Why I Hate Squeeze Pages

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If you are in the realm of niche marketing online I'm certain by now you've heard "the money is in the list". What if I told you that is 100% backwards and simple mathematics dictates more research.

Now before you think I'm crazy because this is so contrarian its not when you just put paper to pen, and realize that the a one-size-fits-all approach is not realistic, honest, or from someone who actually does this for a living and does not make a living selling theory.

Here's your shocker for the day which only makes sense: The Money Is In the Sale and in your buyers list

I've sold a few of my products in different niches and split tested results between opt-ins to direct sales copy and I can tell you the answer is not so cut and dry.

So here's pen to paper math to help you understand whether or not you should use a squeeze page:

1st Figure out your goal before you sell something: is the sale solely to build a list? Is it to make some money? What's your price point? Do you have back-end funnels set-up that will properly monetize the list?

2nd How do you plan on building the list? Paid traffic or through free methods?

Once you've figured out how you want to approach this there are more considerations:

What's your cost per opt-in vs your cost per customer acquistion? Do you have the time/experience/know-how to do effective split-testing on 2 levels? What I mean by that is you have to know how to optimize your conversion, first to your squeeze page, and second to your sales page.

So why am I so "blah" against squeeze pages? Well first of all I'm not against them, I use them, but in many or most cases they hinder your success without realizing that by making more sales through a direct sales copy you are creating a bigger buyer's list which is worth 10-30 times the value of an opt-in.

HERE'S THE MATH...

Let's say you were selling X product for $27 and were paying 50 cents per click to a squeeze. Well cold traffic converts at about 5-20% on the squeeze page depending on how passionate the niche is, and second if the page is optimized correctly. In some niches a properly optimized squeeze page might convert at a lousy 10% (they don't tell you that when they teach you about their 60% opt-in rates with warm traffic).

Ok, so it's costing you $5 per opt-in on your list and what % of those people will buy? Statistics show about 6-8% at best and 2-5% if you're decent and 1-3% if your poor and obviously 0% if you stink like a dog.

Now a good sales page can convert at 1-4% with 100% of the traffic seeing your sales message where you make money. Let's assume you can get a 20% opt-in rate, and a 5% conversion from the list from cold traffic... well that puts you at the bottom of how well your sales letter should convert at 1%.

So Why In the World Would You Put All That Time Into Creating a List?

Well there are good reasons for doing so, let me defend the notorious squeeze page.

Let's say you were selling a $200 product, and you knew the odds of you converting them from cold traffic was .5-1% and the lower conversion numbers is only because of the higher price point and you really optimized the sales page, well the $5 opt-in isn't end of the world shattering because if you could convert 5% you could double your money right out of the gate.

This is how world-class marketers make their money with high end products, and for them $2-5 opt-ins are a great deal because they understand the value of each opt-in because they have metrics for the lifetime value of each customers, how well their list converts, and how well their sales copy does.

This was much easier to do 5 years ago, and the marketers of 5 years ago have a huge leg up on anyone today who is trying to use cold traffic because they got the traffic when it was cheaper and easier to get to run their studies and metrics as they fine-tuned the process and grew with the changes to Google PPC and their quality score changes.

More than likely you don't have those deep pockets, and even if you do you want to tread lightly before shelling out more cash for advertising.

You should also use a squeeze page if you are doing adswaps, or solo ad email advertising... other than that not really. You should ALWAYS have an opt-in on your blog if you chose to have one. Also, list creation is a must for CPA marketers who want to send one offer after the other.

I'm not talking saying doing a squeeze is always wrong, it's just way over-rated...

The solution is to perfect one thing at a time and make money with a positive cash flow before you even attempt to go to the next level. That means perfecting your sales letter is infinitesimally more important than perfecting your squeeze page, and it means you are focusing on creating a buyers list vs an opt-in list which has much more value.

Lastly, focusing on the most important aspects to your business (sales and a buyers list) is best accomplished through simplicity and taking out as a many barriers to the person who wants to buy to your offer. Focus on making sales and creating a buyers list before you even attempt to squeeze. Testing too much at once is for the guys with 5 figure budgets to test out on each project.

I want you to get to that point of 5 figure testing, but you can't just get there by focusing on squeeze pages at the beginning of your fun quest.

Let me know what your thoughts are and your previous experiences, I'd love to hear them.
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  • Profile picture of the author GerryMedia
    I've never thought about it like that before. That's something which makes sense, but I've never seen in it those terms before. I do have a question though... what do you say to people who run squeeze pages to warm traffic instead of cold traffic?
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    • Profile picture of the author MichaelYoung
      Originally Posted by GerryMedia View Post

      I've never thought about it like that before. That's something which makes sense, but I've never seen in it those terms before. I do have a question though... what do you say to people who run squeeze pages to warm traffic instead of cold traffic?
      My answer would be the same as Lana's concern which is that with warm traffic you do want to run all warm traffic to a squeeze if you can. I mean if you are paying for a solo ad definitely run that traffic to a squeeze page.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lana Hampton
    Great post. You had me worried until you stated to use squeeze pages for solo ads, which is exactly what I do.
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    • Profile picture of the author MediumExchange
      Is there any way to combine the two? Say make a sales page and then grab the customers information when they buy? Is there any way to do this with affiliate marketing?
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      • Profile picture of the author MichaelYoung
        Originally Posted by MediumExchange View Post

        Is there any way to combine the two? Say make a sales page and then grab the customers information when they buy? Is there any way to do this with affiliate marketing?
        Well when they buy you want to create a list. That list is worth a lot more and when people pay they pay attention.

        The way you combine affiliate marketing with creating a list is with cblistautomator. Here's the link: CBListAutomator: Automated List Builder and Bonus Delivery System

        That is not an affiliate link that's just my own personal suggestion if you want to create a buyer's list as an affiliate.
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        • Profile picture of the author Samujaol
          Good but there is different approach as regards individual, what work for you may be the interest of others, if that work well for you fine, i still have confidence in squeeze page and if combining the two methods as you mention on sale page work, i think one can give it a trial.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chadleystar
    Interesting post thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author J Bold
    Michael, did you ever think squeeze pages hate you?

    Great post, bud, you're one smart cookie!

    I think freebie lists aren't as valuable as they used to be. But if you are an awesome squeeze page conversion specialist and have an awesome autoresponder sequence set up for a high converting, high ticket product it can definitely be worth it. Just all about testing and skill...
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    • Profile picture of the author MichaelYoung
      Originally Posted by J Bold View Post

      Michael, did you ever think squeeze pages hate you?

      Great post, bud, you're one smart cookie!

      I think freebie lists aren't as valuable as they used to be. But if you are an awesome squeeze page conversion specialist and have an awesome autoresponder sequence set up for a high converting, high ticket product it can definitely be worth it. Just all about testing and skill...
      You know everyone hates me J Bold. I don't know how my wife even stays married to me.

      Freebie lists aren't as valuable, but do provide value if you have really worked on how to build a relationship as soon as possible.

      And yes, it's all about testing and skill. Both things are easily learnable. Skill is an acquired talent, not an infused one.
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    • Profile picture of the author Lokahi
      Originally Posted by J Bold View Post

      Michael, did you ever think squeeze pages hate you?

      Great post, bud, you're one smart cookie!

      I think freebie lists aren't as valuable as they used to be. But if you are an awesome squeeze page conversion specialist and have an awesome autoresponder sequence set up for a high converting, high ticket product it can definitely be worth it. Just all about testing and skill...
      Freebie seekers abound! And, most freebie seekers will just grab the freebie and hit the spam button or unsubscribe to emails. You need someone who is really interested in your niche and wants to actually hear more.
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  • Profile picture of the author MichaelYoung
    Hey Sam,

    I don't think I was saying that squeeze pages are bad or that you shouldn't combine sales page with a squeeze page. My point was that testing a good squeeze page and then testing a good sales page many times is not a good idea for most marketers and it's best to focus on the sales page before you even think of a squeeze page.

    To find a good squeeze page might take you 4 times to split test it if you are pretty good at it. I would say the same for a sales page.

    That means you aren't sure what 1/16ths combination is best unless you focused on one thing at a time.

    A sales page has a lot of factors to see what is best:
    Is it the layout? Is it the headline? Headline color? Adding a video? Delaying the content on a video sales page? Showing the price? Changing the guarantee?

    I've seen the metrics on different niches for squeezes and they are great for warm traffic, but horrible for cold traffic, but even with warm traffic if you are going to test just remember: what converts into sales is the ultimate metric for success and only metric that I care about.

    If it means creating a squeeze page list fine, but what should be your focus: squeeze or sale? Figure out the sale and then figure out your squeeze.
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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    I have free lists and buyer lists, and hands down, buyer lists are worth at least 10-times the free lists.

    In the end, a squeeze page only works when a prospect wants to be on your list. Until then, you are simply peeing into the wind.
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  • Profile picture of the author headmaster211
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    When you are building a business for the long term, a list is a very powerful resource to make profits. Also, your list always remains with you. No matter its Panda or Penguin.
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  • Profile picture of the author AndrewStark
    Hi Michael

    It's the way that people are being taught how to set up squeezepages at the moment that sucks.

    When I see a page with blind salescopy and no method of identifying the list owner / programme behind the page I close the browser and try to predict how many pop-ups will appear - the record I've seen is 5!

    All my squeezepages are very simple, they have a headline, a few bullet points explaining what the lead magnet is, and then an opt-in form and a picture of me. These may not convert as well on the front end as a hyped up salespage, but I know that my double opt-in rate is high and I stand a better chance of become an expert / friend of the visitor than the people who are just selling and going for the churn & burn method of marketing taught by so many.

    Like you say it's important to think about the long term goal and the marketing funnel before you even create the page.
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  • Profile picture of the author samkap
    Squeeze pages have been a very very good friend to my full time IM business
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  • Profile picture of the author sammib01
    Great analysis. It is well thoughtout, however most people do it in the most inexpensive way possible which creates a different problem.... You know. Good info food for thought, thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author MichaelYoung
    Yeah, I'm not saying that building a list is bad, in fact this is about list building, what I'm saying is that everyone's focus should be on a buyers list more than a freebie list because there is a lot less testing and a lot more execution on conversion to sales which is a much better list to monetize long term.

    The overall point is that figuring how to best split test a squeeze page for conversion, then figure out the best sales page for conversion leads to a lot of variables that are simplified when you focus on one thing at a time perfect that and move on.

    If you have mastered your sales funnel, back-end funnel, email auto-responder funnel then by all means have at it. I'm just giving you the faster, easier way to success.
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  • Profile picture of the author Freddie Crossberg
    Michael,

    Great post. I was searching for exactly this info as I am about to spend money on direct marketing offline (postcards), which runs about $1000 for a small test, so I wanted to be certain to get the most bang for my buck. Warrior Forum to the rescue again

    My gut told me to drop the squeeze page, send the traffic directly to the offer via the postcard and then optimize the sales page, which is exactly what your numbers show to be more effective. I sell a higher priced product ($667) to a niche market.

    I might consider an "exit-pop" to recycle non-buyer traffic and redirect them to a discount offer, but I am still deciding as I wait for the list from the broker.

    Thanks for taking the time to post something useful, it is appreciated.

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      Lol, I have purchased you latest wso and you mentioned this thread in it. Hats off to you Dude
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        Originally Posted by themanflint View Post

        Lol, I have purchased you latest wso and you mentioned this thread in it. Hats off to you Dude
        Definitely showing how to use these threads to your advantage is the biggest take away!!! Nice!
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  • Profile picture of the author Nathan251
    squeeze pages are over-rated but they are easy and are relatively effective

    I neither hate nor love them, I just realise that they are another way to reach your intended buyer but yes I'd imagine there are certainly more effective method

    I am still learning the trade and testing, testing, testing everything
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  • Fact: Squeeze Pages are the fastest way to get people into your Sales Funnel. They rise opt-ins like no other method. We all agree on this, right?

    Assuming average numbers (25% opt-in rate for an average Squeeze Page, and 0.5% to 1% sales rate for an average Sales Page), you will be adding leads at a 25 to 50 times faster pace into your Sales Funnel via a Squeeze Page than a Sales Page.

    Sure, leads via Sales Pages (customers) are far more valuable than leads via Squeeze Page (prospects), but Internet Marketing is mostly a number's game, and *if* your Sales Funnel is properly crafted and optimized, you're better off going for quantity (prospects) over quality (customers). Your Sales Funnel will be converting prospects into customers, and then some more. Again, this is assuming you know how to implement Sales Funnels properly (which is the key to this whole debate).

    And yes, I've split-tested that.
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  • Profile picture of the author JudyKarmann
    Fantastic post and lots of useful tips!
    Originally Posted by MichaelYoung View Post

    The solution is to perfect one thing at a time and make money with a positive cash flow before you even attempt to go to the next level. That means perfecting your sales letter is infinitesimally more important than perfecting your squeeze page, and it means you are focusing on creating a buyers list vs an opt-in list which has much more value.
    Totally agree with this. It pays to always start small from the most important things and take them to perfection instead of quickly going broader and wondering why it doesn't work!
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  • Profile picture of the author brookman12
    Why not use a squeeze and then have it going to a one time offer sales page so that way your customer is going to both and you will still have them on your list if they dont buy from the sales page
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  • Profile picture of the author Katie Rich
    I'll throw my email in to get a look at a free report, but if there is even one exit pop up they have lost me.
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    • Profile picture of the author heavyjay
      Originally Posted by Katie Rich View Post

      I'll throw my email in to get a look at a free report, but if there is even one exit pop up they have lost me.
      +1

      I counted 8 one time. I guess I don't have to tell you what I did as soon as I was able to get off the page.
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  • Profile picture of the author Deepak Media
    by making more sales through a direct sales copy you are creating a bigger buyer’s list which is worth 10-30 times the value of an opt-in.
    I cannot agree with you. If you are sending traffic directly to sales page and you are getting x% of conversion, then you can get (x+y)% conversion by sending them to a squeeze page, communicating via followups, pre-selling and then selling.

    It may have worked in your niche, but there is no way you can generalize the concept.

    Statistics show about 6-8% at best and 2-5% if you’re decent and 1-3% if your poor and obviously 0% if you stink like a dog.
    Source?

    Now a good sales page can convert at 1-4% with 100% of the traffic seeing your sales message where you make money.
    May be from your experience. But there are niches where you won't get 0.5% conversion.

    That means perfecting your sales letter is infinitesimally more important than perfecting your squeeze page, and it means you are focusing on creating a buyers list vs an opt-in list which has much more value.
    I agree that a buyers list is more valuable.
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  • Profile picture of the author Cool Hand Luke
    Holy word fort... not gonna read that whole thing, especially since it's entire premise is flawed and the "math" quoted is based on the assumption that your squeeze page has a REALLY bad opt-in rate.

    To be clear, the assertion of the OP is hardly a new opinion or strategy, nor it is entirely valid.

    While a buyer's list is generally easier to monetize than a list of non-buyers, that does NOT mean that a list of people who haven't bought YET is not a potential goldmine, and it DOESN'T mean that they are "freebie-seekers" who will never buy...quite the contrary.

    What you should do after a prospect opts in to your list is message them with well-written, value-laced copy, spaced at tested intervals, with all messages subtly hinting at or building up to the sale. This is a time-tested, proven strategy that only fails if your copy is bad or your offer isn't enticing.

    This is one of the best ways to turn people into buyers.


    Yes, a buyer's list is a great thing, but the fact of the matter is that knowing how to service and sell to a list of people who haven't bought yet is KEY if you want to have success in our industry.
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  • Profile picture of the author johnorc
    Next great post from Great marketer. Your posts always include a lots of valuable information, thank you Richard.
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    • Profile picture of the author blackhawkup
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      To the OP, I couldn't disagree with you more! You are totally wrong.
      The worst thing a struggling newbie could do is send traffic directly to a sales page.

      If it is their own personal sales page the copy more than likely wont be able to convert prospects into subscribers. so you're losing here.

      If they send traffic to directly to an affiliate offer then they are missing out on what (in my case at least) is the greatest asset an internet marketer could have -- The list.

      Tip: If you're new, please realize that you need to build your list. This is a numbers game -- and your job is to increase all of your numbers consistently over time.

      split test everything>>increased opt-ins>>increased email open rates>>increased sales

      of course thats very vague and general but if you focus on increasing your numbers you'll be fine.

      build your list.
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      • Profile picture of the author RogueOne
        Originally Posted by Rich Jackson View Post

        The worst thing a struggling newbie could do is send traffic directly to a sales page.
        I agree.

        A bunch of numbers pulled out of thin air don't mean anything.

        If someone makes a statement that totally contradicts what all the veterans are telling you, then I would be very careful about listening to said someone.
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  • Profile picture of the author MichaelYoung
    Ask yourself why the vast majority of big sales come without being squeezed then? Ask Mike Geary why he doesn't squeeze first on his product or why most huge sites that go for direct sales don't squeeze?

    This isn't 2006 so squeezing is not what it used to be.

    It's alright if you didn't read the whole post. I'm not saying squeezes are bad, or not to use them. I use them all the time. I'm saying it hurts most people's productivity to make sales overall without first perfecting your sales page and you lose 40-90% of people who would never see your sales letter.

    Mike Geary in particular said having a squeeze cut down his conversions in half so he had to make a choice... wait potentially to break even from that loss in 3-6 months or go for the sale.

    There is a reason why most people fail... they follow ordinary advice. Most people would be better off perfecting their sales letter 1st then working on their squeeze page 2nd.
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    • Profile picture of the author robo916
      Correct me if I'm wrong Michael, but that product you posted earlier is basically the same thing as a squeeze page it just collects the customers info AFTER they have purchased instead of before correct? So a list is still being built but just only of people who have bought...

      So the question is...

      Is it better to get their info first and soft sell them into a hard sell....

      or is it better to show them the awesome sales page and hope that does the selling for you and then after they buy, "oh by the way, join my list to get this free gift"
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  • Profile picture of the author paul nicholls
    Mike geary gets 98% of his traffic from affiliates so he doesn`t have to worry about trying to convert that traffic into paying customers unless it`s for the little traffic which he generates from places like his blog

    He relies on volume each and every day, and because of that he is going to make sales no matter what

    When you have to generate all of your traffic yourself it`s a different story because most people want to make the most of their time rather just send all traffic to a sales page

    The thing about using a squeeze page is you are getting the best of both worlds

    You can still make tonnes of sales up front on your OTO

    and.. you still get their name and email so you can follow up if they don`t buy

    Sending all traffic direct to a sales page is easy peasy, this is what probably around 95% of affiliates do because it`s easier and less brain taxing

    The few percent that bother to build a list and to test, tweak and track their numbers are killing it

    The key to creating a super profitable funnel is using email marketing to it`s full potential

    Most people suck at email marketing so this is why most people don`t get to reach their full potential when generating sales through their follow ups

    The squeeze page vs sales page debate will always be going on because it comes down to some people are great at creating a high converting funnel with follow ups and others don`t have a clue and will probably make more sales from sending traffic direct to their sales page because other wise when they use a squeeze page and follow up they may do more damage than good and actually end up losing sales

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  • Profile picture of the author IMMer1975
    This is a really interesting thread. In part because I made what I thought was a newbie mistake just this week, but it turned out ok...and it raised largely the same issue.

    I used a solo ad to attract traffic to my site where I was giving away a free download of my software. The thing is, the solo ad was sending them directly to my "sales" page (I use the term "Sales" loosely because it is a free download). The ad provider "warned" me that it should go to a squeeze page, not the sales page. The problem was that I couldn't determine what would the squeeze be...I mean, I have one page that gives all the details of the product and you can choose to download it or not. Keep in mind that I'm a newbie so I am not speaking to the pro's and con's of either approach, just what I did.

    Solo ad ran yesterday and I had about an 11% conversion...meaning 11% decided read my long sales page and proceed to download the product. I am hopeful that these are quality leads - but seems somehow in between being a free opt-in type list and a buyer list.

    Regardless, I think OP makes a interesting point generally and that is sometimes it's good to challenge the status quo. It may or may not work for you but there is merit in trying and testing.
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  • Profile picture of the author MKCookins
    Thank you for this interesting post Michael!

    I believe building your list is still a better outcome, Like Paul said, unless you have many affiliates marketing for you.
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  • Profile picture of the author realestate1022
    "The solution is to perfect one thing at a time and make money with a positive cash flow before you even attempt to go to the next level. That means perfecting your sales letter is infinitesimally more important than perfecting your squeeze page, and it means you are focusing on creating a buyers list vs an opt-in list which has much more value."

    I agree with your point in perfecting the sales page. It would be less competition for me if I stayed mum about more positives about squeeze pages. Take the offline world. If you've ever created web pages for small businesses it is at times a nightmare and very time consuming. To make matters worse, 98% of them are brochures which does very little to increase ROI for the businesses. I've found that creating squeeze pages for them is 1) quick 2) higher ROI for business 3)way to start a list to build relationship with their clients 4) no quibbling with employees, relatives 5) no hurt feelings 6) no headaches.

    As you pointed out, 1-4% people buy after giving you their email and landing on your sales page. Do you really want to stop there? Why not have an entire series of interesting and persuasive emails all catered to their actions (did they open your email, did they click on a link in your email etc)? They might not buy from you today but who is to say they won't in a week or month or three months.

    Another thing to consider. Do you really only have one product or service? There is so much more value you can offer the people on the list than one thing. If you are really looking out for your clients, they deserve to at least hear about complimentary products/services (ie that go along with what you sell).
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    Finally... a marketer who loves math. Great post dude.
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    • Originally Posted by Randall Magwood View Post

      Finally... a marketer who loves math. Great post dude.
      Not really, since his "maths" are pulled out of thin air.

      In one hand, he says that a Squeeze Page coverts at 5% to 20% (which is poor) and in the other hand he says that a Sales Page converts at 1% to 4% (which is good to stellar, depending on the product price).

      So basically he has skewed the numbers to fit his theory.
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      • Profile picture of the author MichaelYoung
        Originally Posted by Anonymous Affiliate View Post

        Not really, since his "maths" are pulled out of thin air.

        In one hand, he says that a Squeeze Page coverts at 5% to 20% (which is poor) and in the other hand he says that a Sales Page converts at 1% to 4% (which is good to stellar, depending on the product price).

        So basically he has skewed the numbers to fit his theory.
        Cold traffic 5-20% is accurate if you have any experience whatsoever.

        Getting a sales page to convert at 1-4% is highly possible, but you would never know that unless you tested it would you?

        If I'm wrong tell me all the things I would test on the sales page and tell me about my "maths". I'll wait, because my guess you could never guess half the things I change on a sales page to get to convert higher.
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  • Profile picture of the author mrelk159
    Really interesting share, I actually never thought about it like that, this can information can definitely be used.
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  • Profile picture of the author paul nicholls
    Originally Posted by MichaelYoung View Post


    Well cold traffic converts at about 5-20% on the squeeze page depending on how passionate the niche is, and second if the page is optimized correctly. In some niches a properly optimized squeeze page might convert at a lousy 10% (they don't tell you that when they teach you about their 60% opt-in rates with warm traffic).
    If i created a squeeze page which converted at between 5% - 20% i think i would cry :-)

    even in other niches i would only ever see a 20% squeeze page conversion if it was absolutely terrible

    your entitled to your opinion though micheal that`s cool :-)

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    • Profile picture of the author MichaelYoung
      Originally Posted by paul nicholls View Post

      If i created a squeeze page which converted at between 5% - 20% i think i would cry :-)

      even in other niches i would only ever see a 20% squeeze page conversion if it was absolutely terrible

      your entitled to your opinion though micheal that`s cool :-)

      Paul
      Paul my guess is you've never done cold traffic before. A GOOD converting squeeze page is 10% off cold traffic. It's typical to get 5%. You are also dead wrong about Mike Geary. He runs media buys. He's a professional media buyer so it's not just about directing affiliates.

      He also runs the traffic for Benton Publishing, go look at their squeeze pages, they are called "non-existent".

      My second guess is you are used to solo ad conversions, which is not the same thing as cold traffic.

      I've run and still run cold traffic in 4 different ways and the conversion is about 10% on a good day, usually around 5-8%.

      But let's say you get 30% opt-ins from solo ads. Unless you have a good chain of emails that brings them to your offer you'll convert 5% of them.

      That's a conversion rate of 1.5%.

      With cold traffic it's 10% on a great day, about 5-8% usually. Now do the same 5% conversion and you're at .5% conversion at BEST. And that's fine if you want to make money in the long-haul, but this is NOT a good idea for others who have their own offer and want to test their sales page.

      FOR MOST PEOPLE who have their own offer and want to monetize it you are better off getting traffic to your offer and perfecting your sales funnel. I've clearly stated that running a squeeze off a solo-ad or email drop is the right thing to do, but not for those who have their own offer and they're starting off.

      Now if you're only goal was to hit them with different offers as an affiliate I could see this making sense.

      But if you think I'm wrong I'll pose a challenge to you, you run Tracking 202 to your site and run $50 worth of Facebook ads (with a voucher) and you show your opt-in results. If you're squeeze converts better than 15% let me know.

      A little hint... and I've been doing this stuff for a while for a lot of people... it's not going to happen.
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    • Profile picture of the author johnnys229
      Originally Posted by paul nicholls View Post

      If i created a squeeze page which converted at between 5% - 20% i think i would cry :-)

      Paul
      But if it was cold traffic (PPC, banner ad traffic) there would be nothing wrong with 20%, which would be at the very top end of the scale for that kind of traffic. I think 5% opt-in rate on media buys, for example, needs to be improved, if it can't be improved but other sites are getting 15-20% opt-in rates with the same squeeze page, just cut that site off.

      I'm not sure myself about sending direct to a sales page though, it's all about the maths really and will depend on your traffic costs, offer etc.
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    • Profile picture of the author MichaelYoung
      Originally Posted by DougBarger View Post

      If your squeeze page is converting that low, you've done something wrong.
      That's completely normal for cold traffic. Ask anyone who runs huge amount of cold traffic. 10% is when you are good. 20% is ninja levels, and 5-8% is normal.

      I have a squeeze that converted at 81% and I can assure you it has nothing to do with cold traffic.
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  • Profile picture of the author befree22
    Doesn't the squeeze page presell them on your offer?
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  • Profile picture of the author sal64
    Nice thread folks... carry on.

    There is a huge debate over this.

    A free report will presell them, but then again it can attract too many freegans which never buy anything. So are we attracting the right prospect?

    For mine, good copy trumps all. No point having a list of 10,000 if your copy sucks and does not convert.

    I guess it's horses for courses and what you are promoting and where you are promoting it.
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  • Profile picture of the author TrafficBot
    Great post as I thought about this very same thing a few months ago. I use several squeeze pages for various products which receive about 5-10 opt-ins a day. However, I have a very atrocious open rate(7%) when I do follow-up with these opt-ins. Can anyone else share their open rates?
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  • Profile picture of the author resz
    In my opinion freebie lists aren't as helpful as they had previously been. But in the case you have great squeeze page set up for a high converting, high ticket product it can definitely be worth it. Just all about testing and skill...
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve L
    I agree wholeheartedly with the OP.
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