I created a Tweetattacks clone, i can create a thread to sale this here?

Banned 14 years ago

Given what the last incarnation was used for, I doubt that will be looked upon favorably here. It ended up as a spammers tool.

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TweetClone

14 years ago

I'm from Brazil and the servers are located in RUSSIA and CHINA! This software will be exclusive! I will sell the software SOON in WarriorForum following the rules!

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Originally Posted by Joe Robinson

Given what the last incarnation was used for, I doubt that will be looked upon favorably here. It ended up as a spammers tool.

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tpw 14 years ago

Originally Posted by TweetClone

I'm from Brazil and the servers are located in RUSSIA and CHINA!

Bullet proof hosting won't save your ass on this one.

Originally Posted by TweetClone

I will sell the software SOON in WarriorForum following the rules!

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I am betting that you underestimated the value of this response to your question:

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

I suggest a careful reading of the rules in the WSO section before considering posting that thing for sale.

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Richard Van

14 years ago

Originally Posted by TweetClone

I'm from Brazil and the servers are located in RUSSIA and CHINA! This software will be exclusive! I will sell the software SOON in WarriorForum following the rules!

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I can see this one ending in tears.

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Jason Ladlee 14 years ago

Originally Posted by tpw

I am betting that you underestimated the value of this response to your question:

Originally Posted by Richard Van

I can see this one ending in tears.

dude....take the hint

It's your call and you're gonna do what you're gonna do but....
I highly suggest you do some research before you jump into this
(maybe read through the thread you tried to promote this thing in before)

Really think about tpw's first response, he's trying to save you from alot of completely avoidable non-sense
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Originally Posted by Richard Van

I can see this one ending in tears.

I hear ya. Bulletproof hosting, spam program that's already gotten a strong response from Twitter ... what could go wrong?
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DotComBum

14 years ago

You need to pay in order to sell it in the classified section

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sbucciarel

Banned 14 years ago

To sell your product as a WSO, you need to buy War Room membership ($37 one time fee)
Then create your listing in WSO forum and when it is approved, pay for it ($40 fee)

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

To sell your product as a WSO, you need to buy War Room membership ($37 one time fee)
Then create your listing in WSO forum and when it is approved, pay for it ($40 fee)

And you should hope that you don't meet the same end as the guy who owned the original TweetAttacks -- he got sued by Twitter, which is the reason his site went offline.

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Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by tpw

And you should hope that you don't meet the same end as the guy who owned the original TweetAttacks -- he got sued by Twitter, which is the reason his site went offline.

Absolutely ...but I gave up interjecting an opinion on these spam programs. From the original Twitter is suing the pants off of TweetAttacks thread to this one, it falls on deaf ears. They're going to do what they do and no one can convince them that automated social network spam is not only spam but it can get you into some serious trouble.

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TweetClone

14 years ago

Here in my country, this is not a crime! Impossible to get sued by Twitter! And the servers will not get down, cause they are located in RUSSIA and CHINA!

We are not in U.S Jurisdiction. So it will be lasting and secure.

Originally Posted by tpw

And you should hope that you don't meet the same end as the guy who owned the original TweetAttacks -- he got sued by Twitter, which is the reason his site went offline.

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DianaHeuser

14 years ago

Originally Posted by TweetClone

Here in my country, this is not a crime! Impossible to get sued by Twitter! And the servers will not get down, cause they are located in RUSSIA and CHINA!

We are not in U.S Jurisdiction. So it will be lasting and secure.

Well if that is true (and I am not sure it is), one thing is for sure, Anybody who uses your application will have their Twitter accounts shut down. You might not have any customers left.

Just a thought. It's against Twitter's TOU's to use automated 'spamming' software so why delibrately create a product that does that?

Why not create a product that provides real value and is ethical?

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Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by TweetClone

Here in my country, this is not a crime! Impossible to get sued by Twitter! And the servers will not get down, cause they are located in RUSSIA and CHINA!

We are not in U.S Jurisdiction. So it will be lasting and secure.

Well, here in the old Warrior Forum, you're in the Warrior Forum jurisdiction and you've already attracted the attention of a WF moderator, so good luck selling it here. Maybe there's a nice little forum in Russia where you can post it.

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Richard Van

14 years ago

Originally Posted by TweetClone

Here in my country, this is not a crime! Impossible to get sued by Twitter! And the servers will not get down, cause they are located in RUSSIA and CHINA!

Excellent, I suggest you sell it to Brazilians then.

With respect though, can't you see how you're shooting yourself in the foot here? You want to sell it here, to people that will get screwed because of you, but you don't care about that because it's not illegal in your country.

In other words, you don't give a s*** about your customers so long as you're making money from them and are at arms length from Twitter.

Nice :rolleyes:.

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TweetClone

14 years ago

How costumers will be sued man? AND respect all my customers, i treat all very well and offer a quality service.

I WILL PAY FOR SALES THREAD here in WARRIORFORUM no problem about that.

Originally Posted by Richard Van

Excellent, I suggest you sell it to Brazilians then.

With respect though, can't you see how you're shooting yourself in the foot here? You want to sell it here, to people that will get screwed because of you, but you don't care about that because it's not illegal in your country.

In other words, you don't give a s*** about your customers so long as you're making money from them and are at arms length from Twitter.

Nice :rolleyes:.

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MissTerraK

14 years ago

Originally Posted by TweetClone

How costumers will be sued man? AND respect all my customers, i treat all very well and offer a quality service.

I WILL PAY FOR SALES THREAD here in WARRIORFORUM no problem about that.

Just curious, TweetClone, do they use the phrase "A fool and his money soon part" in your country?

You have received sound advice and warnings as well in this thread, yet you seem to be intent on spending your money to post this as a WSO anyway.

Perhaps if you focus on that phrase, and take under advisement the feedback you have received here, you'll begin to see the error of your ways.

Terra

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TweetClone

14 years ago

My original question was about the rules of the forum, and I am being massacred with unfair accusations and responses from people urging me just to defend myself. But why? Is it right to receive accusations without reason? Just to put me down?

My main language is Portuguese, not English. I ask a bit of mutual respect.

Originally Posted by Richard Van

Excellent, I suggest you sell it to Brazilians then.

With respect though, can't you see how you're shooting yourself in the foot here? You want to sell it here, to people that will get screwed because of you, but you don't care about that because it's not illegal in your country.

In other words, you don't give a s*** about your customers so long as you're making money from them and are at arms length from Twitter.

Nice :rolleyes:.

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Richard Van

14 years ago

Originally Posted by TweetClone

My original question was about the rules of the forum, and I am being massacred with unfair accusations and responses from people urging me just to defend myself. But why? Is it right to receive accusations without reason? Just to put me down?

My main language is Portuguese, not English. I ask a bit of mutual respect.

I don't really have time to carry this on. You just do what you think is best, Paul has even referred to it as "that thing" so I don't think this is going to down too well here.

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TweetClone 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Richard Van

Excellent, I suggest you sell it to Brazilians then.

Just to inform: Here in Brazil this kind of software is almost unknown.

I'm a good guy! Brazilians forums are places to make friends. I hope here too.

And thanks for your advices!
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kojakeugenio

14 years ago

Originally Posted by tpw

And you should hope that you don't meet the same end as the guy who owned the original TweetAttacks -- he got sued by Twitter, which is the reason his site went offline.

So what happen to the guy now? What kind of lawsuit has been filed?

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tpw 14 years ago

Originally Posted by kojakeugenio

So what happen to the guy now? What kind of lawsuit has been filed?

See the story here.
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ankur sharma 14 years ago

Originally Posted by kojakeugenio

So what happen to the guy now? What kind of lawsuit has been filed?

I will also to know about it. Its strange such a big company is getting behind such a small player. Who knows how much devastation his bot did to their reputation.
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Paul Myers

14 years ago

I suggest a careful reading of the rules in the WSO section before considering posting that thing for sale.

Paul

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ClickMonkey 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

I suggest a careful reading of the rules in the WSO section before considering posting that thing for sale.

TweetClone, the above is VERY good advice! As are the comments made to beware of possible legal problem! But do not let yourself be dissuaded! There are opportunities to market products right here on the WF that can be VERY controversial!

Just above your post TweetClone, look what was there a moment ago! ==>

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Amazingly awesome software that has gotten outrageously positive reviews! And it's not exactly something many websites that use captcha systems to try and slow down non-human traffic would necessarily appreciate! But there's a lot of open mindedness from WF admins about what is or is not allowed, just study your plan carefully and best of success with it whatever you decide!
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williamk

Banned 14 years ago

You should be able to sell it but you need to pay for the thread i think. And it would have to be approved.

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Richard Van

14 years ago

Originally Posted by williamk

You should be able to sell it but you need to pay for the thread i think. And it would have to be approved.

Hi William,

I appreciate you're trying to comment on every thread today but it does help to really look at the entire thread before posting, especially this one where a moderator has made it pretty clear how it works.

I suggest a careful reading of the rules in the WSO section before considering posting that thing for sale.

It wouldn't need to be approved either, the mods don't have time to approve every WSO that comes out.

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sbucciarel

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Richard Van

Hi William,

I appreciate you're trying to comment on every thread today but it does help to really look at the entire thread before posting, especially this one where a moderator has made it pretty clear how it works.

It wouldn't need to be approved either, the mods don't have time to approve every WSO that comes out.

He does that all the time. The last run I counted over 58 responses in one day. Didn't report it because they weren't spun garbage and most at least exceeded a line, but really didn't add much value.

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Chris Thompson

14 years ago

Crime or no crime, it's HIGHLY unethical. You obviously don't care.

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TweetClone 14 years ago

Its just a TOOL! I'm not agree about spam! People need use this with care!

"You can use a knife to kill, but not only for that porpouse."

Originally Posted by Chris Thompson

Crime or no crime, it's HIGHLY unethical. You obviously don't care.
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Mark72

14 years ago

Has anybody considered the fact that these tools can actually be used to facilitate the process of adding a lot of value and building up a loyal following on twitter?

Not everybody spams the crap out of twitter with the @mention function on these tools.

It's shame the spammers don't take the time to learn how to market properly, because if they did they would probably make some consistent money with a scalable strategy.

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tpw

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Mark72

Has anybody considered the fact that these tools can actually be used to facilitate the process of adding a lot of value and building up a loyal following on twitter?

Not everybody spams the crap out of twitter with the @mention function on these tools.

It's shame the spammers don't take the time to learn how to market properly, because if they did they would probably make some consistent money with a scalable strategy.

This has been discussed at length in this forum previously:

Point #1: These types of software are used by spammers more often, than used by legitimate marketers using it simply as an organization tool.

Point #2: Twitter was able to bring suit on the grounds that these companies violated Twitter's Terms of Use, by enabling users of their software to violate Twitter's User Agreement.

Point #3: And this one should be important to the Original Poster... Twitter was able to bring suit against companies that were not based in the United States, specifically "JL4 Web Solutions", otherwise known as "Tweet Attacks", a company that was incorporated in the Philippines.

You can read the original thread here where this was discussed at length, reaching 220 posts over 5 weeks time.

You can also see the original legal papers here that were filed by Twitter against 7 defendants (5 software makers and 2 spammers).

Regardless of the OP's intent for moving forward with this software, believing that his out-of-country residency will protect him from legal actions by Twitter, he will be damn lucky if he can get approval to advertise his product in this forum.

Proof as to him being lucky to get approval to promote his spamware in this forum, please read again the comments by one of the moderators:

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

I suggest a careful reading of the rules in the WSO section before considering posting that thing for sale.

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TweetClone

14 years ago

Originally Posted by tpw

Point #3: And this one should be important to the Original Poster... Twitter was able to bring suit against companies that were not based in the United States, specifically "JL4 Web Solutions", otherwise known as "Tweet Attacks", a company that was incorporated in the Philippines.[/B]

I'm going through all the steps to make a legal software. I'm having oversight of lawyers for this.

I've always been inside of the facts involved in the process suffered by the Tweetattacks company "JL4 Web Solutions". One of the major mistakes of their company, was their Forum, which encouraged the practice of SPAM.

I WAS A COSTUMER! ALL COSTUMERS KNOW THAT!

For this reason the other company TweetAdder is still active. Cause TweetAdder do not encouraged the practice of SPAM!

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tpw

14 years ago

Originally Posted by TweetClone

I'm going through all the steps to make a legal software. I'm having oversight of lawyers for this.

I've always been inside of the facts involved in the process suffered by the Tweetattacks company "JL4 Web Solutions". One of the major mistakes of their company, was their Forum, which encouraged the practice of SPAM.

I WAS A COSTUMER! ALL COSTUMERS KNOW THAT!

For this reason the other company TweetAdder is still active. Cause TweetAdder do not encouraged the practice of SPAM!

In that case, Good Luck to you.

I hope you are right and I was wrong.

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TweetClone 14 years ago

Originally Posted by tpw

In that case, Good Luck to you.

I hope you are right and I was wrong.

Thanks for your advices!
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TweetClone

14 years ago

If I broke any rule, it is because I do not speak English very well, so I opened this post to request help. At no moment was my intention to lead to another topic.

The world needs friends, not enemies. We learned this here in Brazil and we have a cultural history of being respectful and friendly people.

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tpw

14 years ago

Originally Posted by TweetClone

If I broke any rule, it is because I do not speak English very well, so I opened this post to request help. At no moment was my intention to lead to another topic.

The world needs friends, not enemies. We learned this here in Brazil and we have a cultural history of being respectful and friendly people.

No disrespect to you, but you are missing the point.

Bottom Line:

1. If you sell your software to the public, you are opening yourself up to being sued by Twitter, regardless of where you might live.

2. The forum does not allow any software to be advertised here that violates the Terms Of Use of any third-party website.

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Joseph Robinson

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by TweetClone

If I broke any rule, it is because I do not speak English very well, so I opened this post to request help. At no moment was my intention to lead to another topic.

There are plenty of ESL Warriors here who follow the rules. That's not a cop out you can really use. Google translate will get those rules close enough.

Originally Posted by TweetClone

The world needs friends, not enemies. We learned this here in Brazil and we have a cultural history of being respectful and friendly people.

So how exactly are you being respectful to Twitter by putting out a problem that dilutes the usability of their service by people who don't want to get spammed? Or does respect only count when it is towards you?

For this reason the other company TweetAdder is still active. Cause TweetAdder do not encouraged the practice of SPAM!

They're part of the lawsuit as well. Read the legal documents that Bill provided. I also am pretty sure that none of the companies under lawsuit flat out stated "Hey use this for spam!" Doesn't matter anyways, they broke Twitter's TOS, your product will inevitably do the same, and then you will be here asking for legal advice when you get sued.

End of story.

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TweetClone

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Joe Robinson

So how exactly are you being respectful to Twitter by putting out a problem that dilutes the usability of their service by people who don't want to get spammed? Or does respect only count when it is towards you?

They're part of the lawsuit as well. Read the legal documents that Bill provided. I also am pretty sure that none of the companies under lawsuit flat out stated "Hey use this for spam!" Doesn't matter anyways, they broke Twitter's TOS, your product will inevitably do the same, and then you will be here asking for legal advice when you get sued.

End of story.

As I said before, is just a tool. I do not encourage the practice of SPAM. And in tweetattacks forum they taught how to send MASS @MENTIONS using multiple tasks, captchas, multiple proxys and more! ALL COSTUMERS KNOW THAT! And a big problem too, was the Account Creator.

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Joseph Robinson

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by TweetClone

As I said before, is just a tool.

Did you read the thread about Tweetattacks getting sued? It's proponents were saying the exact same thing. They still got sued. This argument will not protect you.

Originally Posted by TweetClone

I do not encourage the practice of SPAM.

Neither did the creators of those products. Thing is though is that the tool is a spammers wet dream, and you can say you are against it until the cows come home and they will not give two s***s. This argument will not protect you.

Originally Posted by TweetClone

And in tweetattacks forum they taught how to send MASS @MENTIONS using multiple tasks, captchas, multiple proxys and more! ALL COSTUMERS KNOW THAT! And a big problem too, was the Account Creator.

And you think they won't do the same thing with your clone? Do you think that you are going to stop the absolute flood of spammers that are going to grab your product and start filling Twitter with more crap? Do you really think you have the abilities and the resources to do that?

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TweetClone

14 years ago

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Originally Posted by Joe Robinson

Did you read the thread about Tweetattacks getting sued? It's proponents were saying the exact same thing. They still got sued. This argument will not protect you.

Neither did the creators of those products. Thing is though is that the tool is a spammers wet dream, and you can say you are against it until the cows come home and they will not give two s***s. This argument will not protect you.

And you think they won't do the same thing with your clone? Do you think that you are going to stop the absolute flood of spammers that are going to grab your product and start filling Twitter with more crap? Do you really think you have the abilities and the resources to do that?

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Originally Posted by TweetClone

This is with me and my lawyers! Thanks

I pray that you have competent lawyers.
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daddykool

14 years ago

Olá twiiterclone, então você está ciente das regras do Fórum guerreiro, se você for encontrado ou visto para vender, promover ou oferecer um serviço baseado em torno de spam, de qualquer tipo que você será proibido e você não vai vender todas as cópias do seu programa .

Se você é sério sobre a venda no fórum guerreiro, você já terá os moderadores assistindo seu segmento de vendas, o que significa que você não vai vender todas as cópias de seu software!

Espero que este seja um pouco mais fácil para você entender

As I have said above and what other Warriors have told you, just do not bother!

Mods - time for a locked thread (:-*

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by daddykool

Olá twiiterclone, então você está ciente das regras do Fórum guerreiro, se você for encontrado ou visto para vender, promover ou oferecer um serviço baseado em torno de spam, de qualquer tipo que você será proibido e você não vai vender todas as cópias do seu programa .

Se você é sério sobre a venda no fórum guerreiro, você já terá os moderadores assistindo seu segmento de vendas, o que significa que você não vai vender todas as cópias de seu software!

Espero que este seja um pouco mais fácil para você entender

As I have said above and what other Warriors have told you, just do not bother!

Mods - time for a locked thread (:-*

Sweet!! I had no idea how to speak Portuguese.

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14 years ago

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14 years ago

Programs that aren't made for spam use the Twitter API and conform to the Twitter TOS.

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cypherslock

14 years ago

Holy hanna....look my friend, your software is explicitly AGAINST Twitter's TERMS OF SERVICE. That means, regardless of how good it is, where you live, or what lawyers you have, Twitter CAN and WILL sue you once they get wind of it. Tweet Attacks is alive as TweetCEO but now it is half the functionality at literally thousands of dollars. And the guy that did is explicitly says that he's in Dubai, everyone that buys is an idiot and that no one can touch him. While I don't think that YOU feel this way about your customers, believing that you can be safe just because of where you live is asking for trouble.

Just be very careful. And no, this will not go over well here. Why? IM has an image problem, mostly due to tools like this. We are ALL seen as spammers and scammers, thanks to mass-blast tools.

Do I use some tools? Sure. Magic Submitter mostly. BUT the key difference here is that I take the time to create solid, informative content and then make sure that when I submit it, it is: (a) over time and (b) to relevant sites that want it.

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cypherslock

14 years ago

The phrase "stubborn as a mule" comes to mind... He obviously doesn't realize that WF as big, grand and glorious as it is, is only ONE place of many.

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SarahJane

14 years ago

Hey guys
don't be so hard to him
he's new here
let him taste this forum

to tweetclone:
they are just trying to help you save your money which is will go to oblivion
some of them is senior member and there also a moderator too
so..
why don't you start to hear their suggestion
don't push your way of thinking

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Gregory Campbell

14 years ago

Here is the sad sordid truth behind this product....

TweetCEO is a clone of TweetAttacks.... which sold for $169.

TweetAttacks used unlimited instances in order to create massive traffic. We typically would use 20 or more instances on a dedicated server. You need to do this if you want to use this software to its full capabilities.

When TweetCEO was launched it was sold and I bought it with unlimited instances for $997. Three weeks later the multi instance functionality was removed without warning and without refund (let alone apology) and a new version released. We were all duped.

TweetCEO Pro with 3 instances $997
TweetCEO Elite with 8 instances $1750

Even with 8 instances this tool is nothing but a toy for newbies. You could never expect to use it to its full potential. At $1750 this has got to be the most delusional product in the history of IM.

I have heard that a clone of TweetAttacks will be released in the next couple of weeks and will sell for $299. No limitations and with full multi instances so it can be used to its full capabilities.

The developers behind this product are not greedy or silly and understand IM product pricing.

I heard the new clone will be called TweetExplosion.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Gregory Campbell

I have heard that a clone of TweetAttacks will be released in the next couple of weeks and will sell for $299. No limitations and with full multi instances so it can be used to its full capabilities.

The developers behind this product are not greedy or silly and understand IM product pricing.

I heard the new clone will be called TweetExplosion.

I noted that you are a Product Launch Manager.

Is this product one of the products scheduled to be launched with your assistance?

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by TweetClone

Sorry bad english, i'm brazilian. I have a exactly clone of tweetattacks and i need to know if i can sell this in warriorforum or need some privileges to do that?

Waiting some help

Originally Posted by TweetClone

My original question was about the rules of the forum, and I am being massacred with unfair accusations and responses from people urging me just to defend myself. But why? Is it right to receive accusations without reason? Just to put me down?

My main language is Portuguese, not English. I ask a bit of mutual respect.

Well at least your English has improved immensely in the space of a few posts. You're even capitalizing correctly now...

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Originally Posted by Nicolaas Theron

Well at least your English has improved immensely in the space of a few posts. You're even capitalizing correctly now...

That's because this guy is not really Brazilian.
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  Programs that aren't made for spam use the Twitter API and conform to the Twitter TOS.
  
  Thank you. That sums that issue up nicely.
  
  Well at least your English has improved immensely in the space of a few posts. You're even capitalizing correctly now...
  
  And he moved from South America to North America.
  
  Regardless, this thread appears to have been started as a way to sneak in a pre-promotional plug. Hardly an auspicious beginning.
  
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Originally Posted by Nicolaas Theron

Well at least your English has improved immensely in the space of a few posts. You're even capitalizing correctly now...

Exactly what I was thinking! :-)
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Gregory Campbell

14 years ago

Absolutely no way in the world!!! Are you serious? I got burnt with Tweetttacks and TweetCEO....I'm over with these products.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by tpw

2. The forum does not allow any software to be advertised here that violates the Terms Of Use of any third-party website.

Originally Posted by ClickMonkey

Just above your post TweetClone, look what was there a moment ago! ==>

screen capture of WF banner ad

Yes, I thought your statement above was bit bold, Bill.

Surely any auto bookmarking software violates ToU's, for example...and there's plenty of those for sale in the WSO section...

EDIT: Crikey, the fellow's been banned. Must have happened while I was wading through the thread!

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14 years ago

2. The forum does not allow any software to be advertised here that violates the Terms Of Use of any third-party website.

Originally Posted by BackLinkiT

Yes, I thought your statement above was bit bold, Bill.

Surely any auto bookmarking software violates ToU's, for example...and there's plenty of those for sale in the WSO section...

Yep, BOLD indeed, and apparently WRONG also. :p

But I could have swore that I had seen Paul Myers said that at one point. Maybe it used to be that way, or maybe I really am getting old and senile.

Originally Posted by BackLinkiT

EDIT: Crikey, the fellow's been banned. Must have happened while I was wading through the thread!

He got zapped right after Paul posted in this thread the last time.

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Paul Myers 14 years ago

Bill,

But I could have swore that I had seen Paul Myers said that at one point. Maybe it used to be that way, or maybe I really am getting old and senile.

Who says it can't be both?

That was the way the rules were stated at one point. For various reasons, most of which I agree with, Allen dropped it. (Wanna play forum lawyer with every twit who thinks he's got a way to finagle around the rules?)

The new statement of the rule in the WSO section is: You may not sell any product here that endorses, enables, or facilitates the sending of unsolicited bulk messages via email, private messaging systems, or other channels meant for one-to-one communication, or for the spamming of forums, chat systems, or social networking sites.

As far as the auto-bookmarking comment... I couldn't say. I don't mess with them, so I'm not familiar enough to have an opinion I could readily defend.

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  But I could have swore that I had seen Paul Myers said that at one point. Maybe it used to be that way, or maybe I really am getting old and senile.
  
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  Bill, Who says it can't be both?
  
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ClickMonkey 14 years ago

Originally Posted by BackLinkiT

Surely any auto bookmarking software violates ToU's, for example...and there's plenty of those for sale in the WSO section...

This has been debated a lot, with the seeming prevalent view (for now) that the WF should not be a "nanny" for the Internet in all cases. But there has been, is now, and always will be a lot of open mindedness and diversity of opinion about what should and shouldn't be allowed. My perspective was that it was funny to see what I screen grabbed being advertised right above TweetClone's OP. To me, it just shows there is a lot of different opinions held by WF admins, and that some stuff is not so clear cut or obvious. One person's "spam/TOS breaking tool" is another person's productivity enhancement tool -- figuring out which is which is not always easy for WF admins.
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jbg00d 14 years ago

Apologies for chiming in, but I've been watching the chatter about the gentlemen's tweetattacks clone...

I may be stepping out of bounds here, but this is about along the same lines as moving funds off shore.

Off shore backing allows an individual to protect his/her liquid from the heavy taxation of the US on individuals with high income gains. Its a very smart concept.

Basically the individual holding large premiums offshore accounts are "outside" US taxation jurisdiction therefore are protected by the overseas government. So it's fairly logical how this could work for him.

Example. Look at Paypal. They don't give any guarantee US sales overseas because it's "out of the US jurisdiction". If your Paypal account gets ripped off by some smarta** overseas hack, you don't get jack squat in compensation. Why? because the insurance would be way too high and it's literally impossible to find someone without an Identity.

Sorry for the tangent. It's just that it has happened to me before...

Bottom line is if you are operating outside US shores, I'm pretty sure there isn't a damned thing a US based business can do if you're infringing on their product. The Chinese create tons of US patented products everyday. Are they being shut down??

Anyhow, don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating, for the guy, but I'm fairly certain about his claim.

But don't take my word for it. If I were you my friend(speaking to the gentleman asking about selling his Tweetattacks clone) I would do quite a lot of research; maybe talk to a lawyer before you take the plunge. It would behoove you to know your opponent and know him well, before climbing in the ring with a sleeping giant.
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14 years ago

In fact, I have no intention of buying TweetExplosion.

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14 years ago

Well, you confused me with your original post.

It looked like you were downing TweetAttacks and TweetCEO, while laying the groundwork for showing TweetClone's new product to be the better option.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by tpw

Well, you confused me with your original post.

It looked like you were downing TweetAttacks and TweetCEO, while laying the groundwork for showing TweetClone's new product to be the better option.

No not at all. I was just trying to offer some perspective as to what was offered by TweetAttacks, the absurdity of pricing with the toy which is TweetCEO and what I have heard is about to be released.

I guess my gripe is the money I have lost on both TweetAttacks and TweetCEO. I'm hoping my bad experiences will help others make an informed decision.

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ankur sharma

14 years ago

no matter what we say there will be Warriors who will be interested in his software. that's the sad part. However today I am feeling very positive and I want to congratulate OP that he at least took an action and posted this thread.

OP can you come up with some legitimate software?

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Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by ankur sharma

I want to congratulate OP that he at least took an action and posted this thread.

In the sense that the OP outed themselves before releasing a bad product on here? Yes, that is action that I am glad they took. Hopefully you are talking about the same thing...

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Joe Robinson

In the sense that the OP outed themselves before releasing a bad product on here? Yes, that is action that I am glad they took. Hopefully you are talking about the same thing...

Yeah thats the point. But on the other hand as well. He thinks by creating such spammy thread he can create buzz and he can generate sales. He didnt understand the true mantra of warrior forum's owner and mods. They hate spammy tools. But still, he got up in the morning, thought let me take action, post thread and i will make sales.

He took action thats cool. I hope he understands this was bad move and he shouldnt do it again. He should learn from this and start legitimate way of doing business. Now, you know it, i know it, this software is going to sell if he launch it to the right audience in a right way.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Joe Robinson

the OP has already been banned.

Yeah, it is gonna be hard for him to buy that advertising thread at the Warrior Forum now. :p

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Originally Posted by ankur sharma

Guys, give some room for newbies to make mistakes.

There is a huge gulf between a newbie making mistakes and someone who sees a software shutdown due to lawsuit and says "I'll recreate that, I'm sure that I'm special and won't get caught". The gulf becomes even larger when the person decides "Hehe, I know how to presell. I'm going to pretend to be a confused foreigner and post a thread on the WF talking about my product and if I can post it. If anyone bitches, I can just say I'm in a different country so suck it!"

That's a scammer and a spammer, and personally I find it a bit alarming that you condone their actions in any form.

Originally Posted by ankur sharma

You believe it or not, i am sure he might got some pms "hey i heard you got twitter software? I will like to buy a copy? do you have demo?"

Unfortunately I do believe it, and like I just said I'm alarmed that you think this should be paraded as some kind of reward for the OP "taking action".
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MissTerraK

14 years ago

What's the point in taking action when it leads to you getting banned?

Wouldn't it have been better for him to take no action than an action that led to negative consequences.

I wish people would quit proclaiming, take action! But would rather encourage others to take intelligent productive action in logical steps.

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Originally Posted by MissTerraK

I wish people would quit proclaiming, take action! But would rather encourage others to take intelligent productive action in logical steps.

It seems the former has become the calling card of those who have yet to do the latter. They tell people to take action, any action because they are subconsciously talking to themselves, wishing they would get off of their ass.

My backup for that statement? I used to do it

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Joe Robinson

It seems the former has become the calling card of those who have yet to do the latter. They tell people to take action, any action because they are subconsciously talking to themselves, wishing they would get off of their ass.

My backup for that statement? I used to do it

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I agree. You caught me. I want to take massive action without the fear of failure.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

What's the point in taking action when it leads to you getting banned?

Wouldn't it have been better for him to take no action than an action that led to negative consequences.

I wish people would quit proclaiming, take action! But would rather encourage others to take intelligent productive action in logical steps.

Terra

without failing, how you can learn what is right and what is wrong. Dont know about you, but i have taken massive idiotic steps in my life. I wish i knew those steps will lead me to total failure.

I am not encouraging spammers to spam here. I think i want to look things positively.

I guess, now this topic should be transferred to Mind , self improvement section.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by ankur sharma

without failing, how you can learn what is right and what is wrong. Dont know about you, but i have taken massive idiotic steps in my life. I wish i knew those steps will lead me to total failure.

I am not encouraging spammers to spam here. I think i want to look things positively.

I guess, now this topic should be transferred to Mind , self improvement section.

Well, I'm quite confidant one can cut out a lot of failure if they just use a little common sense, or is it that common sense isn't so common anymore?

Just perusing this forum and reading some threads could eliminate blind failures, don't you think?

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Originally Posted by ankur sharma

without failing, how you can learn what is right and what is wrong. Dont know about you, but i have taken massive idiotic steps in my life. I wish i knew those steps will lead me to total failure.

Logical action leads to failure as well, and that's where the real lessons are learned. You are encouraging people to do something, anything so that they can say "I took action!"

Would you tell a butcher to cut off his own hand so that he could say "I finally started cutting meat! Oh..." He learned something, right? So that has to be a good thing! :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by ankur sharma

I am not encouraging spammers to spam here. I think i want to look things positively.

And what you have illustrated is that 100% positive thinking can be just as bad as 100% negative thinking, because you are coming off as encouraging towards this spammer. I doubt it is your intent; but the further you go to defend the point, the more the line becomes blurred.

Originally Posted by ankur sharma

I guess, now this topic should be transferred to Mind , self improvement section.

Eh.

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ankur sharma

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Joe Robinson

Logical action leads to failure as well, and that's where the real lessons are learned. You are encouraging people to do something, anything so that they can say "I took action!"

Would you tell a butcher to cut off his own hand so that he could say "I finally started cutting meat! Oh..." He learned something, right? So that has to be a good thing! :rolleyes:

And what you have illustrated is that 100% positive thinking can be just as bad as 100% negative thinking, because you are coming off as encouraging towards this spammer. I doubt it is your intent; but the further you go to defend the point, the more the line becomes blurred.

Eh.

The op is gone, i think there is no point of discussing it further. (Joe, i will see you in next round in some other thread.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

I wish people would quit proclaiming, take action! But would rather encourage others to take intelligent productive action in logical steps.

I had a thought about that just yesterday. :p

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by tpw

I had a thought about that just yesterday. :p

Thanks!

I read it, thanked it and commented on it!

Awesome post!

I made a post about the same thing about a week ago, albeit not as dramatic as yours.

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Originally Posted by Richard Van

I said this would end in tears.

Metrix9, if you leave quick enough now, you'll just be able to catch up with him on one of those forums you mentioned, be quick though, Twitter might get to him first.

Jolly good luck

Might be too late. They called in a favor from a friend, and he's fast.

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Rus Sells

14 years ago

I'm going to probably get close to the line here, BUT

Sell that stuff on your own site, not here! Stuff like this only enabled people to break other sites Terms of Service. Not good for the WF and not good for the buyers who might not understand the possible implications of what they are buying.

Originally Posted by TweetClone

Sorry bad english, i'm brazilian. I have a exactly clone of tweetattacks and i need to know if i can sell this in warriorforum or need some privileges to do that?

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by tpw

Sorry for your bad luck. Dude got banned from this forum.

Yeah.. hahaha

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Fraser SellHealth

14 years ago

Oh warriors , This is a great example of how shook scared most of you are and how you come down on someone that was willing to do something that you aren't.

First off there are tons of new twitter software's out there because there is a market for it. Why do you come down on someone for filling a need and want for people that loved TA ? yea he might run the risk himself but thats not your problem and 90% of the time you speaking from your personal fear...

Stop hatin on others peoples hustle

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MissTerraK 14 years ago

Please excuse me, but encouraging someone to continue on with something that is unethical, the obvious breaking of rules and a possible means of a huge lawsuit just to try and make money off of poor unsuspecting souls isn't very moral is it?

It seems to me you have it all backwards, egging someone on to continue in something that could lead to their demise is kind of hateful, don't you think? :rolleyes:

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  Why do you come down on someone for filling a need and want for people that loved TA?
  
  Maybe because we're sick of having perfectly useful communication channels polluted by the garbage these guys disgorge into them?
  
  Or getting caught up in the dragnets the owners of the sites have to create to keep that garbage out?
  
  Or maybe we just got sick of cheap rationalizations like this way back when people were still claiming that only haters opposed sending email spam.
  
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  lol sending out emails to your list is no different then sending tweets out to your followers, i think we need to agree that we are marketers trying to sell.
  
  Heres a quote from my hero Gary Vaynerchuk that pretty much sums it up " marketers ruin everything" email lists , twitter , facebook , cpa trials etc , selling ppl stuff they think they need.
  
  Lets be honest here guys jeez , my point is dont be so quick to say something is bad or not going to work just because you are to scared to execute.
  
  I encourage marketers to push the envelope, if we dont then we wont evolve.
  
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  lol sending out emails to your list is no different then sending tweets out to your followers
  
  Did the recipients of those emails ask for them? If so, that's true. If not, you're talking about spam. Very different things.
  
  Also, the forum does not have any prohibition in place against things that post only to your own pages at social sites, so the comment about Tweeting is irrelevant to the objections made.
  
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  I encourage marketers to push the envelope, if we dont then we wont evolve.
  
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14 years ago

Originally Posted by joseph7384

Why is it so hard to understand that the Warrior Forum does not condone the use of unethical practices.

We all realize that automated software makes life easier but there is a time and place for it for example, Market Samurai automates keyword research and competition analysis but you are not going to someones house and breaking their rules. Traffic bug is a bookmark manager and submission tool which is another acceptable automated software and how about video submission software, perfectly acceptable.

Anything that can be used as submitting mass spam will be frowned upon.

Well if you want to follow his hustle then go right ahead and you can enjoy your vacation brought to you by the ban hammer.

sorry , whos banning me from where ?

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by joseph7384

What's so hard to understand that statement, you said "Stop hatin on others peoples hustle" and I replied to go ahead and follow his hustle which means break the forum rules and you'll be banned.

What rule did i break ? speaking my mind is against Warrior Forum TS now

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by joseph7384

WOW! Talking to you is like talking to a wall, I did not say you broke any rules, I simply said that if you want to follow in his footsteps since you obviously agree with his logic then you can be banned for advocating this type of practice and obviously if you do not post unethical material then no harm done.

No point in continuing this back and forth bickering since we both can be more productive doing other tasks.

Yes you sir are also very painful to talk to.

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There are many uses for TA that dont involve spamming at all

How many (and which) of those functions are not available in free or lower-priced tools?

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SEOSoftworks

14 years ago

I think when you have this many experienced marketers telling you to "STOP" you should listen.

The senior members commenting here have probably a combined 100 years of IM experience (or close to it)...probably a good idea to listen to them.

Twitter's very sensitive to this type of activity, no way is it worth it.

This thread should convince any logical person of that.

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14 years ago

I think when you have this many experienced marketers telling you to "STOP" you should listen.

While I agree in this particular instance, the path to the conclusion is not logical.

This forum has, over the years, developed a "sense" of its own. Essentially, it has tended to attract people who dislike certain types of behavior and excluded people who like them.

Crowd-sourcing isn't a valid means of making decisions in an environment where the culture selects for certain opinions/preferences/beliefs.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

While I agree in this particular instance, the path to the conclusion is not logical.

This forum has, over the years, developed a "sense" of its own. Essentially, it has tended to attract people who dislike certain types of behavior and excluded people who like them.

Crowd-sourcing isn't a valid means of making decisions in an environment where the culture selects for certain opinions/preferences/beliefs.

Paul

This is my point exactly , you said this way better then i could.

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14 years ago

This is my point exactly

You might use my comments in an illogical way to buttress your assertions, but they're no more related than the one I just corrected.

"Don't follow the crowd just because it's a crowd" is not the same thing as "Violate contracts and abuse other people's resources in the name of free thinking."

Spamming doesn't make someone a "cool lone wolf" type. It makes them a destructive parasite.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

You might use my comments in an illogical way to buttress your assertions, but they're no more related than the one I just corrected.

"Don't follow the crowd just because it's a crowd" is not the same thing as "Violate contracts and abuse other people's resources in the name of free thinking."

Spamming doesn't make someone a "cool lone wolf" type. It makes them a destructive parasite.

Paul

Wow really ? see this is what i mean exactly but now i am the target.

First off we are talking about a product that started this thread which is a clone for Tweetattacks, which clearly none of you have used.

There are many uses for TA that dont involve spamming at all , so you should watch who you are judging before you accuse. I never used TA for spamming twitter , i used it to build quality followers in many niches by supplying quality content.

The users determine which way they wish to use the product , just like so many other IM products out there.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Fraser SellHealth

Wow really ? see this is what i mean exactly but now i am the target.

No one is attacking YOU.

Instead, they are attacking the point of view that you are trying to justify.

Originally Posted by Fraser SellHealth

First off we are talking about a product that started this thread which is a clone for Tweetattacks, which clearly none of you have used.

There are many uses for TA that dont involve spamming at all , so you should watch who you are judging before you accuse. I never used TA for spamming twitter , i used it to build quality followers in many niches by supplying quality content.

The users determine which way they wish to use the product , just like so many other IM products out there.

The whole argument about whether Tweet Attacks was a spam tool or an organization tool has been completely hashed and rehashed here.

I don't have to jump off of a cliff myself to know that jumping off of a cliff is a bad idea, just as I do not have to use Tweet Attacks myself to see HOW it could be used to spam Twitter, overtax Twitter's computing power, potentially crash Twitter's servers, annoy Twitter's users, and bring damage to Twitter's reputation in the marketplace.

If this clone for TweetAttacks was anticipated to be used for only non-spam purposes, then WHY would its maker so fervently suggest that he has Bullet-Proof Web Hosting and that since he lives in a foreign country, he is immune to legal actions?

Even TweetClone knew his software would be used as a tool to spam Twitter and that it would violate Twitter's TOS, yet he did not care.

And, you are trying to argue that the software will not be used in a manner that its creator seems to believe that it will be used? Strange.

In the original lawsuit, Twitter went after 5 software developers that enabled people to violate Twitter's TOS and bring harm to its service AND 2 people who used the software to spam the crap out of Twitter's service.

You have decided that we should not judge YOU as a spammer, even though you used Tweet Attacks happily. The only things for which we have to judge you as a person is what you say in this forum, and the disconnect between how you think TweetClone's software will be used and how TweetClone thinks his software will be used leaves me believing that I should judge you differently than I did before you joined the conversation in this thread.

Originally Posted by mosthost

Programs that aren't made for spam use the Twitter API and conform to the Twitter TOS.

If you are really trying to use third-party Twitter tools to communicate with your audience in a way that will not harm Twitter, then why not use one of those other Twitter automation tools that Twitter approves of you using, such as those that "utilize the Twitter API and conform to Twitter's TOS"?

Just some food for thought....

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SEOSoftworks

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

While I agree in this particular instance, the path to the conclusion is not logical.

This forum has, over the years, developed a "sense" of its own. Essentially, it has tended to attract people who dislike certain types of behavior and excluded people who like them.

Crowd-sourcing isn't a valid means of making decisions in an environment where the culture selects for certain opinions/preferences/beliefs.

Paul

Wise words Paul.

I wouldn't put blind faith in experience alone or act on something just because the crowd says so. Pushing the envelope is necessary, you just need to pick the right envelope.

Excellent point you raise though.

Andrew

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Samuel Symes

14 years ago

I think the criticism and singling out of a specific tool used for marketing on twitter and labelling it a non conforming spam tool is a little lopsided for this or any forum.

I believe most tools and WSOs don't conform to someone's TOS.

I have bought countless WSO's but here are just a few in the past couple of weeks.

1. An auto post content creator plugin. (auto content is against Google's TOS and is considered spamming by Google)
2. A mass blog creator which can create 1700 blog sites on auto pilot with unique content. (auto content is against Google's TOS and is considered spamming by Google)
3. A plugin which creates mass backlinks on auto pilot. (auto backlink creation is against Google's TOS and is considered spam by Google).
4. A plugin which creates mass YouTube videos to generate organic traffic. (Again against Google & YouTube TOS).

The majority of tools these days are automated and the majority simply do not conform to someone's TOS. Its simply the status quo in IM today.

To single out any one tool and damning it is not looking at the big picture.

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Paul Myers

14 years ago

Samuel,

1. An auto post content creator plugin. (auto content is against Google's TOS and is considered spamming by Google)

If you mean their policies for listing, there is no TOS. Google takes it upon themselves to spider the web, and you don't agree to anything at all in that regard. TOS is part of an agreement between parties. Google's choices regarding what is and is not listed are policies. Nothing more. Violate them and get caught and Google will drop you, sure. But that's their decision - unilateral action - and not the result of anyone breaking a contract.

Depending on how you do it, the YouTube stuff might be a violation of your contract with YouTube as a member of the service.

Paul

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Samuel Symes

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

Samuel,If you mean their policies for liting, there is no TOS. Google takes it upon themselves to spider the web, and you don't agree to anything at all in that regard. TOS is part of an agreement between parties. Google's choices regarding what is and is not listed are policies. Nothing more. Violate them and get caught and Google will drop you, sure. But that's their decision - unilateral action - and not the result of anyone breaking a contract.

Depending on how you do it, the YouTube stuff might be a violation of your contract with YouTube as a member of the service.
Paul

Paul, I fully agree and have always maintained the same argument. However, in doing so Google still would label me a spammer....with extreme prejudice. :-)

Is it any different for Twitter or Facebook?

.......I also recently bought a WSO which allows me to create countless Facebook accounts and add followers.

I guess that makes me a spammer. But then, my argument stands....aren't we all?

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Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Samuel Symes

Paul, I fully agree and have always maintained the same argument. However, in doing so Google still would label me a spammer....with extreme prejudice. :-)

Is it any different for Twitter or Facebook?

.......I also recently bought a WSO which allows me to create countless Facebook accounts and add followers.

I guess that makes me a spammer. But then, my argument stands....aren't we all?

I have a personal Facebook account that is private for me and my friends and family. I have a Twitter acct that I use as Twitter was intended to be used ... for reading a few bedtime Tweets for my own enjoyment. So when you say, "aren't we all?" ... uhhh ... no.

Twitter and Facebook both have specific TOS for their use. Google does not. If they don't like you, they don't list you, but you do not agree to any TOS when using Google (not including Google + and Youtube and whatever other obscure programs they have floating around. Google the search engine does not have TOS.

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14 years ago

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Paul Myers

14 years ago

Joseph,

You are forgetting one thing and that is that WSO'S are not part of the main Warrior Forum and that section is ran by someone else but wso's are still closed down for condoning dubious activity.

That could easily be misconstrued.

The WSO section is part of the forum. The payments for ad space there go to the owner of the forum, and products and ads there must comply with forum rules.

WarriorPlus/WSO Pro are not part of the forum in any way, and are not owned or endorsed by the owner of the forum.

WSOs are offers for products sold through ads here. Those transactions are between the buyers and sellers, and do not involve the forum as a party to the sale.

Paul

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Samuel Symes

I think the criticism and singling out of a specific tool used for marketing on twitter and labelling it a non conforming spam tool is a little lopsided for this or any forum.

I believe most tools and WSOs don't conform to someone's TOS.

I have bought countless WSO's but here are just a few in the past couple of weeks.

1. An auto post content creator plugin. (auto content is against Google's TOS and is considered spamming by Google)
2. A mass blog creator which can create 1700 blog sites on auto pilot with unique content. (auto content is against Google's TOS and is considered spamming by Google)
3. A plugin which creates mass backlinks on auto pilot. (auto backlink creation is against Google's TOS and is considered spam by Google).
4. A plugin which creates mass YouTube videos to generate organic traffic. (Again against Google & YouTube TOS).

The majority of tools these days are automated and the majority simply do not conform to someone's TOS. Its simply the status quo in IM today.

To single out any one tool and damning it is not looking at the big picture.

The forum has chosen not to challenge tools that violate the TOS of third-party websites, but instead, they have chosen to restrict the advertising of tools that meet the following criteria:

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

The new statement of the rule in the WSO section is: You may not sell any product here that endorses, enables, or facilitates the sending of unsolicited bulk messages via email, private messaging systems, or other channels meant for one-to-one communication, or for the spamming of forums, chat systems, or social networking sites.

Originally Posted by Samuel Symes

I think the criticism and singling out of a specific tool used for marketing on twitter and labelling it a non conforming spam tool is a little lopsided for this or any forum.

The vendor himself proved it to be a "non-conforming spam tool":

Originally Posted by TweetClone

I'm from Brazil and the servers are located in RUSSIA and CHINA!

Originally Posted by TweetClone

Here in my country, this is not a crime! Impossible to get sued by Twitter! And the servers will not get down, cause they are located in RUSSIA and CHINA!

We are not in U.S Jurisdiction. So it will be lasting and secure.

If you go back and review the record, early on, people were warning the OP of the potential of being sued by Twitter.

The OP did not care.

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Anoosh Kashefi

14 years ago

warrior forum > warrior special offer section > stickies (posts at the top)

Yes, you can. Got to pay.

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R Hagel 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Anoosh Kashefi

warrior forum > warrior special offer section > stickies (posts at the top)

Yes, you can. Got to pay.

Thank you for carefully reading this thread and taking all posts into consideration before replying. Your comments are much appreciated.

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- Paul Myers 14 years ago
  
  Samuel,
  
  I fully agree and have always maintained the same argument. However, in doing so Google still would label me a spammer....with extreme prejudice. :-)
  
  Very likely.
  
  Is it any different for Twitter or Facebook?
  
  Of course it is. With them, you agree to a contract. If you don't believe a user agreement qualifies, take a look at the documents linked earlier related to Twitter suing spammers.
  
  I also recently bought a WSO which allows me to create countless Facebook accounts and add followers.
  
  Link, please.
  
  I guess that makes me a spammer. But then, my argument stands....aren't we all?
  
  Nope.
  
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jakebvs85

14 years ago

It will most likely look like a spam tool. But then there's no harm trying. Let us know when you did and what happened. Thanks!

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Joseph Robinson Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Anoosh Kashefi

warrior forum > warrior special offer section > stickies (posts at the top)

Yes, you can. Got to pay.

Originally Posted by jakebvs85

It will most likely look like a spam tool. But then there's no harm trying. Let us know when you did and what happened. Thanks!

Thanks for reading the thread guys :rolleyes:.
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Paul Myers 14 years ago

Joseph,

I stand corrected and consider myself warned.

Warned? Nah. Corrected I'll go with, but no warnings intended or implied.

Paul
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