'Outsourcing' homework trend...?

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I've noticed an interesting trend...

Seems more and more students (or rather "rich" students), are turning to outsourcing their homework... Getting people to write essays for them, complete projects/business plans, etc.

In some ways it's quite smart -- because you can easily find an "expert" in the topic (i.e., if you are a first year computer science student and have a project/essay, their are plenty of "software engineers" with over 20+ coding experience that could do the assignment in their sleep for $50, which some of these students are ready & willing to pay)... but, some of them are even willing to pay $200, $300, etc... to get their homework done for them.

Obviously it's not right... It's smart -- but the purpose of doing homework is to learn... Do you think the pressures of "getting a degree" to get a job are so great that it justifies outsourcing your homework? And... what do you think about the unfair advantage that it gives "rich" kids over "poor" kids in terms of competitiveness, or do you see any disadvantage at all?

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  • Profile picture of the author Lewis Turner
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    • Profile picture of the author JamesFraze
      I understand the ethics dilemma but there is a far greater skill to learn than the skill itself:

      How to build a team of people more skilled than yourself.

      Personally I wish I would of taken the "people skill" route instead of the "do it yourself" route. I am currently capped on a 24 hour day pay limit because I am only beginning to learn how to rely on others to do my technical work.
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  • It's totally unethical. Essentially it's stealing a qualification. A qualification shows that you have skills and knowledge in an area. That's entirely different from showing that you know (or can pay) someone with skills and knowledge in the area.

    There's a whole host of discussion on 'contract cheating' across the Internet which covers this area in depth.

    There's also a trend, especially in the UK where I'm familiar with the educational system, that anyone caught outsourcing work will be dismissed from their studies. It is against every code of conduct, both signed and implicit, in education. If you've invested years in your education, even if you plan to go into Internet Marketing, then getting caught contract cheating is the worst investment you'd ever make.
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    • Profile picture of the author JamesFraze
      I think the only thing certifications and education are good for is being a slave to someone else that knows how to manage people and make the "real money".

      Granted, I have a wall full of certifications that I earned - but I'm just now beginning to understand that with just a bit more courage - I could doing easier types of work that do not change (managing people), and leveraging other people's time instead of spending 14 hour days studying technical stuff.

      There will always be someone who is willing to completely forego their social life to "1 up" you in the technical areas. So if you are competing for a job, you are competing against someone willing to trade their family and freedom for a J.O.B.

      I agree that hiring someone to do your research is a misrepresentation - but I think you miss the main point - there is a greater skill to learn than the skill itself. I think you only need enough knowledge to know who to hire and evaluate their effectiveness. You pay them, they do the work, and you make a deal for 3x what you paid them. The deal takes 20% of the time, and in the meantime you make 4 more deals just like it.

      See my point? The "reward" for being technical - is cubicle slavery. The reward for managing people and knowing how to leverage their abilities is freedom. How ethical is it to spend an extra 3 or 4 hours a day studying something when your 7 year old son is asking, "Daddy, will you play soccer with me?".

      I am personally a very technical person - but I am also a highly paid cubicle slave and my family suffers for it. They don't care if I make $X or $Y, they just want me around them to help them with their own struggles, to love them and to play with them. Cubicle slaves do not have that luxury.

      I'm not advocating cheating, or lying. I am simply saying that if you prioritize the things in life - outsourcing a skill is a lesser evil than not being there for your family. Who cares if I did the work, or if someone else did? As long as it gets done correctly - everyone is happy.

      PS: I hated school. I thought most of the work was stupid and only taught me how to kill creativity and imagination. I can count on 1 hand the teachers that actually taught me things valuable in life.
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  • Profile picture of the author Roy Carter
    I'd hate to have an aircraft electronics engineer service the plane I was flying on if he cheated his way to a degree pass like this!
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  • Profile picture of the author studygm
    It is good idea to outsource. Sometimes the important thing is the ends rather than the means. If you learn from what you copy, I believe there is nothing wrong with asking people to do your homework.
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  • Profile picture of the author Anomaly1974
    As a writer, I have to say that I would never get involved in that. What about when it refers to subjects that do have very real impacts on people's lives and the "graduate" suddenly discovers that he does not possess the necessary skills to do the actual job? This is one of the reasons I quit working on so many of the lance sites since they were turning into nothing more than glorified papermills. (Papermill is the old school term for this type of work) Above and beyond that, many of the people willing to cheat on their homework are equally willing to cheat (and bulk) about payment as well.

    If you want to do it, feel free but be warned it will not take your writing career very far in the long run.
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  • Profile picture of the author Floyd Fisher
    And you wonder why College Students don't seem to know anything?
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    • Profile picture of the author Johnathan
      Originally Posted by Floyd Fisher View Post

      And you wonder why College Students don't seem to know anything?
      haha, funny thx
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      • Profile picture of the author Hesaidblissfully
        Depends on the situation.

        Aside from the lying part, which I do have a problem with, I'd be bothered by it if like someone said, it was a student planning to go into a specific career and using outsourcing to appear qualified for a job that he/she wasn't qualified for.

        On the other hand, if you're talking about high school students outsourcing homework for subjects that they'll never actually need in real life anyway (calculus???), then I'd say I WISH I knew about outsourcing when I was in school.
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  • I do want to add that there's nothing wrong with wanting to manage other people and outsourcing your own private projects is clearly beneficial.

    However, in that case there's no need to study for an academic qualification at all. Better than lying and cheating your way to it.

    I've been looking into this and found there's even more of a risk for American college/university students outsourcing work, including examples of students being fined and having to do community service. Many students got caught because they were reported by their peers, annoyed at the cheating from other students devaluing the worth of their own qualification.
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  • Profile picture of the author ecoverartist
    As a former teacher (both at the high school and university level), I could spot the students who did this a mile away. Usually because they'd do their first paper themselves, and the different style of writing would show up on the second or third one.

    You're not fooling anybody Of course some profs don't care either - they just have to give you something to do because their education "standards" say so.
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  • Profile picture of the author IMChick
    I'd hate to be the paying client with the lawyer who outsourced as a student...

    or the patient with a doctor who didn't think it was important enough to get into the mindset of the profession and hired the research while a student.

    Term paper mills were quite the rage a few years ago--and sure enough, someone got caught using one and got kicked out of law school for a violation of the code of ethics. (n.b., it usually takes A LOT or something outrageous to get kicked out in our flexible ethics profession). Bummer, the next issue was that there was no income at the level required to pay off the student loans that all came due.
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  • Profile picture of the author chrisclements521
    When I was in college, we had a company that would take notes for students.... lol
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  • Profile picture of the author Richard Whyte
    I think it is easy to stand at the window and pass judgment one way or the other. From the conversation, it seems to me that people think the rich kids are doing it and while the work is being done they are doing nothing else..... What are these Rich Kids doing?

    Why are they Rich (or their families).

    Learning to get the job done is the most important thing I learned in school. I got my BS in Computer Science back in the Mid 80's.... I spent years after that learning and growing. Dealing with people is my skill today. I am still technical, but if you ask me to rip into your network and solve a router problem, it is just not going to happen.

    I learned over many years that dealing with people (in most cases) makes you a better living (and life) than being just an info hound.

    Today, my wife and I work at home. We don't do anything in the tech field anymore. We help other people and this is much more lucrative AND enjoyable than what I did in the computer arena.

    I agree with James above that people skills and dealing are a better way to make your life interesting. I know we have a lot of fun helping others.

    One last note. While I was in University, I was one of those guys that made money by writing for others. I had no help, or loans with school. I worked full time, went to school AND wrote papers for others. Without those extra "Rich Kids" jobs the Macaroni and Cheese I lived on would have been without cheese!

    Most of my real education started the day I graduated. School only taught me How to Learn.... It was my own desires that pushed me forward into What I should Learn...

    Have a Great Day!
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  • Profile picture of the author vvv12
    I spent a lot of time at school writing essays which I was never good at... And I am still struggling from writing... When I first started with IM, I had a difficult time putting my name on the articles, if they were PLR and re-written by me. But so many people just outsource and put their name on the articles, etc. It seems it's acceptable.

    I think if you treat it as your own business and you are overseeing that each product that has your name on it is of the highest quality and approved by you, it's ok. As long as you are making money on it, and you create extra work for someone else too, everyone benefits. You get paid for your ideas at the end.
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  • One other question.

    If it's ok to have people write your assignments for you, is it also okay to pay someone to take exams as you (possibly disguised)? The net result is the same - someone else doing your studies for you.
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    • Profile picture of the author Johnathan
      Originally Posted by impact-productions View Post

      One other question.

      If it's ok to have people write your assignments for you, is it also okay to pay someone to take exams as you (possibly disguised)? The net result is the same - someone else doing your studies for you.
      Actually, the funny thing is -- up until recent years -- I actually knew of students of different nationalities that did precisely that (arabic, east indian, asian)... the reason for that was that "white" proctors (seriously) couldn't usually tell the difference from one asian/east/arabic guy from the rest (when checking ID's)... so many people actually 'did' send it 'substitute' exam writers... (figured they all looked the same)

      Now that there are now proctors from different nationalities checking the exams, I don't think that happens as much any more...
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    • Profile picture of the author n7 Studios
      There's a difference between outsourcing "efficiently" and just being plain lazy.

      It's so important to note this - because at school, college and/or University, many of those who "outsource" their work to someone else do so because either they're lazy, would rather be doing something else (that in itself isn't an efficient use of their time) or simply don't understand the work in hand enough to research about it themselves. How is outsourcing then going to further their career - and more importantly, their life?

      Here in the UK, compulsory education stops at 15/16. At 16 we then choose to either go to college or not. Then, at 18 / 19, we choose either to go to University or not (usually if we've been to college). Why would I make those two choices, only then to get someone else to do my work - especially when I paid tuition fees at University, to learn from (note: not taught or spoon fed) some of the leading Law lecturers on their topics? What would I gain by outsourcing?

      Then there are other indirect benefits by doing it myself. Writing essays, coursework and research honed my writing and researching skills - which are simply invaluable to have when I come across new challenges. Being able to read and compute large amounts of information and summarise so I can understand my next goal, and opening doors and possibilities to future prospects. These are specific to what I studied, but it gives you an idea of the type of transferred knowledge and learning you simply don't get when you outsource. It's not just about the certificate on the wall.

      Outsourcing at University level, certainly, would be like signing up to a big IM event, but sending someone else there. What do you gain from it? Some free time, maybe. But do you gain experience? New skills? New prospects? No, no and no.

      Don't get me wrong - education needs improving. The subjects we're taught need updating, certainly where education is compulsory. Even teaching basic business skills, applying maths to the real world and discussing basic business models would be a good start.

      There's a time and a place for outsourcing. Education isn't it.
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  • Profile picture of the author jedz
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    I don't think outsourcing companies would like to have a business with a student. Most of the time these companies are looking for a long term commitment and not just for project based arrangement.
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  • Profile picture of the author AndrewHansen
    The things people will do when they're years into a degree they don't enjoy and realize their assessments are arbitrary and not a true indication of skill or knowledge but a formalized process of robotic regurgitation that yields no lasting benefit...

    In other words, formal education today was created for an environment that's nothing like the one in which we now live and it's time for it to be updated.

    Andrew

    P.S. They're still teaching that marketing is about the 3 P's for goodness sake!
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