Would you survive without lists?

12 years ago

You can do it without a list, but you will have to work hard on continuing to make contacts without anything to lean on when your source changes for the worse. It is just so much harder if you are not capturing your leads into a list.

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laisaluky

12 years ago

Originally Posted by PassiveIncomeTeacher

You can do it without a list, but you will have to work hard on continuing to make contacts without anything to lean on when your source changes for the worse. It is just so much harder if you are not capturing your leads into a list.

I think so, but a list can help you do more at same time. And without it you can do this by doing more & more hard work.

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Kal Sallam

12 years ago

Well to make some money anywhere on this planet,
You either need to:

1-Sell something.
2-Offer some kind of service, which is also selling!

The internet is just a medium in which we market
Our stuff that we need to sell.

So as long as you have something to sell and
Someone to sell to who actually needs what your selling,
You are going to be earning some $$.

You Just chose how you want to do it. Building a list helps with
The marketing part.

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Adevictus

12 years ago

People were saying the same sorts of things 5 years ago but there is still people making money on the internets.

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myob 12 years ago

Over 90% of all of my sales are a direct result of marketing to dozens of niche lists; both online and offline. Been doing it the same exact way for over 15 years, and that is not expected to change anytime soon.
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WinstonTian

12 years ago

I know a lot of people who don't earn money with
a list. Oh, definitely, there are.

But that's extremely non-lucrative - there are
gaping holes in that business model. It's hardly
self-sustaining, because the results do not
compound. The profits do not escalate.

The income barriers don't shatter.

However, if you're not building a list - you're
losing assets. If you asked a random 6-figure
marketer what he/she regrets the most...

One of those things he/she is going to say is:

"I regret not building a list earlier."

I feel the same way in certain markets where
the tough competitors suck up a good portion
of the market share.

But that's where it gets really fun...

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melovedogs

12 years ago

I don't have any list since english is not my native language, I don't have the confidence to build list as I don't know what to offer in exchange or what kind of email I should send to my list. Do I survive? well, yeah, but it takes a lot of hard work and my revenue so far is enough for me.

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E. Brian Rose

12 years ago

I don't believe anybody had an email list in 1997, but people still sold stuff. In 1897 they didn't have TV, but people still sold stuff.

True marketers will always find a way to market. The rest will be their employees.

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David Keith

12 years ago

Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose

I don't believe anybody had an email list in 1997, but people still sold stuff. In 1897 they didn't have TV, but people still sold stuff.

True marketers will always find a way to market. The rest will be their employees.

actually, i started building an email list in 1996. by 1997 i had close to 10k people interested in credit card offers on a list. Back then I had to pay a developer to build myself a very crude AR system. ah...good times.

Back to the Op's question. There will always be people with problems and there will will always be people who have solutions to those problems. Connecting the 2 groups is all marketing is. There will always be a need for people who know how to connect those 2 groups of people in literally thousands of niches both big and small.

An email list is currently one of, if not the best way to connect these 2 groups of people currently.

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Alexander Lessa

12 years ago

Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose

I don't believe anybody had an email list in 1997, but people still sold stuff. In 1897 they didn't have TV, but people still sold stuff.

True marketers will always find a way to market. The rest will be their employees.

EBR said it best! True marketers WILL find a way to market.

Just because something seems difficult, does not mean it's impossible. Build a fire so large, people will want to run to it to see what is going on. Get creative with your offerings and always remember to never blend in.

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Alexa Smith

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by cashtree

So my question is, what's your thoughts on the above

None of the things you mentioned has ever been relevant to me at all (apart from the Google updates/changes, which, admittedly, have always been very kind to me by getting the inferior/spammy sites out of my way and enabling me to rank much better - not that I depend much on Google traffic anyway, to be honest - nor would I ever want to :p ).

Originally Posted by cashtree

also without your lists could you guys continue to do IM full time

I would. I'd probably be a vendor instead of an affiliate, possibly a Kindle/similar writer - not sure: I'd have to find something - I'm simply not willing to do a 9 - 5 job: that was why I started this. But it's not easy to imagine why one should be without lists ...

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Zach Crawford

12 years ago

I could because I don't have all my eggs in IM.

I have an outsourcing business for web design

I have product creation and list building

and I have typical affiliate sites.

However building a list is my favorite. As long as you build a strong following with your list you don't have to worry when all the Google changes happen.

If someone doesn't have a list, there is no better time to build one than now.

No matter what niche your in, build a list so you can keep marketing to them beyond the one time sell. When I first started IM my whole goal was to get them to click my ads or buy the product.

I left so much money on the table by doing that. I could have marketed to them over and over again if I got them to opt in.

So to answer your question yes I could. However I don't see the reason to ever worry about that, because as long as list building still works I will continue to market this way.

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AnthonyCeseri

12 years ago

Originally Posted by cashtree

It seems to me that IM is getting difficult, now more than ever. With

So my question is, what's your thoughts on the above, and also without your lists could you guys continue to do IM full time or would you have to go back to a 9 to 5?

I'm barely doing it WITH a list, haha.

So, yeah - that's a big no for me.

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Chuck Avants 12 years ago

Seems like a list is a good thing to have but I sometimes get confused about the profitability of them. One guys says $1 per month per subscriber and another says 50 cents.

One guy says he makes $10,000 a month with 1000 subscribers--which is obviously more than $1 per subscriber-- while another makes $10,000 per year off of a 10,000 member list.

Either way I guess having a list is good but in the end some people will always figure out how to make money.
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KingYoungPimpin

12 years ago

I have to have a list. I have built thousands of subscribers on different list that profits me in whatever I decide to promote.

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Mark Hess

12 years ago

The funny thing is, email marketing courses (in most cases) still have trouble selling... go figure. People know they need a list, but refuse to build one.

Originally Posted by cashtree

without your lists could you guys continue to do IM full time or would you have to go back to a 9 to 5?

I don't see myself stirring the chili pot at Wendy's anytime soon...

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cashtree

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Mark Hess

The funny thing is, email marketing courses (in most cases) still have trouble selling... go figure. People know they need a list, but refuse to build one.

I don't see myself stirring the chili pot at Wendy's anytime soon...

Haha

also thanks for the great answers guys, love this community

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williamk

Banned 12 years ago

Ofcourse I would. The basics of Internet Marketing is not to put all your eggs in a single basket. So build up backup plans that will support you when your list fails or something else happens. If you dont then you are doomed to fail.

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williamk

Banned 12 years ago

Ofcourse I would. The basics of Internet Marketing is not to put all your eggs in a single basket. So build up backup plans that will support you when your list fails or something else happens. If you dont then you are doomed to fail.

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Noel Cunningham

12 years ago

There will always be opportunities opening up because people will always have problems that they want a solution to.

If you can provide these people with a ready-made answer to their needs then you will make money. Competition and challenges will always be there but they just make the taste of success that much sweeter when you do get results

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Gary336

12 years ago

Sure you can survive withouth the lists but it's a little harder theese days .
But they are not mandatorry , i know ppl who do fine withouth them....

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subbun

12 years ago

Yes, you can do but the success rate is low...
The main aim is earn some money.. what are the ways...

google adsense
amazon
cpa
products selling
affiliate marketing
etc...,

now if you have a list of people, you can promote all these methods and get fast way to make money ...

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Valerie Mitchell

12 years ago

I am also frustrated of all of the "rules" on craigslist. For all of the American's that are out of work, thinking to post an ad on craigslist to HELP these folks by offering an opportunity to many in different cities turned out to be a nightmare...and unfortunate as well.

I think that lists are still the best !

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minisitetycoon

12 years ago

You can use other people's lists and leads to get traffic,
but once you do.. you should make it a part of your
online marketing schedule to import your captured leads
into your autoresponder.

You can continue without a list and do more solo ads
and the likes, but keep adding the ones who respond
to your offer into your autoresponder. These are gold.

I still use 'no list' methods to build my existing list so
I can make it even bigger so it always goes back to
the 'no list' method. There is always room to expand.

So yes it is very realistic to get tons of traffic without
a list.. BUT keep the leads you get from this method
any way you can, or you are leaving money on the table.

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