'Fake' So-called Gurus?

all the questions you ask have also run through my head.

becareful who you work with. alot of gurus do seem to hide little secrets here and there, if you work the right people though, you should be fine.

lets just hope the 'guru' will make you some money. good luck!

lol, i did not manage to JV with him either, as he said he only wants to record videos and host webinars. nothing else.

how weird.

Rayson,

It is not all that weird. He actually has met your criteria but you missed it. He is getting rich by getting leads of people who want to learn how to get more leads. LOL In his case, what he is marketing does double back on itself but he is still marketing something and he has proof it works. Look at all the people that sign up for his course.

Stidd

Stidd,

Maybe you're right. Or perhaps I've asked the wrong person to partner with anyway. But since I'm one of his subscribers, doesn't JV with me will adds up to his testimonials that it actually works? I could be his live testimonials and that could increase his credibility that his stuffs actually works. Don't you think his reply would backfire on whatever he's teaching?

Just a thought,

Rayson

Look at this way...

This gentleman has found a niche -- or maybe a couple -- and he's not straying from them. That's focus. And it's usually good business to focus all your efforts on your goals, rather than running off and chasing every shiny thing that comes around the corner.

Also:

What's your proof of this statement?

Hagel,

That statement is an assumption based on his reply to me as he clearly indicates that he's not doing anything else other than making videos and webinars.

I am possibly wrong but it stands a chance that I could be right too.

That's my honest opinion.

Rayson

PM me and let me know how it turns out. I would love to know. LOL

WOW! What a sweeping statement. About all the "gurus" that I know
have mentors.

But the terms "guru" and "so-called guru" need qualification so I guess
anyone can justify these types of statements by how THEY define these
terms.

-Ray Edwards

Hey,

Not everyone wants to do JV's with people.

Sometimes JV's are more hassle than they are worth.

To do a JV with anyone, you should get to know them more. You have to build trust on both sides.

Reputations are easily damaged by a bad JV.

Other people have no responsibility to work with you just because you think they should.

The beauty of the Internet is that you can choose to do the things you enjoy and not other things, and work with whoever you like and not with people you don't want to.

To have a go at someone just because they're not interested in doing JVs is crazy.

Some people like to work alone and if he's happy doing that - that's his business.

I think you creating this 'fake guru' image says more about your own mindset than the other persons.

Hi Rayson...

How are you?..

I appreciate that you have a passion for your product, this may be the reason why you are taking the rejection from this marketer so personally. If I "JV'd" with everyone that mailed me.. my lists would soon start to decrease through over promotion... I only have so much promotion I like to do and if something isn't a perfect fit for my business model, or the demographic of one of my lists, then I am going to politely decline an offer.

It's not personal, it's just business.. roll with this punch and move onto your next plan of action without even flinching...

You'll get much better results if you don't sweat the small stuff like this, and throwing insults around in a public forum because somebody turned you down for a JV offer is not the best way to expend your energy in my opinion

Have a great day and good luck with your launch!

Peace

Jay

Lets just come right out and admit it that any idea we have regarding why he said no is pure speculation on our part. Playing the What if game is fine for dating and for kids but we will be spinning our wheels forever and get nowhere doing that here.

I do think, however, that we all can agree that there are fake gurus out there. I know of a person that went from the brink of bankruptcy to now being a millionaire by writing a book on how to become a millionaire. He was not a millionaire when he wrote the book but he found something people would pay for and so he gave it to them. Did his teachings work? I don't know. The only "evidence" of success using his system was supplied by him so you tell me if it worked. Is he a fake guru? You tell me.

Any reasons for the rejection is possible.

Frankly, I can handle all kinds of rejections. This is not exception to me either. He could have just tell me NO to my face but from the way that he's replying to me, it raise my curiosity of the concern of what he knows.

Understanding the whole meaning of the thread before flaming me please. I did not made a bit of complain about the JV at all. I'm here to make friends and share thoughts. So keep it cool.

Martin,

From the way I see it, it's either people like your product, or they feel it's not up to their taste. So, I'm convinced of the quality of my stuffs but I can bet he did not check it out at all. But it's fine~ There's no single cup of tea that could suit everyone's taste.

It's simple!

Cheers everyone,
Rayson

Rayson

Since it is totally 'on topic' and addresses your question, you may want to check out my sig.

Hope it helps. (Works for me)!

regards
Roy

Hey gohrayson,

I agree with the last few postes. Your business shouldn't rely or depend upon someone else. There many be several reasons why this marketer did not want to JV with you at the time, but that's no reason to assume anything about his status or what kind of a marketer he is.

Here are some reasons he may have turned you down:

Too much on his plate
He doesn't JV with people he doesn't know
He only JVs with people who can benefit his business
You haven't asked in the right manner - or your appraoch is wrong for that person
He does not know who you

The amount of moeny one offers someone else when trying to get them to JV with them isn't always what gets the job done. Most marketers want something that benefits them in the end.

Plus, I think many people who do a lot of JVs with other people have to watch they don't get too many piled up where they cannot possible fulfill the promises made. This is one reason they get more selective with who they JV with.

Remember, this guy doesn't owe you anything, and if you weigh cridentials or status, or even how good of a marketer this person is against whether or not he JVs with you, then you have a lot to learn.

What you think is just that, and no more. We don't always think right, and as such, we can wreck havock on other people's lives if we aren't careful.


Mary

He Paul,

That's the key right there. You have to come up with something that will help them in the end, or help their business which is the same in the long run to me.

I think a lot of times people think that if you offer X amount of $ in their offer, people will jump on it, and that just isn't so.

Mary has made some good points and hopefully the OP will solve most of them if he actually implements what's in my sig.

I could have charged for this but I get so many JV requests myself where the whole thing is approached in entirely the wrong way, that I decided to do something about it by creating the free WSO.

Should help those people looking for JV's and also those of us who are inundated with JV requests.

Roy

Many gurus are not willing to do JV with others only because we send an email to them, especially when the gurus do not know us. That's the reality.

There are many real gurus on WF. But, there are many more people who call them guru on WF too. That's the reality.

Live with it, and go on.



david

The reality of the matter is that you probably not been able to convince a real guru to waste their valuable time with small projects.

Hey gohrayson,

I'm sorry, but I fail to see where anyone is flaming you. The truth is, Andy and Paul are both right - the two instances or circumstances you noted do not support each other. You also gave no proof of theis marketer no living up to what he says or does. This has nothing to do with you getting turned down for the JV.

How you connected the two situations together is in the way you think and connect things. I see more people jumping to conclusions just to justify what they think or have stated in previous posts. I also know that when this happens, they are also wrong 99% of the time when they draw such conclussions.

My suggest would be for you to get your facvts straightened out first so you have the proof you need before you post threads like this.


Mary

Slightly different angle than the comments so far...

Does a "guru" require proven experience before they release a product or teach?

Well, let's think about this... has every english teacher written a book or poem? Has every basketball coach played and won in the NBA?

What qualifies someone to teach?

I would suggest that some people are better at teaching than they are at implementing. You can know something works without doing it yourself and you can tell others how to do it.

Someone once told me that you are an expert in something if you know more than the person asking you the questions. You don't have to know everything, just more than the other guy.

I am not talking about misleading people or making false claims. Just saying that you can know about something you have never done. Likewise, I know a lot of people who really are experts but are terrible teachers.

Let me get this straight, you are assuming the individual in question does not know anything and has no experience because of 1 sentence in a reply?

Well, at least we can learn something from this thread.

Ignore JV requests you are not interested in because if you reply with a polite rejection the person requesting will take it personal.