Where can I find a mentor for free?

by ckbank
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Basically, I am not a complete newb, but from the looks of it, people who succeed in IM are the ones who found mentors. Where does one find a mentor for free?
#find #free #mentor
  • Profile picture of the author Fredrik Aurdal
    You ask someone, or pay for it.
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    From their signatures >> blog
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  • Profile picture of the author Bruce NewMedia
    A serious mentor, not just someone who you can ask a question of now and then, will always have cost....maybe not always in dollars, but in skills and services you can trade. Instead of asking for a 'free' mentor, ask yourself, "what do I have that a potential mentor might be interested in?"....
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  • I would simply follow the tips given by your signature... :rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author David Keith
    Originally Posted by ckbank View Post

    Basically, I am not a complete newb, but from the looks of it, people who succeed in IM are the ones who found mentors. Where does one find a mentor for free?
    Where can I find an employee to do some work for me for free? I don't want to pay anything, but I really want the work done fast and with high quality.

    I am not trying to insult you, sometimes smart people ask dumb questions. It happens to us all. But honestly, why would anyone really spend their time to mentor you or anyone for free.

    Hell, even the guys flipping burgers want to get paid for their time. Surely most mentors that are worth anything will ask to be paid for their time as well.
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    • Profile picture of the author Will Edwards
      Originally Posted by David Keith View Post

      But honestly, why would anyone really spend their time to mentor you or anyone for free.
      Good question!

      Where can I find an employee to do some work for me for free? I don't want to pay anything, but I really want the work done fast and with high quality.
      Not a bad answer!

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    • Profile picture of the author ckbank
      Originally Posted by David Keith View Post

      Where can I find an employee to do some work for me for free? I don't want to pay anything, but I really want the work done fast and with high quality.

      I am not trying to insult you, sometimes smart people ask dumb questions. It happens to us all. But honestly, why would anyone really spend their time to mentor you or anyone for free.

      Hell, even the guys flipping burgers want to get paid for their time. Surely most mentors that are worth anything will ask to be paid for their time as well.
      Don't say you are not trying to insult me and then say "smart people ask dumb questions." That is the part that gives away your true character. Also, the reason I asked this question has to do with the fact that I know some people have found great mentors for free. They've built relationships with them. That's something you obviously don't have decent skills in. Also, even if my question is dumb, you didn't need to verbalize it and throw it in front of everyone. Finally, I'd like to say that none of us are flipping burgers here. Most of us are professionals who are looking to build friendly and professional relationships. Not all of us would want to get paid for helping a cat down from a tree or helping an old lady cross the street.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mark Andrews
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        Originally Posted by ckbank View Post

        Don't say you are not trying to insult me and then say "smart people ask dumb questions." That is the part that gives away your true character blah blah blah blah blahhhhh...
        Your true character is prominently on display right here in your reply to David Keith.

        Which sends out an extremely clear message that you'd be an absolute nightmare to mentor.

        You'd be argumentative, you wouldn't want to listen, you just want everything for free since then there's no vested interest on your part or commitment from you to take your mentors advice to heart.

        Now a mentor may have spent thousands of dollars and tens of thousands of hours to be in a position where they can mentor other individuals. And obviously you don't value this in the slightest, for if you did, you wouldn't be asking this question in the first place.

        Would you like me to hand you a metaphorical mirror for the next time you concoct up such an utterly daft reply towards someone highly experienced trying to help you to see the light?

        In this single reply of yours you instantly must have turned off almost every single mentor who was in a position to help you. You need to think about this. (Though somehow I doubt you will. Probably not capable - enough said).

        Now, if you're a professional (as you state) and this is about building professional relationships (as you state) then you must obviously see the contradiction in terms of your own question?

        Not only is it patently obvious your not a professional by any stretch of the imagination but it's also obvious that you're most definitely not ready for a mentor yet. You seriously need to adjust your attitude to business.

        Next you raise the example, 'would someone charge for helping a cat to climb down out of a tree or to help an old lady cross the road'?

        In the case of the first cited example you're looking at no more than half an hour of time, in the case of the second cited example, no more than one minute of your time.

        Citing these examples comparing them to business mentoring is just utterly ridiculous and proves your own level of complete and utter inexperience in business matters.

        Do you even have an inkling, any knowledge at all the time commitment required to mentor someone in this business?

        Do you, can you even begin to comprehend the number of hours it can take up within the space of a week dealing with all of the questions a newbie has?

        Do you understand the sheer amount of hand holding some newbies require? And how emotionally draining it can be at times when said student constantly argues back and forth?

        I can tell you from experience it can be a bloody pain in the neck mentoring some newbies pushing the mentor concerned to the limits of their patience and emotional endurance.

        And you, you want it all handed to you on a plate. And the end result?

        You want to acquire this knowledge to make money of course. Yet your poor old mentor in giving this to you free of charge, what is s/he left with? Diddly fat squat that's what.

        What mentor in their right mind would even consider mentoring somebody else for free?

        Can you honestly not see what an utterly absurd question this is you've posted up here?

        And what this say's about you?

        Most of the questions here btw are rhetorical. Only you can answer these questions for yourself.


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  • Profile picture of the author albertpikes
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    Originally Posted by ckbank View Post

    Basically, I am not a complete newb, but from the looks of it, people who succeed in IM are the ones who found mentors. Where does one find a mentor for free?
    You think you get a mentor here for free, if you had a gold mine, you gonna tell everyone where it is? Don't think so ... A friend of mine here asked a question about "Google placements" secrets and literary got booted off from this forum for revealing the obvious money source / best way to advertise! ... Yes booted off for revealing the obvious to newbies, that are constantly told by the Gurus to - use adwords to promote products! not google placements ...

    So gon't look for love here bro
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Originally Posted by albertpikes View Post

      A friend of mine here asked a question about "Google placements" secrets and literary got booted off from this forum for revealing the obvious money source / best way to advertise!
      I've PM'd this critter asking for the username of the "friend." If it's not entirely fictional, anyone want to bet on what illegal or blackhat technique the guy really got booted for?


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  • Profile picture of the author SteveFinch
    To be honest mate, I think you'll have a job getting someone to mentor you for free. Then again you could strike lucky, so I guess it's worth asking.
    I wish you luck with that.

    As Bruce said, if you can bring something to the table that makes it worthwhile to a mentor, you'll have a much greater chance.

    All the best
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  • Profile picture of the author David Keith
    Asking a dumb question on occasion should not be taken as an insult. We have all done it. I can promise you most of us will do it again sometime.

    as for finding a mentor for free. The most common way that happens is when the person seeking the mentors help does something to help them or show serious interest above and beyond the normal levels.

    Most mentors don't want to take on people who don't have a good bit of skin in the game. That is part of why they charge. So if you are not willing or able to pay, you need to show someone (a prospective mentor) that you are not only prepared to do more, but you ARE doing more than most.

    i wish you the best.
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  • Profile picture of the author jamesrich1
    Unfortunately the people who would be the best qualified to mentor you value their time at hundreds to thousands per hour. Would you ask someone to work for free?
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  • Profile picture of the author BrianMcLeod
    With the right attitude, this entire forum is a "mentor for free".

    With the wrong attitude, a $50k per year mastermind is worthless.

    A large part of being a successful entrepreneur revolves around your tolerance and management of RISK... and that's precisely where the journey ends for a great many.

    As it should... business is cruel, get used to it. You think David was tough on you? The market itself will chew you up and spit you out.

    David is a very sharp guy with loads of practical, boots on the ground marketing experience... and you were so busy being offended that you ignored the kindness he showed you in trying to set you straight.

    You're not ready for a mentor yet.
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    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
      Well said, Brian!

      The truth of the matter is that after seeing his response, even a mentor who was looking to take someone under his wing to pour into for the next generation, most likely would pass.

      A mentor is much like a coach in that their main goal is training you to be the best at what you do and pussyfooting around the truth fearing offending someone isn't anywhere to be found in their training manual, mental, written or otherwise.

      Terra
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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

        Terar
        Didn't you give me hell once for misspelling your name, ma'am?
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        • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
          Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

          Didn't you give me hell once for misspelling your name, ma'am?
          Busted before editing! :p

          Sorry, I've got uncontrollable happy dancing fingers today, lol!

          Terra
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          • Profile picture of the author prem khaira
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            ask and you shall receive
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            • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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              Originally Posted by prem khaira View Post

              ask and you might receive. But really, you shouldn't count on it because a possible mentor's time is valuable and asking to get something for nothing is bad form.
              You missed a little bit there. I fixed it for you .
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            • Profile picture of the author hugofortin
              Originally Posted by prem khaira View Post

              ask and you shall receive
              Hi,

              You just need to ask. If you believe in visualization, you should do it.

              Also, you should look for a mentor with traits:
              Yours mentor must:
              1. Have something that also have or experience
              2. Agree to mentor you (access to, not on TV)
              3. Be someone who can tell you no to you
              4. Have a lifestyle that you respect in every facets
              5. Be someone that you can be honest with, no manner what

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    • Profile picture of the author Mark Andrews
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      Originally Posted by BrianMcLeod View Post

      With the right attitude, this entire forum is a "mentor for free".

      With the wrong attitude, a $50k per year mastermind is worthless.

      A large part of being a successful entrepreneur revolves around your tolerance and management of RISK... and that's precisely where the journey ends for a great many.

      As it should... business is cruel, get used to it. You think David was tough on you? The market itself will chew you up and spit you out.

      David is a very sharp guy with loads of practical, boots on the ground marketing experience... and you were so busy being offended that you ignored the kindness he showed you in trying to set you straight.

      You're not ready for a mentor yet.
      Precisely. Bang on the money Brian.

      You got it in one.

      Warmest regards,


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  • Profile picture of the author Ross Petal
    There are wonderful people in here who could assist you but if you need proper mentoring, then it will probably cost you. You are on the right track as you have identified the fact that one route is to find a mentor to succeed. We go to school/college to learn from mentors and succeed. It's the same with IM.
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
    Brian,

    You forgot to mention that people with enough skill to be worth calling mentors are going to avoid anyone who reacts that badly to "that was a dumb question." Thin skins don't make for good students.


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    • Profile picture of the author albertpikes
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      Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

      Brian,

      You forgot to mention that people with enough skill to be worth calling mentors are going to avoid anyone who reacts that badly to "that was a dumb question." Thin skins don't make for good students.


      Paul
      Hi Paul, thanx for the email. The fellows name was zorin cash as his tag/nickname ... and he copped a lot of slack / beating from supposed gurus for revealing something that was like not supposed to be spoken about ... thanx
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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        Originally Posted by albertpikes View Post

        Hi Paul, thanx for the email. The fellows name was zorin cash as his tag/nickname ... and he copped a lot of slack / beating from supposed gurus for revealing something that was like not supposed to be spoken about ... thanx
        Riiiiight.

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        Gotcha. And, just for the record... Not banned.

        Next version of the story?


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        • Profile picture of the author Michael D Forbes
          Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

          Riiiiight.

          Joined: 07-28-2009
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          Gotcha. And, just for the record... Not banned.

          Next version of the story?


          Paul
          /me munches popcorn...

          This could be an interesting sub-plot, eh?
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          • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
            Michael,
            This could be an interesting sub-plot, eh?
            A very short one. Young Albert has already mentioned that he surfs using proxies, so banning him won't accomplish much, except to keep him from developing any kind of history here. Still, it's the appropriate response to an outright lie of this kind.

            My tolerance for that sort of thing has been turned down close to zero lately. Anyone who believes that "free speech" somehow entitles them to bash someone's business while on that business's property needs slapping with a dead fish anyway.


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  • Profile picture of the author Brad Gosse
    Assuming you are the guy with the nice car on your blog, you should be in a position to pay someone (or offer to help their favorite charity) in exchange for their help.
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  • Profile picture of the author lbradshaw
    I have definitely learned a lot without having to spend thousands of dollars. Tossing aside the reasons you may have for wanting to find a mentor for free (as it really doesn't matter, or at least doesn't matter to us), I suggest you do the following:

    Find 3-5 successful IM'ers that are successful within your chosen niche (use Google, EZA, etc). Get on their mailing list and see what they are doing, how they communicate, what they say, what they sell, and most importantly, talk to them; ask them questions. I would probably avoid the "will you mentor me for free" question lol, but still, you will definitely learn a lot, and those that truly care about helping other people succeed will help you along your journey, or at least point you in the right direction.

    I hope this helps and good luck!

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  • Profile picture of the author Chri5123
    The best way to get a mentor for free is....

    Books!!!!

    Take your pick!

    I suggest - The 4 Hour Work Week - Tim Ferris and Awaken the Giant Within - Tony Robbins.

    Then actually take action on what you read and you will be successful - or at least have a very good chance!

    Worked for me!

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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Andrews
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    The OP seems to have mysteriously vanished...


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      Best cryptic reply you've said all week.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Andrews
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    Originally Posted by Cantufind View Post

    He posted to me via p.m. Sometimes it's hard to ask specialists like most of you guys are for help because of course you earn your living doing so but how much would you have liked it if you had been given some help when you might have needed it. Let's hope he comes back and realizes you guys are just having fun and will no doubt share at least some knowledge if you can. There seems to be a great spirit in this place.
    Thank you for the reminder but obviously you being new here, something has obviously escape your notice...

    ...the fact that most of us do help others tremendously on this forum. You might want to check out our posting histories. The sheer amount of time given over to helping others repeatedly over and over again.

    What we collectively didn't appreciate here was the OP's attitude towards David Keith above. Which comment / reply was a dead giveaway about this posters overall attitude.

    In case you missed the point - he well and truly shot himself in the foot.

    Warmest regards,


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    Originally Posted by Cantufind View Post

    ...but how much would you have liked it if you had been given some help when you might have needed it. Let's hope he comes back and realizes you guys are just having fun and will no doubt share at least some knowledge if you can.
    I actually have had no shortage of help when I've needed it from a large number of Warriors. I've also made myself very available to help others in ways no one will ever see.

    What kills me, and others no doubt, is when people shoot down the very help they are asking for.

    There ARE people out there that are willing to help, and WILL, but come on... to place no value on someones time and talents and just say "Gimmee"... NOT a good way to start a relationship.

    As others have said... if he's getting that worked up over a very fair point to make (even if it might could have been said a little more gently...maybe) how will he respond to said mentor that might put things even more pointedly at times... we ALL need a good kick in the pants at times!
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  • Profile picture of the author David Keith
    Originally Posted by Cantufind View Post

    He posted to me via p.m. Sometimes it's hard to ask specialists like most of you guys are for help because of course you earn your living doing so but how much would you have liked it if you had been given some help when you might have needed it. Let's hope he comes back and realizes you guys are just having fun and will no doubt share at least some knowledge if you can. There seems to be a great spirit in this place.
    Not all of us are in the IM or MMO niche. I earn about 4% of my income from consulting and it takes up about 19% of my time according to my tracking stats. Most of that is with corporate level clients.

    I have considered a "budget" consulting thing for WF guys simply because i love what i do and know i could help people. But by the time you take all the taxes and fees into account even budget level consulting would have to be priced at $50 an hour for me to make $20 ish an hour.

    It just not very feasible to do one-on-one consulting/mentoring. Non-business people just don't realize how time consuming that stuff is. Most also don't know how much the opportunity costs for a high level mentor is when he decides to mentor instead of make money.

    The OP is asking for expert level training for free and what is he willing to do for free? He seems to value our time at nothing. He is not entitled to anyone's time for free.

    As Mark pointed out, some of us have spent thousands of hours and hundreds of thousands of dollars getting to the point where anyone would want our advice on marketing or making money online... Now we are just supposed to donate it?

    As Brian alluded to, there are a several hundred regulars here who offer free advice on a daily basis. I have not been compensated a nickle for my 1200 posts here. And probably 80%+ of those have been helping people who know less than I do about marketing. Many other people have several times my posts count with many more hours spent helping people for free here.

    It is about attitude. Its about how you present yourself. The OP chose to take the thread in the direction it went. He asked for free advice and when I gave him some that he didn't like, he went for personal attacks. could i have sugar coated my comments...sure. I chose not to. I chose to shoot straight and be honest.

    I said smart people ask dumb questions sometimes. Look back through my 1200 posts and I bet you will find some dumb comments or questions. We all have our blonde moments. And to any blondes out there...please no hate mail... i like blondes, really i do.

    The OP just needs to take a step back and relax. It is entirely possible to get the help he needs, maybe even for free. But one has to be receptive to advice and criticisms.
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      Originally Posted by David Keith View Post

      ....some of us have spent thousands of hours and hundreds of thousands of dollars getting to the point where anyone would want our advice on marketing or making money online... Now we are just supposed to donate it?
      Perfectly said.
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  • Profile picture of the author scottgallagher
    Someone who'll answer the phone and is teaching what they practice on a daily basis. My mentor, Dan Thies, was found with his free book in 2005.

    Now I teach his students my specialty.

    Unlike most of the gurus, someone like Dan discloses all of his business practices, revenue sources and teaches what he delivers to clients.

    I wanted to learn from someone that got good at what they do, not good at creating the sales vehicle.

    In fact, this is likely the biggest lesson I learned when opening my information business. My competition mostly aren't working educators, they are great at marketing information online.
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        Watch out, Paul Myers is on the war path again...
        Watch it, Nikko...
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          Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

          Watch it, Nikko...
          I was sat on the loo earlier thinking about this comment from Paul Myers. Nikko I was thinking. Nikko? Nikko what? Of course it took a pm from him explaining the name... the flying monkey gods from the film in 1939 The Wizard of Oz.

          Even then I didn't make the connection until (as is usual when sat on the bog) I had one of those Eureka! moments (no pun intended ) and joined the dots together...

          WTF? A Flying Witch and (duhhhhh lol) Nikko king of the flying monkey gods...

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  • Profile picture of the author kayfrank
    To get a real mentor you will pay a lot for! No one is going to do it for free! However sometimes you pick up gems. I am lucky to have started the quick start challenge with Dean Holland - a 4 week coaching course for under $20.

    Last week I won a free 6 month coaching course with Dean worth $5000 - that gives you some idea of what these guys charge! (I was one of the lucky winners from this 4 week challenge! - 2 weeks still to go).

    Perhaps he will do another one in the future? Maybe I will myself...... if I make it with Deans mentoring! :-)
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    Michael,

    There is something vaguely disturbing about seeing that picture with the caption, "Link Juice Smoothie - All Natural Link Love!"


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    • Profile picture of the author Michael D Forbes
      Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

      Michael,

      There is something vaguely disturbing about seeing that picture with the caption, "Link Juice Smoothie - All Natural Link Love!"


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      LOL, nice! I can assure you that Link Juice Smoothie's don't contain fish, dead or otherwise.
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      • Profile picture of the author ckbank
        Maybe I'm the only one on here who can see this, but this place is full of jerks.

        Here's a summary of what happened:

        1. I asked a question
        2. Answer: smart people can ask dumb questions and you gotta pay for a mentor - in other words - my question was dumb - and I gotta make one of you a bit richer to learn some basics
        3. I defend myself against verbal inappropriateness
        4. I get attacked again

        Who is unprofessional in this scenario?

        P.S. I thought I would ask how go get a mentor for free, because I read a very inspiring book about a guy who was deep in debt and ended up making millions with the help of a good Samaritan.

        That's not what I am looking for anyway. A mentor to me is a friend or an acquaintance I can ask couple of questions on a weekly basis. That's all. Keep up your bullying and good luck. I can succeed without this forum.
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        • Profile picture of the author David Keith
          I wish you the best.

          try this experiment. Get up tomorrow and go to mcdonalds. Ask them to give you some food for free.

          then head to the gas station and ask them to fill your car up with gas for free.

          then go over to walmart and load up your cart with stuff and ask the clerk not to charge you for it.

          after that, call up a guy to come mow your lawn and when he gets there, ask him to do it for free.

          My guess is that you will run into a lot of jerks tomorrow as well if you follow this experiment.

          Originally Posted by ckbank View Post

          Maybe I'm the only one on here who can see this, but this place is full of jerks.

          Here's a summary of what happened:

          1. I asked a question
          2. Answer: smart people can ask dumb questions and you gotta pay for a mentor - in other words - my question was dumb - and I gotta make one of you a bit richer to learn some basics
          3. I defend myself against verbal inappropriateness
          4. I get attacked again

          Who is unprofessional in this scenario?

          P.S. I thought I would ask how go get a mentor for free, because I read a very inspiring book about a guy who was deep in debt and ended up making millions with the help of a good Samaritan.

          That's not what I am looking for anyway. A mentor to me is a friend or an acquaintance I can ask couple of questions on a weekly basis. That's all. Keep up your bullying and good luck. I can succeed without this forum.
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          • Profile picture of the author ckbank
            Originally Posted by David Keith View Post

            I wish you the best.

            try this experiment. Get up tomorrow and go to mcdonalds. Ask them to give you some food for free.

            then head to the gas station and ask them to fill your car up with gas for free.

            then go over to walmart and load up your cart with stuff and ask the clerk not to charge you for it.

            after that, call up a guy to come mow your lawn and when he gets there, ask him to do it for free.

            My guess is that you will run into a lot of jerks tomorrow as well if you follow this experiment.
            1. You don't even deny that I am running into jerks.
            2. You had no argument the minute you joined this forum, because as you've just done, you probably constantly answer questions on this forum. Do you ask for a quarter every single time you respond or answer a question?
            3. All of the examples you've pointed out don't apply to any of this, because I have not asked to be mentored for free. I've asked how I can find a mentor for free. This is the same as asking someone where I can get free burgers or free gas. And trust me, many charities and organizations will provide you with these resources.
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        • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
          Maybe I'm the only one on here who can see this,
          Delusions often have that attribute.
          but this place is full of jerks.
          I wouldn't say full, and I wouldn't say jerks. We do, however, have a healthy crop of petulant brats with entitlement issues.

          A number of Very Smart People, David not least among them, tried to offer you constructive advice. As happens occasionally, there was an edge to some of that. Rather than stopping to consider the possible merits of that advice, you reacted like you'd been physically slapped. You let your ego take over.

          There is little in the Universe as deliberately unaware as ego on a rampage.

          And here, at the end, is the worst lesson of all: Had you said you were looking for someone who could help you out by answering a few questions occasionally, you'd likely have had more than a few qualified volunteers.

          Shot in the foot, indeed.


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          • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
            2. You had no argument the minute you joined this forum, because as you've just done, you probably constantly answer questions on this forum. Do you ask for a quarter every single time you respond or answer a question?
            Hung by your own tongue. Lawdee, how I love the smell of fresh irony.

            Lots of us answer questions every day, and we don't ask for anything in return. And lots of people use the forum as a whole as their mentor. Sound familiar? (There's an echo in here. There's an echo in here...)

            Here's a novel approach you might try. Come in and ask your questions, after giving them careful thought, with an eye to a clear plan. If someone answers in a helpful way, say "Thank you. That's helpful." Then go do something with it, and tell them your results.

            Crazy notion, I know, but it might just work.


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        • Profile picture of the author Butazi
          Originally Posted by ckbank View Post

          Maybe I'm the only one on here who can see this, but this place is full of jerks.

          Here's a summary of what happened:

          1. I asked a question
          2. Answer: smart people can ask dumb questions and you gotta pay for a mentor - in other words - my question was dumb - and I gotta make one of you a bit richer to learn some basics
          3. I defend myself against verbal inappropriateness
          4. I get attacked again
          Here's a summary of what should have happened.

          1. TC asked a question
          2. Answer: smart people can ask dumb questions and you gotta pay for a mentor - in other words - the question was dumb - and TC's gotta make one of you a bit richer to learn some basics
          3. TC laughs about it and realizes that it was a dumb question, but he is smart, then says oops and other WF members give helpful advice with some side trolling since it's all in good fun
          4. Topic dies down and TC get's an idea of what to do next.


          And as for the guy who asked to go to McDonalds and ask for free food, it works (low % of the time). I got free fries just asking after an order, and got double meat on a subway sub (no extra charge) because I asked .

          I'm 99.999% sure it won't work in this case, ha.
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          • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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            Originally Posted by Butazi View Post

            And as for the guy who asked to go to McDonalds and ask for free food, it works (low % of the time). I got free fries just asking after an order, and got double meat on a subway sub (no extra charge) because I asked .

            I'm 99.999% sure it won't work in this case, ha.
            As someone who worked in fast food for way too long, a hint: they know what you're doing and they hate you for it. They just aren't allowed to say anything.
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            • Profile picture of the author azmanar
              Originally Posted by Joe Robinson View Post

              As someone who worked in fast food for way too long, a hint: they know what you're doing and they hate you for it. They just aren't allowed to say anything.
              lol .... you never stop...

              Every time I go to Starbucks to buy a pack of Italian roast coffee beans, I'd always ask for a free cup of coffee. They obliged every time.

              I sure wish I could do the same at the bank.
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              • Profile picture of the author Lance K
                I see that the OP is banned. This is for anyone still looking for an answer to their original question.

                Make a plan, go do something, & learn from your mistakes. Then tweak your plan, go do more stuff, & learn from your next mistakes. Repeat.

                That's esentially what a mentor is going to help you understand.

                So use the forum as a type of mentor. Ask good/specific questions regarding any of the above (planning, doing, & learning) and you'll get plenty of help.
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            • Profile picture of the author Butazi
              Originally Posted by Joe Robinson View Post

              As someone who worked in fast food for way too long, a hint: they know what you're doing and they hate you for it. They just aren't allowed to say anything.
              Why would they hate me for it? I order my food then just ask for free food. They say no most of the time. Of course they know what I'm doing, I am asking them for food!

              I honestly can't see this as being taken the wrong way. It's not like I go up to BK and ask, "Hey can I get 3 hamburgers for free".

              Hell, most of the time it's me charming my way for free food. I don't try it on guys, I'd imagine it wouldn't work as well.
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              • Profile picture of the author azmanar
                Originally Posted by Butazi View Post

                I honestly can't see this as being taken the wrong way. It's not like I go up to BK and ask, "Hey can I get 3 hamburgers for free".

                Hell, most of the time it's me charming my way for free food. I don't try it on guys, I'd imagine it wouldn't work as well.
                How about making a FREE WSO titled:

                " Hey can I get 3 hamburgers for free ? "
                Charming my way for Free food.

                j/k.
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              • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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                Originally Posted by Butazi View Post

                Why would they hate me for it?
                You're not seeing anything other than your side (which I guess you can't be blamed for, it's pretty common). You aren't the "charming guy" who wows people into getting free food. You're the jackass who couldn't place his entire order at the right time and now you're getting free stuff because they have been trained to do whatever it takes to get the customer out the door without bitching.

                So whether or not you get free food really comes down to how afraid said employee is of pissing you off.

                Trust me, there were many, many, many conversations on the topic after our shifts over the years.
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                • Profile picture of the author Butazi
                  Originally Posted by Joe Robinson View Post

                  You're not seeing anything other than your side (which I guess you can't be blamed for, it's pretty common). You aren't the "charming guy" who wows people into getting free food. You're the jackass who couldn't place his entire order at the right time and now you're getting free stuff because they have been trained to do whatever it takes to get the customer out the door without bitching.

                  So whether or not you get free food really comes down to how afraid said employee is of pissing you off.

                  Trust me, there were many, many, many conversations on the topic after our shifts over the years.
                  Sorry, I'm not buying it.

                  I have no idea where you get the idea that I don't place an entire order at the right time (whatever that means). I just ask for free fries or double meat without any hostility or demeaning manor. I have worked in retail before and customers would also do similar things asking for huge discounts or freebies, only once out of hundreds of times where someone actually has gotten angry or hostile when we declined their "special discounts".

                  Maybe things work differently where I come from, but just about all of the time whenever I (at fast food) or a customer (working in retail) have done this tactic, the response is usually, "heh, had to try, ha". And life moves on.

                  Perhaps I expect too much out of people to be logical.

                  Either way, time to put out the free food ebook
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        • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
          Originally Posted by ckbank View Post

          Maybe I'm the only one on here who can see this, but this place is full of jerks.

          Here's a summary of what happened:

          1. I asked a question
          2. Answer: smart people can ask dumb questions and you gotta pay for a mentor - in other words - my question was dumb - and I gotta make one of you a bit richer to learn some basics
          3. I defend myself against verbal inappropriateness
          4. I get attacked again

          Who is unprofessional in this scenario?

          P.S. I thought I would ask how go get a mentor for free, because I read a very inspiring book about a guy who was deep in debt and ended up making millions with the help of a good Samaritan.

          That's not what I am looking for anyway. A mentor to me is a friend or an acquaintance I can ask couple of questions on a weekly basis. That's all. Keep up your bullying and good luck. I can succeed without this forum.
          wow! Listen, when you are self-employed, your time means money. Your mentor's time is valuable, and he or she, like you, needs to earn a living. You should understand that, and not feel like you're entitled to get free mentoring.

          If you would have come on here and posted something like this:

          I need a mentor, and even though I have no funds to pay yet, is there anyone who would be interested in a barter arrangement? I will do "xyz" in exchange for your help.

          I would have helped you in a heartbeat and so would others, I'm sure.

          Even if you didn't mean to come across like the way you did, unfortunately you did, and now people think you have a bad attitude. Be careful how you post, if you didn't mean to come across that way!

          Are you willing to work and trade your services for a mentor? If yes, then maybe, you'll find someone on here who'll help you.



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      • Profile picture of the author The Great Gordino
        I guess it depends on what is meant by 'mentoring'.

        Right from the beginning I have been able to ask questions on this forum by starting a new thread, and had some amazingly helpful answers back.

        On more than one occasion members have done work on coding or sites for me, and have been happy with the genuine 'thank you' that I offered (in fact when I offered more than thanks it was politely declined)

        So in that respect, help and answers are here in abundance.
        I guess 'mentoring' suggests more of a 1 to 1 approach, but also imposing accountability.

        Well, accountability can, and probably *should* start from within, so if that is set up in someone's mind, and they follow through and research the advice given, then free mentoring can indeed be found here!
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  • Profile picture of the author David Keith
    yep, we are all just a bunch of jerks here. When i am not insulting members on WF, i am usually off killing kittens....jk guys. i like kittens.

    Do you not find it the least bit odd that many people who have the ability to give you exactly what you seek have no interest in doing so almost entirely because of your attitude.

    in fact, just a couple hours ago, a guy reached out to me for advice. Almost asking the exact same thing you were asking for, but with a much different attitude. I spent close to an hour on skype with him just today. I didn't charge him a dime.

    and then later tonight, another individual who's thread i posted on reached out to me for additional help. Once again he was added to my skype, and likely will get some of my attention.

    Seriously man your attitude is only hurting you... no one else.
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    • Profile picture of the author ckbank
      Originally Posted by David Keith View Post

      yep, we are all just a bunch of jerks here. When i am not insulting members on WF, i am usually off killing kittens....jk guys. i like kittens.

      Do you not find it the least bit odd that many people who have the ability to give you exactly what you seek have no interest in doing so almost entirely because of your attitude.

      in fact, just a couple hours ago, a guy reached out to me for advice. Almost asking the exact same thing you were asking for, but with a much different attitude. I spent close to an hour on skype with him just today. I didn't charge him a dime.

      and then later tonight, another individual who's thread i posted on reached out to me for additional help. Once again he was added to my skype, and likely will get some of my attention.

      Seriously man your attitude is only hurting you... no one else.
      Dude, go back and see when my attitude changed. Go back and see what changed my attitude. And go back and see whose attitude sucked in the first place. Nothing gives you the right to answer a simple question with backhanded compliments.

      One more thing. What you've just posted is in no way related to the previous post. Doesn't it suck to reach the end of your inductive reasoning skills and change subjects to appear humble and righteous?
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  • Profile picture of the author David Keith
    ckbank, You know the only thing that bothers me about situations like this is that I am nearly 100% sure I can help you.

    Despite all that has gone in this thread here is my offer. I will be online about 14 hours tomorrow. doing web stuff and day trading.

    my skype ID is just to the left in my profile. You add me to skype and contact me. I will be willing to spend an hour or so going over where you are at and what i think you need to do to take your business to the next level.

    I have made my living online for more than 16 years in more niches than i can even count. I have used just about every legal method to monetize web properties big and small. Its highly likely I can help you.

    I will make no mention of this thread and its shenanigans. I am just offering to help.

    The ball is in your court now.
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    • Profile picture of the author ckbank
      Originally Posted by David Keith View Post

      ckbank, You know the only thing that bothers me about situations like this is that I am nearly 100% sure I can help you.

      Despite all that has gone in this thread here is my offer. I will be online about 14 hours tomorrow. doing web stuff and day trading.

      my skype ID is just to the left in my profile. You add me to skype and contact me. I will be willing to spend an hour or so going over where you are at and what i think you need to do to take your business to the next level.

      I have made my living online for more than 16 years in more niches than i can even count. I have used just about every legal method to monetize web properties big and small. Its highly likely I can help you.

      I will make no mention of this thread and its shenanigans. I am just offering to help.

      The ball is in your court now.
      Thanks, but no thanks. Good luck to all. I have nothing else to say.
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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        I have nothing else to say.
        As you wish...
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    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
      Originally Posted by David Keith View Post

      ckbank, You know the only thing that bothers me about situations like this is that I am nearly 100% sure I can help you.

      Despite all that has gone in this thread here is my offer. I will be online about 14 hours tomorrow. doing web stuff and day trading.

      my skype ID is just to the left in my profile. You add me to skype and contact me. I will be willing to spend an hour or so going over where you are at and what i think you need to do to take your business to the next level.

      I have made my living online for more than 16 years in more niches than i can even count. I have used just about every legal method to monetize web properties big and small. Its highly likely I can help you.

      I will make no mention of this thread and its shenanigans. I am just offering to help.

      The ball is in your court now.
      David,

      I just wanted to thank you for your generous offer as I'm quite sure the recipient of it won't give you one.

      I'm also embarrassed by the rude comment and bad form you received in response to your offer and would like to say I'm sorry, as again, I'm sure you won't get one of those either.

      I'm reminded of why I love this forum in your actions.

      By the way, the way you showed the error of the ckbank's ways, then offered to help him is indeed the methodology of a great coach.

      I for one appreciated it as others did I'm sure. Well, except for the recipient.

      Terra
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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        Terror,

        ckbank had put himself into a position where he couldn't allow himself the option of accepting David's offer. He had too much ego invested in the casting of his little drama, with David in the role of Snidely Whiplash and himself as little Nell.

        If he comes back when the ban expires and reprises the role, I'm going to go cross-over, and introduce him to Boris Badenov.


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        • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
          Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

          Terror...
          Paul
          Splorf!

          Haha! You just gave me the giggles that I'm sure are going to stick with me for the rest of the day.

          Yerra or Terror, pick one, wouldja!

          Of course Terra would work too. Even I get that right 99.99 percent of the time. :p

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          • Profile picture of the author xaron
            At the risk of sounding like I'm hijacking the thread (come to think of it, maybe I am, but it's for a good cause), I wonder if this topic can be salvaged and sail back into calmer waters. Instead of focusing on the current topic / OP, perhaps tweak it a little and have the veterans offer their advice on how newbies can find some truly genuine and successful "allies" within WF, that are open to helping those still trying to make it.

            When I first started reading this thread I was intrigued by the title, thinking (as others have already mentioned) "why on earth would anyone successful wish to spend their time fielding questions from newbies, let alone mentor them for free?"

            Surely, even the most selfless of entrepreneurs would find it taxing, given the sheer number of people wanting help. Still, I was curious and wondered if the adage "if you don't ask, you don't get" held true in this instance. It never dawned on me to find a "mentor". Simply because I felt they wouldn't have the time / desire, or it would be too expensive (regardless of the number of questions or hand holding involved).

            Is there a certain way of going about contacting a successful entrepreneur that would get their attention (in a positive way)? Is it enough if you have nothing else to offer other than time, a desire to succeed and a healthy dose of humility? If not, are there "rates" for a one on one session? I don't want to carpet bomb peoples inbox with "newbie greetings", nor do I want to upset anyone or have them hit delete without even having read my PM because the title was poorly worded. General "do's and don'ts" would be very helpful.

            There are a lot of well-intentioned warriors here that have always provided sound advice whenever I've posted about IM related issues. However, I wouldn't mind trying a different approach this time around. A one on one with someone that has actually made it and is earning good money within IM. Someone with the experience that could give me some honest advice about where I'm at, the next steps and whether my project is worth pursuing. A few questions here and there or a short conversation would probably suffice.

            N.B. If anyone has me in their crosshairs (for whatever reason), please...put the safety back on and put the gun down! I come in peace! *waves white flag*
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            • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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              Originally Posted by xaron View Post

              At the risk of sounding like I'm hijacking the thread (come to think of it, maybe I am, but it's for a good cause), I wonder if this topic can be salvaged and sail back into calmer waters. Instead of focusing on the current topic / OP, perhaps tweak it a little and have the veterans offer their advice on how newbies can find the some truly genuine and successful "allies" within WF, that are open to helping those still trying to make it.
              For free? Find the people who's opinion you like, respect, and who's facts can be verified through evidence or your own testing. Reach out to them. Not a 100% success rate; but anyone thinking it would be is simply foolish.

              Paid? A quick search in the WSO forum for the keywords "mentor" and "coach" returns 166 results. That's not even counting the classified sections, potentially the JV section, signatures, and other websites.

              The answer is right in front of anyone looking for it.
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              • Profile picture of the author xaron
                Originally Posted by Joe Robinson View Post

                For free? Find the people who's opinion you like, respect, and who's facts can be verified through evidence or your own testing. Reach out to them. Not a 100% success rate; but anyone thinking it would be is simply foolish.

                Paid? A quick search in the WSO forum for the keywords "mentor" and "coach" returns 166 results. That's not even counting the classified sections, potentially the JV section, signatures, and other websites.

                The answer is right in front of anyone looking for it.
                I wouldn't mind doing both actually.

                The free option would take time but again, I'm wondering how receptive these people are to "strangers" contacting them.

                If you're a high roller and you have people left and right filling up your inbox with "mentor needed" PM's, I'd imagine you'd ignore those and just answer the ones from the people you knew. At best, pick a few newbies to respond to, based on what caught your eye in the PM title. That's why I wondering about the do's and don'ts.

                As for the paid option, of the 166 results you probably know exactly which ones to go for (if indeed you needed mentoring / general one on one advice in the first place). I'm at a disadvantage there.
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                • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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                  Originally Posted by xaron View Post

                  I wouldn't mind doing both actually.

                  The free option would take time but again, I'm wondering how receptive these people are to "strangers" contacting them.

                  If you're a high roller and you have people left and right filling up your inbox with "mentor needed" PM's, I'd imagine you'd ignore those and just answer the ones from the people you knew. At best, pick a few newbies to respond to, based on what caught your eye in the PM title. That's why I wondering about the do's and don'ts.
                  It's been my experience that some will answer, some won't. You'd be surprised at how helpful some Warriors can be. I used to know the feeling of being afraid of asking for help. You get over it by just doing it though.

                  You're also right that some won't answer. They have other things to do, don't feel obligated, or like you said just block PM's from people they don't know. It all depends on how you word things and how you come across on the forum a lot of the time. Don't look like a spammer and you won't be treated like one .

                  Originally Posted by xaron View Post

                  As for the paid option, of the 166 results you probably know exactly which ones to go for (if indeed you needed mentoring / general one on one advice in the first place). I'm at a disadvantage there.
                  I could probably spot the crap ones, yes. I'm proud of my BS meter. As to which ones would be the best, probably not actually. I never received (or have given) one on one coaching myself, so I only have an arbitrary set of standards in my head that could be far from what a newbie expects.
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    • Profile picture of the author Herbowo
      I see.. Some warriors get banned from this thread
      and I think they deserve it,, since it was so rude comment there

      Originally Posted by David Keith View Post

      my skype ID is just to the left in my profile. You add me to skype and contact me. I will be willing to spend an hour or so going over where you are at and what i think you need to do to take your business to the next level...
      so, will your offer made also for other warrior except him? (ckbank)
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      • Profile picture of the author David Keith
        Originally Posted by Herbowo View Post


        so, will your offer made also for other warrior except him? (ckbank)
        my skype id is not hidden. it hasn't been in a very long time.

        Of course, if you try to sell me stuff, i will ban you.

        If you don't respect my time, i will block you.

        If you chose to use me to answer all your questions rather than take some initiative and use google or other resources, you will be blocked.

        Basically if you attempt to abuse my offer, I will take appropriate action.
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    The truth is that guys like him just really dont understand the way things work. To them, it's always someone else's fault.

    He gave every excuse for this thread not meeting his needs. He never took any responsibility for any of it himself.

    He never saw why many of us were explaining the reasons good mentors don't do much for free. in fact, he became the perfect example of why decent mentors charge at least a small fee... to weed out guys like him.

    I guess i am going to have to start wearing my kid gloves around here so as not to offend any thin skinned people.
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      David,

      Yep.

      It's interesting to watch how people respond to a perceived "challenge." Some implode, like this fellow. Others rise to it, and after they have the obligatory fit, realize the intent is to be helpful. Those folks often end up becoming serious contributors.

      A useful gauge. And enlightening.


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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
    I see.. Some warriors get banned from this thread
    and I think they deserve it,, since it was so rude comment there
    Temporary, this time around.

    A little snark and abrasive commentary is generally acceptable. This isn't the Kindergarten Forum, after all. But there are limits, and this guy has been pushing them on a regular basis.

    A few recent occurrences have lowered our tolerance for certain types of commentary.


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    Edit: just noticed you have been banned.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris-
    Find somone posting how they've succeeded doing something you want to do, and ask them to help you.

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  • Profile picture of the author bibs
    Wow. If David offered me his help, I'll accept it even we had an argument. Don't let your ego get in the way.
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    • Profile picture of the author cashp0wer
      I can't imagine a real true mentor that really knows his stuff would offer his services for free. I know I wouldn't. Answering questions, etc. is another thing but completely mentoring someone takes time and energy, and the mentor should be paid for his time.
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  • Profile picture of the author rob9482
    I think your best bet is to have a look around this forum start interacting with people on here get to know a few guys and I'm sure you will learn a lot from the people on here because once you know them you can ask for advice or help along the way you don't particularly need one mentor just maybe a group of friends that have a wide knowledge base that you can discuss things with on a regular basis.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nathan2525
    Originally Posted by ckbank View Post

    Basically, I am not a complete newb, but from the looks of it, people who succeed in IM are the ones who found mentors. Where does one find a mentor for free?
    No decent IM will mentor for free unless you are friends with them.

    It's all about ROI:

    I pay my coach $150 per hour and I am now making thousands
    of extra dollars each month because of it.

    "Most small business owners believe they cannot afford
    marketing. Response: Marketing is the best ROI activity you
    can do
    " Jay Abraham

    This advice is gold. It equally applies to mentoring.
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  • if the situation was reverse would you do it for free?
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    soon people... Relax...
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  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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    *Peeks in* I wonder if the three above me realize what they said has already been said, and that the OP is currently on vacation...

    *Backs out of thread slowly while creeper staring*
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael D Forbes
    I just knew this thread was going to get better! Did we get two bans out of it?

    Paul can you ban Joe for being a creeper?

    Hat-Trick!
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    • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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      Originally Posted by Michael D Forbes View Post

      I just knew this thread was going to get better! Did we get two bans out of it?

      Paul can you ban Joe for being a creeper?

      Hat-Trick!
      I thought that was the whole reason I was allowed to stay. Every forum needs one.
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      Michael,
      Hat-Trick!
      I know this one!

      "Hey, Rocky. Watch me pull a hat out of this rabbit... Nothin' up muh sleeves... Wait. How'd that get there?"
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  • Profile picture of the author Aemilia
    wonderful responses....
    @CKbank... if you want a mentor, you gata show you really deserve one... the business world is not for thin skins... and don't hope for free!
    you may find one though, it will just cost you more.....
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  • Profile picture of the author David Keith
    @xaron what a dumb question...jk...i had to.

    There are several things that go into finding people to help you.

    first of all, as displayed in this thread, we all have egos. One of the fastest ways to get a person to notice you is to stroke their ego a bit. compliment them. Very few people will ignore this and not take notice.

    As for finding a mentor for free. The word mentor can mean so many things to so many different people. For some, it means hold your hand and teach you baby steps about every single aspect of everything. No one will do that for free.

    For some, its more of a one time consult where a person who has "been there done that" can offer a few pieces of wisdom and guidance. That happens everyday here in group form and many of us do some of this one on one as well with people we see potential in.

    For others, they are really needing a life coach more than a business mentor. These are people who really don't need a true professional mentor but rather an accountability partner. Those people are much easier to find and often develop out of loosely formed friendships. They don't require either party to be an expert marketer, they just require 2 people pushing each other to DO more.

    And for others, they really just need a person who they respect to give them a vote of confidence and encourage them a bit. Many fail to take much action because they do not believe their actions will have the affect they desire. Sometimes all thats needed to provoke massive action is a person in a "leadership" type of position to say..."you are on the right track...keep going". That also happens a lot on WF.
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    • Profile picture of the author TorinoGray
      Originally Posted by David Keith View Post

      @xaron what a dumb question...jk...i had to.

      There are several things that go into finding people to help you.

      first of all, as displayed in this thread, we all have egos. One of the fastest ways to get a person to notice you is to stroke their ego a bit. compliment them. Very few people will ignore this and not take notice.
      David,

      You're not only a powerful man, but a handsome man.. I knew right away you were a force to be reckoned with..

      Mentor me?

      JK
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  • Profile picture of the author svk_hereiam
    You can find good training programs and good mentors as well... I have personally learnt from a couple of such training programs. I try to pass on the information I learnt to to newbies...
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    • Profile picture of the author xaron
      @David Keith

      Given your anecdote about egos, this reeks of irony but I have to compliment you on a great post. Not everything "clicks" with me on WF but some people just have a way with words that make sense every time.

      Using your terminology, I think a consult is what I need. Someone that I know is 100% legit and established within the WF community, honest and is to some extent "living the dream".

      I wouldn't mind building a few friendships on WF and getting advice that way too but I just assumed if you're new then no one further up the ladder would have the time to talk shop with you.

      @hereiam

      Unfortunately, training programs go over my head. It's not that they're necessarily complicated, I just find my eyes start to glaze over after a while and the "voice" turning into an unintelligible "warble" akin to the sound of Charlie Browns teacher from Peanuts. Maybe I'm old school, but I much prefer "real time" conversations, whether it's in person, over the phone or otherwise.
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  • Profile picture of the author fantasticjackson
    It probably won't happen for free. Finding a marketer who is willing to help you succeed rather than profiting off of you is a job in itself.

    Just learn from the school of hard knocks like everyone else. Not being a smarty pants but it will improve your skills as a marketer.

    Just follow through with any projects. And don't leave it for dead if you don't make money instantly. Kick it a few more times before killing it. You will go thru lots of useless crap like everyone else here.

    What chops my hide is when ppl have these untested ideas and create a wso touting how it's the next big thing. Then others selling wso's on how to pay a writer and create wso's.

    There needs to be reform in all of these forums.
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  • Profile picture of the author David Keith
    @xaron - my skype id is in my profile.

    as for training programs. The real issue most have with them is either they are poorly designed and just very overwhelming or they go at a pace that is either too slow or too fast to fit each persons needs.

    also, a lot of these programs are designed with selling them being a much bigger priority than them actually working for users.

    If i had to recommend one, it would be the chris farrell site. It is probably one of the best for newbie to intermediate marketers, but honestly its pretty overwhelming to a lot of people.
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  • Profile picture of the author Butazi
    Ahahaha, well played.
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      Originally Posted by Butazi View Post

      Ahahaha, well played.
      Well... with your experience and a bit of creativity, you can make it happen.

      You'll never know. This stuff can get really viral during hard times.

      For 3 bucks in Amazon, Kindle and Ebookstore, it could be hot.
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  • Profile picture of the author lilphilupt
    Even though a lot of folks that offer coaching charge, you always have those super generous warriors that wouldn't mind mentoring you for free. Your in the right place for sure, i hope you find someone that has the free time and that is willing to do so. I have been in that same position before, God bless.
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  • Profile picture of the author larry1113
    Originally Posted by ckbank View Post

    Basically, I am not a complete newb, but from the looks of it, people who succeed in IM are the ones who found mentors. Where does one find a mentor for free?
    If you want a serious and good mentor you're going to have to pay for it. MOST of the time.

    You could go to live events and offer to buy them dinner or a beer, that could work.

    But long term mentoring is not going to come free. Think about it. If you want a successful mentor then he/she's time is worth a lot of money per hour.

    I'd be prepared to pay for that time

    It's worth it though!
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  • Profile picture of the author jamesgan
    You can learn something for free but not everything.
    This differentiate serious learner and freebies seeker, if no values/prices tags can be labelled on what you learned then what are there to learn anyways.
    This world can't run on free services alone.
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  • Profile picture of the author TryBPO
    OP's question...answered:

    Free Small Business Advice | How-to Resources | Tools | Templates | SCORE

    SCORE is a program that matches (usually older) business professionals with those looking to get started. It's a mentorship program with those who have had success, are often retired, and would love to share and pass on their experiences to those just starting out or even intermediate business owners.

    They'll go even further for you, setting up mock board meetings for you to attend and present your case. It's 100% free. My business partner and I were in their program years ago and it helped considerably. I believe it's only in the US, but not sure...

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    TropicalMBA paid internships. You'll be learning and working with those who are successful at running international companies. You get paid an extremely minimal amount, but you're living in the 3rd world and costs are extremely low. You're often given enough extra time to work on your own business and have mentors that are working right along side you. We've hired our own Intern using this model...Chris Ducker in Cebu has done the same. It's "free" and open to anyone in the world...but you have to be selected.

    That's all I have for now, but there are plenty more examples of things like this available.

    Now...that being said...there's absolutely no way you would have been selected for our Internship with the attitude you've presented here. Not. A. Chance. In fact, I've recently written a post that describes why. (Paul and others...you might find this amusing!)

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  • Profile picture of the author onlinebizgiant
    Originally Posted by ckbank View Post

    Basically, I am not a complete newb, but from the looks of it, people who succeed in IM are the ones who found mentors. Where does one find a mentor for free?
    Mentors are really an essential for succeding online and offline. I can suggest you top mentors you can rely on but I don't know whether they do their service for FREE.
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  • Profile picture of the author Christopherlhk
    In my opinion, getting a mentor is like getting a girlfriend, it's a relationship not a service. If they like you and can see a worth in teaching you, they'll usually be willing to guide you. My mentors in life just enjoy the feeling of giving back to the community, hence i'll advise you guys to go to a lot more seminars and talk to as many people as possible. Who knows? you'll find someone who likes you and be willing to guide you along? That worked for me!
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  • Profile picture of the author JFrenty
    Originally Posted by ckbank View Post

    Basically, I am not a complete newb, but from the looks of it, people who succeed in IM are the ones who found mentors. Where does one find a mentor for free?
    I think people who can really teach you valuable things will not do it for free. If you are after free stuff, then just search the forum for specific answers using your key phrases.
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