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I'm thinking of starting up my first WSO but I have a few questions.

I know the costs like the price of the WSO ($40) and the PayPal fees (3.4%) and the WSO Pro listing fees ($19 or 2.5%) but are there any other costs involved I don't know about?

Also, Is a domain and hosting needed to deliver the product?

And, what are the average sales for a GOOD QUALITY wso? Like 100? 1,000? 10,000?

Thanks,
Tim
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  • Profile picture of the author E. Brian Rose
    Originally Posted by TimGreen1 View Post


    And, what are the average sales for a GOOD QUALITY wso? Like 100? 1,000? 10,000?

    Thanks,
    Tim
    If you took two sellers in alternate universes, both selling the exact same product with the exact same sales thread on the WSO forum, one may sell 5,000 copies and the other only sell 5 copies.

    It's all about marketing your product to those that will help you promote it.
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    • Profile picture of the author TimGreen1
      Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose View Post

      If you took two sellers in alternate universes, both selling the exact same product with the exact same sales thread on the WSO forum, one may sell 5,000 copies and the other only sell 5 copies.

      It's all about marketing your product to those that will help you promote it.
      Yeah I get that, might have been a bit too broad.

      Could you help me with the other questions?
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  • Profile picture of the author Prashant_W
    I'm going to skip the bit on domain and hosting because I'm really not sure.

    But as for average sales... You're missing the point in my opinion. The quality of your product matters. But your sales will stink if they're not accompanied by the following:

    1) Targeted traffic (meaning you need to market the balls off your product given the sheer volume of WSOs posted daily)

    2) Mouth watering copy
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  • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
    Originally Posted by TimGreen1 View Post

    I'm thinking of starting up my first WSO but I have a few questions.

    I know the costs like the price of the WSO ($40) and the PayPal fees (3.4%) and the WSO Pro listing fees ($19 or 2.5%) but are there any other costs involved I don't know about?

    Also, Is a domain and hosting needed to deliver the product?
    No, but it is highly recommended. People don't like waiting for their products to be e-mailed to them. They want instant access /delivery.

    You can also use a 3rd party service to deliver your digital goods (JV ZOO, Warrior Plus, E-Junkie, etc.).

    And, what are the average sales for a GOOD QUALITY wso? Like 100? 1,000? 10,000?

    Thanks,
    Tim
    While I'm sure there IS an over all average, that would not give you an accurate idea on what YOUR WSO would do. There are just way too many factors to consider (the product itself, how much promotion you do, affiliates who promote your product, your customer service, your sales copy, etc.).

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  • Profile picture of the author RyanLeonard
    Originally Posted by TimGreen1 View Post

    I'm thinking of starting up my first WSO but I have a few questions.

    I know the costs like the price of the WSO ($40) and the PayPal fees (3.4%) and the WSO Pro listing fees ($19 or 2.5%) but are there any other costs involved I don't know about?

    Also, Is a domain and hosting needed to deliver the product?

    And, what are the average sales for a GOOD QUALITY wso? Like 100? 1,000? 10,000?

    Thanks,
    Tim
    The only other fee that I can think of is a war room subscription that you need in order to post a WSO. It's $37 for a lifetime war room upgrade.

    Hosting, domain?
    NO, not if you go through JVzoo or wsopro. Also, using JVZoo is free, they just take out a (very)small fee for each sale.

    There's no telling how many copies you'll sell. You'll sell more if affiliates jump on board.

    The only other cost that is not mandatory, but HIGHLY reccomended is a subscription to an auto responder (like getresponse). I would NEVER launch a WSO without being able to capture leads.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kim Standerline
    Hi Tim

    I have no idea about wso prolisting fees as I've never used it, thoroughly reccomend www.jvzoo.com though and you dont have to pay any listing fees,

    If using something like JVzoo etc then no you dont need a domain or hosting as folks can download from there.

    Difficult talking about what average sales are as they differ for everyone, I've had some where I've been lucky to get my money back then others where I've done thousands of dollars, it probably depends on what your selling and the feedback you'll get from others about that particular product to name just a couple of reasons

    I'm sure others will jump in with better advice

    Kim

    Originally Posted by TimGreen1 View Post

    I'm thinking of starting up my first WSO but I have a few questions.

    I know the costs like the price of the WSO ($40) and the PayPal fees (3.4%) and the WSO Pro listing fees ($19 or 2.5%) but are there any other costs involved I don't know about?

    Also, Is a domain and hosting needed to deliver the product?

    And, what are the average sales for a GOOD QUALITY wso? Like 100? 1,000? 10,000?

    Thanks,
    Tim
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    • Profile picture of the author TimGreen1
      Originally Posted by Kim Standerline View Post

      Hi Tim

      I have no idea about wso prolisting fees as I've never used it, thoroughly reccomend www.jvzoo.com though and you dont have to pay any listing fees,

      If using something like JVzoo etc then no you dont need a domain or hosting as folks can download from there.

      Difficult talking about what average sales are as they differ for everyone, I've had some where I've been lucky to get my money back then others where I've done thousands of dollars, it probably depends on what your selling and the feedback you'll get from others about that particular product to name just a couple of reasons

      I'm sure others will jump in with better advice

      Kim
      Thanks for the tips.

      There was this one video I saw of a Warrior, didn't show his name but it said his WSO Pro earnings was $25million (pretty sure it wasn't photo shopped).

      Is this realistic I know it would come with experience but is this a realistic figure?
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      • Profile picture of the author Kim Standerline
        Good gracious there's nothing like aiming high

        I've absolutely no idea whether that's true or not (the sceptical side of me says not), but who knows...

        I'd suggest it's a tad high to aim for if you're just starting out!!!

        Originally Posted by TimGreen1 View Post

        Thanks for the tips.

        There was this one video I saw of a Warrior, didn't show his name but it said his WSO Pro earnings was $25million (pretty sure it wasn't photo shopped).

        Is this realistic I know it would come with experience but is this a realistic figure?
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      • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
        Originally Posted by TimGreen1 View Post

        There was this one video I saw of a Warrior, didn't show his name but it said his WSO Pro earnings was $25million (pretty sure it wasn't photo shopped).
        Use your intuition. Is someone worth $25 Million going to be posting crummy YouTube videos about how they made $25 Million? The profit to be had by that kind of promotion isn't worth the work to someone that already has that kind of money

        I 110% guarantee you that nobody has made even $1 Million selling WSOs. The reach just isn't there to do it. This forum gets a lot of traffic, but not anywhere close to enough for that.
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        • Profile picture of the author Dustin Lyle
          Originally Posted by DubDubDubDot View Post

          Use your intuition. Is someone worth $25 Million going to be posting crummy YouTube videos about how they made $25 Million? The profit to be had by that kind of promotion isn't worth the work to someone that already has that kind of money

          I 110% guarantee you that nobody has made even $1 Million selling WSOs. The reach just isn't there to do it. This forum gets a lot of traffic, but not anywhere close to enough for that.



          I would like to agree with you as it seems like a HUGE stretch to believe that the volume is their. HOWEVER, I can personally attest that two separate individuals I know, (one of which has just taken the roll as my mentor), have definitely cleared a million with their WSO's. The thing to remember is this, for every active member of a forum, their are 2 or more people that visit actively that are not members, and even more people that just stopping through...


          This is the 147th most visited website in the US alone and the 160th globally, now thats reach... And considering that most every person here is here for ONE reason (cha ching?), your talking about a very very targeted audience each and every time. Not niche targeted, but lifestyle targeted.


          And about that million dollar mark... Yes, I have been standing in person at the computer as he logged in and proved to me his earnings. Over 3 years time, he sold 4 separate products each at $197. His lowest selling product by volume was 700 copies, and his highest was around 2500.

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      • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
        Originally Posted by TimGreen1 View Post

        Thanks for the tips.

        There was this one video I saw of a Warrior, didn't show his name but it said his WSO Pro earnings was $25million (pretty sure it wasn't photo shopped).

        Is this realistic I know it would come with experience but is this a realistic figure?
        If it's the same video that I'm thinking about he was talking about the total WSO Pro sales at the time (it's about to break 38 million as of this writing), not his individual sales.

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      • Profile picture of the author WillR
        Originally Posted by TimGreen1 View Post

        There was this one video I saw of a Warrior, didn't show his name but it said his WSO Pro earnings was $25million (pretty sure it wasn't photo shopped).

        Is this realistic I know it would come with experience but is this a realistic figure?
        Some people still make me laugh... hard.

        $25 million? You're kidding right?

        That person was showing you the TOTAL sales for Warrior Plus, meaning ALL products ever sold through the system.

        You need to be a little realistic about things. If you are here expecting to make $25 million you probably need to get back washing cars.

        As Bruce correctly said, the average WSO will sell very few copies. There are a lot that have sold less than 10 copies. The WSO's you see that sell thousands of copies are the very small minority and you only see those WSO's because they can afford to keep bumping them to the top pages.

        The majority of WSO's just slide off the first few pages never to return and so you never see them.
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  • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
    The quality of the product does not seem to matter. It's all about the sales copy and how many fake reviews you can round up. I've seen WSOs with hundreds of replies and the product inside was just a big joke. On the flipside, people who know what they are talking about may not know to play the games that go in in the WSO area, so they sell nothing.
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    • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
      Originally Posted by DubDubDubDot View Post

      The quality of the product does not seem to matter. It's all about the sales copy and how many fake reviews you can round up. I've seen WSOs with hundreds of replies and the product inside was just a big joke. On the flipside, people who know what they are talking about may not know to play the games that go in in the WSO area, so they sell nothing.
      If you look at the refund rates of those crappy products you'll see that quality does matter.

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    • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
      Originally Posted by DubDubDubDot View Post

      The quality of the product does not seem to matter. It's all about the sales copy and how many fake reviews you can round up. I've seen WSOs with hundreds of replies and the product inside was just a big joke. On the flipside, people who know what they are talking about may not know to play the games that go in in the WSO area, so they sell nothing.
      Close.

      Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose View Post

      It's all about marketing your product to those that will help you promote it.
      THIS.

      I would say that it's about three things:

      1. (very important) Attracting hard hitting WSO affiliates.

      2. (important) Shiny sales copy. Promise a lot, it doesn't matter what your product quality is. Fake earnings, fake reviews, fake results (almost impossible to tell anyways - unless someone investigates).

      3. (least important) Fake reviews from friends/business partners. Calling these reviews fake is a little cheeky, I know... They HAVE read the product after all. It's just that, in my mind, reviews from business partners and friends should not count.

      I bought a couple WSO's out of curiosity. They were both about building websites, which is what I do, so... Yea, a complete waste of time. Sales copy was all hype, the products lack any substance and could have been written by any of my interns (who sort of understand this "site building business", but not really).

      Both of those WSO's made huge sales, were promoted by tonnes of people and all that. All hype. **** products.

      I know, I know. It's just business. I have no hard feelings towards anyone.

      P.S. I know that there are a few good WSO's here and there. It's just that the signal to noise ratio is like WOAHH!
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  • Profile picture of the author quercus5
    The number of sales has to do with the marketing and overall clout of the seller. The same product can do different amounts of sales depending on how it is marketed. Unfortunately most of it has to do with the sales page, especially with WSOs.
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  • Profile picture of the author paul nicholls
    if your serious about launching a wso then you need some tools to help and there will be costs involved

    here are the costs in a nutshell

    war room sub if you havent already got it (around $37)

    wso pro listing fee - $19

    wso pro OTO fee - $19 (optional)

    somewhere to host your files or videos (I use amazon aws, there awesome) fees vary

    a platform to use to deliver your product - $97 one time payment ( i use optimize press, its awesome)

    WSO listing fee - $40

    any graphics, images, sales pages or covers that you may need as well

    you dont have to use wso pro, but in my opinion, its the best platform to use to pick up affiliates
    and also its a great platform which pays all your affiliates instantly, plus lots of other benefits too

    as to how many sales you will make, that is an impossible question

    its like saying "if i build a website how much money will it make"

    some sellers launch wso`s and make 3 sales, some make a few hundreds, and some a couple of thousand. Generally your first WSO won`t make it big unless you have a massive list yourself to push it, or lots of jv partners already on board

    wso`s do work great but there is a learning curve the same as anything else

    paul
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    • Profile picture of the author Venkat001
      Originally Posted by paul nicholls View Post

      if your serious about launching a wso then you need some tools to help and there will be costs involved

      here are the costs in a nutshell

      war room sub if you havent already got it (around $37)

      wso pro listing fee - $19

      wso pro OTO fee - $19 (optional)

      somewhere to host your files or videos (I use amazon aws, there awesome) fees vary

      a platform to use to deliver your product - $97 one time payment ( i use optimize press, its awesome)

      WSO listing fee - $40

      any graphics, images, sales pages or covers that you may need as well

      you dont have to use wso pro, but in my opinion, its the best platform to use to pick up affiliates
      and also its a great platform which pays all your affiliates instantly, plus lots of other benefits too

      as to how many sales you will make, that is an impossible question

      its like saying "if i build a website how much money will it make"

      some sellers launch wso`s and make 3 sales, some make a few hundreds, and some a couple of thousand. Generally your first WSO won`t make it big unless you have a massive list yourself to push it, or lots of jv partners already on board

      wso`s do work great but there is a learning curve the same as anything else

      paul
      Thanks for putting everything as a summary
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  • Profile picture of the author SarahJane
    Is it not just need warrior room account(37) and listing fee (40) isn't it?
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  • Profile picture of the author Bruce NewMedia
    Based on WarriorPlus back room stats, if you remove the "mega launches" (established Warriors with large lists and relationships with other large list owners) from the totals, the average WSO sells less than 50 copies. Joining Warrior+Plus for $4 will give you good data to study. JVZoo also has excellent stats to track how much is selling.
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  • Profile picture of the author elexmedia
    It's all about marketing your product to those that will help you promote it.
    Yes, Affiliate is the main factor that a WSO could get 1000+sales in just a few days. A WSO could get that much sales in short time, is not because of the thread or the product.

    Based on my experience, best-selling WSO Authors are not people who create the best guide, create the most unique product, or have the most beautiful sales page. They are people who have the best technique to attract affiliates.
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  • Profile picture of the author Frank Ayres
    If i sell more than 100 copies of my WSOs then i am pleased. I hardly ever bump my WSOs as i have found it doesnt work for me at $40 a bump. So i wouldnt get too excited about the minority that sell thousands of copies and make a lot of money and this isnt the norm.
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    When you post you WSO don't forget to post here on the DOWNLOAD's section for freeeeee with no bumping fees
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Originally Posted by TimGreen1 View Post

    I'm thinking of starting up my first WSO but I have a few questions.

    I know the costs like the price of the WSO ($40) and the PayPal fees (3.4%) and the WSO Pro listing fees ($19 or 2.5%) but are there any other costs involved I don't know about?

    Also, Is a domain and hosting needed to deliver the product?

    And, what are the average sales for a GOOD QUALITY wso? Like 100? 1,000? 10,000?

    Thanks,
    Tim
    It's a good idea to have a domain and hosting. You need an url to deliver the product. Plus you're supposed to have it listed elsewhere with the WSO being a special price for Warriors rather than it being a WSO only product.

    I use DLGuard to deliver my products, so the product is hosted on my domains and DL Guard delivers it with expiring urls.
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  • Profile picture of the author dukegman
    I know the costs like the price of the WSO
    ($40) and the PayPal fees (3.4%) and the
    WSO Pro listing fees ($19 or 2.5%) but are
    there any other costs involved I don't know
    about?
    Well there is lot of stuff to get done, to launch a wso product. Other than the fees you mentioned, you also need to be a War Room Member to post the WSO thread. The War Room Membership costs 40$ or so (cant remember exactly). Plus there is also a 40$ fee to bump your wso thread.

    Also, Is a domain and hosting needed to
    deliver the product?
    A domain and hosting are not totally necessary, but will be good if you set up one.

    And, what are the average sales for a GOOD QUALITY wso? Like 100? 1,000? 10,000?
    This is a really tricky one. The answer is not simple. There are many factors involved here including but not limited to:

    * Your own first-hand experience as a marketer.

    * How much you have in that niche? Any blog(s), mailing list(s), video channel(s), social page(s) etc.

    * Number of contacts you have in that niche?

    * The number of affiliates you get.

    * How powerfull those affiliates are (any super affiliates?).

    * How much professional and great sales page you have.

    * And so on..

    So you see there IS actually a lot of variables involved. Just work hard and give your best shoot, and hopefully you will be successful.

    Hope this helps you :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author Captain Kent
    well, its quite true that if you have got affiliates to sell for you (than you will sell enough) but still you need a good sales letter, and a nice offer!
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  • Profile picture of the author WillR
    $1 million is definitely possible selling WSO's. Will you make that much from one WSO? No, and I don't believe anyone ever has. But you could definitely do that many sales over a year with a few well executed WSO's that get a lot of support from affiliates. You will also need to have a nice funnel in place so that person who purchased your $7 product can end up purchasing a lot more from you.

    Just look at Warrior Plus which is only ONE of several platforms available for selling WSO's. It is just about to clear the $50 Million worth of sales processed through it. They are only offers run on this forum. So the potential for big numbers is definitely there. I know that from my own first hand experience also.
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