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11 years ago

Hi Andre,
look into the warriors for hire section. You can post an ad, and you can search for people offering jobs.

It will be easier to get jobs if you have a site or blog with samples.

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dhin

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Sandra Martinez

Hi Andre,
look into the warriors for hire section. You can post an ad, and you can search for people offering jobs.

It will be easier to get jobs if you have a site or blog with samples.

Sandra

yes, warriors for hire section is the best section for who need jobs
i got job there

dhin

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plongmire

11 years ago

Originally Posted by andreekriz

Hello Fellow Warriors!

I am looking for the best place to find writing jobs and market myself. Any advice would be helpful, just don't know where to start or if I put this thread in the correct part of the forum. Any advice would be helpful! Thank you in advance for your help!

Andre'

Are you looking to sell articles you write? Or an actual writing gig?

New Writing Jobs | Get Yourself A Better Job

If you want to write articles for marketers go to elance or odesk

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sidcandid 11 years ago

You can find writing jobs at a lot of places. Some of the best places to find writing jobs are Elace, Odesk etc. You can also try Craiglist for local writing jobs. Iwriter.com is another good site to find writing jobs.
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- andreekriz 11 years ago
  
  Thanks, I appreciate all your guidance, I will look into elance and odesk!
  
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  Colin Palfrey 11 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Maxwell Stinson
  
  I'd like to recommend iWriter. It's also a good site where you can be a freelance writer on.
  
  The money offered on that website is absolutely awful.
  
  Originally Posted by Dianzo
  
  Thanks for some good information, writing article look promising, haven't try it before.
  
  I think in all honesty, it isn't for you dude. :rolleyes:
  
  Andre',
  As Rose said, the Warriors for Hire section is good. So is Odesk, Guru, Elance etc. Or you could just start contacting people in industries that you know are in need of regular content. That way you aren't competing with others in a shared marketplace.
  
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  Marx Vergel Melencio 11 years ago
  
  First, are you looking at this as additional personal income, as sustainable personal income, or as something that will lead to a sustainable business for you? Second, what industries and subject areas do you have specialized expertise that makes you more valuable than others in the marketplaces of those industries? Third, how much value will players in those industries willingly exchange for your specialized expertise and services? Fourth, there are different things you should know with each option, namely:
  
  OPTION ONE: ADDITIONAL PERSONAL INCOME
  
  How many hours can you devote per day, how many days per week, how many weeks per month? What can you produce with the time you spend? How much additional personal income do you need per day, per week, per month? Check out marketplaces where buyers go, to look for writers who need additional personal income. Study prices they're willing to pay and what they expect from that price. Also check out other writers in those marketplaces, what they're offering, what price, what sort of output for that price. These marketplaces are mostly freelancing sites and MMO/SEO/IM Web forums.
  
  OPTION TWO: SUSTAINABLE PERSONAL INCOME
  
  This is a regular 8-hour/day job, though you can work from home. How much sustainable personal income do you need? Your specialized expertise, in which industries and subject areas? The value of your specialized expertise for players in those industries? How much are they willing to pay for your level of expertise? How much are others asking, for their similar expertise? Find businesses, companies and corporations who need your expertise, of course willing to pay what you need. Cold contact them.
  
  OPTION THREE: SUSTAINABLE LABOR CONTRACTING BUSINESS
  
  Gain experience from option one and option two marketplaces. Gather leads from option one and option two. Formulate labor subcontracting arrangement proposals, with enough time for you to produce needed free time and monetary capital, register a business, set up an office with the right tools and equipment, develop screening, testing, hiring, training, management, marketing, backend and frontend processes, and have your group of employees ready for the contracts you signed up with some of your leads.
  
  TIP: Option 2 buyers, especially corporations, and especially if your expertise is in ICT (Information and Communications Technology), software and consumer technology industries, will provide you with more sustainable business, than option 1 buyers, though of course, treat them equally.
  
  TIP: Labor contracting businesses go up and down with the economy. This is why you should target options 1 and 2 buyers, and formulate more creative service offers, like lower service rates with commissions per sale you generate for your clients, and in this model, option 2 buyers will provide you with the quickest ROI and the best net profits, in my experience. Plus, most buyers feel a sense of guarantee that your business will provide excellent services and could even use its own internal resources to drive traffic and generate sales for them. I for one will let them know that our business will use our own internal resources to drive traffic and generate sales for them with such an arrangement...
  
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Maxwell Stinson

11 years ago

I'd like to recommend iWriter. It's also a good site where you can be a freelance writer on.

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hebsgaard

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Maxwell Stinson

I'd like to recommend iWriter. It's also a good site where you can be a freelance writer on.

I'd agree that iWriter is a decent place when you're starting out. It's a good place to gain some experience writing for others, but I wouldn't base my entire career on it. Having been on both ends at iWriter (writer and buyer) there is no doubt that anybody with half decent writing skills should be able to make some money there. A lot of the articles I have received from writers were obviously spun into eternal unreadability.

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Colin Palfrey

11 years ago

Originally Posted by hebsgaard

I'd agree that iWriter is a decent place when you're starting out. It's a good place to gain some experience writing for others, but I wouldn't base my entire career on it. Having been on both ends at iWriter (writer and buyer) there is no doubt that anybody with half decent writing skills should be able to make some money there. A lot of the articles I have received from writers were obviously spun into eternal unreadability.

In my opinion....
The prices they pay their writers are so low it's shocking. If English was my third language, I'd never seen a keyboard before and could only write by randomly lashing my genitalia off the keys, I would still feel ripped off at their rates.

Did you see the thread in the WSO section, where a writer was trying to voice an opinion? He may as well have been told to get back in his cage. Of course, the fact he was barely literate probably wasn't helping their cause.

Their whole selling point is that the writers are paid virtually nothing and you can reject their work based on a whim. Yeah, that tempts me!

I haven't worked for them personally (I have some self-respect) but I do talk to a lot of writers, and unfortunately a few have. The benefits of that website are purely on the side of the marketers exploiting people from third world countries.

As I said, just my opinion :rolleyes:

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Joseph Robinson

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Marx Vergel Melencio

Hey Joe, I'm not shooting your deputy here, just thought you'd be an excellent subject...

Oh, I'm just glad I could help lol. Very interesting point and motivation for investing in long term strategies too lol. Bachelor life doesn't last forever.

Originally Posted by Colin Palfrey

In my opinion....
The prices they pay their writers are so low it's shocking. If English was my third language, I'd never seen a keyboard before and could only write by randomly lashing my genitalia off the keys, I would still feel ripped off at their rates.

Did you see the thread in the WSO section, where a writer was trying to voice an opinion? He may as well have been told to get back in his cage. Of course, the fact he was barely literate probably wasn't helping their cause.

Their whole selling point is that the writers are paid virtually nothing and you can reject their work based on a whim. Yeah, that tempts me!

I haven't worked for them personally (I have some self-respect) but I do talk to a lot of writers, and unfortunately a few have. The benefits of that website are purely on the side of the marketers exploiting people from third world countries.

As I said, just my opinion :rolleyes:

You're not the only one with that opinion of those sites lol; but convincing others that there is a much better playground to play in is a pretty tough task.

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Cee

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Colin Palfrey

In my opinion....
The prices they pay their writers are so low it's shocking. If English was my third language, I'd never seen a keyboard before and could only write by randomly lashing my genitalia off the keys, I would still feel ripped off at their rates.

Did you see the thread in the WSO section, where a writer was trying to voice an opinion? He may as well have been told to get back in his cage. Of course, the fact he was barely literate probably wasn't helping their cause.

Their whole selling point is that the writers are paid virtually nothing and you can reject their work based on a whim. Yeah, that tempts me!

I haven't worked for them personally (I have some self-respect) but I do talk to a lot of writers, and unfortunately a few have. The benefits of that website are purely on the side of the marketers exploiting people from third world countries.

As I said, just my opinion :rolleyes:

I hadn't heard of them before and just went there to check it out. I couldn't believe the small amount of money they pay for articles. This is beyond slave wages unless you live in a Third World country where it might seem like good pay. If you're just starting out there are many content mills that pay way better than this to start.

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Marx Vergel Melencio

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Colin Palfrey

If English was my third language, I'd never seen a keyboard before and could only write by randomly lashing my genitalia off the keys, I would still feel ripped off at their rates.

If that comes out as a comprehensible report or ebook, then Amsterdam's Sexy Art Gallery could be the best marketplace for that. Been there, and buyers pay avant garde prices for avant garde ideas. Or, the nearby gay bar could be your best bet...

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Joan Altz

11 years ago

If you have some kind of specialization, then you need to buy some kind of lead generation software (like Power Leads Pro sold on this forum), and get the info for businesses you need to target, then contact those people and sell them your services for good money.

If you are just starting out with writing professionally in general, however, and have no specialized knowledge or skills, then you may need to start out at the bottom with Textbroker, Digital Point, and this forum.

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Rose Anderson

11 years ago

You can look in the "Members wanting to hire you" section in the forum and see if you want to respond to any of those threads.

If you post an ad in the Warriors for Hire section then you can also link to it in your signature.

Have some sample articles ready.

Rose

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Joseph Robinson

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Rose Anderson

You can look in the "Members wanting to hire you" section in the forum and see if you want to respond to any of those threads.

If you post an ad in the Warriors for Hire section then you can also link to it in your signature.

Have some sample articles ready.

Rose

^^This. Looking in the Wanted section can actually be good practice for approaching clients yourself. When you can go to them (without coming off as a spammer), you take the guessing and waiting out of the equation.

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andreekriz

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Joe Robinson

^^This. Looking in the Wanted section can actually be good practice for approaching clients yourself. When you can go to them (without coming off as a spammer), you take the guessing and waiting out of the equation.

Thanks Joe! Great thread you had today and happy anniversary!

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laurencewins

11 years ago

If you want ONE place that can give you tons of links to sites where you can find work, I recommend grabbing a copy of my WSO.
It has more than 100 links to sites that have writing and other freelance jobs and so there is sure to be stuff you would be suitable for. Everything mentioned here is also in this ebook so it's a handy shortcut and at only $7, you can't go wrong.

(yes I know... a shameless plug but as there are already numerous threads on this same topic, I didn't want to repeat everything again.)

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BudaBrit

11 years ago

For me, I started writing for clients on oDesk, and got some good feedback as well as one client who has turned into a very regular client. I found it easy to use and I found some good leads - although you do have to look hard sometimes, as it can get filled up with people from countries where $5/hour is a very good wage.

As others have also said, the Warrior For Hire section looks a good bet. I have not advertised yet, but will do when I start to settle down - with set up time and moving house, I'm only just able to fulfill my current orders at the moment!!!

The most important thing is to just keep writing, though! Pick an area of specification if there's one thing you know a lot about, and write articles for a portfolio. Set up a blog, post on forums (I always think this should be forii :p) and engage in some article marketing. If your writing is good, clients will flock to you!

Hope this helps

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MeganFreed

11 years ago

You should create a writing website with some samples of your work and then post the link to it in your signature. I've obtained clients who found my website through my signature link on this forum and others I post on occasionally.

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Amy Harrop

11 years ago

If you can write high quality and error-free content, check out Constant-Content.com You can set your own price and write what you want. It's a great way to write what you are interested in (within their parameters, of course).

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PhilippaWrites

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Colin Palfrey

If English was my third language, I'd never seen a keyboard before and could only write by randomly lashing my genitalia off the keys, I would still feel ripped off at their rates.

This sentence wins the internet.

That is all.

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simplewriting

11 years ago

Hi,

If you are looking to write content for others just because you've heard its a easy way to make some quick cash online, Then you're just setting yourself up for an inevitable disaster!

If your primary goal is to make money online then I guess you could start off by creating your own niche affiliate sites and adding your own content to those sites and possibly try getting traffic via article syndication.

Since I'm new around here I am not allowed to share links yet but there are some pretty nice articles on syndication right here in the forum (Try using the search option)

BUT.... If you are genuinely looking to pursue writing professionally here are a few things you should avoid doing:

* Don't write $5 articles - I am not implying that those who offer their services at this price are "wrong" in any way. Its just that you as a writer must understand that writing content that is readable, entertaining and gets the reader to take action is NOT very easy to write. A LOT of research and time goes into crafting a good article. Just make sure you understand the value of what you're bringing to your customer.

* Focusing too much on seo - You can fit your keywords in the article after you're done writing it. Emphasizing too much on keywords will automatically program you to just fill up the articles with fluff and be done with the articles as soon as possible. Quality first!! Plus, After the recent penguin update, it has become very clear that quality content beats keyword stuffed articles ANY DAY!

Build your portfolio... Offer your services on sites like elance and odesk (These sites have really stiff competition and there is always someone who is willing to work for less, Don't let this discourage you)

Post your service in the "warriors for hire" part of this forum, I know many people here would understand the value of quality content and will be willing to pay very reasonable rates for your work.

Just be confident in your abilities as a writer and be good to your costumers and you'll see success soon

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Marx Vergel Melencio

11 years ago

Also, I advise you to start thinking about the sustainability of your plans:

• Would writing for others until you're 50 be sustainable income for you?

• Would teaching others how to write for others until you're 75 be sustainable income for you? (You'd need to frequently update your digital info products to earn sustainable income from teaching others)

• Would running and growing a business until your 80 be sustainable for you? (I think I'd be dead by 60, especially with my lifestyle)

• Or would having a CEO and your own board of directors for running and growing your business, a trusted broker for handling your stock investments, a trusted finance adviser for managing your assets, vast credit resources and a risk management specialist to minimize your liabilities, by 40, be sustainable for you?

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Marx Vergel Melencio 11 years ago

My post above was inspired by Joe. In his thread, he said he's 22. In another thread, he mentioned he hits his target daily income by working an hour or so. So:

If Joe were to work his ass off 8 hours/day, 5 days/week, 20 days/month, then after a year:

Factoring annual combined devaluation and inflation at 8%, and because of the volatile economy, let's make that 12%/year, that'd mean:

Joe can enjoy the same living standards, without doing anything, until he's 28.16 years old. However, what if there comes more responsibilities and mouths to feed to Joe's doorstep the next year, like a family of his own? Then:

That'd cut down his "doing-nothing-and-still-enjoying-the-same-living-standards situation" 'til he's around 25.08 years old, unless:

He invests in making things more sustainable for him, while he doesn't have additional responsibilities and mouths to feed...

Hey Joe, I'm not shooting your deputy here, just thought you'd be an excellent subject...
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Happybidr

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Marx Vergel Melencio

Also, I advise you to start thinking about the sustainability of your plans:

• Would writing for others until you're 50 be sustainable income for you?

• Would teaching others how to write for others until you're 75 be sustainable income for you? (You'd need to frequently update your digital info products to earn sustainable income from teaching others)

• Would running and growing a business until your 80 be sustainable for you? (I think I'd be dead by 60, especially with my lifestyle)

• Or would having a CEO and your own board of directors for running and growing your business, a trusted broker for handling your stock investments, a trusted finance adviser for managing your assets, vast credit resources and a risk management specialist to minimize your liabilities, by 40, be sustainable for you?

Hmm. Since when is he stuck writing for someone else? I've made six figures as a writer and policy expert, and so have a number of others I know. I think it's easier to make these statements when you've actually been doing it for a few decades, writing real things instead of the crap that people keep trying to get away with through Internet Marketing. That kind of "writing" is what is only worth a few bucks and it can be produced by some Eastern European entrepreneur trying to break into the US market. And it's the kind of writing that Google and Internet readers reject, because it offers nothing or at least it's not worth the time it takes to get through it. I wouldn't be so hard on demeaning an entire way of making a living. Making a living as a writer has at least a few hundred years of proof that it works, whereas IM, as much as we all love it, is still in its early stages of proving itself. Too much of the time, it adds heaps of skepticism to its reputation. He can always invest the money he makes from that, like I have (mine's in commercial real estate). If you want to be a real writer, run as far away as you can from entrepreneurs in IM unless you negotiate a piece of the deal. Create your own products and write for clients and you'll make money. Writers, real writers, don't have to settle for a field where making money is always an iffy proposition. Writing is a GREAT way of life, by the way, even into your 50s, 60s, and beyond!

IMHO

PS Talk about two oxymorons: "trusted broker" and "trusted financial adviser."

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Cee 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Happybidr

PS Talk about two oxymorons: "trusted broker" and "trusted financial adviser."

Ain't that the truth! JP Morgan immediately comes to mind.
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Marx Vergel Melencio

11 years ago

Hi Happybidr,

Originally Posted by Happybidr

Hmm. Since when is he stuck writing for someone else? I've made six figures as a writer and policy expert, and so have a number of others I know. I think it's easier to make these statements when you've actually been doing it for a few decades, writing real things instead of the crap that people keep trying to get away with through Internet Marketing. That kind of "writing" is what is only worth a few bucks and it can be produced by some Eastern European entrepreneur trying to break into the US market. And it's the kind of writing that Google and Internet readers reject, because it offers nothing or at least it's not worth the time it takes to get through it. I wouldn't be so hard on demeaning an entire way of making a living. Making a living as a writer has at least a few hundred years of proof that it works, whereas IM, as much as we all love it, is still in its early stages of proving itself. Too much of the time, it adds heaps of skepticism to its reputation. He can always invest the money he makes from that, like I have (mine's in commercial real estate). If you want to be a real writer, run as far away as you can from entrepreneurs in IM unless you negotiate a piece of the deal. Create your own products and write for clients and you'll make money. Writers, real writers, don't have to settle for a field where making money is always an iffy proposition. Writing is a GREAT way of life, by the way, even into your 50s, 60s, and beyond!

IMHO

PS Talk about two oxymorons: "trusted broker" and "trusted financial adviser."

If you want to write 'til you're knuckles are sore with arthritis, then that's not my problem. There's DNS, anyway. If you want to think I was assuming that the OP isn't planning on investing his or her earnings from writing in other more profitable and sustainable ventures, then that's how you think, in my opinion. What you just shared isn't a logical jump, by any means, in my opinion...

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Happybidr

11 years ago

I'm surprised no one has mentioned options such as writing your own eBooks (which you can sell through Kindle). I think that's a great option for writer without many published works on their resume. My first job out of graduate school was as a newspaper reporter and after that I spent a few decades in policy, legislation, marketing, political campaigns, and recently in developing mobile apps. No matter what I've done, the fact that I can write well and quickly has kept me financially afloat and well off. Before you try to get a job writing, make sure you have some samples of that kind of writing to show the potential client. I've been contacted by some writers whose samples were just awful pieces of crap. So many wannabe writers cannot really write very well, so make sure that you can do it. You'll need to be able to write different styles, too. Since you're posting here, I assume you are interested in doing copywriting, and possibly article writing...? The styles are quite different. Go get some of Bob Bly's books on copywriting to help there. For article writing, skip the Internet and read great articles in Sunday newspaper magazines and other regular magazines. If you've been around awhile and have some old writing still in your electronic files, you might find that you can repurpose it and come up with something that will not only show you can write but also pay you a little money in the process. About ten years ago I wrote a fan fiction using some characters I liked and I just read it again recently and realized that with just a few changes, I've got a great eBook I can sell! You might have some old writing you can make a few changes to, sort of your own PLR (private label rights). Another idea: Go create a blog here and show people what you can do. They'll find you and hire you!

Good luck in your efforts!

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Peter Hansen

11 years ago

You can find lots on them on different sites. Let me know if I can help you Warrior to Warrior.

Good luck
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Thanks Peter! Can you shoot me a PM with those sites?
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dannn1

11 years ago

If you are looking to get hired for writing and marketing tasks, you should check out online work sites like Elance and Guru. On these sites you can post your skills and rates and get hired by people looking to get specific things done for them. It's a good way to make quick money online.

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InternetGeneral

11 years ago

post up in the warriors for hire section.

Or sign up for an account on an outsourcing site like odesk.

At first your probably going to have to take gigs that pay very little but this is just so that you can get your reputation up so that employers will be willing to hire you for more higher dollar jobs.

but once you get a reputation as an established quality content writers you'll have employers knocking at your door offering you positions.

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eman1

11 years ago

Here are a few of the best places:

1. Iwriter
2. Elance
3. Odesk
4. Fiverr

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andreekriz 11 years ago

Originally Posted by eman1

Here are a few of the best places:

1. Iwriter
2. Elance
3. Odesk
4. Fiverr

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