WSO sellers who use WSOPro

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I am going to release a WSO a friend and I have been working on. I plan on using WSO Pro and wanted to know what your thoughts are on the two options of standard and adaptive.

Any recommendations on which one I should use?

Any recommendations on how I should recruit affiliates? I plan on offering 75% commissions. I would like to offer 100% but I have spent a lot of money putting this together and really would like to recoup the money I have spent. My new friend didn't work for free.
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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    Go adaptive.

    It will eliminate all of the painful bookkeeping that accompanies the launch.

    My only complaint about adaptive is that I cannot go back and apply it to products that were launched months ago. :p

    I still have to manually recalculate partner payments each week or month.
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  • Profile picture of the author jaggyjay
    Tim - on a complete side note... your name is exactly the same as my college French teacher; who incidentally happened to live in my same hood while I was studying hmmm...

    Ok. On topic... don't know about new W+ adaptive feature as I never used it. Only used the first incarnation of wso pro. But I'm guessing your choice would depend on how well you plan on doing. You have a one-off payment of $19 vs. 2.5%. So, for every $1K you make, you're paying $25 with Adaptive. Thus, the more successful your wso - the more you'll pay.

    This may not be such a big issue if your wso pulls 5 or 6 figures, but if you want to keep more you could use the Standard. However, if your wso does go super nova - then I imagine going with the Adaptive would make your life easier.

    As far as far recruiting affs, you have to get the word out by posting on JV forums and building relationships with key players. Although not always true, oftentimes you may find that the success of a wso is greatly related to the amount of affiliates you have onboard with you doing promotions for you.

    Lastly, 75% is good if you want to earn some money and still attract quality affiliates. Of course, your price point can't be to low (ie: 75% of $7 is $5.25 and may not get people excited enough).

    As far as offering 100% commissions -- that would work to get a lot of folks excited, but you *may* run into issues with paypal. There was post made about this recently. Nonetheless, if you go the 100% route - then at least have an OTO... or 2. Many folks may not be crazy about them - but they still earn you lots of money

    Hope you've found this helpful. Au revior! :-)
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    • Profile picture of the author timpears
      Originally Posted by jaggyjay View Post

      Tim - on a complete side note... your name is exactly the same as my college French teacher; who incidentally happened to live in my same hood while I was studying hmmm...

      Ok. On topic... don't know about new W+ adaptive feature as I never used it. Only used the first incarnation of wso pro. But I'm guessing your choice would depend on how well you plan on doing. You have a one-off payment of $19 vs. 2.5%. So, for every $1K you make, you're paying $25 with Adaptive. Thus, the more successful your wso - the more you'll pay.

      This may not be such a big issue if your wso pulls 5 or 6 figures, but if you want to keep more you could use the Standard. However, if your wso does go super nova - then I imagine going with the Adaptive would make your life easier.

      As far as far recruiting affs, you have to get the word out by posting on JV forums and building relationships with key players. Although not always true, oftentimes you may find that the success of a wso is greatly related to the amount of affiliates you have onboard with you doing promotions for you.

      Lastly, 75% is good if you want to earn some money and still attract quality affiliates. Of course, your price point can't be to low (ie: 75% of $7 is $5.25 and may not get people excited enough).

      As far as offering 100% commissions -- that would work to get a lot of folks excited, but you *may* run into issues with paypal. There was post made about this recently. Nonetheless, if you go the 100% route - then at least have an OTO... or 2. Many folks may not be crazy about them - but they still earn you lots of money

      Hope you've found this helpful. Au revior! :-)

      Wow, that is odd. I never ran into anyone with my name, until I wanted to register my name in a domain. I didn't know there qas anyone in this country with my last name, other than my immediate family. We came from England (UK). But that is interesting.

      The money isn't really important. I priced it at $9.97, so commissions aren't really huge, but about $7.50 each. Hope that is worth their time. I want to recruit my outlay and spread some good info that is helping me. I have been struggling for some time and this info is something I should have been doing all along. I would have done much better if I had stumbled on this earlier. I just happened to run into the right person who helped me see the light.
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  • Profile picture of the author WillR
    Use adaptive payments because that is what Paypal wants you to do. It also means you are in control of refunds without having to rely on affiliates to process them for you.

    As for getting affiliates, offer a great product with high commissions. Profit should not be your aim on your first launch. On your first launch you should be giving away as much money as possible so as to get as many affiliates promoting for you. The money is in the list. The bigger your list the more successful your future launches will be.
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  • Profile picture of the author jeffster
    At $9.97 75% seems reasonable. Some affiliates may want to see how it converts first. And as JaggyJay said, having a OTO, or some other offer or service after the sale can make a big difference.

    All the best,
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  • Profile picture of the author elexmedia
    I vote for adaptive payments.
    The refund process is much more simple. It will reduce your headache a lot.

    $9.95 WSO with 75% commissions and adaptive payment still could attract a lot of affiliates.
    If you choose 100% commissions, you'll not make money straightaway, but it'll attract more affiliates and you could get more opt-in. If you have a huge buyer list, you could make money anytime in the future.
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  • Profile picture of the author bob ross
    Hey Tim, good on you for launching a WSO! There are affiliates constantly looking at the new W+ listings and your 75% commission will look attractive to them, but you'll need a good sales page that looks like it will convert too. The more compelling that sales page is, the more people are going to buy it.

    Are you building a list too Tim?
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  • Profile picture of the author Rus Sells
    I don't recommend going with the 100% model, while we all know the reasons why people use the 100% commission models it doesn't matter in the eyes of processors like PP.

    Their perception of what a legit business model is, is what counts because they are processing the money.
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  • Profile picture of the author WillR
    I'm glad Rus bought it up. Don't listen to those recommending you do a 100% commission offer. That's one of the fastest ways to attract unwanted attention to your Paypal account.

    Just stop for a minute and have a think about how an offer like that may look to a payment processor like Paypal. They see a product being sold. They then see ALL the money for that product being paid to everyone else but the person whose product it actually is.

    Weird? Yes. Suspicious? Yes.
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  • Profile picture of the author elexmedia
    Originally Posted by WillR View Post

    I'm glad Rus bought it up. Don't listen to those recommending you do a 100% commission offer. That's one of the fastest ways to attract unwanted attention to your Paypal account.

    Just stop for a minute and have a think about how an offer like that may look to a payment processor like Paypal. They see a product being sold. They then see ALL the money for that product being paid to everyone else but the person whose product it actually is.

    Weird? Yes. Suspicious? Yes.
    I never thought about this before... At first, I thought that 100% commission is win-win solution, affiliates get more, and vendors get more opt-in. I never though about the paypal side... Yes, it definitely seem suspicious in Paypal's eyes.

    Also... another option to attract affiliates: held a contest with huge prizes.
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    • Profile picture of the author Rus Sells
      If you want to use the product to build a list then create a WSO giving away for free! But beware, doing so tends to attract people who don't like to pay for stuff in the first place.

      Originally Posted by elexmedia View Post

      I never thought about this before... At first, I thought that 100% commission is win-win solution, affiliates get more, and vendors get more opt-in. I never though about the paypal side... Yes, it definitely seem suspicious in Paypal's eyes.

      Also... another option to attract affiliates: held a contest with huge prizes.
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    • Profile picture of the author lotsofsnow
      Originally Posted by WillR View Post

      I'm glad Rus bought it up. Don't listen to those recommending you do a 100% commission offer. That's one of the fastest ways to attract unwanted attention to your Paypal account.
      That is not true!

      Originally Posted by elexmedia View Post

      Also... another option to attract affiliates: held a contest with huge prizes.
      Nope. Just look at all the loser WSOs. They have contest. A contest attracts the tiny dreamer type affiliates. If you want that: make a contest.

      The real affiliates know better than gambling. You can impress them with high EPCs and an excellent product.

      Who cares about affiliate prizes that never get paid out (just read the pre-requisites and you'll see that it's just BS. Something like get $3,000 for first prize but must have min 1,000 sales. I have yet to find a single affiliate that drives 1,000+ sales. Even at 500 sales the air gets very thin.)
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      • Profile picture of the author WillR
        Originally Posted by hpgoodboy View Post

        That is not true!
        How can you honestly make a comment like that? Paypal have told people this exact thing in the past. So yes, it IS true. What looks more suspicious than a product being sold by one person and all the money going to another?

        If you think that represents normal business behavior then by all means keep doing it. I will never do it though because I know it's something Paypal (by their own admission) do not like.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Wells
    Originally Posted by timpears View Post

    I am going to release a WSO a friend and I have been working on. I plan on using WSO Pro and wanted to know what your thoughts are on the two options of standard and adaptive.

    Any recommendations on which one I should use?

    Any recommendations on how I should recruit affiliates? I plan on offering 75% commissions. I would like to offer 100% but I have spent a lot of money putting this together and really would like to recoup the money I have spent. My new friend didn't work for free.
    Standard is less work, because you never touch the affiliates money. Much better in my opinion. Less liability on you.
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    Not yet, but intended to use.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Wells
    Originally Posted by timpears View Post

    I am going to release a WSO a friend and I have been working on. I plan on using WSO Pro and wanted to know what your thoughts are on the two options of standard and adaptive.

    Any recommendations on which one I should use?

    Any recommendations on how I should recruit affiliates? I plan on offering 75% commissions. I would like to offer 100% but I have spent a lot of money putting this together and really would like to recoup the money I have spent. My new friend didn't work for free.
    As for commissions and affiliates.

    Two mind sets......

    1. Internet Marketers doing a wso, giving 100% commissions upfront to build a list. (mind you these guys plan to promote affiliate products to their list)

    2. My way - 50% commissions. I am a product creator and designer. Not an affiliate marketer. I do not plan to base my business promoting others products to my list which am building.

    It may not be built as fast as someone who gives away all their money upfront, but it will be built and be solid.

    I prefer to make a product, make a profit upfront AND on the backend and still build a list which I can promote my future products to..... instead of giving all my money away upfront.

    Has it worked for me so far. Yes.

    Why?

    I like to believe I offer quality products that are fresh, new, professional and end demand.

    Products that people see the value in, even affiliates who are more than willing to promote making a very fair commission of 50% because they see the value too.

    One thing that I have done is to turn down lots of affiliate requests. Many times not even accept affiliate requests from people especially those demanding more $$.

    Asking is fine but those who say I'll promote for you BUT only if you bump me up in commissions, is a complete turn off for me. I they can perform, I may bump them up AFTER I see they can perform.

    I have a STRONG belief in the business principle that a good deal is a deal where both people are satisfied with the business deal. And giving away 100% commissions (when I am not an affiliate marketer) is not a good deal for me. Maybe in the future if I decide to promote others products, I can see the change, but only on certain occassions.

    I've noticed i'ts very common to get lots of request from people who will NEVER make a sell, but only mess up your sales statistics. So, another great reason to be super picky. If they wont tel you their name or give you any information or even return an PM before you approve them, they are declined for sure.

    So, I am very picky. I am not looking for a quick buck, but long term income and relationships from affiliates who have lists that are targeted to my type of products.

    I have no clue why someone would do the adaptive payment method, its a hassle it seems to me, I would not want to hold someone elses money, just let them get it automatically into their paypal account. (maybe in the future I will need to switch but for now, standard works very well for my business model)
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    • Profile picture of the author WillR
      Originally Posted by Steve Wells View Post

      I have no clue why someone would do the adaptive payment method, its a hassle it seems to me, I would not want to hold someone elses money, just let them get it automatically into their paypal account. (maybe in the future I will need to switch but for now, standard works very well for my business model)
      Ok, well I think you misunderstand how the adaptive payments actually work.

      Joe Smith buys my product. The money is sent to MY Paypal account (the vendor) and payments to any affiliates are then made automatically and instantly on my behalf. The money never sits in your account. It all happens right away without any input from you.

      Think about it for a little bit. Paypal don't spend all this time and money creating these technologies because they want people to do things other ways. They have set up this adaptive payment system for this exact type of scenario because they want people to use it.

      With the old method customers are paying your affiliates directly and this causes issues and confusion as to who the actual product vendor is. It also means your affiliates could just as easily ignore refund requests from customers since it is up to them to process any refunds for sales they have made. Who ends up in the deep end and out of pocket if this happens? Yes, Paypal. Anything that puts unnecessary risk on Paypal will increase the chances of them having issues with your account.

      My advice... use it. Anything that has the ability to confuse your customers is something Paypal will never be too fond of.
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