New FTC Guideline Changing I.M Landscape Forever

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The name of Internet Marketing game isn't just sales or profits ... it's information. Now the FTC continues to push toward how it's gathered.

The Wall Street Journal has an interesting article all Internet Marketers should read and heed. It contains good news and bad news for Internet Marketers ... Click Here!
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  • Profile picture of the author Cali16
    Good article. Just my opinion, but all of those things sound like solid ethical practices that companies should have been abiding by all along. I'm sure many won't like it, but as a consumer, I'm glad to see an initiative like this.
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  • Profile picture of the author Winlin
    I'm not a big proponent of Big Brother telling any size business what to do, but I'm all on board with minimizing the clandestine information mining practices.

    Opt In - Not Opt out should be the general rule.
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  • Profile picture of the author Halcyon
    It's nice of them to say and I suppose anything that decreases spam is a good thing but we're being recorded almost 24 hours per day. Highway cams, red light cams, loyalty cards, twitter feeds etc.

    IMHO unscrupulous sellers mining information for marketing purposes are the least of my privacy worries.
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  • Profile picture of the author Josh Anderson
    EU style cookie regulations here we come.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Hill
    That article makes perfect sense to me and is really marketing 101. This is especially important and relevant if you are or want to become an information publisher.
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    • Profile picture of the author The Niche Man
      Originally Posted by Mike Hill View Post

      That article makes perfect sense to me and is really marketing 101. This is especially important and relevant if you are or want to become an information publisher.
      It's also important if you're an email marketer, which is most Internet Marketers in some form or another.
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  • Profile picture of the author Josh Anderson
    Maybe you guys missed what I saw by reading between the lines... There is a statement in that article suggesting implied consent, the current standard with established legal precedent, should be changed similar to what the terrible EU law requires, in regards to cookies. This is just another foot in the door in regards to government regulation of how cookies are used and how consent for their use is given or revoked despite the fact that computer users generally have control over what kind of cookies they accept already. Be careful what you voice support for... You may want to look at how companies that have fully integrated cookie opt-in in the EU have had to do. This EU legislation was such a mess that the UK essentially just thumbed their nose at it restating that implied consent, the current standard for acceptance of published privacy and TOS policies, is still legit. When it comes to cookies and non personally identifiable information we need to be concerned any time the government raises its big ugly and sometimes ignorant head.
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  • Profile picture of the author E. Brian Rose
    The biggest takeaway I got from that article was the quote from the lead attorney that said, “Putting the policy in the middle of 20 pages of caveats and legalese just confuses the customer.”

    I predict you are going to start hearing more about terms of service being too confusing to consumers and therefore are null and void. This is an awful direction to go. In essence, they are saying contracts don't mean a thing if one of the parties claims they are dumb.
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    • Profile picture of the author David Keith
      Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose View Post

      In essence, they are saying contracts don't mean a thing if one of the parties claims they are dumb.
      Thats pretty much what happened to a lot of mortgage contracts. homeowners claimed they were duped. Although i haven't heard of a single case of someone signing a mortgage under duress or not being allowed to consult an attorney.

      The consumers were ignorant about how mortgages worked and they chose to remain that way. No one to blame but themselves. But then the government let them off the hook. I am sure the government can fix this too.

      People need to be allowed to fail. having the opportunity to fail keeps so many things "in check".
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    • Profile picture of the author The Niche Man
      Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose View Post

      The biggest takeaway I got from that article was the quote from the lead attorney that said, "Putting the policy in the middle of 20 pages of caveats and legalese just confuses the customer."

      I predict you are going to start hearing more about terms of service being too confusing to consumers and therefore are null and void. This is an awful direction to go. In essence, they are saying contracts don't mean a thing if one of the parties claims they are dumb.
      It's a shame things couldn't be kept simple.

      The way things are going will there be a time when we'll be advised to consult an Attorney before we log on or opt in to an email list? Why? Because the T.O.S or other legal notice is packed full of "Attorney Speak" and not English.

      Either that or keep a good Legal Dictionary handy.
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    • Profile picture of the author GarrieWilson
      Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose View Post

      The biggest takeaway I got from that article was the quote from the lead attorney that said, "Putting the policy in the middle of 20 pages of caveats and legalese just confuses the customer."

      I predict you are going to start hearing more about terms of service being too confusing to consumers and therefore are null and void. This is an awful direction to go. In essence, they are saying contracts don't mean a thing if one of the parties claims they are dumb.
      Contracts, TOS, etc. should be made easier to read though.
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      • Profile picture of the author E. Brian Rose
        Originally Posted by GarrieWilson View Post

        Contracts, TOS, etc. should be made easier to read though.
        Easy for a college graduate? Easy for a high school dropout? Easy for an idiot?

        Who is going to decide what is easy? All of the above have the option of asking for help before signing a contract.
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        • Profile picture of the author GarrieWilson
          Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose View Post

          Easy for a college graduate? Easy for a high school dropout? Easy for an idiot?

          Who is going to decide what is easy? All of the above have the option of asking for help before signing a contract.
          Easy for the average person.

          Hiding important information in legalese is done to primarily protect one party.

          You know they could be made simpler and still provide the intended protection.
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          • Profile picture of the author David Keith
            Originally Posted by GarrieWilson View Post

            Easy for the average person.

            Hiding important information in legalese is done to primarily protect one party.

            You know they could be made simpler and still provide the intended protection.
            yes, but what lawyer wants to do that. They have little to no incentive to do so. Why would they shoot themselves in the foot.

            They want to protect the people with big (or at least bigger) money. Those are the people who can pay more for their services.

            Why should they cater to the people with less money?

            no offense meant to you kindsvater or other lawyers. I am just training to explain why simplifying legal agreements is not likely to become the norm.
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          • Profile picture of the author James Campbell
            Originally Posted by GarrieWilson View Post

            Easy for the average person.

            Hiding important information in legalese is done to primarily protect one party.

            You know they could be made simpler and still provide the intended protection.
            Lol

            Who is the "average" person?

            Way to run around the issue instead of confronting it head on. Overly broad definitions are the devil's playground for all US (and other country's) government agencies and it is attitudes such as yours that put everyone at risk.

            The thoughts you have about "average" are exactly why the rights of US citizens have been steadily eroding over the past 20 years especially (greatly accelerated over the past 10 years).
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            • Profile picture of the author GarrieWilson
              Originally Posted by James Campbell View Post

              Lol

              Who is the "average" person?

              Way to run around the issue instead of confronting it head on. Overly broad definitions are the devil's playground for all US (and other country's) government agencies and it is attitudes such as yours that put everyone at risk.

              The thoughts you have about "average" are exactly why the rights of US citizens have been steadily eroding over the past 20 years especially (greatly accelerated over the past 10 years).
              How in the hell does thinking things should be written simpler put anyone at risk and erode rights? If anything it gives people more power.

              No need to use a $5 word when a $0.50 one works.
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    • Profile picture of the author AnnieHz
      Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose View Post

      ...I predict you are going to start hearing more about terms of service being too confusing to consumers and therefore are null and void. This is an awful direction to go. In essence, they are saying contracts don't mean a thing if one of the parties claims they are dumb.
      YES. That could become a valid way to make a claim. Just say " it was too difficult for me to understand, so I was a 'victim'....and I deserve to be compensated."
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  • Profile picture of the author prismkuet
    The Internet Marketing is going tougher day by day and we have to work with many regulations and limits. But what is good is something against spamming. But something like the point-

    "The data that companies do collect should be discarded after the transaction is no longer relevant."

    will be a big concern for companies for sure.
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  • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
    Interesting how the concern is only with online business. Last time I subscribed to a magazine I don't recall seeing any disclaimers about how they were going to sell my name and address to direct mail brokers.

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    • Profile picture of the author Josh Anderson
      But direct mail makes the world go 'round... and we're still subsidizing the postal service to deliver paper spam. I think we are all still worried about a recurrence of the "going postal" fad and without direct mail spam how else are we going to pay for all those postal worker jobs?

      Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

      Interesting how the concern is only with online business. Last time I subscribed to a magazine I don't recall seeing any disclaimers about how they were going to sell my name and address to direct mail brokers.

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  • Profile picture of the author timpears
    I can't see a problem with this from what I read. I know my wife will not use anything Google due to their data mining.
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  • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
    The issue about making legal terms "easier to understand" is that often the language is driven by court rulings. If judges began enforcing certain "reasonable" language and not enforcing "legalese" you would see a quick change in contracts. But what you find happens in the courtroom is far different than the "real world."

    I recently reviewed an employment separation agreement where one paragraph was essentially one long run-on sentence that went FOR OVER A PAGE listing numerous California statutes the employee was waiving.

    Any "regular" person would gag looking at it. But why is this common? Because of court rulings that unless a statute is specifically listed then an employee may not be waiving their rights under the statute. So instead of a simple - "employee waives all of their rights to pursue a claim against employer" you get a full page of unintelligible madness.

    It isn't lawyers trying to bill more. It is about protecting the client. If that means dense legalese and precise use of certain words then that is what results.

    Keep in mind the client is the website owner. That typically means legal terms are going to be one-sided. The goal isn't to be "fair." The goal is to be "unfair," protect the website owner, and give them every legal advantage possible.

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    • Profile picture of the author GarrieWilson
      Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

      The issue about making legal terms "easier to understand" is that often the language is driven by court rulings. If judges began enforcing certain "reasonable" language and not enforcing "legalese" you would see a quick change in contracts. But what you find happens in the courtroom is far different than the "real world."
      But it shouldn't.
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    • Profile picture of the author David Keith
      Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post


      Keep in mind the client is the website owner. That typically means legal terms are going to be one-sided. The goal isn't to be "fair." The goal is to be "unfair," protect the website owner, and give them every legal advantage possible.

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      This is exactly true. Which is why it will never be made simple. The guys with money pay people to use $3 dollar words to protect them.

      If they use .50 words then everyone is on a much more even playing field and that does not benefit the guys with money. Why should they give up an advantage? They can pay lawyers to make things complicated and hard to understand so they do.

      They idea that its just to bill more is not correct, but the idea that better lawyers who know more legal speak work for guys with more money is not just a random coincidence.

      Why would those guys dumb down their legal talk so that a bigger percentage of people could understand the legal documents and fight back? Money is driving it, which is the primary reason it won't change.

      Once you have a fair bit of money you pay lawyers to insulate you from those who don't have money by complicating things and making others fight disputes / battles the way you want to fight it. In a complicated legal world where the guys with more money have an advantage by using better lawyers who know more legal speak.

      i know because i am one who pays fairly high priced lawyers on a regular basis to make sure my ass is covered from the "average person" people keep talking about here.
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  • Profile picture of the author larry1113
    Originally Posted by The Niche Man View Post

    The name of Internet Marketing game isn't just sales or profits ... it's information. Now the FTC continues to push toward how it's gathered.

    The Wall Street Journal has an interesting article all Internet Marketers should read and heed. It contains good news and bad news for Internet Marketers ... Click Here!
    Thanks for posting this. Just read it
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