Article spinning academic survey - request for data

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Dear all,

I am conducting research into article spinning (AS) and its effect on the web. As part of this research, I would like to find examples of the use of article spinning to add to the data I have already collected. If you have any examples (URLs), I would be very grateful if you could send them to me at the contact details below. Any responses will be treated as in confidence and your personal information will not be revealed or treated as part of the research.

The aims of the research are (i) to find out how wide-spread is the practice of AS, and (ii) how to effectively detect it (the effectiveness of Google's Penguin update, is, for example, rather mixed in this regard). I know that the second aim might be seen as somewhat controversial, but I want to be open about it.

My contact details if you want to get in touch are:
Simon Courtenage
School of Electronics and Computer Science
University of Westminster
London, UK
You can find my contact details by googling me (I'm unable to add them to this post, as it's my first on WF).

Many thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author lotsofsnow
    Article spinning only works for the vendors of article spinning products.
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    • Profile picture of the author CyberSEO
      Originally Posted by simon2263 View Post

      The aims of the research are (i) to find out how wide-spread is the practice of AS, and (ii) how to effectively detect it (the effectiveness of Google's Penguin update, is, for example, rather mixed in this regard).
      The Penguin update has nothing to do with the detecting of duplicated content. It's all about the "unnatural" links.

      Originally Posted by hpgoodboy View Post

      Article spinning only works for the vendors of article spinning products.
      Yes, it's the ideal case when the content is initially written in spin-ready format (e.g. using Spintax).

      On the other hand, it is still possible to synonymize the static content and get a very quality result which can't be recognized as a spun one (well-made 4-word niche dictionary is the key). Take a look at this video:
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
        Originally Posted by CyberSEO View Post

        The Penguin update has nothing to do with the detecting of duplicated content. It's all about the "unnatural" links.

        Nobody said anything about duplicate content. Spun content is different than duplicate content.

        Spun content is different in that it is far, far ****tier.
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        • Profile picture of the author CyberSEO
          Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

          Nobody said anything about duplicate content.
          Ok, here is a fixed version for you: The Penguin update has nothing to do with the detecting of spun content. It's all about the "unnatural" links.

          Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

          Spun content is different in that it is far, far ****tier.
          Depends on who and how spin it. Watch the video above.
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          • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
            Originally Posted by CyberSEO View Post

            Ok, here is a fixed version for you: The Penguin update has nothing to do with the detecting of spun content. It's all about the "unnatural" links.
            From Google's Webmaster Blog

            Of course, most sites affected by this change aren't so blatant. Here's an example of a site with unusual linking patterns that is also affected by this change. Notice that if you try to read the text aloud you'll discover that the outgoing links are completely unrelated to the actual content, and in fact the page text has been "spun" beyond recognition:

            Now you can take that to mean what you want. I take it to mean that Penguin has some ability to detect spun content. How advanced that ability is, I don't know. But that is part of the "unnatural links". There is nothing "natural" about taking an article, spinning it a 1000 times, and submitting it to 10,000 different places.

            Even if Penguin isn't detecting spun content, you would have to be a fool to believe that Google will not target spun content in the near future even if it is not actively doing so today. If a program can be written to spin an article, it wouldn't be all that hard for a program to unspin it too.

            I've seen enough evidence of sites hit by Penguin with a lot of spun articles in their backlink profile to feel confident that Penguin is hitting backlinks embedded in spun content.

            Originally Posted by CyberSEO View Post

            Depends on who and how spin it. Watch the video above.
            No offense, but you are selling a product that relies on spinning. In my mind, that makes your opinion quite biased.
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            • Profile picture of the author CyberSEO
              Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

              Even if Penguin isn't detecting spun content, you would have to be a fool to believe that Google will not target spun content in the near future even if it is not actively doing so today.
              Consider me a fool, but Google won't penalize your site even if it won't be spun at all and all the content there will be 100% duplicated from other sources as long as it (your site) will be considered interesting for the visitors (avg. visit duration, bounce rate, % new visits etc). I don't want to be engaged into another discussion about it, because everything was explained here on warriorforum already (webalizer stats were posted etc) and everyone who want, can find it all using the built-in search function.

              P.S. I do not promote spinnershief, and I have cited it as an example of the modern content spinning software (one of many) which I'm familiar with. Thus no offense was taken
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by hpgoodboy View Post

      Article spinning only works for the vendors of article spinning products.
      This.

      But, unfortunately, in "spinning discussions" which survive for long enough without the threads being closed by a moderator, members openly advertising spinning-based software and/or services in their signature files will eventually join in. (I never quite know whether it's good or bad that they don't conceal their sig-files in such threads: it's good because at least their possible motivation/incentivization is apparent, perhaps, but then arguably it's also bad because they're supposed to, really?).

      If "further reading" helps/interests anyone, this post, the first half (or so) of this thread, and most of this thread have collectively been really helpful to many people here.

      I remain convinced that most people who "use spinning" are doing so through a fundamental misunderstanding of the realities of "duplicate content". Personally, I like to recommend to them this little article from expert article marketer Anne Pottinger, which I think even includes some direct quotations from Google's WebMaster Central Blog.

      There are also quite a lot of people who imagine that a backlink in Google's supplemental index is somehow "worth less" than one in the main index (honestly - I know it's nonsensical but some people really do believe this, because the realities of explanations and posts like this one have apparently entirely escaped them.)

      This little article is my last offer: it's a very useful and accurate explanation of the subject.
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  • Profile picture of the author multiplecloud
    Interesting research there!

    (ii) how to effectively detect it (the effectiveness of Google's Penguin update

    Do you have further detail and how's progress of this research?
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    • Profile picture of the author simon2263
      @multiplecloud - I already some a few instances of URLs with "spun" content (obviously spun) that rank higher than URLs with content that appears original. For example, doing a search for "Best 3 spyware removal tools" on google produces a URL ranking which, in the middle of page 1, has a link to a page with content that is obviously spun (I know this because I have found spun versions of the same content).

      Right now, I'm investigating how to characterise "spun" content - how best to describe its relationship to the original content, e.g, pronoun order (which pronouns are used and in what order) - so that effective detection methods can be devised, as well as trying to find out how widespread the practice is. I think I also ought to devise some kind of categorization of different sorts of article spinning - the practice of news sites reporting the content of company press releases, for example, is a kind of article spinning.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nicola Lane
    Just to confirm:

    Simon is real - and this is the real Simon!

    He would love any information you have and you can mail him here:

    courtes@westminster.ac.uk
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    • Profile picture of the author simon2263
      Hi Nicola, I'm not in the office today but will be in tomorrow around 12pm GMT+1. I can reply to uni email (I have remote access) today if that helps.
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    • Profile picture of the author simon2263
      thanks Nicola - and thanks for the chat yesterday! very helpful!
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  • Profile picture of the author warriorkay
    Good that you want to make a research on it. Bottomline... not everything
    everyone says on here about article spinning is true. MANY people still use
    it and they still get results, especially when done "right",

    I wrote a long post a while ago that throws some light on this:

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ens-souls.html

    I probably know more about article spinning than lots of people out there,
    because of my MANY YEARS of "right" article spinning. I even wrote a
    mega 320+ page course on how to do it "right", but I don't engage in the
    many endless debates in here about it mainly because no one ever wins in
    an argument - people who hate it will continue to hate it, regardless of what
    you try to tell them,



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  • Profile picture of the author topgold
    I spin content that I have purchased (PLR), then post them to my niche blogs. That is to the extent of my Article Spinning! :-)
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