People said that 95% of most people who tried Internet Marketing failed.

Scott Ames

15 years ago

Why so cheerful and positive today?

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yves

15 years ago

Stooooooop! The last thing I need is more reason to procrastinate

. More than 5% must be making money. Just have a look in Elance and see how many people are willing to pay big $$$ for articles etc. Plus, even I have made some money and I am useless at it.

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Clark

15 years ago

5 out of 4 people don't know fractions.

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forous

15 years ago

Some will stay and some will go. this is not for everybody.
Most of the people who quit believes the hip and thinks
there is no work involve and it take time.
They don't have a plan and they are not consistent.

So some will, some won't so what.

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jasonl70

15 years ago

1 assumption you are making here - that everyone in IM is trying to sell 'how to make money online' - is not even true.

that only leaves #2 & #3 really...

nothing wrong with #2, and #3 is just plain silly.

well, let's touch on #1 - are you telling me that the only successfull marketers are those who successfully convince people to buy their product?? wow.. who'd-a-thunk

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Chris Monty

15 years ago

Originally Posted by jasonl70

1 assumption you are making here - that everyone in IM is trying to sell 'how to make money online' - is not even true.

that only leaves #2 & #3 really...

nothing wrong with #2, and #3 is just plain silly.

well, let's touch on #1 - are you telling me that the only successfull marketers are those who successfully convince people to buy their product?? wow.. who'd-a-thunk

Yes, that's very true actually. There are lots of other niches yet to be conquered, but the ones making money in the "make money online" niche are the ones making money selling the "make money online" books.

OK, I think I just fried a synapse.

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meldave

15 years ago

Hey, good comic relief there Clark. Math, didn't know you could get laughs there. Learn something new all the time.

David

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Brawnydt 15 years ago

Well they say that "all marketers are liars." So I can't deny what you are saying.

I prefer to make money with adsense, that way I don't have to sell crap to unsuspecting people. I also refuse to get into the whole MMO niche, since that is overly saturated and as you say, full of land mines.

I'm sure there are a good number of legitimate marketers out there who aren't in the MMO field. It baffles me why all the newbies try to hit up the single most difficult niche to make money in on the internet for their first project.
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Clark

15 years ago

Actually, I think 100% of people who have tried internet marketing have failed and failed quite often.

The difference is that they didn't give up, learned from their experiences, tested, tracked and tweaked until their efforts yielded positive results then went on to fail again only to repeat the pattern of successful discovery.

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CBGCash

15 years ago

I've been thinking about lying, ethics, etc regarding online marketing.

I'm very sure that a lot of the testimonials, screenshots, and stuff like that are fake. So does that mean that most of us in this business are immoral and unethical?

Hmm.. I'm afraid the answer is quite obvious: Yes, it does mean that!

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Jonathan 2.0

Banned 15 years ago

Originally Posted by CBGCash

I've been thinking about lying, ethics, etc regarding online marketing.

I'm very sure that a lot of the testimonials, screenshots, and stuff like that are fake. So does that mean that most of us in this business are immoral and unethical?

Hmm.. I'm afraid the answer is quite obvious: Yes, it does mean that!

Just because a few people practice unethical techniques doesn't mean that other people are immoral and unethical. From what I can gather the majority of people on this forum are good honest people. (And when they're not they often get found out.) I think that fake testimonials and the like are the exception and not the rule and you can't bundle in good ethical people with the crooks.

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James12C

15 years ago

Ipnow - what did you eat for breakfast today?!! Those that can, make money on the web; those that don't post stuff like yours!!

PS Note that I said, dont't, not can't.

PPS (BTW - I almost always mistrust someone who says, 'Trust me....' !

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WinsonYeung

15 years ago

They who fail is because they fail themselves in not giving up

Anyway, I once thought about blackhat method but I gave up on that eventually, not worth

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Jonathan 2.0 Banned 15 years ago

If you want to be in the top percentage of people who succeed at web marketing (and life) all you have to do is keep going. The reason why many people don't succeed is because they give up too soon. When you get up one more time than you fail success is guaranteed.

And isn't this what makes life so exciting?

Personally I wouldn't want success to be easy because I enjoy accomplishing challenging goals. There's nothing like a difficult and challenging pursuit to put a lively and passionate glimmer in your eyes. The more you fail the more you learn. And the more you learn the more you succeed.

Remember to learn from your mistakes, setbacks, challenges, and failures because they can be your greatest teacher. You weren't born to be a statistic. You were born to succeed. So relish the marvellous challenge that is web marketing (and life).
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ExRat 15 years ago

Hi,

Threads like this always bring out some classics.

Brawnydt,

Well they say that "all marketers are liars." So I can't deny what you are saying.

Who are they? Seth Godin?

He's a...ummm...marketer! You can't deny what IPnow said because one marketer made a book with an excellent, attention-grabbing title? What a way to find the truth.

I prefer to make money with adsense, that way I don't have to sell crap to unsuspecting people.

Of course. Just by being paid less, and by being a go between, between the marketer and customer, you are absolved of all blame.

EG -

I didn't want to become a prostitute, because it goes against my ethical beliefs.

I solved this by becoming a pimp instead.

See no evil....

IPnow,

People said that 95% of most people who tried Internet Marketing failed.

95% of most? Who are these people that go around saying these things?
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jayden.fellze

15 years ago

I think the assumptions can be true for some reasons. people just ditch to the fact that they can become millionaires when they have online business. this false hope bring nightmares for that 95%.

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topnotchservices

15 years ago

The mmo niche is a mystery to me.

Everyone syas that it is the most difficult niche and yet everyone wants to get in it which suggests that either someone is lying about how difficult it is or people are just pig headed.

I myself sold a few items to the MMO niche and fot more sales thatn items i wanted to sell in the health niche.

Is the health niche more saturated than the MMO niche or is it that most people who want to mmo, will actually spend money on anything that looks like it can make them a buck or two

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neat123

15 years ago

I am just starting and I am not a person that gives up easily, so perhaps I will make this work and be in the 5% that actually make it work. Who knows, no one til they honestly try.

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Michael Motley

15 years ago

'failing' is a matter of perspective.

If you mean 'failing' and you are using the images that the 'gurus' put up to go by, as in living on an island with a yacht and a porche in every room of the house, then yeah, i guess i'm failing. But if your talking about paying my bills with money i'm making on my pc with very little effort, while my friends sweat whether or not their job at their cube farm is safe, then i'm doing ok

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talfighel

15 years ago

There are a LOT of people who start in IM and fail in their first year. Some quit after a month and never come back. If you can just find the right opportunity and never give up, you chances of success increases a lot.

The only way to fail online is when you quit. Those who keep failing over and over and over and over and over and over again and still keep going SUCCEED at the end.

Tal

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Tina Golden 15 years ago

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- Michael Motley 15 years ago
  
  and p.s.
  
  Marketers are not scammers, they are marketers. People who call marketers 'scammers' are people that believe anything that is said to them. I'll be the first to say that marketing is a little bit about 'bending reality'.
  
  Not lieing, just tactical exclusion of certain realitistic information.
  
  Marketing guys tell you what you want to hear. that you can make millions of dollars in 20 minutes, from a hot tub, on an island. And technically its true, they just leave out the part (or you do in your mind) about the work that HAS to go into any endeavour like that.
  
  So i guess its not so much that marketing guys are liars, they tell you the high points of an offer and do so in such a way that your mind fills in the rest with things that may or may not be realistic. Then when reality shows up and you dont make money in 20 minutes from the back of your hummer on the way to your mansion, everyone wants to blame the guy that sold it to them, not the guy that didnt really put out all the work or wanted it instantly.
  
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Matt Hoey

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Ipnow

Because the 95% of the 5% successful people are;

1. Good Liars. Good at typing sales letter that telling people there will be no tomorrow if you don't get it now.

2. Those who successfully entice newbies to enter their email to get free stuff. That free stuff is filled with affiliate links mines. Use the email list later to send more affiliate links.

3. Good spammers. Spams everywhere to get the peoples attention.

4. Successfully tells lies about how to make millions overnight. The sales letter is of very high quality entertainment value complete with half a page of earning Disclaimer, Terms & conditions.

5. Very good at using photoshop to edit anything including account/cheque/paypal screenshots.

Trust me only 5% of the 5% successful people are genuine successful internet marketer who do the works honestly, diligently, persistently.

k.Go. Deny that or add more to my list.

Go here

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...-research.html

My thread, full of good info, i didn't just "lie".

I also work 8.30am - 5.30pm for a brick and mortar web design company that makes businesses successful online.

Is that proof enough?

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AlfredKo 15 years ago

LOL i like your #5.
Indeed a screenshot can be edited in few clicks.
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Michael Motley

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Razer Rage

Of course, making a product like that would be considered unethical, in my opinion. If you're going to make a big promise about your product, make sure it can live up to that promise.

These days though, I doubt very many people would buy a product that promised millions in 20 minutes in a hot tub. People are more savvy now then they were 10 years ago.

Sure they do. Look at how many people get sucked into programs that show you pictures of a guy sitting on a ferrari in ifront of a huge mansion..etc. Its not his car, his house or anything else and the only reason he's 'rich' is because you bought this image

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vvv12

15 years ago

It seems that there are money online but as in anywhere you have the stars who are excellent, aggressive and persistent at what they are doing and others who are struggling, not as motivated and can give up now, especially during the credit crunch.

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Bjarne Eldhuset 15 years ago

95% of most people is below their nose. But it's how you use the 5% on top that counts.
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Rod Cortez

15 years ago

I'm always up for a good laugh in the morning. Actually, most online marketers do NOT sell "how-to-make-money" products and services, they are actually a small minority. Secondly, there is no real way to empirically prove that 95% of the people that try internet marketing fail. Some people use statistics provided by the IRS, I've seen stats from research firms like Jupiter or Forrester, and their numbers are all over the place.

RoD

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