Spinning Articles

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by nickhumph

Is that so bad?

I mean this amusedly, Nick, not with any hostility at all, but how many times can large numbers of people making a successful living from article marketing explain to you that it doesn't actually matter whether or not it's "bad" (because it will have no benefit for you anyway, compared with using them in multiple places without re-writing them), without this question going away?

What is the benefit which you hope to achieve by spinning the articles (even manually) and making their wording non-identical which you think you wouldn't be able to achieve without spinning/re-wording them

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post6379382 <------ this will help

(By the way, it will almost certainly not be possible to have a spun article "syndicated"! Who would want to?

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I may be guessing wrongly, here, and I'm not trying to criticise at all, but I suspect that the reason you can never quite resolve this question, and it keeps striking you again and again, is that - like very many people - you slightly but significantly misunderstand what "duplicate content" means and "how it works"? May I invite you to read this post of Michael's, and this article of Anne's, which may help you a lot?

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Glenn Leader

12 years ago

If you want to spin your articles, I suggest you work at paragraph level, and then at sentence level first. Just spinning words wont cut it.

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Michaelangelo Flores

12 years ago

Originally Posted by nickhumph

Not in the automatic traditional sense. I mean writing a REALLY GOOD article by yourself or by a good writer and making two or three versions of it, changing the individual words by hand (not by a machine) so of course Google doesn't penalize it.

For example, I have three websites all in the video marketing field, so an article topic about "7 benefits of video explainers for businesses" can be relevant to all the sites. I just plan to use the articles to educate/inform customers, SEO and possibly syndication

Is that so bad?

I wouldnt really say it's so bad. I reckon it's quite pointless though.
Why not just stick to that one REALLY GOOD article and submit them to authority sites?
At the end of the day, if the article is really that good, you won't really have to worry about Google. What you really want (what I think you want, anyway) is to provide as much value to the reader as possible - that's top priority.

In terms of syndication, I dont think it will be well syndicated if all the articles are different... (although I may be wrong about this, so pls correct if so)

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peewhy

12 years ago

I've been sent numerous article spinners to review.

I found myself editing and re-writing their end result to finally get something that doesn't look like a spun article.

It's quicker and far better to DIY.

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myob 12 years ago

Professional writers manually spin articles often in many dozens of versions in the normal course of initial production, which we call drafts. The final draft is the only one used, and the rest are discarded.

Is this bad?
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TheArticlePros

12 years ago

Originally Posted by nickhumph

Blah blah blah

You do realize that, by the time you're done with the version of spinning that you typed in above (which is called "re-writing" to the rest of the world), that you could've just written a brand new article, right?

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sqcd 12 years ago

Originally Posted by JaRyCu

...you could've just written a brand new article, right?j

Agree, do yourself a decent voice recognition software, which means writing up articles becomes a breeze. You clearly have expertise to keep churning out decent content regularly.
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sonicadam123

12 years ago

It just seems like trying to swim upstream without a paddle.

You could end up putting masses of effort in and you're not going to be adding value, I'm not sure where you'd post these other "manually spun" articles.

But wherever it is .. it won't be worth it.

Just make better use of your time, use it to make more genuinely unique articles.

Spinning whether it be manual or automated just won't cut the mustard.

Originally Posted by JaRyCu

You do realize that, by the time you're done with the version of spinning that you typed in above (which is called "re-writing" to the rest of the world), that you could've just written a brand new article, right?

-- j

Couldn't agree more.

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MarciaA

12 years ago

Originally Posted by JaRyCu

You do realize that, by the time you're done with the version of spinning that you typed in above (which is called "re-writing" to the rest of the world), that you could've just written a brand new article, right?

-- j

This is terrific advice, many years ago I read all the ads regarding article spinners and finally a friend of mine gave me a discount on what was supposed to be the best performing of the bunch. To date I still have never tried it, because the results appear somewhat silly to me.

I have also found that by the time I thoroughly scrutinize each article (I find myself doing this more than anything), I could have simply written a mostly-completely new article. I think many online marketer's perhaps do not give themselves enough credit for creativity. What I find interesting, is that some people will write lengthy, thoughtful posts, asking about article spinners.

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Martinsee

12 years ago

Spinning for unique articles ?
thebestspinner is the only software i know, but if i spin my articles, it has no sense for customers and visitors.

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lizashaw

12 years ago

I gave up looking spinning articles with software, and I tried a fair few. Now I use a service that sends me daily spun ready articles and I have had no problems so far. I receive articles with spin cyntax ready and they are all paragraph, sentence and word spun. The resulting articles are always well written and make sense.

Not the answer to your question I guess, but I was a little confused as to what you were actually asking.

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LucyLane

12 years ago

I personally don't think that spinning is such a horrible thing, but I'd use it mostly for fluff pieces and not for syndication purposes...

If you're looking to really achieve something with the article(s), it's best to just rely on the original and get that one piece out as far as possible.

Think about what you want to achieve...
Would you rather have one website get some excellent PR for a good original piece of content?
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Have several websites get semi decent/average PR for an article that has multiple versions of itself out there?

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Aaz Ozegbe

12 years ago

Originally Posted by LucyLane

I personally don't think that spinning is such a horrible thing, but I'd use it mostly for fluff pieces and not for syndication purposes...

If you're looking to really achieve something with the article(s), it's best to just rely on the original and get that one piece out as far as possible.

Think about what you want to achieve...
Would you rather have one website get some excellent PR for a good original piece of content?
OR
Have several websites get semi decent/average PR for an article that has multiple versions of itself out there?

True talk man.Thanks

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Glenn Leader 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Aaz Ozegbe

True talk man.Thanks

Originally Posted by prismkuet

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I am also agree with luckylane. He pointed from a very good point of view.

I think you'll find Lucy is a woman... at least she was when she last checked
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- Horny Devil Banned 12 years ago
  
  OP, if your original article was worth it's salt then you would have no need to spin it. Why do you need to have different versions of the same article? What do you hope to achieve?
  
  People are not blind. If they come across a different (spun) version of your article they can read between the lines, and unless you can provide some compelling reason for them to want to take you up (on whatever it is your pushing) on that version of your article as opposed to the original, then you are simply wasting your time.
  
  Far better to concentrate on making an excellent original article and - if needs be - using your time to improve on it. But spinning . . .urghh . . . and it's unethical even if it is with your own material.
  
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prismkuet

12 years ago

Is not it even time consuming and difficult to change different words to make another unique one? When you write something, and you have clear concept regarding the topic, I think it will take less time and less effort as well to produce a totally fresh one. I am also agree with luckylane. He pointed from a very good point of view.

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Joseph Robinson

Banned 12 years ago

All these spinning threads are making me dizzy. Clear out the thread...I'm about to hurl!

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Alexa Smith Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by myob

The final draft is the only one used, and the rest are discarded.

Is this bad?

Not if you like money. I'm sure I once read that, somewhere ... could have been something you wrote ...

Originally Posted by Joe Robinson

All these spinning threads are making me dizzy.

To be serious for a moment (is it allowed? :p ), they do get closed, eventually. In a sense, the advantage of having one running is that it discourages people from starting another (and the moderators will sometimes even remove "another", if anyone tries). The other plus, these days, is that the proportion of accurate, informed, reasonable comments to utter nonsense is gradually improving each time the subject's aired, to be fair. A couple of years ago, posts disclosing the realities of spinning were in a small minority, and vociferously contradicted and denigrated by people whose sig-files illustrated their interest in perpetuating and propagating the teachings of the infamous Urban Myth School of Internet Marketing in order to promote spinning services and/or software. Mercifully that sort of input is significantly declining, all the time.
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- TheArticlePros 12 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by sonicadam123
  
  It just seems like trying to swim upstream without a paddle.
  
  I've never swam anywhere with a paddle. Is it hard?
  
  Originally Posted by Alexa Smith
  
  *snipped a whole bunch of good stuff from Alexa*
  
  I just wanted to say that you fit more big words into that paragraph than my English 101 & 102 teachers COMBINED used when I took those classes.
  
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- Joseph Robinson Banned 12 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Alexa Smith
  
  To be serious for a moment (is it allowed? :p )
  
  If you have to ask, the answer is NO.
  
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MeganFreed

12 years ago

The thought of spinning articles really bothers me. As a writer, I don't like the idea of taking an article that a writer has put a lot of work into and then spinning it into several other nonsensical articles that totally take away the meaning and thought behind the original one.

I ran across an article the other day that was very obviously spun, and spun badly at that. The sad thing is, I found variations of the exact same article on about 10 different websites and not a single one of them made sense.

Why not just take the time to write (or have written) several different original articles on the same topic? It will take more time (and money if you're buying them) but at least the articles will make sense and will be worth reading.

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myob

12 years ago

Originally Posted by MeganFreed

As a writer, I don't like the idea of taking an article that a writer has put a lot of work into and then spinning it into several other nonsensical articles that totally take away the meaning and thought behind the original one.

^ ^ ^ Excellent point.

There is a nuance in well-crafted articles that spinning can never capture. Words have actionable, driving power that is realized when a targeted reading audience experiences fulfillment of expectations. The right words in the right context, with proper grammar, flawless spelling, and relevant style combine in a synergistic effect that is nearly irresistible.

Triggering emotions for directing a desired outcome is the most effective use of articles. The dumbing down of articles by spinning for SEO purposes loses this tremendous potential power of conversion. Consider instead for SEO to be a side benefit of quality articles, not its primary objective. Ranking high on Google is a comparatively impotent trade-off between providing an optimum reader experience and keyword-intensive article spinning.

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Joseph Robinson

Banned 12 years ago

I don't think anyone who isn't a real writer will ever get that Paul. To them, content is just random letters that need to be strung together and thrown out into the world to hopefully gain some Google rankings and magically result in sales.

I still don't understand how those sales are magically supposed to come about from spun garbage; but they steadfastly believe it so I guess there is something that I am just missing.

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myob

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Joe Robinson

I don't think anyone who isn't a real writer will ever get that Paul.

Hey, I'm just trying to give my competition at least a fighting chance. They're defenseless against my salvos of high-powered article onslaughts raining down on their keyword-entrenched positions high in the SERPS. The competition is getting slaughtered in every niche where I have networks of article syndication publishers.

It's not really a fair fight; top-ranking, SEO-optimized websites are virtually unarmed against the deadly force of words optimized for the vernacular, cosmopolitan, esoteric, or sublime. Raiding territories of the competition in the top SERP positions from below the murky depths is what I do best, by capturing the hearts and minds of targeted readers.

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Joseph Robinson

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by myob

Hey, I'm just trying to give my competition at least a fighting chance. They're defenseless against my salvos of high-powered article onslaughts raining down on their keyword-entrenched positions high in the SERPS. The competition is getting slaughtered in every niche where I have networks of article syndication publishers.

It's not really a fair fight; top-ranking, SEO-optimized websites are virtually unarmed against the deadly force of words optimized for the vernacular, cosmopolitan, esoteric, or sublime. Raiding territories of the competition in the top SERP positions from below the murky depths is what I do best, by capturing the hearts and minds of readers.

Did I just read a description of why SEO really can't hold up to article syndication in the long run at all, or a synopsis of the next summer War Movie?

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MissTerraK

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Joe Robinson

I don't think anyone who isn't a real writer will ever get that Paul. To them, content is just random letters that need to be strung together and thrown out into the world to hopefully gain some Google rankings and magically result in sales.

I still don't understand how those sales are magically supposed to come about from spun garbage; but they steadfastly believe it so I guess there is something that I am just missing.

Uggh! You've just discussed my biggest pet peeve.

People slapping some words together to form a sentence and throwing some sentences together to form a paragraph, and flinging some paragraphs together to create an article. Grrr!

Terra

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Joseph Robinson

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

Uggh! You've just discussed my biggest pet peeve.

People slapping some words together to form a sentence and throwing some sentences together to form a paragraph, and flinging some paragraphs together to create an article. Grrr!

Terra

I'm right there with you, and I think that the distinction between a writer and a "writer" is the basis of all of these content arguments. There is a ridiculously huge difference between the kind of content that will actually bring in money and the type of content that just takes up space on a server.

People always think that their writing is guaranteed to fall into the former category when it belongs in the latter.

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MissTerraK

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Joe Robinson

I'm right there with you, and I think that the distinction between a writer and a "writer" is the basis of all of these content arguments. There is a ridiculously huge difference between the kind of content that will actually bring in money and the type of content that just takes up space on a server.

People always think that their writing is guaranteed to fall into the former category when it belongs in the latter.

Exactly!

And the very first step in becoming a "writer" is to comprehend just that.

Terra

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Joseph Robinson

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

Exactly!

And the very first step in becoming a "writer" is to comprehend just that.

Terra

That requires the ability to objectively look at your work and know that it can improve. It also means that you have to be able to accept critique from outside sources as well. It's a roadblock that should be easy to overcome (I mean, it guarantees you will make more money, why not here critiques on your work), yet many never get through it.

They believe that writers are either born with the talent or they aren't and there is no learning in between. They then delude themselves into thinking they are one of the "chosen few" and anyone who critiques their work or methods are one of the "ungifted" and thus have no ability to offer their opinion.

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MissTerraK

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Joe Robinson

That requires the ability to objectively look at your work and know that it can improve. It also means that you have to be able to accept critique from outside sources as well. It's a roadblock that should be easy to overcome (I mean, it guarantees you will make more money, why not here critiques on your work), yet many never get through it.

They believe that writers are either born with the talent or they aren't and there is no learning in between. They then delude themselves into thinking they are one of the "chosen few" and anyone who critiques their work or methods are one of the "ungifted" and thus have no ability to offer their opinion.

Sigh.

And may the Lord have mercy on their souls!

Isn't that what is said once someone has worked their way into the electric chair?

Which is in essence what they're doing to their life as far as being a talented, gifted and earning writer.

Terra

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William Maloney

12 years ago

It's a good technique, as long as the articles pass Copyscape, then it's alright. I think everybody used this technique at least once, rewriting articles can be a great method of keeping the quality content and informations, just rephrasing here and there.

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Joseph Robinson

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by William Maloney

It's a good technique, as long as the articles pass Copyscape, then it's alright.

If the intent of the article is to just not get kicked off the internet, then yes you are right. If you want your content to actually make you money though, it is going to take a lot more than just being "unique."

Originally Posted by William Maloney

I think everybody used this technique at least once, rewriting articles can be a great method of keeping the quality content and informations, just rephrasing here and there.

That's a sweeping assumption. Many of us have never spun our content, and wouldn't dream of doing so.

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Horny Devil

Banned 12 years ago

I've passed comment on quite a few threads about article spinning, yet the threads just keep on coming.

What is it that people who post these threads don't understand? They come on WF and other forums I frequent, for all intents and purposes seeking approval or encouragement from other forum users that article spinning - in whatever form it takes - is ok.

Well, its not ok. Its wrong. Its unethical. Its lazy. In fact its bone-idle and shows a lack of confidence, skill, and the basic ability to be capable of constructing a quality, effective, one-time article yourself in the first instance.

If the standard of your writing skills is such that you find it necessary to spin your work (spinning the work of others is illegal), then either become more professional by learning the skills, or go find yourself another vocation in life. Genuine, quality article writers and marketeers don't wish to be associated with you.

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Joseph Robinson

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Horny Devil

I've passed comment on quite a few threads about article spinning, yet the threads just keep on coming.

We are doomed to deal with the circle talk associated with spinning over and over again in an endless cycle until the chosen one comes along and does something movie worthy to change everything. I don't know what that would be, I was just worried about getting my puns in.

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Horny Devil

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Joe Robinson

We are doomed to deal with the circle talk associated with spinning over and over again in an endless cycle until the chosen one comes along and does something movie worthy to change everything. I don't know what that would be, I was just worried about getting my puns in.

Should have had a 'comma' in your first sentence Joe. Perhaps you could spin it again :p

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dennis09

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Horny Devil

I've passed comment on quite a few threads about article spinning, yet the threads just keep on coming.

What is it that people who post these threads don't understand? They come on WF and other forums I frequent, for all intents and purposes seeking approval or encouragement from other forum users that article spinning - in whatever form it takes - is ok.

Well, its not ok. Its wrong. Its unethical. Its lazy. In fact its bone-idle and shows a lack of confidence, skill, and the basic ability to be capable of constructing a quality, effective, one-time article yourself in the first instance.

If the standard of your writing skills is such that you find it necessary to spin your work (spinning the work of others is illegal), then either become more professional by learning the skills, or go find yourself another vocation in life. Genuine, quality article writers and marketeers don't wish to be associated with you.

What is it that people that respond to these threads don't understand? They come here to the WF, and in an effort to appear knowledgeable spout non-sense and think its ok.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with content spinning, so long as it's done and used properly. If you spend 5+ hours to spin a document then i guarantee you won't see it as being lazy. Actually, the lazy people are the ones pushing the easy button and giving article spinning a bad rep.

It actually takes MORE skill, talent, and creativity to be able to significantly reword an article sentence by sentence several times. ALL WHILE being able to keep in mind how it will fit into the surrounding syntax to produce a structurally sound and cohesive idea.

Those of you spouting about how "real" writers don't blah blah blah, only shows your lack of experience. I have plenty of clients that pay top dollar to have original articles written and spun to a degree that every resulting document ACTUALLY MAKES SENSE and comes out unique and user engaging. Who would've ever thought that was possible? :confused:

Genuine, quality article writers and marketers realize that content comes in many different forms, which includes spun syntax. If you are too lazy to hone your skills, put in the work, and expand your boundaries then we don't wish to be associated with you.

edit: fixed a few errors before the f#cking grammar patrol showed up

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Horny Devil

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by dennis09

What is it that people that respond to these threads don't understand? They come here to the WF, and in an effort to appear knowledgeable spout non-sense and think its ok.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with content spinning, so long as it's done and used properly. If you spend 5+ hours to spin a document then i guarantee you won't see it as being lazy. Actually, the lazy people are the ones pushing the easy button and giving article spinning a bad rep.

It actually takes MORE skill, talent, and creativity to be able to significantly reword an article sentence by sentence several times. ALL WHILE being able to keep in mind how it will fit into the surrounding syntax to produce a structurally sound and cohesive idea.

Those of you spouting about how "real" writers don't blah blah blah, only shows your lack of experience. I have plenty of clients that pay top dollar to have original articles written and spun to a degree that every resulting document ACTUALLY MAKES SENSE and comes out unique and user engaging. Who would've ever thought that was possible? :confused:

Genuine, quality article writers and marketers realize that content comes in many different forms, which includes spun syntax. If you are too lazy to hone your skills, put in the work, and expand your boundaries then we don't wish to be associated with you.

edit: fixed a few errors before the f#cking grammar patrol showed up

A successful, well written article doesn't need spinning. End of story. If you want to spend '5+ hours spinning a document' (your quote) then your a fool and evidently enjoy wasting your time.

You show your ignorance as a writer not only in your numerous grammatical errors, but also in your contradiction . . . i.e. - your signature:
[5 OUT OF 7 SLOTS LEFT]100% unique, magazine quality content posted directly to your blog...DAILY

NOTHING IS UNIQUE IF ITS SPUN OR COPIED.

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dennis09

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Horny Devil

A successful, well written article doesn't need spinning. End of story. If you want to spend '5+ hours spinning a document' (your quote) then your a fool and evidently enjoy wasting your time.

You show your ignorance as a writer not only in your numerous grammatical errors, but also in your contradiction . . . i.e. - your signature:
[5 OUT OF 7 SLOTS LEFT]100% unique, magazine quality content posted directly to your blog...DAILY

NOTHING IS UNIQUE IF ITS SPUN OR COPIED.

Im sorry Horny, you call me a fool and yet the IM world continues to revolve around you while you stick your head in the sand. The words you speak=non sense.

Of course a well written original article doesn't "need" spinning, what ever gave you that bright idea? Properly spun articles do have their place and are still being used on a massive scale by marketers savvy enough to know their use.

And of course copied content isn't unique. That's like saying "a bus isn't a train if it's a bus". Well, duh!?

How in the hell is my sig a contradiction to anything I just wrote? That has absolutely nothing to do with article spinning. Unless i'm mistaken you seem to be, once again, showing your ignorance by making "ass"umptions. Keep up with your generalizations and keep making an ass out of yourself.

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Horny Devil

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by dennis09

Im sorry horny, you call me a fool and yet the IM world continues to revolve around you.

Of course a well written original article doesn't "need" spinning, what ever gave you that bright idea? Properly spun articles do have their place are still being used on a massive scale by those marketers savvy enough to know there use.

How in the hell is my sig a contradiction to anything I just wrote? You don't like it don't look at it.

Numerous grammatical errors yet again. Your simply not a writer are you? Don't work yourself up so much, and try to get some sleep

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MattCatania 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Horny Devil

Numerous grammatical errors yet again. You're simply not a writer are you? Don't work yourself up so much, and try to get some sleep

Fixed that for you (:
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  Originally Posted by MattCatania
  
  Fixed that for you (:
  
  lol Thanks for quoting before he could change it.
  
  It's a forum for christ sakes, stop getting all bent out of shape over grammar. It's not like the WF pays you to post
  
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MissTerraK

12 years ago

Originally Posted by dennis09

What is it that people that respond to these threads don't understand? They come here to the WF, and in an effort to appear knowledgeable spout non-sense and think its ok.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with content spinning, so long as it's done and used properly. If you spend 5+ hours to spin a document then i guarantee you won't see it as being lazy. Actually, the lazy people are the ones pushing the easy button and giving article spinning a bad rep.

It actually takes MORE skill, talent, and creativity to be able to significantly reword an article sentence by sentence several times. ALL WHILE being able to keep in mind how it will fit into the surrounding syntax to produce a structurally sound and cohesive idea.

Those of you spouting about how "real" writers don't blah blah blah, only shows your lack of experience. I have plenty of clients that pay top dollar to have original articles written and spun to a degree that every resulting document ACTUALLY MAKES SENSE and comes out unique and user engaging. Who would've ever thought that was possible? :confused:

Genuine, quality article writers and marketers realize that content comes in many different forms, which includes spun syntax. If you are too lazy to hone your skills, put in the work, and expand your boundaries then we don't wish to be associated with you.

edit: fixed a few errors before the f#cking grammar patrol showed up

With all due respect, content writers that do have a lot of experience understand that it takes more talent and creativity to spin articles in their brains, utilizing the same information making it equally compelling except by coming in with a different angle. Like it or not, no spinner can do that.

I think the crust of the matter is whether you believe you have the talent to write about the same thing, all the while making it as equally unique and engaging as the first article from your own creative juices, or not.

I guess we are just different breeds from different camps is all.

Terra

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dennis09

12 years ago

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

With all due respect, content writers that do have a lot of experience understand that it takes more talent and creativity to spin articles in their brains, utilizing the same information making it equally compelling except by coming in with a different angle. Like it or not, no spinner can do that.

I think the crust of the matter is whether you believe you have the talent to write about the same thing, all the while making it as equally unique and engaging as the first article from your own creative juices, or not.

I guess we are just different breeds from different camps is all.

Terra

Hi Terra,

In my experience, rewriting a single article into a different voice (1st, 2nd, 3rd perspective) and angle does indeed require a lot of talent and creativity.

But still, it takes far more talent, effort, and creativity to manually create a syntax that actually comes out making complete sense. I'm talking about spins that actually produce articles that oftentimes rivals the original. Obviously it can be pretty rare to come across these, but then again if you did you probably wouldn't even know if it was spun.

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MissTerraK

12 years ago

Originally Posted by dennis09

Hi Terra,

In my experience, rewriting a single article into a different voice (1st, 2nd, 3rd perspective) and angle does indeed require a lot of talent and creativity.

But still, it takes far more talent, effort, and creativity to manually create a syntax that actually comes out making complete sense. I'm talking about spins that actually produce articles that oftentimes rivals the original. Obviously it can be pretty rare to come across these, but then again if you did you probably wouldn't even know if it was spun.

I am pleased to see that you view rewriting a single article into a different voice such as 1st, 2nd, 3rd perspective as requiring a lot of talent and creativity, however, exceptional writers find that to be rather easy.

What I was referring to was giving it a different view as in using different analogies and conceptualizations to relate the same information, but with quite a different flavor that appeals to different people's likes and tastes.

For instance comparing the topic to engine repair to one group and the running of a restaurant to another and again as the necessities in every woman's closet as another. The same information, but written to appeal to different groups. Again, no spinner can do that.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

I am pleased to see that you view rewriting a single article into a different voice such as 1st, 2nd, 3rd perspective as requiring a lot of talent and creativity, however, exceptional writers find that to be rather easy.

What I was referring to was giving it a different view as in using different analogies and conceptualizations to relate the same information, but with quite a different flavor that appeals to different people's likes and tastes.

For instance comparing the topic to engine repair to one group and the running of a restaurant to another and again as the necessities in every woman's closet as another. The same information, but written to appeal to different groups. Again, no spinner can do that.

Terra

Hi Terra!!

I understand exactly what you mean and you are correct. But that type of content is better suited for being posted directly to money sites where it has the highest chance of being read by real visitors, vs sent out to an article directory for a backlink.

But if I did have to spin a document at that level it would still take more creativity and work. For example, think about having to go back and rewrite your analogies and conceptualizations several times in order to produce the same "idea", or to elicit the same emotional response from the reader. This is downright frustrating and honestly I wouldn't even bother unless the client were willing to pay a SIGNIFICANTLY higher amount. But I would be careful with absolutes like impossible or can't be done. It all boils down to how much work you're willing to do.

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MissTerraK

12 years ago

Originally Posted by dennis09

But in all honesty

May I take the liberty of finishing that for you?

But in all honesty, you can't take apart a Corvette down to the nuts and bolts, leather upholstery and thread, and all stereo components, and put them into a large circular bin, turn the crank and spin it until eternity and ever expect to obtain anything close to a fully assembled Corvette. :p

Sorry, but I couldn't resist.

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dennis09

12 years ago

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

May I take the liberty of finishing that for you?

But in all honesty, you can't take apart a Corvette down to the nuts and bolts, leather apolstry and thread, and all stereo components, and put them into large circular bin, turn the crank and ever expect to obtain anything close to a fully assembled Corevette. :p

Sorry, but I couldn't resist.

Terra

lol you devil! I'd rather have a Lamborghini anyway.

But what if you took all those nuts, bolts, and stereo components and placed them into a high tech, fully automated factory that could produce several fully assembled Corvette's. Making the initial investment to build the factory could be more than worth the effort if you sold enough Corvette's. That's how millionaires are made, the one's with no money are still hand building Corvettes one at a time.

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MissTerraK 12 years ago

Originally Posted by dennis09

lol you devil! I'd rather have a Lamborghini anyway.

Touche'

Terra

Edit -Now who's the little devil?

Adding more to your post after I retire for the evening to get my beauty sleep making it appear as though I conceded to your assembly line analogy. Although I could write quite a rebuttal, it wouldn't change a thing and I graciously propose we just agree to disagree. I'm afraid this thread has turned a bit ugly and I don't do ugly.

Oh, I do thank you for the fun and friendly banter however.
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BulletheadX

12 years ago

Originally Posted by dennis09

I have plenty of clients that pay top dollar to have original articles written and spun to a degree that every resulting document ACTUALLY MAKES SENSE and comes out unique and user engaging.

Which still doesn't answer the question "Why do it at all?"

I mean, I see why you do it; you get paid for it. My question is "What the hell do your 'customers' want it for?"

Google doesn't care, and real people have very sensitive BS meters. Even if they never see the other versions of the article, they're going to have trust issues because because anybody that's read over 100K words in their lives is going to have that subtle uncomfortable feeling one gets when reading bad writing. It's like that old fish wrapper at the bottom of the trash can. You know something's off, even if you're not sure exactly what or where it is.

The fact that one can do it all, and all this software exists for it, is like the ability to spin a basketball on one's finger; it's interesting for half a moment, then everybody that knows better moves on because it's completely irrelevant to the game.

Yet people come on here and insist that finger-spinning the ball is essential to winning, or at least it ought to be done, "just to be safe".

I don't get it.

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dennis09

12 years ago

Originally Posted by BulletheadX

Which still doesn't answer the question "Why do it at all?"

I mean, I see why you do it; you get paid for it. My question is "What the hell do your 'customers' want it for?"

Google doesn't care, and real people have very sensitive BS meters. Even if they never see the other versions of the article, they're going to have trust issues because because anybody that's read over 100K words in their lives is going to have that subtle uncomfortable feeling one gets when reading bad writing. It's like that old fish wrapper at the bottom of the trash can. You know something's off, even if you're not sure exactly what or where it is.

The fact that one can do it all, and all this software exists for it, is like the ability to spin a basketball on one's finger; it's interesting for half a moment, then everybody that knows better moves on because it's completely irrelevant to the game.

Yet people come on here and insist that finger-spinning the ball is essential to winning, or at least it ought to be done, "just to be safe".

I don't get it.

Backlinks my son, the backlinks. Quality article directories usually check for copied & spun content (poorly anyway). i.e. ezinearticles. Now if you use a linking strategy that requires a LOT of contextual content, then it would be a miserable and complete waste of time writing original articles for every single link. And im talking over 1,000+. No way in hell you're going to write or purchase that many articles on a consistent basis, only a matter of time before you give up on that idea.

Some marketers with HUGE portfolios (im talking 100+ niche sites) or private blog networks also use them to keep said sites updated on a regular basis. But I always caution against that because it can still leave a potentially huge footprint therefore exposing the "identity" of such a network.

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TheArticlePros

12 years ago

Originally Posted by William Maloney

It's a good technique, as long as the articles pass Copyscape, then it's alright. I think everybody used this technique at least once, rewriting articles can be a great method of keeping the quality content and informations, just rephrasing here and there.

Confucius say never trust man who think the plural of "information" is "informations."

-- Confucius

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cellington

12 years ago

The reason there is no definitive answer is because there is no definitive answer. There is no controversy about whether or not arsenic will kill you. It's proven. There's actually a test one can conduct that will give a definitive, replicable result. Not only that, but there are no Pro-Arsenic advocates who are putting out other information. Arsenic is poisonous to humans. End of story.

But article spinning has fans and detractors. It has people seeking profit for their advocacy of one position over the other. There is no definitive study that shows article spinning does or does not work. And article spinning can be done in so many different ways it's very difficult to make a blanket statement about the power, or the failure, of article spinning.

I know for a fact that putting the very same piece of content on multiple websites does not trigger a Google Penalty. I have my articles scattered across the web and I get a lot of traffic from them.

But you don't have to worry about my articles. What about big players out in the world? Check out today's headlines about Mubarak's health from the Associated Press:

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Found at: News from The Associated Press

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Exact same content here at boston.com
Doctors twice use defibrillator on Egypt's Mubarak - Boston.com

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Exact same content here at ABC station WQOQ in Wisconsin:
Doctors twice use defibrillator on Egypt's Mubarak - WQOW TV: Eau Claire, WI NEWS18 News, Weather, and Sports

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Exact same content here at the Tehran Times:
Doctors twice use defibrillator on Mubarak - Tehran Times

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Mubarak4 - captmaker's library)

There are many more examples - just use Google to search for the title and author. (Doctors twice use defibrillator on Egypt's Mubarak HAMZA HENDAWI) You'll see duplicate content is not a problem.

On the other hand, a well-spun article (let's just ignore the bad word-level article spinning, shall we?) can provide a unique experience to a site visitor. And done well, yes, it takes extra time, but the article is unique, providing a better user experience for anyone who happens to read both the Tehran Times *and* WQOW in Wisconsin.

Spinning is just a method. Some people prefer it, others do not. If you prefer it, use it. If you deplore it, do not.

Consider instead for SEO to be a side benefit of quality articles, not its primary objective.

I could not agree more. Articles are for people, not for spiders. Spiders don't buy stuff, don't subscribe to newsletters, don't tweet or like your content. That's where the action is - so make sure you put good content (whether spun or not) out there for people to digest.

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dennis09

12 years ago

Originally Posted by cellington

And article spinning can be done in so many different ways it's very difficult to make a blanket statement about the power, or the failure, of article spinning.

Spinning is just a method. Some people prefer it, others do not. If you prefer it, use it. If you deplore it, do not.

Agreed and agreed. If you do not prefer it then do not spit venom at those who do and warn others of fake danger.

Spinning is just another tactic/strategy that CAN be useful IF you have the use FOR it.

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Horny Devil

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Originally Posted by dennis09

. . . . And its funny you call me childish and then proceed to call me a college reject. I am a military veteran (82nd Airborne Infantry) in college RIGHT NOW at CSU East Bay with a 3.6 gpa.

You should act your age then. Defending your country, and defending your abysmal writing and 'spinning' skills (term used very loosely) are two very different things.

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dennis09

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Horny Devil

Dennis, there's a hundred and one things you could do in IM. Why article spinning? Your seriously selling yourself short, and I mean that in a nice way. Think about it.

Goodnight.

If you really want to know, I was doing quite well with SEO before my portfolio was completely wiped out after BMR got nailed.

I offer article spinning (in addition to other services) because I am damn good at it and frankly I do not see ANY competition at my level. At all. It is a much needed service and that allows me to make a decent income while I get other sites in place. I am not afraid to do a little "dirty" work to make an honest living.

p.s. I honestly enjoyed arguing with you, goodnight.

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BulletheadX

12 years ago

Mkay. So, sticking with ezinearticles, since you brought them up: They don't require unique, unpublished content, and the article page backlink is PR0. As for spun articles, their editorial guidelines state that articles "Must Not Contain Rehashed Content, or Material Overly Similar to your Prior Submissions." (emphasis added)

If "rehashed content" isn't a euphemism for "spun articles", I don't know what it is. Furthermore, Google is reportedly actively penalizing these kinds backlinks under certain (many) circumstances. So, those kind of backlinks tend to range from generally worthless to actually harmful.

Given all that, I'll rephrase the question: If you want spun articles for these kind of backlinks, what the hell do you want the backlinks for?

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by BulletheadX

Mkay. So, sticking with ezinearticles, since you brought them up: They don't require unique, unpublished content, and the article page backlink is PR0. As for spun articles, their editorial guidelines state that articles "Must Not Contain Rehashed Content, or Material Overly Similar to your Prior Submissions." (emphasis added)

If "rehashed content" isn't a euphemism for "spun articles", I don't know what it is. Furthermore, Google is reportedly actively penalizing these kinds backlinks under certain (many) circumstances. So, those kind of backlinks tend to range from generally worthless to actually harmful.

Given all that, I'll rephrase the question: If you want spun articles for these kind of backlinks, what the hell do you want the backlinks for?

My apologies Bullethead, ezinearticles was obviously a bad example, but my point still remains.

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SocialMediaOwls

12 years ago

June 2012.....hmmmm.....article marketing.....spinning......this comes to mind

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Originally Posted by SocialMediaOwls

June 2012.....hmmmm.....article marketing.....spinning......this comes to mind

I disagree. That .gif is funny. The spinning conversation just isn't, especially with the way this one deteriorated.
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  The spinning conversation just isn't, especially with the way this one deteriorated.
  
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  Charles Dickens, he say "Fan the sinking flame of hilarity with the wing of friendship, and pass the rosy wine".
  
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  Charles Dickens, he say "Fan the sinking flame of hilarity with the wing of friendship, and pass the rosy wine".
  
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  Charles Dickens, he say "Fan the sinking flame of hilarity with the wing of friendship, and pass the rosy wine".
  
  Oooh, that's good Paul!
  
  I don't recollect having heard that quote before, but I love it because I live by "laughter maketh a merry medicine" and therefore think it fits me to a "Ms T."
  
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rajat2k2k

12 years ago

Wow So much useful stuff in this thread!!

I have a question.

I do understand that for submitting to ezine directories we do not need any spinning since we can do syndication.

What about web2.0 properties back links? Can I make a blog at Wordpress ...upload the same article and creat a back link and it will be considered syndication??

Also for hubpages I think we need unique articles. I want to use hubpages because it gets lots of its own traffic from other hubbers....so article spinning for hubpages and squidoo might be good. I want to be hubpages and squidoo for their own internal traffic. So do people spin when submitting to hubpages, squidoo etc??

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dennis09

12 years ago

Originally Posted by rajat2k2k

Wow So much useful stuff in this thread!!

I have a question.

I do understand that for submitting to ezine directories we do not need any spinning since we can do syndication.

What about web2.0 properties back links? Can I make a blog at Wordpress ...upload the same article and creat a back link and it will be considered syndication??

Also for hubpages I think we need unique articles. I want to use hubpages because it gets lots of its own traffic from other hubbers....so article spinning for hubpages and squidoo might be good. I want to be hubpages and squidoo for their own internal traffic. So do people spin when submitting to hubpages, squidoo etc??

Im fuzzy as to exactly what article directories/web 2.0's require what, but yes people do submit (properly) spun articles directly to hubpages and squidoo. Just make sure it's not auto spun garbage else it's only a matter of time before your pages get removed.

If you want to use that as a strategy then I recommend you join Rusty Moore's mastermind group. fitnessblogtraining.com Lot's of solid info and exact strategies that are actually working...right now.

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Originally Posted by rajat2k2k

Can I make a blog at Wordpress ...upload the same article and creat a back link and it will be considered syndication??

Not so much: it will simply be considered the breach of wordpress.com's terms of service that it is, and the blog will be deleted as soon as a staff member sees it (which may be "whenever a competitor flags it").

Originally Posted by rajat2k2k

Also for hubpages I think we need unique articles.

That isn't a reason to post previously unpublished articles on a site you yourself can never own or control: it's a reason to stop using HubPages.

Originally Posted by rajat2k2k

I want to use hubpages because it gets lots of its own traffic from other hubbers....

Ah, I see ... we live on different planets.

More prosaically, if you seriously imagine that's going to help you to build your business, our concepts of "internet marketing" are probably too distant and unrelated even to be able to discuss this meaningfully.

Originally Posted by rajat2k2k

I want to be hubpages and squidoo for their own internal traffic.

If you'll excuse my bluntness and brevity, meant with no hostility at all, the sooner you change your mind about that, the sooner you have a chance of eventually making a living in this game.

These threads (the whole threads, not just the individual posts linked to here) may help you (but only if you're open to changing your mind) ...

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post6339589

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post6319532
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dennon

12 years ago

Personally, I would go for average quality of the article with good uniqueness rather than REALLY GOOD quality of the article. Why? Well, I can produce more articles at a faster pace than putting so much time and energy producing "really good" article.

So to answer your question - it's bad for me.

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cellington

12 years ago

If "rehashed content" isn't a euphemism for "spun articles", I don't know what it is. Furthermore, Google is reportedly actively penalizing these kinds backlinks under certain (many) circumstances.

It's a very bad idea to post multiple spun versions on someone else's site (or even your own site!) as if they are completely different articles.

However, placing a well spun version on one site, and a different, still well-spun version on another site (and so on...) is quite considerate. It offends no one - not the site owner, not the site visitor, not the search engines.