Are You Guys Still Spinning Articles?

by QWE
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If so, what do you use and how much spin will bypass Google's radar? :rolleyes:
#articles #guys #spinning
  • Profile picture of the author AZMD
    It's best not to spin articles. If Google doesn't already they will filter out the trash that spinning creates. Even a top of the line spinner will product junk that humans will not enjoy reading so you'll need to rewrite most of the article to make it right. You might as well just write it from scratch yourself or pay a quality copywriter to do the job for you.

    Just concentrate on writing quality articles that people will really enjoy and learn from and then syndicate them.
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    • Profile picture of the author oursmartweb
      Originally Posted by AZMD View Post

      It's best not to spin articles. If Google doesn't already they will filter out the trash that spinning creates. Even a top of the line spinner will product junk that humans will not enjoy reading so you'll need to rewrite most of the article to make it right. You might as well just write it from scratch yourself or pay a quality copywriter to do the job for you.

      Just concentrate on writing quality articles that people will really enjoy and learn from and then syndicate them.
      Great, but how do you syndicate them properly? I've got AMR, and several email accounts. The biggest confusion I have about syndication is: do you post articles word-for-word, change it up a bit, and what is a proper example of a great looking resource box looks like? Do I give credit to the author (as myself) in the resource box?


      I'd love a little insight. I want to get away from spinning.

      Thanks.
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        spin wisely Google penguin is watchinng.
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  • Profile picture of the author DerekGann
    I am not using it. As Google has updated, it has no value now. Better I do it manually, I write article my self and it has great value to SEs.
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  • Profile picture of the author Anoosh Kashefi
    I do spin my articles. Just spun a few articles the other night as a matter of fact.

    Spinning has become more of an art, rather than just throwing some words in a doc and clicking a few buttons.

    Nowadays I hand spin manually or outsource someone to do it for me, which can cost a pretty penny or a long time. Either way, it is better than writing 10 articles over and over.

    I like to spin each sentence 4+ times, and do nested variations as well. Seems to work fine, as I am doing a case study on one of my niche sites right now. Ranking on page one and only going up as far as I can see.

    I am doing other SEO, though. No negative effects from the spun articles that I have seen yet.
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    • Profile picture of the author RhondaG
      I have clients that still request spinning from me, however, they know that I don't spin by words. I actually spin by sentence which mean you can write each sentence two more times, making three new sentences. When I spin this way my articles are 98 to 100% unique and completely easy to read and they make perfect sense.

      Basically it's writing the same article three different ways but it seems to work for my clients. I guess it's just a personal preference if you want to spin or not. For my own personal items I spin by sentence, and then take each article and add a little something different to them which takes me about 10 minutes.
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      • Profile picture of the author CyndiRae
        Originally Posted by RhondaG View Post

        I have clients that still request spinning from me, however, they know that I don't spin by words. I actually spin by sentence which mean you can write each sentence two more times, making three new sentences. When I spin this way my articles are 98 to 100% unique and completely easy to read and they make perfect sense.

        Basically it's writing the same article three different ways but it seems to work for my clients. I guess it's just a personal preference if you want to spin or not. For my own personal items I spin by sentence, and then take each article and add a little something different to them which takes me about 10 minutes.
        Thanks for sharing your system. I will try it! I jsut started spinning and realized it wasn't working out well so ... I was doing each by hand picking the word or phase...seemed to work a lot better. But I really like your sentence spin system and adding new.
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    • Profile picture of the author eunibea
      Originally Posted by Anoosh Kashefi View Post

      I do spin my articles. Just spun a few articles the other night as a matter of fact.

      Spinning has become more of an art, rather than just throwing some words in a doc and clicking a few buttons.

      Nowadays I hand spin manually or outsource someone to do it for me, which can cost a pretty penny or a long time. Either way, it is better than writing 10 articles over and over.

      I like to spin each sentence 4+ times, and do nested variations as well. Seems to work fine, as I am doing a case study on one of my niche sites right now. Ranking on page one and only going up as far as I can see.

      I am doing other SEO, though. No negative effects from the spun articles that I have seen yet.
      Which niche are you in? I want to same way as you do.
      I thought that it is not going to work.
      Advise me on the better way to do it. My niche is health and my site is at totalhealtharticles dot com [Total Health Articles]
      Can you pm me.
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    • Profile picture of the author johnsie57259
      Originally Posted by Anoosh Kashefi View Post

      I do spin my articles. Just spun a few articles the other night as a matter of fact.

      Spinning has become more of an art, rather than just throwing some words in a doc and clicking a few buttons.

      Nowadays I hand spin manually or outsource someone to do it for me, which can cost a pretty penny or a long time. Either way, it is better than writing 10 articles over and over.

      I like to spin each sentence 4+ times, and do nested variations as well. Seems to work fine, as I am doing a case study on one of my niche sites right now. Ranking on page one and only going up as far as I can see.

      I am doing other SEO, though. No negative effects from the spun articles that I have seen yet.
      Agree. Spinning articles has become an art. No more can you just click 'auto spin' and you get a piece of junk that's acceptable!

      I write 4 articles. Then divide them into 4 equal parts with headers like [PART1], [PART2], etc. So that each part has similar or non conflicting/repeated information. Then I spin each articles sentences and words. The I put all the parts together. I'm then left with a 85-90% spun article with a different number of paragraphs, sentences, commas, periods, etc etc for each spin. Each spin is 100% readable and sounds like it was written by a person. I then use this to auto submit to wikis and some article sites as well as manually submit to some of the better article sites, e.g. articlesbase, ezinearticles, etc.

      I've never noticed any negative effects by doing this. In fact, quite the opposite. I've always done this, diversified my backlinks with different anchor texts and platforms that I post to and didn't suffer any problems with Panda or Penguin. In fact, quite the opposite. Got better rankings!
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  • Profile picture of the author Miguelito203
    Originally Posted by QWE View Post

    If so, what do you use and how much spin will bypass Google's radar? :rolleyes:
    Spinning articles isn't effective anymore. You either need to write it yourself or outsource it and have someone else to do it for you. Since I'm cheap, I write it myself...ha, ha, ha. The cool thing is the better that you know your niche, the easier it is to do. I can practically type from my head. Unique, quality content that offers value to the end user is what the search engines look for.

    Good luck,
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  • Profile picture of the author Adrianne_
    I agree that spinning is definitely an art. I don't exactly have
    enough patience to get past the learning curve. Writing
    articles is still a great way to produce quality traffic, but
    spinning is pretty much a personal preference and must
    be done the right way to be effective.
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  • Profile picture of the author The Magician
    When I used to write articles for spinning, I kept my thesaurus next to my keyboard. Nesting spins or spinning by clause (never thought to spin by sentence -- clever!) pushed the uniqueness of each article upwards of 80%, which is close enough for government work. Offset that with longer, more valuable content and you've got a winner.

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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      "Spinning" is probably the most widely misunderstood subject in the whole of internet marketing. (And there are reasons for that).

      The truth is that (with only very, very occasional, very, very specific exceptions), you're not going to get any benefits from the spinning that you couldn't have got just as easily without the spinning. It continues to mislead people, because in forums, people make posts claiming that they've received benefits from spinning, not aware of the reality that they could actually have had the same benefits without the spinning.

      If anyone's open-minded enough (often they're not, I know) to want look at the reality, instead of the myths, these six links might help ...

      (i) This post explains the benefits of spinning;

      (ii) This post, and its links, explain how article directories really work and why they exist;

      (iii) The first half (or so) of this thread contains a good discussion of what you can gain from spinning articles;

      (iv) The advice on this subject given by so many people throughout most of this thread has been really helpful to many people here;

      (v) On the meaning and significance of "duplicate content", in this context, this little post from expert article marketer Anne Pottinger includes direct quotations from Google's WebMaster Central Blog on the subject (not easy to find a more authoritative source than that!);

      (vi) This little article is also a very useful and accurate explanation of the subject.
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      • Profile picture of the author goindeep
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        "Spinning" is probably the most widely misunderstood subject in the whole of internet marketing. (And there are reasons for that).

        The truth is that (with only very, very occasional, very, very specific exceptions), you're not going to get any benefits from the spinning that you couldn't have got just as easily without the spinning. It continues to mislead people, because in forums, people make posts claiming that they've received benefits from spinning, not aware of the reality that they could actually have had the same benefits without the spinning.

        If anyone's open-minded enough (often they're not, I know) to want look at the reality, instead of the myths, these six links might help ...

        (i) This post explains the benefits of spinning;

        (ii) This post, and its links, explain how article directories really work and why they exist;

        (iii) The first half (or so) of this thread contains a good discussion of what you can gain from spinning articles;

        (iv) The advice on this subject given by so many people throughout most of this thread has been really helpful to many people here;

        (v) On the meaning and significance of "duplicate content", in this context, this little post from expert article marketer Anne Pottinger includes direct quotations from Google's WebMaster Central Blog on the subject (not easy to find a more authoritative source than that!);

        (vi) This little article is also a very useful and accurate explanation of the subject.
        Pretty much agree with Alexa here.

        Although I personally do not like the idea of spinning articles and spun articles themselves I have seen some well spun articles.

        The point Alexa makes is spot on. Why put all your energy, time and money into spinning an article when you can put that same energy, time and money into writing a brand new unique high quality articles.

        There is also a massive risk you take in spinning content. Search engines are becoming better and better at figuring out if an article has been spun and anyone that has been in the business for any amount of time can tell you that droves of article marketers that have spun their content had their businesses either totally wiped out or at least had shreds cut off of it when Google began upgrading their algorithm to take into account things related to spun articles.
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  • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
    Originally Posted by QWE View Post

    If so, what do you use and how much spin will bypass Google's radar? :rolleyes:
    I am still using spinning (via a proprietary setup) on a handful of my Amazon review sites. They have survived most Panda updates and Penguin. Most of them (even the autoblogs) are still ranking very well for my targeted products.

    Alexa is right. This is a widely misunderstood strategy.
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  • Profile picture of the author contentwriting360
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    As a content provider, we don't spin articles and we don't accept any project that requires us to spin content. That's a no-no. A writer can't put her style, feeling, and 'soul' if we require her to spin content. We got to remember that we write for humans; not for machines. Let's say you read a blog on website A. Would you like to read the same story on Website B? Definitely, your answer is a 'no.'
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  • Profile picture of the author dapex
    some people still want to grab a PLR article and do a simple spin and think its fine.. its not... spinning can still be fine to do , but it takes a lot more time and effort nowadays and personally I find it easiet to write a new article....
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  • Profile picture of the author ghostrecon
    Instead of spinning per se, I just socially submit my article(s) and cross link between them. This way it appears as though the article is just naturally being shared around/retweeted etc.
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    • Profile picture of the author tonyB222
      Originally Posted by ghostrecon View Post

      Instead of spinning per se, I just socially submit my article(s) and cross link between them. This way it appears as though the article is just naturally being shared around/retweeted etc.

      sorry ghostrecon what do you mean exactly

      can yu give me a detailed example thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author thebitbotdotcom
    I have in the past, but I haven't been lately.

    Viral content works much, much better...and by viral content, I am referring to link bait and click bait on subjects that really matter to people.

    It's much more fun...
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  • Profile picture of the author prismkuet
    I gave up spinning articles after Panda update, with the fear that if I do, it may through me out of internet marketing. For fist few days, it was tough to develop new articles, but after few days, now I am working less but with genuine article.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by prismkuet View Post

      I gave up spinning articles after Panda update, with the fear that if I do, it may through me out of internet marketing. For fist few days, it was tough to develop new articles, but after few days, now I am working less but with genuine article.
      Are you sure about that?

      I ask because the first few sentences of the first article/item on your website - posted less than a month ago - have definitely been spun, and they've been posted there directly as they came out of a spinner (I think I can even tell which one), with no attempt at editing by an English-speaker. They're not by any stretch of the imagination readable English.
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      • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        Are you sure about that?

        I ask because the first few sentences of the first article/item on your website - posted less than a month ago - have definitely been spun, and they've been posted there directly as they came out of a spinner (I think I can even tell which one), with no attempt at editing by an English-speaker. They're not by any stretch of the imagination readable English.
        I think this deserves a good look.

        Originally Posted by prismkuet View Post

        I gave up spinning articles after Panda update, with the fear that if I do, it may through me out of internet marketing. For fist few days, it was tough to develop new articles, but after few days, now I am working less but with genuine article.
        You see, your English is quite good above, I understand it. Now look below, which is after Penguin, let alone Panda!

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        That is not an example of bad English, that is an example of a spinning that gives spinning the bad reaction it often gets.

        I'd really make sure you disable your signature before you post comments like that.

        On second thoughts, this is a joke...right?
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        • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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          Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

          On second thoughts, this is a joke...right?
          Unintentional comedy counts? Well heck, I should have my own Comedy Central special by now then!
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    • Profile picture of the author cjreynolds
      Originally Posted by prismkuet View Post

      I gave up spinning articles after Panda update, with the fear that if I do, it may through me out of internet marketing. For fist few days, it was tough to develop new articles, but after few days, now I am working less but with genuine article.
      OMG!!! You gotta be pullin our leg! The site in your sig... I'm speechless
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      • Profile picture of the author Joni D
        Originally Posted by cjreynolds View Post

        OMG!!! You gotta be pullin our leg! The site in your sig... I'm speechless
        I agree cj, that content made me laugh, it makes no sense LOL.

        I bought matt carters Rapid Rewriter and it spins by sentence and by each word but found even with this you have to go through the article and correct it so it reads well.
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  • Profile picture of the author NicheLinks
    Article spinning was never my preference and never used article spinners and re-writers, as these tools generally creates messy content, and none of the sentence is grammatically correct. Sometimes, the spun articles becomes completely meaningless, and you will have to make extra efforts to correct the meaning of each line. In my opinion, it is better to write a fresh article on your own, rather than using the spinning tools.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Gray
    I manually spin at 75% or over unique, takes ages but well worth it imo

    I use The Spin Wizard

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  • Profile picture of the author Mark72
    I still spin my articles by hand sometimes using Magic Article Rewriter.

    I always make sure that they read well no matter how many times I click the spin button though.

    For this sort of thing to work now your articles need to be both unique AND high quality.
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    • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
      Originally Posted by Mark72 View Post


      For this sort of thing to work now your articles need to be both unique AND high quality.
      This is the problem MOST people have when trying to spin. There are very few who can spin but produce quality at the same time.

      And of course, the immediate conclusion is:

      "I don't know how to do it" = "It can't be done"
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  • Profile picture of the author SEOwen
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    Hello,

    I don't agree with this method, Article Spinning is a waste of time, I prefer to use article re-writing.
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    • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
      Originally Posted by SEOwen View Post

      Hello,

      I don't agree with this method, Article Spinning is a waste of time, I prefer to use article re-writing.
      Like I said:

      "I don't know how to do it" = "It can't be done"
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      • Profile picture of the author WhiteDevil
        I this google penguin updated, i heard it is not an effective anymore
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    ugh.... smh

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  • Profile picture of the author cashdoe
    i think spinning articles are a waste of time now, i prefer to write them 100% nature.
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  • Profile picture of the author ddev
    As google can analyze that the structure of a rewritten article (call it "B") came from another article (call it "A"), traditional spinning doesn't help anymore. Instead it's a good idea to combine a content generator with a rewriter (one that rewrites by sentences).
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  • Profile picture of the author MarketItAll
    It cracks me up that people say spinning doesn't work anymore.

    I got over a quarter million since the panda\penguin update combo to say it does still work.

    Of course that's hand spinning though, not ****ty machine spins.
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  • Profile picture of the author Peru101
    I think spinning is useful depending on the quality of the spun article. I don't use it for my sites, but for backlinks it's ok.

    The type of spinning that The Leading Articles and Article Builder offer is what I use because it's entirely different snippets of text. AB has come out with their own case study where they published the articles on their blog and all were indexed and bringing over 1,000 visitors. Same with TLA, but that was before this mess.
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    Nooo... no spinning articles over here my dude. Incredibly ineffective.
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  • Profile picture of the author murphyslaw
    Article re-writes are much better. It seems counter productive to use spun articles (especially noticeable ones) if you're trying to engage real people.
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  • Profile picture of the author prroger
    I've yet to find an article spinner that can do a better job of rewriting than I can do or the various writers and editors can do. Spinning is not rewriting. Its clumsy substitution. Not long-term gain like have with a little work.
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    • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
      Originally Posted by prroger View Post

      Its clumsy substitution.
      Not when it's done properly.
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  • Profile picture of the author Webfire1
    Originally Posted by QWE View Post

    If so, what do you use and how much spin will bypass Google's radar? :rolleyes:
    Yeah I still spin articles using an article spinner from webfire.com. However, when I say spinning, it's really starting with a quality article and then rewriting each sentence a number of times in the spinner, so that it is rewritten and then the spinner creates the different articles.

    I think people get the idea that you can just slap something into some software and it will come out legible and readable. It's really like garbage in and garbage out. Write a high quality article and rewrite the sentences the same in the software and the spins will come out readable.

    70% or higher works. Even after spinning the article, it's still good to go through each individual spin and edit it, making sure it makes sense and always make sure the title is unique. It's kind of a hybrid of rewriting and spinning.
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  • Profile picture of the author smodha
    I spin articles manually because I like to write my own content. Plus I think I have a great personality which shows in my creative writing.

    If you want your potential customers to buy from you then you have to seduce them. Automated article spinning removes that fun (plus you'll probably get tanked by Google sooner or later)...
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  • Profile picture of the author BrentDotCom
    All this article spinning is confusing me. I have a site with 100 subdomains (geographic localities). I have posted a couple different articles to each of the sites and most still rank near the top of the first page for those moderately long tailed keywords. Writing 100 completely unique articles is out of the question. Spinning something well enough for 100 different sites is assuredly a ton of work, but is a lot easier than a different one for each site...I'm wondering if I even need to spin anything at all.
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  • Profile picture of the author tooAlive
    Think about this...

    Would you enjoy reading a spun article?

    I personally wouldn't.

    That's why I don't spin articles for my readers. Yeah, it may bring me traffic - But what are those readers going to get from me once they arrive on my website? A pile of unoriginal, unattractive, uninformative, and uninteresting slop of text? I don't think so.
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  • Profile picture of the author fedor50
    Originally Posted by QWE View Post

    If so, what do you use and how much spin will bypass Google's radar? :rolleyes:
    Why don't you focus on producing high quality articles that can help your visitors instead of looking for a shortcut or a quick fix. Focus on providing value to your readers instead manipulating Google's search engine
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  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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    My head keeps spinning every time this thread comes back.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve Hunt
      I have to agree with Alexa Smith, spinning articles is an art ....I still spin my articles but go through it manually, it may take a bit more time but everything passes copyscape and I have never had any problems.
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  • Profile picture of the author BloggingPro
    Stopped spinning in 2009 and started writing my own articles. I've always found it to be easier to just reword my own damn article if I need to post it elsewhere, which these days is pretty rare.

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  • Profile picture of the author repstein
    Now that Google has a way of detecting these spun articles, I don’t think it’s worth the risk. Besides, spinning articles produces subpar, and even untruthful and misleading, content that no one likes to read. Why untruthful? Because when certain words change (i.e. "some" to "most" or "possibly" to "certainly") the truth claims of your sentences also change.

    That’s not a good way to sustain repeat visitors to your site. If I want to submit unique articles to directories, I recommend manually rewriting them to make sure that every sentence makes sense.
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  • Profile picture of the author CtrlAltRage
    I'm getting the impression that spinning articles to have quality and relevancy takes too much time. Why not take the time it would take you to spin an effective article and create one naturally?

    On top of that, writing always gets my creative juices flowing. I'd rather worry about me getting writer's block, outsourcing to a credible writer and hope for the best than spin an article, read it, re-spin it, re-read it. etc. etc.

    I don't know anything about spun content let alone just scratching the surface of SEO.

    But those are my two cents.
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  • Profile picture of the author ymest
    No article spinning and no article re-writing! Learn to write your own! Use your imagination! Use your wits! Use your gifts! Use your talent! Do some research!
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  • Profile picture of the author Online Guru
    After panda update, Spinning articles isn't effective anymore.
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  • Profile picture of the author SeoDemon
    don't spin, write your own content, spun articles are useless
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  • Profile picture of the author greatestmj
    I have used The Best Spinner in the past but later learnt that only manual spinning is effective. Spin yourself on paragraph and sentence level.
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    • Profile picture of the author therichb
      Originally Posted by greatestmj View Post

      I have used The Best Spinner in the past but later learnt that only manual spinning is effective. Spin yourself on paragraph and sentence level.
      Best Spinner - The WOW Software I have ever found, helps me a lot.

      Lets me work consistently on spinning & even helped me to learn SPINTAX sentences which now I can market to my niche & getting good business from last 6+ months.

      I love to use them most of the time whenever a bulk project is assigned to me.
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    I don't see anything wrong with spinning but I prefer to spin manually. So yes, I write my own articles and I spin them manually. This shouldn't affect the quality of my articles.
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    I spin articles but not for my money site for tier 1 backlinks. I will write an article for ezine, post it get it indexed (so the stronger link is accredited as the original if any duplicate content is seen in Google's eyes) and then create a spin for an auto approve article directory.

    Don't seem to have hit any negative consequences as of yet.
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  • Profile picture of the author seanocoso
    I write all of my articles manually, and it works quite well, generates alot of traffic
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