What to do with 'SOLD OUT' WSOs?

12 years ago

Yes I agree this loos like it is beginning to happen already as many WSOs end up being at a price similar to what you would expect to find elsewhere. Maybe it's not a bad thing as I'd rather encourage someone to create a higher quality WSO and change a higher price than a low quality one at a low price.

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Cali16 12 years ago

Well, it's obviously up to Allen. But, if it were up to me, I would say they should be removed / deleted from the WSO section because they are no longer "special offers". Otherwise, I can see this becoming abused more and more frequently - sellers using the WSO section for the exposure to sell their products at the regular price after just a small number are sold at the WSO price.
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J Bold

12 years ago

Report such a WSO as it no longer qualifies as a true WSO. If the mods agree, it will be shut down, right? I don't see the issue. Report it, and it's dealt with. Of course this should not happen as the WSO price needs to be the best price.

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WillR

12 years ago

Originally Posted by J Bold

Report such a WSO as it no longer qualifies as a true WSO. If the mods agree, it will be shut down, right? I don't see the issue. Report it, and it's dealt with. Of course this should not happen as the WSO price needs to be the best price.

Yes, that's the obvious answer.

I am instead asking what others feel should be the general rule in this type of situation. Not everything should be left up to the report button. Sometimes putting in new rules is a much better and less time consuming way to handle things like this.

Originally Posted by Rod Cortez

If the WSO price goes back up to what the "public at large" can now get, then my interpretation of the rules is that it should no longer be listed in the WSO forum and should be reported.

I can see exactly what would happen though.

WSO Sale price: $7

Regular Price outside the forum: $47

WSO price after sale: $46.99

Technically that would be allowed but not in the true spirit of the WSO forum.

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Cali16 12 years ago

Originally Posted by WillR

Technically that would be allowed but not in the true spirit of the WSO forum.

Perhaps the rules should include that all WSOs must be sold for at least XX% below the regular price. So, if the regular price is $47 and the WSO rule requires that it be sold for, say, at least 50% off that price, then the seller could never sell it for more than $23.50 in the WSO section.
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Rod Cortez

12 years ago

You post a very good question WillR. Which is why I always thought rule #3 in the WSO forum needs to be updated or worded differently for the sake of clarity:

3. A Warrior Special Offer Means The Price You Give Must Be Better Than The Price The Public At Large Can Get. (This is not a "buy my product" forum, it is a "Special Offer" forum)

If the WSO price goes back up to what the "public at large" can now get, then my interpretation of the rules is that it should no longer be listed in the WSO forum and should be reported.

I don't think we need a new rule, just that rule #3 needs some more detail.

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Ed Micah

12 years ago

My thoughts are that if the WSO price is getting raised up to reach the public price, the offer should be closed - as mentioned by other warriors, it fails to meet the criteria of being a WSO.

Although I do notice more and more people are doing this, perhaps this is another kind of strategy? I don't know, I'm just saying...

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WillR

12 years ago

Originally Posted by mrultra

Where have you been? What, 80%-90% of wsos aren't sold anywhere but the WSO forum to begin with, so for all intents and purposes, it already is a regular product marketplace. Somehow, against all odds, the WSO forum has managed to survive.

Perhaps the solution is to stop looking for problems that aren't really there.

I have been right here. Where have you been?

Please re-read my original post and you may just understand what we are actually talking about here.

The requirements of a WSO offer are that the deal being offered is better than that being offered elsewhere.

A product that is ONLY being offered in the WSO then, very obviously, fits those requirements... and that is NOT what I am talking about here.

I am referring to products that start out at a special WSO price and are then raised to meet the price being offered outside the forum. At that stage the product no longer meets the requirements of the WSO forum and should therefor not remain in the WSO section.

Capiche?

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HN

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by mrultra

, 80%-90% of wsos aren't sold anywhere but the WSO forum to begin with, so for all intents and purposes, it already is a regular product marketplace. Somehow, against all odds, the WSO forum has managed to survive.

That's what I was thinking , too. How many WSO's are even being offered elsewhere? If that was a requirement sellers would probably create bogus sites to list the product at higher price somewhere on www and qualify for WSO. How would you deal with that? Require a proof that it has sold at least once at a higher price? If it ain't broken, don't fix it. I don't see a problem here.

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Kay King

12 years ago

It's a logical question - but should be aimed at the help desk or a mod.

We don't have the authority to opine on what should happen or to interpret what is "meant by" the rules.

It's a problem due to the perpetual nature of WSO's today. They used to run for a specified number of weeks - now they run and run and run. I've seen some with the increasing price structure that ended up selling for more than they were sold elsewhere.

My opinion is that unless the price is below that offered to the public, the WSO should be listed as "closed". But today- WSOs are available to the public through the affiliate program...so my thinking may be wrong.

kay

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Jill Carpenter

12 years ago

Originally Posted by mrultra

Perhaps the solution is to stop looking for problems that aren't really there.

When did it become a crime to care about what is going on in your own backyard?

Originally Posted by fin

Obviously they shouldn't be allowed to bump it.

I can't really see the problem with it staying there and I don't know how you'd moderate it.

I like this idea (no bump allowed) - and here is why. If I have paid for a thread, then it is mine. That thread may appear in someones wild search and can still direct traffic back to me. It can still be used for advertising purposes - and if done right you just direct the payment button to the final price/sales page.

Originally Posted by BIG Mike

I would assume, (but you know what that means), that the seller would want to close the WSO at that point anyway. If not, I guess reporting it should suffice, again assuming, that the price is the only qualifier on the WSO.

Some kind of written amendment could be added - and perhaps there can be one that is for general use of all WSO's that fall into this category. If a WSO is spotted that concerns someone, then a mod could pop the notice on but it is up to the seller to add forwarding links.

You don't want to lock the thread and you don't really want to delete information that might point people to a help desk etc. But if someone said to me to copy and paste this paragraph to all my sold out or price hiked WSO's that would make it easy:

"This special offer is no longer available at a special price, and the author of this thread may not be monitoring comments. Please seek their help desk if you are looking for assistance, or try the redirect provided below to see the current product"

[insert product site here]

Or something of this sort.

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maz1207

12 years ago

I would contact the seller if by any chance he will sell it to us since Warriors will help each other...Right? That's what i think...

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rhondaklewis

12 years ago

Maybe the offer should be closed
and if the owner of the wso is agreeable it
Could be moved to the war room for free.

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rosetrees

12 years ago

Originally Posted by mrultra

Where have you been? What, 80%-90% of wsos aren't sold anywhere but the WSO forum

Originally Posted by WillR

The requirements of a WSO offer are that the deal being offered is better than that being offered elsewhere.

A product that is ONLY being offered in the WSO then, very obviously, fits those requirements... and that is NOT what I am talking about here.

How can a product that isn't offered elsewhere fit those requirements? If it isn't offered anywhere else it CANNOT be cheaper than the price offered elsewhere.

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Anonymous Affiliate

12 years ago

Question: what exactly would be the problem with the WSO section becoming a regular market place, without the "warrior discount" component once that initial promotion is gone?

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fin 12 years ago

Obviously they shouldn't be allowed to bump it.

I can't really see the problem with it staying there and I don't know how you'd moderate it.
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- Philip John 12 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by fin
  
  Obviously they shouldn't be allowed to bump it.
  
  Bumps are useless now, anyway (in terms of getting eyeballs to see your offer)
  
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  Mike Roncone 12 years ago
  
  This is actually a really good point. I believe that one of the most important things is the spirit of the WSO forum.
  
  I understand that people are doing these special offers to make their buck while providing a useful service to the other members, but when the "special offer" is no longer a special offer, does that not disqualify it from the forum?
  
  The point was brought up however, that even a penny less is still a special offer. However, as it has been said that is not really in the spirit of the forum, and as such I believe it should be penalized/possibly removed from the WSO section.
  
  I don't see a reason why the price can't remain a significant (but not necessarily substantial) amount lower than outside product price. After all, the point of posting it as a WSO was to offer it at a lower price!
  
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Fermina

12 years ago

As is says the WSO section is for Special Offers only and it should stay that way.

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Streamforline

12 years ago

Many offer you subscribe to their list to get informed when they realease new version or more copies available. I did a few times, but for me that never happend.

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WillR

12 years ago

Originally Posted by rosetrees

How can a product that isn't offered elsewhere fit those requirements? If it isn't offered anywhere else it CANNOT be cheaper than the price offered elsewhere.

This has been discussed many many times over. Obviously if a product is not being sold elsewhere then the price it is being sold for on the WSO forum is the lowest price. The main point of a WSO is that the price being offered here is THE best price for that product.

I don't make the rules here, the admin do and that's their take on things.

Originally Posted by Anonymous Affiliate

Question: what exactly would be the problem with the WSO section becoming a regular market place, without the "warrior discount" component once that initial promotion is gone?

The same reason a department store has huge spikes in numbers during sale periods. People nowadays purposely seek out discounts. That's the whole point of the WSO section and it's why it has gone so well. People know when coming here they will find products that cannot be found elsewhere at the same price. You are getting THE best deal.

Once you lose that distinction the marketplace becomes no different to any other and traffic would most likely go down. If people come here and start to find a lot of products at regular prices then it gives them less reason and less incentive to return... certainly not as often as they do nowadays.

Can you imagine how successful Groupon would be if all they offered were regular priced deals? Do you think they would be as popular as they are now?

Simple answer. No.

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rosetrees

12 years ago

Originally Posted by WillR

This has been discussed many many times over. Obviously if a product is not being sold elsewhere then the price it is being sold for on the WSO forum is the lowest price. The main point of a WSO is that the price being offered here is THE best price for that product.

It's been discussed many times, but you never seen to listen to anyone's opinion but your own. You don't know what admin think any more than I do. And you don't always have to be right (anymore than I do), even though you apparently think you are

"Lowest", as I'm sure you do know really, is a comparative term. If there is a "lowest" there must also be a "higher" price somewhere.

In the case of WSOs not offered elsewhere, there is no higher price.

I suspect the reason they are "allowed" is simply that the mods have never got around to cleaning up the wso section.

Why should someone who initially offers a lower price, but then raises it, be penalised compared with those who never offered a lower price in the first place?

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Myles Sinclair

12 years ago

Originally Posted by rosetrees

"Lowest", as I'm sure you do know really, is a comparative term. If there is a "lowest" there must also be a "higher" price somewhere.

In the case of WSOs not offered elsewhere, there is no higher price.

Sorry Will, Rose wins the argument. Her logic is flawless! IMHO of course.

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JudyKarmann

12 years ago

Originally Posted by WillR

So, what should happen to these offers at this time? Should they then be closed down? Should they be allowed to continue to sell when they no longer fit the criteria of a WSO?

I think they should be discontinued.

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sammib01

12 years ago

Hi Will,

The WarriorForum should not be a graveyard for dead WSOs. That is true. Rose has a good point if the SYSTEM allows it who are we "the little ones" to say No the system is wrong. If the mods clean up after the party is over then all is well. Yes I know they have better things to do but would it not be possible to limit the time a WSO is OPEN. To put in the code this WSO is from ______ to ______.

Just a thought....

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GarrieWilson

12 years ago

WSO rules need to be updated because it IS a "buy my product" forum now . Some people create sites w/ no intent on marketing the site, others don't bother. The general public can and do order. Especially since affiliates cames on the scene.

Personaly, I'd love to see a true WSO section added back. Make it only visible to members and the offers get deleted after X time. No bumps. No affiliates. Maybe even members can only offer one a month.

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williamk

Banned 12 years ago

Rod has put it in a really good manner. The sold out WSO are in my opinion a marketing trick. If it was sold out then how do they sell it again some time later.

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Rod Cortez

12 years ago

Originally Posted by williamk

Rod has put it in a really good manner. The sold out WSO are in my opinion a marketing trick. If it was sold out then how do they sell it again some time later.

Just to clarify my post, that's not what I was referring to at all. My main point was that if someone has a product already selling on a website that they own, let's say for example's sake, a $97 piece of software. They then make a WSO for about half off so now it's $49 that's a real Warrior Special Offer.

Four months go by and the WSO is still running, but the price is now $97. That is no longer a WSO and it should be closed or at least the seller should be alerted to advise the price now matches what is on their non-WSO website / url / blog / whatever. That's all.

RoD

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Mike Hill

12 years ago

Originally Posted by williamk

Rod has put it in a really good manner. The sold out WSO are in my opinion a marketing trick. If it was sold out then how do they sell it again some time later.

Marketing trick... please! It's sold out at that price point. Not to mention some WSO's are very large (like mine) and it takes a lot of my own personal time to spend with customers helping them with their questions.

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Mike Hill

12 years ago

Originally Posted by WillR

I have seen his happen a couple of times of late in the WSO forum.

A WSO is launched offering a discounted price when compared to the price the product is being sold for outside of the forum. That's great and that's exactly what the WSO forum is all about.

The discount runs for a certain period of time after which the price then returns to match the price being offered outside of the forum. This is clearly stated at the time of launch and that's perfectly acceptable.

However at the completion of the sale period the WSO no longer really qualifies as a WSO offer since the price now matches that being offered elsewhere.

So, what should happen to these offers at this time? Should they then be closed down? Should they be allowed to continue to sell when they no longer fit the criteria of a WSO?

My thoughts are that if this practice becomes more and more frequent the WSO section will slowly start to look more and more like a regular product marketplace. If people see more and more products being offered here at their regular price then it starts to detract from the whole point of the WSO forum.

Your thoughts?

You say in your subject line "SOLD OUT" so this would mean that the WSO's in question are no longer selling their product at this time as a WSO.

What's to say they do not re-open the WSO in the future at a reduced price? Or that the price on the product outside of the forum will raise as they might be currently testing price points outside of the forum?

My WSO is currently Sold Out at that price but I may in fact come back later and re-open the WSO later in the future. Of course it will be at a lower price than what I am offering it outside the WSO forum so I don't see an issue with this.

The price I will re-open at (if I decide to) in the WSO forum will be at the last price point in which I closed it at. (or higher).

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