10 Ways to check if a Warrior Is worth listening to

by Phil Jacobson 30 replies
How do you determine who is worth listening to and who is just post crazy git with a flashy looking website?

1) Common sense. Read their posts and you'll get to know them fairly well
2) Number of posts?
3) Website?
4) Reputation. testimonials/WSO info/other warriors' posts
5) The Money They Are Making From Their Selected Business
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  • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
    I don't think number of posts means much. To me, all it means is that some people frequent this forum more than others.

    For instance, Chris Knight only has a couple dozen posts, but that doesn't mean he's not worth listening to.

    At the same time, there are some with thousands of posts that you may not get much from at all.

    I like #1, 2 and 4...especially #1.

    As far as the money they make...you can never really tell if what they say is true. I have found that when someone does not brag about their income, they are usually making more than those that do.

    I think the best is #1 - Common sense, first impression.

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    • Profile picture of the author Phil Jacobson
      For sure. Common sense has to be no 1 I think. How about also

      * Having a proper photo.
      * Having one's proper name.


      I'd like to change my name actually to my real name. That's not possible is it?


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      • Profile picture of the author Akitoye
        Phil,

        Having a proper name and photo will surely
        give you an edge over others.

        You'll be trusted to some extent and that
        will bring in confident in whatever you're
        doing online.
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        • Profile picture of the author Jeff Henshaw
          I'd like to change my name actually to my real name. That's not possible is it?
          Click on the Help Desk in the menu bar above and log a ticket. That should do the trick.

          Regards,
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          • Profile picture of the author Terry Hatfield
            That Chris Knight is a pretty smart cookie.

            Has 100,000 people writing articles for him for FREE!

            Would listen to that guy.

            Terry
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            • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
              I go with my gut and I go with the recommendations of those who I trust.

              How do I know who to trust?

              I go with my gut.

              Yeah, it's kind of a catch 22 and ultimately, you have to develop a 6th
              sense for sniffing out the BS. Of course some people are really sincere with
              what they say but are just so misinformed and clueless that you almost
              have to feel sorry for them...that's of course if you're shrewd enough to be
              able to see through the misinformation.

              Reading people may very well be the hardest thing in the world to do, which
              is why I flat out tell people that I'm not the brightest bulb on the Christmas
              tree. I'm just a hard worker. If I really WAS smart, I'd be doing a lot better
              than I am. That's the God's honest truth.

              I wish I had the collective minds of people like...

              Paul Myers
              Kevin Riley
              John Taylor
              Andy Henry
              Allen Says

              And I could go on and on. That's part of the reason why everything is so
              hard for me and why I have to work so hard. It's why my products are
              so "step by step" like I was talking to a child, because it's the only way I
              know how to communicate without confusing myself. So in a sense, my
              biggest weakness is my greatest strength. If I was REALLY bright, I'd
              probably write stuff that was so above everybody's head that nobody
              would recommend it, I'd end up with tons of refunds and ultimately I'd
              either have to resort to affiliate marketing or fail miserably.

              Yeah, I know...I got sidetracked.

              Knowing who to trust is a bitch. I've trusted people in my life who have
              screwed me so royally that I sometimes wonder if I have any judgment of
              people at all.

              I don't think you can go by posts or even what people say, especially if
              they're making posts like, "How To..." because they could have very well
              been reading that stuff right out of a book that they bought just to make
              themselves look good. So even that isn't a foolproof way to tell.

              Like I said, I go with my gut...as faulty as it's been at times.
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            • Profile picture of the author Phil Jacobson
              Originally Posted by Terry Hatfield View Post

              That Chris Knight is a pretty smart cookie.

              Has 100,000 people writing articles for him for FREE!

              Would listen to that guy.

              Terry
              That is amazing! That's the kind of person I gotta watch.

              Thanks
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              • Profile picture of the author Zach Booker
                I agree with Steven 100%!
                Although going with your gut can have consequences. It is usually a pretty full proof way of knowing if someone is legit or not
                I'm thinking of changing my username to my real name after reading this.
                THANKS!
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              • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
                # of posts means nothing. I have more posts than I have credit for because I had something go haywire and had to start another user name for a couple of months before this forum was upgraded.

                Names - this is tricky. I come from a scam fighting background, so I know all too well how easy it is to fake a name.

                Website? I have several, I don't show all the cards I'm holding - and I'm not showing you the money shots. I show different things for different reasons.

                How much someone makes? I find great information from some who are not making the money I make. The more eyes you have the better. Out of the mouths of babes.

                I agree with common sense and gut reactions.
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              • Profile picture of the author Phil Jacobson
                Originally Posted by Daniel McGonagle View Post

                Another way is their sig files, if any.

                If people are going to "fake it until they make it" here on WF, then they
                should be more careful and where they're posting to and what kinds of
                questions they're asking because it could betray their ignorance on topics
                they're supposedly experts at.
                That's a good point. I think you're probably wasting your time pretending to be an expert on something that you are not. "Fake it till you make it" doesn't work here I suppose.

                The people who get the most help and support are the people with the most ignorance of IM. Like me in many ways still. I have got a couple of offers for people who are willing to help fix my dismal site. I can't think of many PMs I've had that were insincere.

                If you fake it, then you're only going to lose out here. There may be a place for it in sales pages if that is your thing but this is a forum with a purpose for helping and uplifting each other.

                I've put in a ticket to have my id changed to my real name.

                I think the sig tells a lot about the person's character. I get a lot from that.

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                • Profile picture of the author AndrewCavanagh
                  10. Go look at their websites and see how good their online marketing is.

                  How good are their sales letters, optin pages, blog tips etc etc.

                  That works for me.

                  If it's a really good marketer you might pick up a few ideas.

                  Kindest regards,
                  Andrew Cavanagh
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                  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
                    I hate to say it. OH HECK, I'll be a little blunt!

                    1) Common sense. Read their posts and you'll get to know them fairly well

                    ALWAYS a good indicator!

                    2) Number of posts?

                    Frankly, this means they have time, are addicted, or something similar. For ONCE I can say this, and nobody can DARE to call me jealous, etc.... I have been in the top 2 posters for YEARS! Frankly, I am a good guy to listen to. I'm sure Kay is also, and some of the others are as well, but NOT because of the post count. Somebody might post here today for the first time and be a good person to listen to.

                    3) Website?

                    Actually, some BAD people have some rather fancy websites and HECK, Allen's haven't been that great(No offense Allen! 8-)) and HE's good. so I don't know how far that will go.

                    4) Reputation. testimonials/WSO info/other warriors' posts

                    BE CAREFUL! There is a lot of incest, as far as marketing. Again, some have a deserved reputation, others don't.

                    5) The Money They Are Making From Their Selected Business

                    But how do you PROVE that!?!?!?

                    6) Having a proper photo.

                    How do you PROVE that, and I haven't been one to even have my picture taken. Still, dozens here know what I look like, and some even met me. Still more spoke with me.

                    7) Having one's proper name.

                    WOW, one person at a customer site implied I was an IDIOT for doing the legal thing, and having my REAL name and address on my domain names! Being anonymous to a degree is a good thing. Still, many here know where I live, LITERALLY.

                    So, to be short about it, it comes down to common sense. If a blithering idiot that never made a penny and doesn't know about computers or the internet, gives you good advice, TAKE IT! Would any of you hesitate to dig a big gold nugget out of mud and muck? How many would buy a car just because it LOOKED fancy?

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  • Profile picture of the author Tuzic
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    Hi,

    I do agree with the above but you dont have to be agreat warrior for the warrior's website to be making lots of money, because there's a lot of successful websites that offer a free service & do very well.
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    • Profile picture of the author sylviad
      I'd have to say, by reputation and how long they've been around. It helps, too, if they have been selling excellent products for awhile.

      If they've been around for a few years and their name still comes up with other well-knowns, it's probably a safe bet that person has a pretty darned good idea what works and what doesn't.

      Common sense plays an important role, too. You can generally tell if what they say makes sense.

      Most often, you can tell from how a person presents their argument or advice whether they know what they are talking about. Sure, they could lift the material from anywhere, but if you compare the tone of their posts and level of advice offered with their reputation, time online and product success, they have proven their reliability, in my view.

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      • Profile picture of the author jensrsa
        Sense, common sense and
        Originally Posted by sylviad View Post

        .. how long they've been around.
        The rest are difficult to judge

        Jens
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        • Profile picture of the author jcmentor
          Just remember gang. The greatest con men in history - the ones who made off with millions of dollars of someone else's money on a hoax, were always masters of deception. And the greatest deceipt of all - the one they plied to perfection - was that they came across as completely trust worthy!

          As the man on Hill St. Blues used to say, "Be careful out there."
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          • Profile picture of the author Lance K
            I take post count into consideration until they get up to 20 or so (unless they're all in the same thread). By that time you can get a pretty good handle if they pass the rule #1 test of common sense. Until then, IMO it's just good practice to view anything they say under a microscope so to speak. Once they have posted enough to demonstrate their common sense, post count isn't really an issue to me.
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            • Profile picture of the author Kay King
              #1 and #4 - with the qualification that rep (#4) must be from others I know and trust.

              Then, after those two, the gut comes into play. It took many years for me to realize that almost every time in my life, for large decisions or small ones, the worst decisions I made were when all the evidence said "yes" and my gut said "no".

              I often see a WSO I like - and if I don't know the person I immediately read old posts by them. Are they helpful, knowledgeable? Or do they just chime in with general comments? Do they contribute regularly- or only when they are running something for sale? Do the posts in the past couple months match with claims they are making in their sales copy (are they claiming great income yet posting that they can't make the rent?).

              Then I go to warriorplus.com and I look up their previous WSO's and I read the LAST few comments on those threads. I also look to see how many WSO's they run and how often. I may be wrong in my thinking but to me someone constantly selling here day after day is likely making most of their money on the WF rather than elsewhere.

              After I've done the research I have what facts I can find and then make a decision with the facts and my gut feelings.

              I've been here quite some time - and I have only had ONE thing purchased on the WF that I felt was deceptive and even then it wasn't a bad WSO, just a poorly described one. I have purchased many WSO's - and have never had a non-delivery problem. To me, the 15 minutes or so to do some due diligence is definitely worth the money saved.

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              • Profile picture of the author Peter Bestel
                I'd simply go by what they say - each post on its own merit.

                Yeah I've got my favourites but that doesn't mean I agree with them ALL the time, so I can choose not to listen to them too.

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                • Profile picture of the author Lambert Klein
                  After common sense and gut, I say try them out on a small scale if that's posible. You may find a gem. If not you haven't invested too much

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  • Profile picture of the author bendiggs
    I have to agree with a number of others who have said that using post count as a metric to determine a posters value isn't really a valid means of doing things. I have a ton of posts in the off topic forums and spend most of my time here reading and learning, not typing. But that doesn't mean my value is less than others, or that the knowledge I bring to the forum should just be glossed over.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dave Cornish
    Actually reading their posts?

    Number of posts, their name, or their website are all highly irrelevant.

    You are wrong if you think that something like number of posts is directly proportional to online success.

    If you actually think about it, people with a lower post count might simply be so busy making money with their business that they do not have time to frequent a forum?

    One of a number of possibilities...

    Falling for a persons post count and considering them legitimate simply because of it is tantamount to falling for a classic IM scam which says things like "Anyone Can Easily Make $4000 a day!"
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    • Profile picture of the author Phil Jacobson
      Originally Posted by Dave Cornish View Post

      Actually reading their posts?

      Number of posts, their name, or their website are all highly irrelevant.

      You are wrong if you think that something like number of posts is directly proportional to online success.

      If you actually think about it, people with a lower post count might simply be so busy making money with their business that they do not have time to frequent a forum?

      One of a number of possibilities...

      Falling for a persons post count and considering them legitimate simply because of it is tantamount to falling for a classic IM scam which says things like "Anyone Can Easily Make $4000 a day!"

      good post there. I know there are generous sould who post a lot and are still in a sense guru level. But there may be others who just enjoy posting and that's fine. Doesn't mean we should listen to them.

      So far, honestly speaking. Out of my 100 or so posts, I have mainly asked questions and responded. It will take me a while before I am going to be in a position to really give back.

      Post count don't count.


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      • Profile picture of the author Kym Robinson
        I say every persons individual input should be given merit on a post by post system.
        I dont think the amount of posts really matter at all - its more about the quality of the information provided in the post! and......for me - I also really appreciate the thoughful or concerned or caring type of people that are genuinely trying to help others out around here! - thankyou!
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  • Profile picture of the author Dana_W
    1.) If their name is Dana_W, slavishly follow everything they say.

    2.) Glance at the post count, but don't take it too seriously. Some people have come on here, run up a huge post count, scammed warriors and vanished.

    3.) Like in the offline world, it takes time and common sense to form a really educated opinion about a person. Some people you can spot as scammers or b.s. artists right away, and other people, you observe over time and read their posts and hear what they have to say and see how they interact with others here.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sirius Lin
    Checking out a poster's past posting history is also usually a good indicator of how much the poster actually contributes to a thread. If someone has a high post count but turns out to be always starting question threads or just chiming in to add a few words...

    Post counts don't really matter - I know a few warriors who have only a few hundred or even under a hundred posts, but have been extremely knowledgeable and helpful.

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    • Profile picture of the author Eric Johnson
      When I look for an internet marketer I look for one thing and one thing only...

      Pure, unaltered, manly manliness. That is why Steven Wagenheim is the only marketer in the world worth listening to.

      It's a little known secret... but he's so filled with testosterone that the hairs on his head are actually chest hairs.
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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        Eric,
        he's so filled with testosterone that the hairs on his head are actually chest hairs.
        Okay. THAT is a great line. Consider it swiped.

        BTW, love the avatar. Sort of "Kokopelli meets Miles Davis."

        Back on topic... I think you have to decide these things based on your own priorities and standards. There are some extremely knowledgeable, helpful and experienced people here that I don't listen to much simply because their way of doing things doesn't fit with my approach or goals.

        Doesn't mean they're less of anything. Just that what works for them doesn't work for me.

        I don't much care how many posts someone has, if they make sense and know their topic. Sloppy thinking and unsupported opinions expressed as fact will turn me off, fast.


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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Chris
        Originally Posted by Eric Johnson View Post

        When I look for an internet marketer I look for one thing and one thing only...

        Pure, unaltered, manly manliness. That is why Steven Wagenheim is the only marketer in the world worth listening to.

        It's a little known secret... but he's so filled with testosterone that the hairs on his head are actually chest hairs.
        Okay, two things...

        You are about to get your rear whipped by some female warriors.

        What Steven Wagenheim are you talking about?!

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