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12 years ago

This is just my opinion, but I would rather build up a few high-quality, authority sites that make a good amount of money than a hundred sites that make one buck a day each. I say this because of the long term. Those 100 sites are going to need a lot of maintenance to stay fresh, plus most people will cheat their way to backlinks to get these sites to rank in Google. This could easily result in being google slapped, and then one of your primary sources of traffic is gone.

It just doesn't seem like a stable move. $15,000 should be plenty to get something good started, but do your research. Personally if I had that money I would look into making a few authority membership sites. They may take some time to get rolling, but the earnings potential is huge.

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ajarnjoshua

12 years ago

Thank you kindly for your thoughts. Will consider it strongly.

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nasuryono

12 years ago

You don't need to spend your $15K to get $1 per day site. If you use the correct SEO method, you can start by spending around $500 to $1K initally. Give yourself some knowledge about SEO and you will be set.

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The Star

12 years ago

very large if you have $ 15k, you can do a lot with that much money. I think you can build 100 sites with revenue $ 1 per day. so you will receive $ 100 per day from the 100 site.

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tpw

12 years ago

Buy one domain and buy hosting.

Then learn to build a website and fill it with content, as your friend did.

Build on your successes; learn from your failures; and keep tight hold on your wallet, at least until you are sure that you know what you are doing.

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ajarnjoshua

12 years ago

Originally Posted by tpw

Buy one domain and buy hosting.

Then learn to build a website and fill it with content, as your friend did.

With all due respect I have multiple hosting sites and multiple domains now. I know how to create a website and administration of the server is not what I am trying to figure out. What I am trying to figure is if these "turnkey" solutions could get me to a small goal. They promise goals much larger than this, that is why I am looking into quantity. I will hit quality when I am free from the 9-5 in a few months.

Not trying to sound like a know it all, I think the point of question was merely missed. I am not looking to get rich, I just want something stable enough to support me when I start this on my own. Just laying the groundwork and hoping that 6 months was enough to do it.

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tpw

12 years ago

Originally Posted by ajarnjoshua

With all due respect I have multiple hosting sites and multiple domains now. I know how to create a website and administration of the server is not what I am trying to figure out. What I am trying to figure is if these "turnkey" solutions could get me to a small goal. They promise goals much larger than this, that is why I am looking into quantity. I will hit quality when I am free from the 9-5 in a few months.

Not trying to sound like a know it all, I think the point of question was merely missed. I am not looking to get rich, I just want something stable enough to support me when I start this on my own. Just laying the groundwork and hoping that 6 months was enough to do it.

I did misunderstand.

The problem is that most people think they can throw money at the goal and achieve the success they want.

Most people just piss away thousands of dollars and have nothing to show for their expenditures at the end of a cycle.

Some people in this thread are advising that you can throw money at the problem to find the solution, but that only gets people broke.

I am simply advising caution with your liquid capital.

You need to test several variables looking for that small measure of financial return. When you see a small return, then invest some money to see if you can turn those small successes into bigger successes.

Go cautiously.

My point is that you should spend to make money, not spend just to spend.

Through experience with making money, you will have a much better idea of what you are doing and where you should spend your money for the greatest return.

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ajarnjoshua

12 years ago

Honestly the major problem is the time factor. I am in the last 6 months of my job. I would like to see $1 per day before I retire. After that I would love to focus on learning the latest SEO tactics and even producing my own sites like I did before. Wordpress & Joomla have made things sooo much faster than they were when I did this before.

This is the reason I am hoping to buy the sites, upload & restore. I just don't have the time to play myself, but want results so I have a little money to support myself while learning to expand it and focus on the areas I want to focus on. This is why I am hoping that purchasing from the sources mentioned in the original post could produce what I am looking for.

I take that as a yes?

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ajarnjoshua

12 years ago

In the olden days, with the previously mentioned projects it was often many many months till anything was seen from Adsense, is it still like this? Is my 6 month time frame enough to establish anything with regularity no matter how small that daily goal is? I am sure for a fraction of the cost the above mentioned vendors are selling their products I could go to Guru or Freelancer and have someone from India or Thailand throw me up 100 wordpress sites.

Considering I am aiming at the 6 month mark would I get better results buying from some of the names I mentioned or with that time frame do you think outsourcing the blog creation would be sufficient? My time is the major issue again. Does money not being the issue fix this 100% to the point of reaching the goal or no?

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tpw

12 years ago

It depends on how much traffic you are getting.

But Adsense does only deliver 6-10 clicks per 1000 visitors.

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volkansen 12 years ago

Originally Posted by tpw

It depends on how much traffic you are getting.

But Adsense does only deliver 6-10 clicks per 1000 visitors.

I don't think this is true. 6-10 clicks per 100 visitors is very achievable.
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- tpw 12 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by volkansen
  
  I don't think this is true. 6-10 clicks per 100 visitors is very achievable.
  
  Depends on the niche, the site and the displayed ads.
  
  My sites that make the most revenue from adsense get 6-10 clicks per 1,000 page views.
  
  That could also be the result of my site being more likely to have the answer than the adsense ads on the page too.
  
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lukedidit

12 years ago

The web properties are no use without traffic to generate ad clicks. A lot of the pre buy sites may look OK, but you also need to consider things such as the competition in that area. I would really recommend you start to learn SEO or consider spending your money in that area then hundreds of sites that may not rank well without major daily grind of building backlinks yourself.

I would highly recommend you at least spend a bit of time here first before you start buying sites on bulk

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ajarnjoshua

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Tom Kalten

knowledge of SEO can do it affectively

What about the purchase of?

There are some things that certainly haven't changed over the years much in the SEO world such as backlinking, fresh content, original content, keywords in content/metatags, 301 redirects, sitemaps and usage of robots. All these things take time and I will work on these issues when I have the time In fact, I doubt I will try to acquire more sites after I retire... I will probably just increase my goal to $5USD per day at that point. Right now I am seeking $1.

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Hamida Harland

12 years ago

Originally Posted by ajarnjoshua

I guess my main question is will $15,000USD produce enough quality websites to reach my initial goal of $1USD per day each?

It should, but it's not guaranteed. You could create a $100 a day income with an awful lot less (it's possible to do it with just 1 site), but you need to know what you're doing in terms of picking the right keywords etc. So many people waste so much money hoping something will 'stick' but it doesn't always work.

I don't use Adsense myself any more (too much work for too little reward) but I regularly see people who rely on Adsense have their accounts banned by Google for (what seems like) no reason. It's not a good idea to put all your eggs in the Adsense basket, particularly if you're going to invest alot of capital into it.

Would you consider going down the affiliate route? With affiliate sites you could build that kind of income for $1000 or less and just a few sites. If you're promoting an affiliate product that pays out $50 you only need 2 sales per day to reach your goal. That's very achieveable in 6 months and in my experience is alot easier to achieve than getting $100 worth of Adsense clicks.

If you do decide to stick with Adsense definitely don't spend $15000 - it's really not necessary.

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Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Hamida Harland

With affiliate sites you could build that kind of income for $1000 or less and just a few sites. If you're promoting an affiliate product that pays out $50 you only need 2 sales per day to reach your goal. That's very achieveable in 6 months and in my experience is alot easier to achieve than getting $100 worth of Adsense clicks.

If you do decide to stick with Adsense definitely don't spend $15000 - it's really not necessary.

This ^^^^ exactly. All of it. "Quoted for truth".

I set up my entire business for about $100, and was earning an average of $100 per day within a few months (and I had absolutely no idea what I was doing at the start). There was never a point at which spending another $1,500 or $15,000 would have made my income any higher, faster or more secure. But I'm an affiliate marketer and have never used AdSense at all and don't intend to.

My guess (and I may be wrong about this) is that the AdSense climate has changed a lot over recent years, and that to find the sites that do make a steady $1+ per day, there may be a lot of trial and error involved, and that you might have to build many sites to find one that earns. This is what I've heard so many people say, anyway.

To me, the bottom line here is that if you want to depend on internet marketing for a living, it makes no sense at all to be dependent on Google. And AdSense is just another way of being dependent on Google. So, for myself, I wouldn't be willing to consider it at all. I've seen too many desperate cries, over the years, from Warriors who have allowed their businesses - one way or another - to be dependent on Google and suddenly found themselves without a business.

I wish you very good luck, whatever you do.

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Mark Andrews Banned 12 years ago

Personally I think Joshua your strategy is fatally flawed. A lot has changed over the years.

Building sites like one could in the early days of the Internet en masse to earn a few cents in Adsense x multiple domains / websites today has massive potential to blow up in your face. And a damn quick way to waste $15k if you're not very careful.

There is no business strategy here, no plan, you're offering nothing of value to anyone else in the slightest and I dare say, in today's climate you haven't really thought this through anywhere near carefully enough.

Joshua you need to switch your focus. At the moment...

...all you're interested in is what's in this for you. Not how you can benefit other people. Bring value to the lives of others.

Not to mention the maintenance and upkeep SEO wise of 100 websites. This would be an absolute nightmare to stay on top of in today's online business world. Forget it. Ditch the idea. You're asking for trouble. It's a non-starter. You're wasting your time. All the words you don't want to hear because quite likely you've got your head buried in the sand and I detect a little stubbornness in you too.

Be this as it is, you need to read this and take the advice on board and quickly too if you don't want to blow your cash...

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ot-nothin.html

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mlord10

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Hamida Harland

It should, but it's not guaranteed. You could create a $100 a day income with an awful lot less (it's possible to do it with just 1 site), but you need to know what you're doing in terms of picking the right keywords etc. So many people waste so much money hoping something will 'stick' but it doesn't always work.

I don't use Adsense myself any more (too much work for too little reward) but I regularly see people who rely on Adsense have their accounts banned by Google for (what seems like) no reason. It's not a good idea to put all your eggs in the Adsense basket, particularly if you're going to invest alot of capital into it.

Would you consider going down the affiliate route? With affiliate sites you could build that kind of income for $1000 or less and just a few sites. If you're promoting an affiliate product that pays out $50 you only need 2 sales per day to reach your goal. That's very achieveable in 6 months and in my experience is alot easier to achieve than getting $100 worth of Adsense clicks.

If you do decide to stick with Adsense definitely don't spend $15000 - it's really not necessary.

I agree with this...affiliate marketing is def. more stable in the modern internet marketing landscape than trying to build 100 sites that make $1/day with Adsense...too much risk for me.

I would add that you would be well-served to focus on promoting recurring billing products as an affiliate...because this means you only have to make a few sales to start earning a nice monthly residual income.

It's a lot easier to "work less & make more" because your income can grow exponentially as opposed to linear.

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Mantasmo

12 years ago

Promote affiliate products. Build bigger, better sites. Start with just one website and scale slowly - you'll make a lot of mistakes (everyone does), so be prepared to learn.

At the moment you stand a much better chance of losing that money ($15k) than making this work.

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Mark Andrews Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by bnetwork

At the moment you stand a much better chance of losing that money ($15k) than making this work.

Precisely. Nail. Head.

You're coming up to retirement. You've saved up $15k. You want to make this strategy to work. And you've only got 6 months to do it in. It's a bloody tall order with what you're suggesting Joshua.

My greatest fear is you continue in this vein of thinking and you're going to blow your savings and not have a thing to show for it down the road.

Never mind the fact your 'business' won't be worth diddly fat squat after all the work you put in.

At the end of the day, this is a very high risk strategy you've got going through your mind. Which is why I urge you to ditch this model immediately. It's your financial welfare I'm concerned about here. Don't know you from Adam but what I do know is this idea of yours isn't going anywhere. Fact. Period. Indisputable. No argument about it.

What else have you been considering with your personal insights, experience and knowledge at your age?

Are you perhaps missing a golden opportunity which might be residing right underneath your nose, only with these blinkers on, you're missing the wood for the trees?

Have you carried out a S.W.O.T. analysis?

What are your Strengths?

What are your Weaknesses?

What are your Opportunities?

What are your Threats?

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sbucciarel

Banned 12 years ago

If you do buy the turnkey sites you're talking about, they will only do as well as the amount of effort that you put into them. Some of the ones at least that you are talking about are PLR sites that are sold numerous times, so you will need to add unique content to them to get anywhere with them. It's not a bad way to start some sites, but it will take some work to get them where you want them to be.

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ajarnjoshua 12 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

If you do buy the turnkey sites you're talking about...Some of the ones at least that you are talking about are PLR sites that are sold numerous times...

Can someone define PLR?

The reason I was looking at these is because of all the testimonials coming out of this very forum about them.
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- FredJones 12 years ago
  
  Lots of great suggestions here. One way to really do well is affiliate marketing.
  
  Maintaining 100 Adsense sites is less-than-productive. If you REALLY want to go the Adsense route (which is usually way less lucrative than affilate selling), then go for building only a few authority sites with lots of inner pages.
  
  Having said that, never ever depend upon one source of traffic (like Google). You need to diversify to protect your business against the whim or evolution of that single source.
  
  Make yourself a brand in your chosen niche(s). If you were to do only one thing in your marketing career, then you would want to consider your brand building as one of the very few candidates.
  
  The rest will follow if you successfully build and manage your brand.
  
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azmanar

12 years ago

Originally Posted by ajarnjoshua

I am not looking for any get rich quick schemes I'm just in a position in life and have a goal... I helped a good friend some years back develop a few dozen websites with very high quality very unique content. We added Adsense and some travel commission junction links, he did quite well and is doing much better these days. It was and is very successful he now has over 100 domains that are earning large for him.

When we parted ways all was technically his and I did not seek anything. Since then I have always thought about building my own network of profitable sites but always had life get in the way of actually doing it, now I really wanna do this.

I have some money to invest in this and when I look at the offers from Verena, CrazyAmit, Sterday, Mooreda & DesignWizz (Can't link yet, but assume you all know what these people do) I really wanna do this but have no idea how internet marketing works these days. What I most certainly do not want is to throw money into a dream and get nothing in return.

What type of time frame until sites such as the options above can earn a measly $1USD per day (this is my initial goal - a dollar per day x 100 websites)? Will being highly ranked on Google alone be enough to get traffic for some earnings like $1USD per day? I would imagine they can 'fade' without fresh content being added or new SEO work being done, what is the general degradation period? I guess my main question is what capital amount needed to produce enough quality websites to reach my initial goal of $1USD per day each?

Hi,

You have a good objective already in sight.

There are many ways in making money other than Adsense and CJ. What is really needed is Quality Content and Traffic. Like all others are saying, now is the time to make a small number of authority sites, instead of hundreds of sniper sites.

Now you need to plan a set of steps on how to achieve it. I suggest you speak to Bill Platt personally in private since he fully understands your intention.

I know you're an honest person. However, splashing $amounts in public where all sorts of people are around, is like a honeypot attracting drones of scammers and conmen. Use something more generic.

PS:
Edit your opening thread.

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cashcow

12 years ago

Instead of spending your money on a bunch of sites, you should consider investing it in one really good site that is already making money and on it's way to being an authority.

Obviously, you will have to do your due diligence to make sure you aren't getting ripped off but I think you stand a much better chance of growing an existing site then trying to juggle 100 brand new sites that have no authority or trust in googles eyes.

Plus it will already be earning money so you'll already be on the road towards your goal.

Today, one must have a good social presence, keep adding unique content and get authority back links if you want to enjoy the benefits of "free" search engine traffic. Can you do that with 100 sites?

Put your all into that 1 site and always think about how you can create value for the visitor and I think you will be much more successful.

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Alminc 12 years ago

ajarnjoshua,

I can only repeat what almost everybody told you, DON'T DO THAT!

All these guys here really gave you totally honest and correct advice.

I can only add one more thing. I see from your post that you feel preasured to achieve some serious business goals in a very short period of time (6 months), and I can tell you this: 6 months is nothing when it comes to building steady income from the Internet. Especially if you do seo based sites, it normally takes years.

And the very situation 'I must create $3000/month income within 6 months period' almost guarantees you are going to fail. Don't become just another victim of that kind of thinking.

If you really want to build an Internet based business, give yourself much, much more time and space for that project. Look around, analyse various options, talk to people (but keep your hard earned money in your pocket!), try to understand what's really possible.

Whatever you may choose to do, avoid dependence on Google for traffic. Learn about many other ways to generate traffic, there are plenty.

And never tell anybody what your budget is!

Consider doing affiliate marketing, that's much better option than building and maintaining 100 adsense sites.

Look at different models, but never trust anybody who promises you FAST and BIG profits, that's a trap, you'll be ripped off.

Above all, give yourself TIME.

Best of luck to you.

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jaiganeshv

12 years ago

Do not even think about scaling up or the multiply factor until you have ONE successful blog/website/product.

The amount you can spend may distract you but you need one home run before thinking of having multiple projects at a time, until then work on one project at a time please.

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Martin Percival 12 years ago

If you want to get up to speed on the current state of play in the affiliate world you wouldn't go far wrong by investing in something like the recent Affilorama release or maybe the "Bring the Fresh" stuff.

Both have good reputations and active user communities and I think the BTF team are still doing "done for you" sites once you understand their approach.
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SteveFinch

12 years ago

As most others have said, I'd suggest getting your domain and hosting, and building one site from scratch. Your 15k I'd drip feed into some info/software/memberships, as and when you need it, to help get your site earning reasonable money. But hang on to your money for as long as possible.

It is very, very easy to get suckered into wasting a lot of money in the IM game.

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ajarnjoshua

12 years ago

Thank you all very much for the honesty. I am taking your advice and will focus my direction on a much smaller scale. Bring The Fresh is not a scam?

What of guru's and IM masters do people still do this or has it all become too competitive to share and help others these days?

Edited: I would like to mention I am not at all considering a total focus on Adsense. I have had at least 3 friends get blacklisted by Google for things they had no power over. I would like to spread this across multiple streams of revenue.

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12 years ago

Hi Ajarnjoshua. In my opinion and based on my experience in providing services for the online marketing campaigns and the Internet businesses of our clients, it isn't sustainable business to depend on a third party for traffic and the bulk gross income of any business, online or offline, and I'm sure you know this, especially with Google, who can all of a sudden change their search ranking algorithm and devalue any site because of their own reasons (which they don't completely disclose). What I suggest is:

For you to develop your own products that can effectively solve the urgent needs and problems of a large group of people who can't solve those needs and problems on their own. These products can be:

Detailed step by step guides or tutorials or video courses or software done by authors/developers with specialized expertise in subject areas relevant in solving the urgent needs and problems of a specific group of people. With this model, you can:

Build a customer base who would want updates, improvements and other relevant solutions for their other related needs and problems. They'd be prepared to pay for those updates, improvements and other solutions. They'd most likely share those solutions with their own networks, since they could most likely know others with the same set of needs and problems.

You could start with one project, monitor the results you get from it, study RoI timeline and actual net profit margins in relation to your projections, then decide to go with another project, or continue with it, or replicate it but this time in different subject areas, just like what Bill (TPW) said. Hope this helps...

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by ajarnjoshua

I am not looking for any get rich quick schemes I'm just in a position in life and have a goal... I helped a good friend some years back develop a few dozen websites with very high quality very unique content. We added Adsense and some travel commission junction links, he did quite well and is doing much better these days. It was and is very successful he now has over 100 domains that are earning large for him.

When we parted ways all was technically his and I did not seek anything. Since then I have always thought about building my own network of profitable sites but always had life get in the way of actually doing it, now I really wanna do this.

I have about $15kUSD to invest in this and when I look at the offers from Verena, CrazyAmit, Sterday, Mooreda & DesignWizz (Can't link yet, but assume you all know what these people do) I really wanna do this but have no idea how internet marketing works these days. What I most certainly do not want is to throw all $15k into a dream and get nothing in return.

What type of time frame until sites such as the options above can earn a measly $1USD per day (this is my initial goal - a dollar per day x 100 websites)? Will being highly ranked on Google alone be enough to get traffic for some earnings like $1USD per day? I would imagine they can 'fade' without fresh content being added or new SEO work being done, what is the general degradation period? I guess my main question is will $15,000USD produce enough quality websites to reach my initial goal of $1USD per day each?

MY best advice to you would be to get back in touch with your friend (if you are still friends, not sure why you guys parted ways) but try to get in touch with him find out from him if he is still making money,find out from him if he can teach you.

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ajarnjoshua

12 years ago

Originally Posted by powerstrike

MY best advice to you would be to get back in touch with your friend (if you are still friends, not sure why you guys parted ways) but try to get in touch with him find out from him if he is still making money,find out from him if he can teach you.

I honestly miss him, but the terms we left on were my fault. I left one of his websites hanging in a dire situation with server issues during bandwidth peaks avoiding phone calls and emails. My mother was very near death with cancer and I did send an email explaining my issue. Then had no contact for a year, when initiating contact a year later I read he had made a remark in a public forum about some people not finishing what they started in reference to some of my website updates and that offended me because I had "donated" so much time toward his success. Just made everything feel ungrateful ya' know? That was last contact 3 years ago.

He is doing well (6 figures a year) from Adsense alone. Not an auto drive system, he posts blogs daily to half of the 80 sites. But is certainly earning well.

Appreciate the advice though.

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richardjes

12 years ago

Hi Joshua,

I am not giving any advice (many more experienced people have already done so) but just wanted to say thanks for starting this thread. I think I have learnt things myself and a lot of other people can learn from reading this thread so thankyou

Cheers