should Warrior Forum allow spinning to be discussed?
    Fighting Talk Place ok, speech of freedom so allows.

    ( Ooops - My auto spinner turned on . Manual spin text should read:
    "Warrior Forum allows freedom of speech, so yes". )
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  • Profile picture of the author IGP
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    thaqts funny because im just going to post a thread on what the best article spinning software is. For immoral people its a numbers game. But i use (obviously) to create the same article so that i can post it somewhere else without having to use the same article. The same point is getting across, im just saving myself time and money from writing the same thing manually over and over again in different ways.
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  • Profile picture of the author celente
    Seen as though there are so many crappy threads in here recently...and WF has gone down the girgler a bit..... this is the best thread I have seen in 2012.

    Nice job! Yes, stop talking and spinning articles. It will get you no where. Unless you want to be penalized by google!
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  • Profile picture of the author Charanjit
    Honest any one that thinks they are going to generate genuine leads though poorly spun articles is very optimistic. Now spun articles could easily be used to get your back links indexed, if any one thinks using spun articles on spammy web sites that link back to your money site is a good idea, you will have a nasty wake up call soon. Better off have quality content on money site, being linked from 2.0 web sites (not the same article but something related) ie link bait and then using spun versions of the 2.0 article to pass on link juice to the 2.0 site.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tim3
    Originally Posted by ryanman View Post

    I am not pointing fingers & neither am I asking the mods to alter the rules but honestly article spinning adds no value to the end user. Search engines hate it(It is almost considered as a spam tactic by many engines) & there is nothing worse than a software producing several variations of the same article using different words.

    The verdict on article spinning is very clear therefore I still don't get why certain people still fancy it and have discussions about it on the forum?

    What do you guys think?

    Article spinning is very useful if used correctly.
    When done the right way article spinning can be very helpful.
    If you spin an article properly it becomes useful content.
    A spun article is just as good as an original article if some editorial expertise is used.
    Imagine having 50 original articles by using article spinning.
    A spun article that makes perfect sense is valuable content.
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    • Profile picture of the author BTbuzz
      Originally Posted by Tim3 View Post

      Article spinning is very useful if used correctly.
      When done the right way article spinning can be very helpful.
      If you spin an article properly it becomes useful content.
      A spun article is just as good as an original article if some editorial expertise is used.
      Imagine having 50 original articles by using article spinning.
      A spun article that makes perfect sense is valuable content.
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  • Profile picture of the author smallbiz
    Wow! An education, Freddy Mercury and a Hitler's Reaction all in one thread? I'm loving that. Have to confess I probably was of the same knee-jerk opinion as the OP till I read the thread. Now I see how done well, and ethically, it can be useful.
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    • Profile picture of the author BTbuzz
      Originally Posted by smallbiz View Post

      Wow! An education, Freddy Mercury and a Hitler's Reaction all in one thread? I'm loving that. Have to confess I probably was of the same knee-jerk opinion as the OP till I read the thread. Now I see how done well, and ethically, it can be useful.
      well every one is stressed out including me big time , I saw this and laughed my ass off , It sure beats feeling like your going to implode any second.
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  • Profile picture of the author Craigb182
    Article spinning definitely does still work. There is no doubt about that!
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  • Profile picture of the author advancedmile
    People here confuses spinning with stealing ("scraping") articles and then auto-spin them. I wouldn't do that, but i would use a AI autospinner such as WordAi, in order to produce pretty much unique and readable product descriptions.

    Actually writing quality articles is the same as spinning just on another level. Spining is everything.
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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    Every wonderful something in the world could be used in ways that are not for the benefit of others.

    Just because wonderful things can be used in a bad way does not mean those good things should be treated as bad things.

    For example: Ryder trucks are a very useful tool. But, when you fill them with fertilizer and diesel fuel, then wacko white guys can use them for insanely diabolical things.


    p.s. Not only are we allowed to discuss spinning... Some of us are even allowed to do it. :p
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  • Profile picture of the author dennis09
    Holy snap crackle n pop, did we just come to a general consensus on spinning???
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    • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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      Originally Posted by dennis09 View Post

      Holy snap crackle n pop, did we just come to a general consensus on spinning???
      Nope. Spinning sucks! Let's riot!
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        Originally Posted by Joe Robinson View Post

        Nope. Spinning sucks! Let's riot!



        Replace Chicago with the WarriorForum
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        • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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          Originally Posted by dennis09 View Post



          Replace Chicago with the WarriorForum
          This dennis09, he utilizes the pictures.

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  • Profile picture of the author drr
    You people are KILLING my productivity, but I had to get involved

    IMHO spinning can be valid if:

    1. The base content is very well written.
    2. The unique articles that are spun are legitimate, are easy to read on the eye, and will end up benefiting the reader in whichever site it is put into.

    The internet is all about content at the end of the day. And if an article provides valid, perfectly readable and accurately written content on whatever topic then what's the problem? And what does it matter how it got there?

    Incredible how IM has evolved though - many years ago, you used to get rewarded for putting the SAME article on as many different article directories as possible. Now, you could get penalized for taking the trouble to create several unique articles and adding a unique one into various different sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author celente
    In all this google slap, panda bans, penguin reach arounds lol.... I am still in shock people think spinning articles are ok. They either have no brain cells or cannot read a few lines in google news. Simple really.

    Do not spin, if you are lazy like most, go get on the unemployment line and drink yourself stupid.

    If you want to be well known, or do well in this game, create high quality info that people want to read, that can help or enrich their lives.

    Google is now done with children who come up with jibberish writter by 4 year olds. And to be honest, I am sick of it laying around in the trenches taking up valuable internet real estate.

    RANT OVER *bows*
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    • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
      Originally Posted by celente View Post

      In all this google slap, panda bans, penguin reach arounds lol.... I am still in shock people think spinning articles are ok. They either have no brain cells or cannot read a few lines in google news. Simple really.
      LOL. I own 4 sites that consist of nothing but spun content and they've survived it all.

      I agree with the poster who mentioned it earlier - spinning is different than "synonimizing". I think you have the two confused because you would never know that my content is spun and neither could most warriors when I posted a side by side sample.
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      • Profile picture of the author celente
        Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

        LOL. I own 4 sites that consist of nothing but spun content and they've survived it all.

        I agree with the poster who mentioned it earlier - spinning is different than "synonimizing". I think you have the two confused because you would never know that my content is spun and neither could most warriors when I posted a side by side sample.
        And just think of the visitors, traffic and income you would make from real quality content. I do it, have never spun half arsed articles. I get real content or create, and do not have anything confused. LOL.

        all this side by side talk. Funny.

        again, i will say it and take the cotton wool in your ears out. QUALITY CONTENT IS KING!

        Everytime I create it, I get subscribers, sales, and an audience you could only ever have a wet dream about. But I get it, and probably wasting my breath.
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    • Profile picture of the author dennis09
      Originally Posted by celente View Post

      In all this google slap, panda bans, penguin reach arounds lol.... I am still in shock people think spinning articles are ok. They either have no brain cells or cannot read a few lines in google news. Simple really.
      I don't need Google news to tell me that my sites perform better in the SERPS when using spun content for backlinks.

      Opinions are like...
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    • Profile picture of the author celente
      Originally Posted by ezvid1 View Post

      Well some times spin content does work. If you spin content using some good methods like using high quality spin method of The best spinner then it can yield some awesome language and sentences which gives value to users !
      ha ha drivel!!! probably the worst advice I have seen in here today.

      Did you spin your post and then cut and paste it in here?

      Just sayin'
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      • Profile picture of the author BTbuzz
        Originally Posted by celente View Post

        ha ha drivel!!! probably the worst advice I have seen in here today.

        Did you spin your post and then cut and paste it in here?

        Just sayin'
        Good value to customers, total hogwash. Nothing worse then googling something and you get some gibberish article with butt ugly adsense ads staring you in the face.
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        • Profile picture of the author celente
          Originally Posted by BTbuzz View Post

          Good value to customers, total hogwash. Nothing worse then googling something and you get some gibberish article with butt ugly adsense ads staring you in the face.
          but you are not the 1,345,366,455,452,223,223,735 other users online who do not know about adsense even what a blog is. LOL.
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          • Profile picture of the author BTbuzz
            Originally Posted by celente View Post

            but you are not the 1,345,366,455,452,223,223,735 other users online who do not know about adsense even what a blog is. LOL.
            Yep your right, so some poor guy googles" i'm having a heart attack" and some moron got lucky with spun gibberish and a garbage adsense looking site with backlinks from fiverr for 5 bucks linked to Bolivan porn sites, and his ads are on lawn chairs in mexico.
            great system. i guess he'll make a few bucks if the unlucky dude clicks a ad right before he drops over dead.

            hey its not he's fault, it passed copyscape !! , horse ****.
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  • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
    Hahaha. I earn more from the amazon program than 90% on this forum. Earnings isn't a problem for me. I will say that only a portion of that is from my small spun sites but I will repeat: I've already demonstrated right here in the forum that humans cannot tell the difference when spinning is done properly.

    However, no real need to debate with you. Its no skin off my back. I'm still earning and that's really all that matters to me.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

      ... but I will repeat: I've already demonstrated right here in the forum that humans cannot tell the difference when spinning is done properly.
      I've said it before, too. If I can't tell, I don't care.

      Problem is, most of the folks asking about spinning aren't looking to do it properly. I'd venture that people consistently spinning articles at a level where a human can't tell the difference are about as rare as albino chameleons...

      Off-Topic: Wouldn't Albino Chameleons be a great name for a rock band? :p
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      • Profile picture of the author Stripe
        Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

        Wouldn't Albino Chameleons be a great name for a rock band? :p
        I'd buy tickets to see em!
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        • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
          Originally Posted by Stripe View Post

          I'd buy tickets to see em!
          It looks like they are performing in Philly:

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            Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

            It looks like they are performing in Philly:

            So I guess I was right, eh?
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          • Profile picture of the author BTbuzz
            Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

            It looks like they are performing in Philly:

            Ha Ha Ha oh man thats funny, Maybe i could go see them blend in with the crowd.
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  • Profile picture of the author David Keith
    I am not for spinning articles the way it is normally done, but the concept is not a bad idea.

    it is just that IMers as usual tried to exploit a normally ok thing for quick profits.

    anyone watch the new lately and see how FOX and CNBC "spin" virtually every news story.

    The idea of using base content and spinning it into a few different contexts or uses is fine. The problem comes when you try to exploit that and do it hundreds of times in 30 seconds using some software and then submit those crap articles to hundreds of places.
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  • Profile picture of the author Stripe
    I have seen a lot of junk out there. Heck, I get spun comments on a few of the blogs I run all the time. I got one the other day criticizing my spelling saying the blog posts were "rife with erring form spell". Yeah, that was a helpful comment!

    Anyway, my point is those who think spinning as an easy way to generate an article without any effort are seriously mistaken. Spinning helps me rewrite an article more quickly, but it is not without effort. Spun articles need to be edited for readability. I simply will not put anything out there that does not pass the "smell" test. If it stinks, I don't post it.

    When you think about it, spinning done correctly is not really that much different then an article that has been syndicated and duplicated 1000 times. Professional new media does this all the time. At least with a properly spun article there is some uniqueness even if the general ideas are still the same.

    My two bits worth...
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  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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    You guys are spinning this conversation out of control.
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  • Profile picture of the author quercus5
    Yeah, unfortunately article spinning appears to be here to stay for at least a little while longer. I've done it, and frankly hated that I even tried it. Offered no value for anyone at all.
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    • Profile picture of the author Weblover50
      Originally Posted by quercus5 View Post

      Yeah, unfortunately article spinning appears to be here to stay for at least a little while longer. I've done it, and frankly hated that I even tried it. Offered no value for anyone at all.
      Probably not for long time. After penguin / panda, people are really getting worried about such spammy tactics. With SEs getting smarter and stricter, I don't see article spam, spun or otherwise to last long.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Mensah
    Article spinning is discussed here because it happens to be a big part of the IM world. Regardless of your opinion on it, plenty of people still use spun articles and therefore it is worth discussing.
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  • Profile picture of the author ReplenishSEO
    Article spinning is on here because plainly simple IT STILL WORKS.

    For now.... that is haha.

    I'm sure that sooner or later SE's are going to start penalizing much heavier for it.

    But right now its what works so most aren't going to try to fight and go against what already works and still works.
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