1 year online and only 1 affiliate sale..

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So I have been working on my first site/niche and have come to a point where I need to decide to keep chugging or dump the site..

The site is demodecticmangetreatment.com and I have a list of 101 people and so far have made 1 sale...

I have 15 followup messages setup and get about 25% open rate.. Im getting hops but not many sales..

Also my traffic has decreased to about one person a day due to the penguin update, Im no expert Im just asking for some help otherwise Im likly to give up..

Please warrior forum let me know what it is I am likly doing wrong so I can increase my sales.. Thanks and god bless...
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  • Profile picture of the author mlord10
    Hi Essex14,

    I think one of the primary things we will need to know before attempting to diagnose your problem is this...exactly what are you selling?

    Is it an ebook, video series, or more along the lines of a cream/ointment/shampoo treatment?
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  • Profile picture of the author elexmedia
    I think instead of using SEO to get traffic, you should try PPC/ Media Buying. You don't need to wait for months to get results. PPC can bring you traffic in short time. And if the traffic is targeted enough, you can make sales in the first day.

    Also your sales page is very thin/ short, and not convincing enough. Just look at other successful competitors that is in 'demodectic mange' niche, and copy their sales page in detail.
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    • Profile picture of the author maxpoweraff
      It might be the product your promoting. Its probably a tough niche with not many product options but maybe you should see if there is anything else out there you can promote. Mix up the products, all people have different interests.
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  • Profile picture of the author DotComBum
    Are you selling your own product or selling affiliate product?
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    • Profile picture of the author fin
      I think your headline and optin box are the wrong colors. Too dark.

      I think your picture is too small.

      I'm not a copywriter and have no idea about the words.
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  • Profile picture of the author essex14
    Ok guys and gals thanks for your replys, I am interested in selling affiliate products such as this one... dogskinsolutions.com/ it seems to fit the niche until I create my own ebook..

    I am not the best copy writer or writer in general but my aim is to build a list...build relationship and convince the sale...

    I have experienced the problems people face in the niche so I can relate to my subscribers.... Maybe I should pay for a massive amount of traffic to get all of the numbers together...(coversion rates).. Thanks everyone and keep the suggestions coming...
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  • Profile picture of the author elexmedia
    I am not the best copy writer or writer in general but my aim is to build a list...build relationship and convince the sale...
    If you want to build list, you better to use Solo Ads rather than SEO. Unlike SEO which needs time, Solo Ads could give you opt-ins in short time. The problem is I don't know whether there are Solo for Dog Skin niche. Maybe you could create a new thread to ask about that kind of Solo.

    Also, you can use BuySellAds. With BSA, you can find easily websites that related with your niche. Just advertise on those sites, you will get targeted traffic that will convert into opt-in and sales.
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  • Profile picture of the author essex14
    Ok i pretty fed up with seo and have come to the conclusion that it it requires a lot of quality content, Im not good at coming up with a lot of quality content..

    I have never tried solo ads but cant wait to give it a try...thats a good suggestion.
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  • Profile picture of the author The Star
    you really have to use SEO to find more leads, more leads then it will be many more who will buy your product. and also by advertising on the PPC and Adbanner.
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  • Profile picture of the author essex14
    IMO I would rather focus on driving traffic away from google. I feel like I wasted a lot of time trying to trick google into giving me first rankings. After the penguin update I have decided to let google naturally decide where to rank my site...

    I think I should work more on finding new traffic sources..
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  • Profile picture of the author Chri5123
    Good Job!

    In 100 years you will have 100 sales!!!...ok wait - looks like we need to speed things up if you want to make money.

    First off:

    CONGRATULATIONS!

    Truly!

    MOST people that start with IM will not stick it out for six months let alone a year or make any sales. So you have your first one and that is the hardest!

    Now look at how long it REALLY took you to get that sale?

    Did you set up the site a year ago and work your ass off promoting it for 365 days?

    I am willing to bet you didn't and that is fine too.

    Make sure you have your site tracked with a service like statcounter.com - then you can see where your traffic is coming from.

    Now you have the first sale really push, tracking above and check your conversion rates.

    The key is to get another sale and then see what you need to change and adjust as you go along.

    Hope this helps?
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  • Profile picture of the author essex14
    Chri5123 your absolutely right..

    I had my first sale out 7 people on my list I am now at 100 people and havent gotten that second sale and have lost momentum...

    So I have the fundamentals..Traffic+List+Relationship+Offer.. But I could could be going about it the wrong way in between these and that Is where I need to analyze things..

    But do tell me if this was your niche and you took over my site and list what would you do different to be successful..?

    By the way Chri5123 I have seen you in other forums and am a true IM fan of yours if Im not mistaken you have some good gaming guides on CB.. I hope to get to your level one day...

    Also I wasn't promoting 365 days out of year because I was to focused on ranking in google and learning how to use tools such as senuke and scrapebox... And I never made my money back..LOL
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    • Profile picture of the author Chri5123
      Originally Posted by essex14 View Post

      Chri5123 your absolutely right..

      I had my first sale out 7 people on my list I am now at 100 people and havent gotten that second sale and have lost momentum...

      So I have the fundamentals..Traffic+List+Relationship+Offer.. But I could could be going about it the wrong way in between these and that Is where I need to analyze things..

      But do tell me if this was your niche and you took over my site and list what would you do different to be successful..?

      By the way Chri5123 I have seen you in other forums and am a true IM fan of yours if Im not mistaken you have some good gaming guides on CB.. I hope to get to your level one day...

      Also I wasn't promoting 365 days out of year because I was to focused on ranking in google and learning how to use tools such as senuke and scrapebox... And I never made my money back..LOL
      Your niche looks fairly focused.

      I wouldn't worry about SEO for now and would start posting at forums in the niche.

      Also try and get your content syndicated by some authority blogs in your niche.

      Lastly on your squeeze page put the info about the free report near the top so they know instantly what they will get by opting in.
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  • Profile picture of the author svk_hereiam
    maybe the offer you are promoting does not convert well.... have you checked the conversion percentage?
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  • Profile picture of the author retsced
    Originally Posted by essex14 View Post

    So I have been working on my first site/niche and have come to a point where I need to decide to keep chugging or dump the site..

    The site is demodecticmangetreatment.com and I have a list of 101 people and so far have made 1 sale...

    I have 15 followup messages setup and get about 25% open rate.. Im getting hops but not many sales..

    Also my traffic has decreased to about one person a day due to the penguin update, Im no expert Im just asking for some help otherwise Im likly to give up..

    Please warrior forum let me know what it is I am likly doing wrong so I can increase my sales.. Thanks and god bless...
    Have you been working for a full year online with this website/page and gotten just 100 leads + 1 sale? Is this right?

    It's not the site you need to ditch, it's your strategy. Even if you were to get more sales, how much do you think you could make from a list of 100 people?

    You need to set up a whole new plan and work schedule. The way you're going at it now needs to be adjusted or you definitely will quit soon enough. My heart goes out to you, it really does. I spent a full year implementing the wrong strategies and it killed my motivation.

    Think of all those hours you put in over that year. Now, ask yourself, would it have been better to spend $100 to get the same amount of leads within 24 hours? Boom, you just saved yourself 364 days of work. And all because you spent a few bucks.

    You MUST invest in your business with not only time, but money too. With a little cash you can gain that all important momentum and keep motivation levels high. If you have no cash to invest then you need to work smart and be consistent with your efforts. SEO is a very slow route and it can be very difficult to gain momentum. I suggest you look at other traffic generating strategies to implement on a day to day basis.

    Your first goal should be to get 10 leads a day into your system. Then scale up to 20 - 30 and so on. This can only be done with consistent effort. You are not working on this at all if you have 100 leads over a 1 year period. If this is inaccurate then forgive me, but if it's the truth, then what you're doing is an absolute joke. You are NOT working hard enough, smart enough and you are definitely not consistent with your efforts.

    -- 5 forum posts on 3 forums every day (15 posts daily - 450 monthly)
    -- 2 guest posts per week (this alone should get you enough consistent leads)
    -- create short 30 sec - 1 min videos and share on all video sites
    -- 10 blog comments on high traffic blogs (300 monthly)
    -- post to social sharing networks (are you using these?)
    -- classifieds - not the best strategy but paying a little brother to post 25 a day for $10 a week might be a good option (750 ads a month)
    -- write 1 blog post a day for 30 days to gain momentum and traffic. Google will index your sites content within minutes after you have completed the 30 day blog post challenge. ( it can be difficult to do every single day, but well worth it. After the 30 days is up you can go back and post once or twice a week.)
    -- submit all 30 posts to article directories after indexed on your site first.
    -- submit all 30 posts to pdf sharing websites.

    The bottom line is that you do this EVERY SINGLE DAY. At first you may see little to no results, but believe me, the accumulation of all this will be very clear to see after a month or so. You will start seeing results.

    Never forget. The internet/web is a very big place, and there are a hell of a lot of people out there looking for the solution you have. You must believe you can get a measly 20 people a day to opt -in to your list. Once you get to 20, you will just need to scale it up.
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  • Profile picture of the author talfighel
    You should start to do some more advertising.

    1. Start writing articles.
    2. Do some videos and upload them to YouTube.
    3. Visit high traffic websites in your niche and see if you can advertise there.
    4. Join forums in that niche and link back to your site from your signature.
    5. Find newsletters and see which ones you can advertise on.
    6. Do PPC ads.

    If you do all and stay at it, you will do much better.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Difficult (as often) to add a lot to Retsced's excellent post just above, but I want to mention one other thing, in case it helps ...

    Originally Posted by essex14 View Post

    I have 15 followup messages setup and get about 25% open rate.
    The figures may not be fully reliable, and the position may not be quite as bad as you suspect, but at some point, you need to ask yourself why three quarters of the people who have got as far as being attracted to your site and opting in apparently won't even open an email from you and what you can try to do, to change that. I can't reliably tell you the answer to this, but you need to try to work it out for yourself, and try some changes so that eventually three quarters of your subscribers will open your emails. Otherwise it's going to stay frustrating/wasteful, even when the traffic and conversion-rates increase.

    I suspect it's got a lot to do with "continuity". Possibly some of the comments in this post may help: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post6123982
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark72
    1 sale for 100 leads isnt too bad.

    You said you had a follow up series which is good, but do you have a range of back end products and affiliate products to sell?

    If you continue with this niche you ideally need to find other marketers with lists and JV with them.
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  • Profile picture of the author MarvyDery
    If you are tired of IM you can give up. But if you are believe in what you have and continue to work hard by following the free advices members on this forum have provided to you, I know you can gain more success than you are currently making
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  • Profile picture of the author TorinoGray
    If there is a cure for Mange, wouldn't a pet owner have gone to the vet or cured the problem in another way in the time you have been marketing to them? As a pet owner, I would either get an immediate resolution by buying your product, or seen a professional.

    If your free download is resolving their problem, are you giving away the milk for free?
    I'm assuming the product you are selling is related to solving mange.
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  • Profile picture of the author essex14
    Like most noticed I haven't stayed on A schedule and have devoted different amounts of my time on different things.

    Everyone continues to give great advice and I appreciate that.

    retsced hit the nail on the head, I agree I should be developing new leads every single day, my problem was relying on google for all the traffic and that is just something every newbie eventually learns.

    Also my open rate was a lot worse but this past week I have created 3 short reports and gave them away for free which I think has helped increase the open rate..

    The free report that Im giving away simply explains some of the things I went through and some tips I picked up along the way to help control the mange, for some dogs mange never goes completely away and unless the dogs diet and stress levels are control the mange could redevelop.
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  • Profile picture of the author lsargent
    The problem isn't neccesarily the site. Sure, it could be improved upon for conversions, but the bigger issue is getting in front of more traffic. I don't see you on page 1 at all for "Demodectic Mange" related keyphrase. Although you'd ideally want a higher conversion than 1%, I've seen worse. If you're sitting on page 2 or below for all the related keywords in the niche, that's why you're not making any money, not because the site or product is bad. The traffic is there, you just got to work on SEO and getting a higher serp position to syphon off more of that traffic.

    If you're getting stable traffic and have a metric of conversions to tweak and improve upon, and THEN you're still not making sales, that's the point to jump ship, but not before you've been able to evaluate how well it performs once you get it infront of more people.
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    • Profile picture of the author essex14
      Originally Posted by Logan Sargent View Post

      The problem isn't neccesarily the site. Sure, it could be improved upon for conversions, but the bigger issue is getting in front of more traffic. I don't see you on page 1 at all for the consition keyphrase. Although you'd ideally want a higher conversion thatn 1%, I've seen worse. If you're sitting on page 2 or below for all the related keywords in the niche, that's why you're not making any money, not because the site or product is bad. The traffic is there, you just got to work on SEO and getting a higher serp position to syphon off more of that traffic.

      Believe it or not I was #2 on page 1 of google for the term "demodectic mange treatment" about 3 weeks later the penguin knocked my site right out of any rankings... At the time I started to get 60 visitors a day for that one term...

      I blame myself for letting google control my business and not getting additional traffic...

      So yes my goal now is going to be using free traffic sources until I can afford fast targeted traffic..

      I believe I got the right idea I just need to implement more in order to see improvement...
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      • Profile picture of the author lsargent
        Originally Posted by essex14 View Post

        Believe it or not I was #2 on page 1 of google for the term "demodectic mange treatment" about 3 weeks later the penguin knocked my site right out of any rankings... At the time I started to get 60 visitors a day for that one term...

        I blame myself for letting google control my business and not getting additional traffic...

        So yes my goal now is going to be using free traffic sources until I can afford fast targeted traffic..

        I believe I got the right idea I just need to implement more in order to see improvement...
        Just don't give up. When you put a year's worth of work into something, and there's evidence there's a demand for the product, keep plugging away.
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  • Profile picture of the author sloanjim
    1 sale..well something is wrong....see my post. Is it worth the effort?

    Go for $800+ comm's spend $300+ on high target traffic and see where it goes.

    Good luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author sloanjim
    Everyone goes on and on about how S.E.O. traffic is the BEST......hmm.not my experiences. Seems to full of tyre kickers and surfers as opposed to buyers....Still maybe that's my niches?

    Forget S.E.O. buy traffic and see if it's profitable.
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  • Profile picture of the author QWE
    Originally Posted by essex14 View Post

    So I have been working on my first site/niche and have come to a point where I need to decide to keep chugging or dump the site..

    The site is demodecticmangetreatment.com and I have a list of 101 people and so far have made 1 sale...

    I have 15 followup messages setup and get about 25% open rate.. Im getting hops but not many sales..

    Also my traffic has decreased to about one person a day due to the penguin update, Im no expert Im just asking for some help otherwise Im likly to give up..

    Please warrior forum let me know what it is I am likly doing wrong so I can increase my sales.. Thanks and god bless...
    You need tons and tons of targeted traffic. Your sampling is too small to determine its conversion rate. Perhaps you might want to look into YouTube video traffic. You can easily rank those videos on Google in addition to getting direct traffic from YouTube by providing the right type of backlinks. I know many internet marketers who are turning profits this way.
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  • Profile picture of the author silyavski
    Hi, my 2 cents.
    From my point of view the site is nice as a design and definitely the video helps the ranking. The page looks simple and the content is enough.

    I see you at the bottom of 4th page in google.

    Now my honest opinion about what is wrong:

    Yo have an Enormous flow in "on page SEO optimization" . I don't want to discuss here what is wrong because everything looks wrong for me, starting with your keyword placement, titles, categories titles, etc. Just to tell you that if you know how, this site can be fixed in 4 hours and go straight to first page without any further effort. This site has a potential and i wouldn't throw it.

    Your site is 10 times better than mine first one that i am working upon now.

    My site is done by me following a WSO letter by letter and have 10 days age. Until today it had only 2 posts and 1 photo. 3 keywords in tight /1000-4000 local searches per month/ but Highly competitive niche. 15,50 and 100 are my keyword ranks and i am at the same page as you are, no single back link, nothing.

    So i see you solve the situation in 2 ways:

    1. Free way- download Seo Yoast free WordPress plugin and repair post by post your mistakes. No change to the content, just little important adjustments. The plugin will tell you exactly where the problem is at every point.
    2. Not a free way/ i am not an affiliate/ - PM me and buy the WSO i will recommend you, it was like 30-40$. Follow it step by step and your site will jump to the 1st page in no time. It gives some extra insights i have never seen mentioned at other place.

    Each of the 2 methods will help you, with the first one you will receive the warnings and have to figure what to do, the second one will tell you exactly what you have to do but can not monitor you what you are doing.

    I hope that helps!
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    What kind of marketing do you online? Was SEO the only traffic source that you were using before Penguin? I would also add more than just 15 autoresponder messages.
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  • Profile picture of the author essex14
    This is why I love warriorforum, warriors don't mind sharing their two sense...

    As to what other marketing, i have written a few articles and created a few videos and I know its gonna take a lot more than that.

    If there are some ways to recover from penguin or deoptimize my site please do let me know. I dont have the funds to outsource but am willing to put in all the work and I am determine to make this a successful campaign.

    How many autoresponders would you suggest Randall?
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  • Profile picture of the author fitz10
    1 sale with a 100 person list isn't that bad. The key is actually getting more people on your list. How many visitors are you getting per day?

    Also this is a desperate problem so I might as a buyer be inclined to just buy a treatment right then and there. Have you tried advertising the product directly on your site at all?

    As a side note I had some 401 errors while browsing the site.
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    • Profile picture of the author essex14
      Originally Posted by fitz10 View Post

      1 sale with a 100 person list isn't that bad. The key is actually getting more people on your list. How many visitors are you getting per day?

      Also this is a desperate problem so I might as a buyer be inclined to just buy a treatment right then and there. Have you tried advertising the product directly on your site at all?

      As a side note I had some 401 errors while browsing the site.
      ok thanks for the suggestion also could you tell me the url of the 401 errors I cant seem to find any...
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  • Profile picture of the author Azlan.MY
    The key is to never give up and keep on learning. Also, another factor to consider is are you targeting buyer keywords on search engines? Product name keywords tend to convert well. If you are growing list, make sure that the traffic that comes to your squeeze page is buyer traffic.
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  • Profile picture of the author dippo
    I tried affiliate sales, and had about the same luck as you OP. I dont think they're for me, and theyre defiitely not as simple as some make out.
    Maybe you need more compelling writeups and SEO.
    I ended up making much more money in other things, that suited me better.
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  • Profile picture of the author silyavski
    I think you are missing the point here.
    his niche name has 2700 for the major keyword and 720 for the exact domain name keyword- local searches. There are 3400 desperate people searching this every month. If he is at first page up to number 5, he will sell. So the problem is the place. Niche on 4rth page. what do you expect?
    so the ones who say that he should raise his numbers outside of google are quite right also.
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  • Profile picture of the author salaka
    hi
    how about just flip the site on flipper and do up another niche site, i have been doing this for year i had one site it was making $60 month on adsense but now becasue of BIG BAD panda it has gone down to about $3 a week so i am flipping starting new one.
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  • Profile picture of the author forester1985
    many knowledge i got from this thread as a newbie
    thanks for the thread starter
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  • Profile picture of the author neverfaithless
    Hello! I have been learning this business for the past few years with some decent successes... what I have going for me is a friend (okay, my boyfriend, who has been my friend since our teenage years), who has been in the business for quite awhile. When I start to struggle I tend to pick his brain. He has taught me several things:

    1. Keyword research is vital: know your stuff here, and exactly what you need to rank
    2. Article submissions with links to your money sites are excellent sources of traffic
    3. Youtube video's get ranked highly fairly quickly, and offer high ranking backlinks, moving your indirect sources of traffic up in the SE's.

    I hope these tidbits help. I'm certainly no expert, but I am always happy to share what has worked for me! Good luck to you!
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  • Profile picture of the author williamk
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    That really hurts. One sale in one year. You sure do have patience. It would be a lot better if you check what you are offering.
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    • Profile picture of the author silyavski
      Originally Posted by reliabletop View Post

      how about the price? is it too high?
      that is a good question.
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  • Profile picture of the author Caragui
    Try to generate more visitors by being active in a forum in the niche. Or you may buy PPC ads but since you're not generating any revenue it would mean you have faith on the niche you are in.
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  • Profile picture of the author dslfarms
    Maybe try a sales funnel starting with a free product
    Test-Test-Test
    and try rafflecopter.com & give them say $20 wal-mart gift card to get
    you will have to go look it is a win-win with benefits.
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  • Profile picture of the author alfid
    It is not uncommon to not make any sales. You might need a more compelling message or something. Sometimes you need hundreds of consumer traffic before anyone buys. You might want to consider a definition of mange right on top of the page, or something right up there that would help readers understand why they need this book.
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    • Profile picture of the author cityhunter66
      Thank you for posting this question.
      I have been trying to set up my blog for about a month or so and barely any traffic comes. Not to mention no subscription to my weekly newsletter yet. I think i'll be in the same shoes as you one year from now so i think i need to change my strategy.
      btw, i'm new to this forum, how do you actually thank ppl for their posts?
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  • Profile picture of the author career21st
    essex14 - Don't Give up so easily.
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  • Profile picture of the author wally247
    There are lots of good ideas here...


    Here's what I'll add.


    Try different products. Some CB products just suck for converting for whatever reason, so always try a lot of them out to see what the deal is there.


    On your copywriting....

    When I first started out I knew literally nothing about copywriting, so I just wrote honestly and simply.

    I didn't get rich, but I made sales without too much effort.


    Then I read copywriting books. I learned a lot by reading them, but my sales not only didn't go up, but they actually went down.....which seems impossible since I wasn't doing that well anyway.


    When I tried something "new" (not selling, not using copywriting techniques, but just talking to people like they are humans) I found success once again.


    People know they are always being sold to in this world. If you can make them think that you are only interested in helping them, you will make sales. Of course this works a lot better when you aren't "trying" to do that...but when you actually are trying to help.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ericparke
      Anything to get them in the door and if your product is worth its weight you should be fine
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  • Profile picture of the author Ericparke
    Possibly lower the price? It doesn't sound like your supremely confident in your product though if your already talking about dumping your site. Maybe think of a new product and go from there...
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  • Profile picture of the author Ericparke
    Or give the customer a 30 day money back offer..?
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  • Profile picture of the author jonathan29
    Hi man!
    I'll be direct, WHAT THE HECK are'ya selling? I'm amazed you had even one sell! :confused:
    If you want to make money you must choose a better product! something poeple are looking for, badly, on the net. something popular.
    Maybe its some kind of a joke or something im not sure...but if not.

    send me a PM so i can help'ya out a bit!
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  • What I have noticed that 99% of all problems are not capturing leads and building a relationship with the list. There are tons of other problems but most people don't get over this first hump, but they focus on things down the road which don't matter in the beginning.
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    soon people... Relax...
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  • Profile picture of the author jpsween88
    My best suggestion is do what feels right to you. I struggled so much to earn my first $1 online and was so desperate I tried anything and everything without giving it my full effort. It sounds like you understand a little bit about seo and driving traffic to your site. If you are committed to this niche and you truly believe you can make some money off it and enjoy working on it as well then keep the site. Otherwise, I agree with flipping the site so you can invest in something different that you will enjoy dedicating your time on. The more you enjoy building your blog/site that's when the traffic notices and sales come through.

    Best of Luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author Edman15
    Great discussion here. I have gathered a lot of new ideas and stuff. So many thanks to all of you.
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