How many articles to submit per month?

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Hi guys, I have some complex question about articles submission to ask but will start with a small thing and later will develop the rest. I read many opinions over the web - some copywriters advise making 200 articles per month to make conversions after the third month, others says 30-90, than i read about 5 per week. My niche is about clothing. So what is best to do if we talk about quantity? Thank you
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  • Profile picture of the author KimboJim
    OK, the first obvious thing to say is that quality matters. If you have one article that pulls in 10,000 customers, then that's a lot better than a bunch of articles bringing in a fraction of that number. But, you didn't ask about quality (though it is important, believe me), you asked about quantity.

    Honestly, I think 1-2 a day is fine. Anymore than that stretches your writing/finances too far. It also makes it easier for you to do some proper marketing. It's a lot easier to market one article a day when compared to marketing 10 or more a day.
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    • Originally Posted by KimboJim View Post

      OK, the first obvious thing to say is that quality matters. If you have one article that pulls in 10,000 customers, then that's a lot better than a bunch of articles bringing in a fraction of that number. But, you didn't ask any quality (though it is important, believe me), you asked about quantity.

      Honestly, I think 1-2 a day is fine. Anymore than that stretches your writing/finances too far. It also makes it easier for you to do some proper marketing. It's a lot easier to market one article a day when compared to marketing 10 or more a day.
      Thank you for your opinion. Yes, quality is important but i somewhat don't hesitate that everything will be fine about it. Now i start a bit sully questions but never did such things so:

      About the submission lets say i have 1 article only and i submit it in 1 directory. OK. Can i then publish it in other directories /blogs and is this going to be good for me? The same question is about many articles and Google's experience - any risk to get problems with Google or become part of some spam site?

      Also no matter i can post 1 same article to many places, or i have many articles - can i do the submission somehow automatically and without any risk about it?

      I found a terminology like Google sandbox for blogs which something i don't like to experience - what are the reasons for that and how to make this never happen - may i submit as much articles as i like per month even 200-300, just asking?

      Thank you
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Originally Posted by letstalkaboutlove View Post

        About the submission lets say i have 1 article only and i submit it in 1 directory. OK. Can i then publish it in other directories
        Yes.

        Originally Posted by letstalkaboutlove View Post

        is this going to be good for me?
        Probably not.

        This thread will really help you a lot, if you read it slowly and carefully: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5068872
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by letstalkaboutlove View Post

    some copywriters advise making 200 articles per month to make conversions after the third month
    What do copywriters know about articles? Article marketing has absolutely nothing to do with copywriting.

    Article marketing isn't about numbers of articles. It's about how widely you can get your articles published in front of the highly targeted traffic you want to attract.

    500 articles that sit unread on your website and/or in article directories don't produce any income at all.

    1 article published in an ezine sent out by email to its hundreds/thousands of targeted subscribers, and/or re-published on a good quality niche site whose webmaster wants content for his hundreds/thousands of visitors to read, can produce hundreds/thousands of opt-ins and sales for you.

    It isn't about how many articles you have. It's about what you do with them.

    "How many articles" is just a slightly misdirected/inappropriate question - sorry.

    That said, I'll give you a number: I write 24/25 articles per month. And that's enough for me to keep 8 entirely separate, unrelated niches going for all their content needs. With one niche, I'd need 3 articles per month - about 1 article every 10 days. That's plenty.

    If you're thinking of article marketing, it will help you enormously to stop thinking of it in quantitative terms.

    "200 articles per month", for a niche, is nonsense. That isn't about article marketing at all. It's about trying (usually very unsuccessfully) to use articles as backlinks to attract SEO traffic. Article marketing isn't part of SEO. It's a way of transcending the need for SEO traffic, in favor of something much better, easier, more profitable, more secure and more reliable.
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    • Thank you, really releasing information about numbers! My mistake with notions - i make no difference between article writers and copywriters and English is not my native language. However it depends a lot on the niche i think and mine is about selling clothes online.
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  • Profile picture of the author KimboJim
    Alexa is the authority on article marketing (she really is!) but I'll just answer the questions you posed.

    You can post the same article in many places, but it's usually better to have that article posted on individual niche sites. You could also automate the process with a submitter/spinner, and you could submit 200-300 articles a month.

    HOWEVER, all of that is blackhat marketing. Google is savvy to this marketing, and they are doing their best to eliminate it. You will usually be hit with an unnatural link penalty, and you will end up circulating really bad content that may bring in one visitor if you are lucky.
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    • Do you mean that submitting a huge number of articles per month is blackhat marketing OR the automated process with a submitter/spinner is blackhat marketing?

      Thank you!
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  • Profile picture of the author KimboJim
    It's OK, everyone starts out ignorant. I remember when people said that invisible keyword clouds were great, now they kill rankings.

    To let you know, article writing and copywriting are completely different. An article writer is someone that writes common articles that are used on directories, blogs and they may sometimes (but not always) write Web copy.

    A copywriter is more about marketing. S/he would make a sales letter, Web copy to sell products or a squeeze page.

    For example, an article writer would write something like, "why plaid is in fashion for 2012." A copywriter would write a sales letter that sells plaid clothing to people.

    Honestly, whenever you do article marketing, it's always better to focus on quality.
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  • Profile picture of the author KimboJim
    Well, submitting a huge number of articles a month is just exhausting, but I guess not completely blackhat. Really, both aren't good.
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  • What about the difference between copywriting and article writing ? Also i found article rewrites and spin article terminology?
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    • Profile picture of the author premiumdomains
      It depends on niche and where you post. The best part is conversion rate is niche specific.
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      • Originally Posted by premiumdomains View Post

        It depends on niche and where you post. The best part is conversion rate is niche specific.
        What do you mean? My niche is selling clothes online.
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  • Have you thought about asking your customers how often they come to your blog or website for fresh content? You kind of get a feeling or how much articles/content you need to create this way.
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  • Profile picture of the author daya1
    I submitted 20 articles a month. Is it ok?
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by daya1 View Post

      I submitted 20 articles a month. Is it ok?
      It depends where you submitted them.

      If you published them on your own site first and had them indexed there, and then submitted them to places that have targeted traffic for you (ezines and websites in your niche) then it's potentially excellent.

      If you submitted them just to article directories and/or other places that don't have targeted traffic for your niche, and/or you didn't publish them on your own site first and have them indexed there, then it was probably a waste of time.

      This thread and the links inside it will help you: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5068872
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  • Hi everybody,

    Spent some time last couple of days to read on the forum but there are things to ask too. Now i saw many treads with different advises about quantity and always quality is more important which i do not doubt but my concern is still about proportions which i find really important as i may do endless articles, even myself full of mistakes etc and i will not have someone to look after my steps and i really don't want to drop in a "sandbox" or spam directories. So, question is about proportions.
    - for example i have a 500 words article ( i know its short )- what must be the maximum density of keywords so it will not look or be estimated as spam.
    - also another proportion question - i read many successful marketers say 1-3 articles per week is good enough no matter BUT aren't you all talking about ESTABLISHED businesses because for a starting online business 1- 2 articles per weeks sounds like someone will achieve his goal after ages if he ll be still writing articles... For a starting business isn't it better much more than that as a start point and always remaining quality and good submission which as i said is not a topic now / will ask later about that more/ ?
    - i understood here that 1 article can be submitted to many directories, blogs etc after posting it to my own site first / thank you Alexa Smith/. Ok. But again a proportion question - to how many places can be 1 article get spread so again i will have no problems and how it will not be estimated as duplicated article and will be estimated as unique only?
    - how long it takes Google to index the article in my own site so i can start spreading it in directories, blogs, etc and how may i know this information?
    - how to offer an article to good authority bloggers and publishers so it may get spread more?
    - if i post 1 article to 10-15 places and than the article get syndicated - this syndication might it get estimated as over backlink to my site -sorry i don't know how to explain, but is there a risk in this after the article is already in 15 other sites already the same day?
    - when i order 1 article - how may i know and be guaranteed that all rights are mine ?

    Thank you!
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by letstalkaboutlove View Post

      what must be the maximum density of keywords so it will not look or be estimated as spam.
      Are you writing for search engines to read your articles, or people?

      Are you confusing article marketing with SEO?

      I think 1% is a good figure. I don't count "keyword density" any more, because I'm an article marketer, so it isn't relevant to me, but I'm pretty sure my keyword density is very rarely above 1%, and I hope it isn't.

      At Ezine Articles, if you try to submit an article whose keyword density touches 2%, you get an automated rejection without your article even getting as far as a human editor, because they're well aware that 2% is much too high. And they're right.

      Originally Posted by letstalkaboutlove View Post

      - also another proportion question - i read many successful marketers say 1-3 articles per week is good enough no matter BUT aren't you all talking about ESTABLISHED businesses
      No. I wasn't. I was talking about new businesses, too.

      Understand this point clearly: it doesn't matter much how many/few articles you have - what matters is how widely you can get them published in front of highly targeted readers.

      500 articles that sit unread on your website and/or in article directories don't product any income at all. 1 article published in an ezine sent out by email to its hundreds/thousands of targeted subscribers, and/or re-published on a good quality niche site whose webmaster wants content for his hundreds/thousands of visitors to read, can produce hundreds/thousands of opt-ins and sales for you. It really isn't about how many articles you have. It's about what you do with them.

      Originally Posted by letstalkaboutlove View Post

      to how many places can be 1 article get spread so again i will have no problems and how it will not be estimated as duplicated article and will be estimated as unique only?
      To as many places as you like, but you'll benefit only if the places are either places where there's targeted traffic for you, or places which are stepping-stones to further publication in other places that have targeted traffic for you.

      You're rather confused about "duplicate content" and "unique content", I think. Appreciate that "duplicate content" is multiple copies of text-files within one website. Syndicated content (what you're referring to above) is totally different.

      It's explained here: Article Marketers - Lay the Duplicate Content Myth To Rest Once and For All - Internet Marketing and Publishing Blog

      Originally Posted by letstalkaboutlove View Post

      - how long it takes Google to index the article in my own site so i can start spreading it in directories, blogs, etc and how may i know this information?
      How quickly Google indexes new content on your site depends on how often you update the site. Search engine spiders go through a learning process. They're slower to index at first. When you update regularly, they re-index regularly.

      I update each of my sites 3 times a month (one new article every 10 days is plenty for all my content needs, in a niche). And Google regularly indexes my new content within 24 hours.

      You can tell when your article's indexed simply by putting a 10-word chunk from it into Google, between "inverted commas": when it shows up in the SERP's, it's been indexed.

      Originally Posted by letstalkaboutlove View Post

      - how to offer an article to good authority bloggers and publishers so it may get spread more?
      Ezine publishers:
      Directory of Ezines (excellent, includes a good advisory service too, but not free)

      Ezine Directories Top 20: The pick of the best ezine directories on the Net (not as good/helpful)

      Webmasters:
      Use search engines to find sites in your niche ... and this article by expert article marketer Anne Pottinger will help, too: Article Syndication To Benefit and Grow Your Business | Internet Marketing and Publishing

      Also widely recommended: an e-book by Paul Myers, on this subject: Content Cash System, A New Approach To An Old System by Paul Myers.

      Also, the methods described in this timeless classic: Turn Words Into Traffic (by Jim and Dallas Edwards) have been working successfully for over a decade and still are, now.

      I send potential re-publishers an article (just one, the best one you have that's most appropriate for their site), not a link to one. And not one that's published at EZA (yet).

      I send it in an email, not as an attachment (which often won't reach their inbox and/or won't be opened), and I write a "covering letter" from their perspective, telling them why I like their site so much, what I got from it, what particularly interested me about it, why I think my article will be of particular relevance and interest to their readers, and so on. The initial email you send is the start of the relationship you plan to build with them, and as the saying goes, you don't get a second chance to make a first impression. It needs to be very carefully written. Put yourself in their position and ask yourself what would interest you most, and what you'd say "yes" to.

      Originally Posted by letstalkaboutlove View Post

      - if i post 1 article to 10-15 places and than the article get syndicated
      You don't need to post it in 10 - 15 places. Only on your own site. (Later, you can put a copy in Ezine Articles, too, to try to attract some further passive syndication).

      Originally Posted by letstalkaboutlove View Post

      - this syndication might it get estimated as over backlink to my site
      The backlinks will have some value to you if the site is relevant to your site. Link-juice is determined primarily by relevance.

      Originally Posted by letstalkaboutlove View Post

      - when i order 1 article - how may i know and be guaranteed that all rights are mine ?
      Just confirm with the writer that you're buying "the copyright". (This won't be a problem, as long as you clarify it).

      If it helps, the basic model of "article marketing" is covered in this post: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5035794

      But make sure that the articles are written for syndication, otherwise they won't be syndicated on relevant sites and in relevant ezines, and you'll be back to "article directory marketing", which will not help you.
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      • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
        Here's a question that might help you bring things into a sharper focus...

        Why are you writing/buying articles? What's your most-wanted outcome?

        You said that your niche is 'selling clothing online', yes?

        So, having people arrive at the site where you sell this clothing in a mood to buy is important, yes?

        Now, let's look at what happens when you use your articles two different ways.

        > You create hundreds of articles, many of dubious quality, and use a piece of software to post them to hundreds of sites that will accept any article submitted.

        In the best case scenario, you get a top search ranking for one or more popular keywords. Which means you get to fight for attention, competing with 9 other listings, 8-10 ads, the 'more results' button, the search box and 'related searches' links and the back button.

        Some percentage of the people who see that results page may click your listing. Those people arrive at your site knowing nothing about you, only that you just might have what they are looking for. If they don't see it right away, they hit that back button and try someone else.

        In the worst case scenario, no one ever sees your articles, or your resource box, or your link, or your site. Your hard work is completely wasted.

        Most people will land somewhere between those two.

        > You create a handful of really good articles, and you manage to get them republished (syndicated) on related blogs, websites and included in email newsletters people have asked to receive.

        By republishing your article, the publisher or list owner has given you an endorsement of sorts. If they have a good relationship with their audience, some of that good feeling is transferred to you.

        In the best case scenario, people interested in clothing read what you have to say, trust you and the publisher, and click through to your site. They already know that you know your stuff, so they sign up for your list as well. They act on your recommendations and buy your stuff, often multiple times.

        In the worst case scenario, you get a quality backlink that will help you get that top position in the first case above.

        Either way, you come away from your efforts with something to show for them.

        So keep asking yourself, "What do I ultimately want to accomplish by writing content and spreading it around?"
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      • Alexa, I am not sure to find a website of yours but you say you write articles - do you write only for your niches or for other people's niche too ?

        Also just saying thanks to this amount of information is funny but really thank you for the help and starting points.
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  • Profile picture of the author prismkuet
    You can not do 200 articles per month. Even if you go for purchasing, it will make problem in your finance.Generally I like to write 1/2 per day and feel that is enough. Try to focus on quality. Few with good quality will give you better result than lot with poor quality.
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  • Profile picture of the author chander sood
    You of-course submit only 15 articles in a month but you sure, that the articles are properly written by a content writer be aware with spelling mistakes and don't used to write the main keywords again and again in your article. It is not good for your site.
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  • Thank you all for the straight helping and clear words. Now new "expert level" question: I type in Google ezine/s. The ezinearticles website is huge and is about articles, but there are so many ezine word consisting websites in the SERP and i read hear also about Ezine directory. I suppose ezine is a relatively new word because it doesn't have a pure translation in different languages but has an international meaning. So when you talk about using ezine/s do you mean to submit in the article directory or to use the people that are "ezines" = publishers? of articles to their own websites? Also Ezine directory with the monthly paid subscription - is this a list of ezine guys that has their blogs or websites and publish content which i may send to them when i get their contacts? If i am right understanding then another question appears - after i publish something 1)in my site, 2) my blogs, the third place will be: 3) ezines or ezinearticle? Thank you
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by letstalkaboutlove View Post

      Alexa, I am not sure to find a website of yours but you say you write articles - do you write only for your niches or for other people's niche too
      Only for myself: I'm "my own only customer" for writing. (I did once write articles for people, but not here, and that was over 3 years ago, now). There are many good writers here who understand what "syndication articles" are, and can supply them.

      Originally Posted by letstalkaboutlove View Post

      So when you talk about using ezine/s do you mean to submit in the article directory or to use the people that are "ezines" = publishers? of articles to their own websites?
      An "ezine" and an "article directory" are two totally different things.

      Ezines are niche-targeted publications sent out by email to their subscribers.

      The most well-known (and best) article directory happens to be called "Ezine Articles". It has this name because it's a depository of articles for ezines. (And these days for websites, too).

      Some ezines do also have a website, and sometimes a copy of the ezine is archived online.

      Originally Posted by letstalkaboutlove View Post

      Also Ezine directory with the monthly paid subscription - is this a list of ezine guys that has their blogs or websites and publish content which i may send to them when i get their contacts?
      I'm not certain what you're asking about, here. If you're referring to the "Directory Of Ezines" (it's $197 for a lifetime subscription, not monthly), it gives details of ezines (not so much websites and blogs) and how you can get your articles published in them.

      Originally Posted by letstalkaboutlove View Post

      If i am right understanding then another question appears - after i publish something 1)in my site, 2) my blogs, the third place will be: 3) ezines or ezinearticle? Thank you
      Ezine Articles (the article directory) is the last place to which I submit my articles myself (in the hope of further passive syndication from there, to other niche-relevant places), after first publishing them on my own site/blog and sending them out to everyone on my syndication list. My syndication list comprises both ezines and websites (including blogs). The details are in this post: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5035794
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  • Thank you!
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  • Hi again!
    I made notes yesterday about different topics for articles, so i can contact a writer and tell what i want. My question here is can i for example use names of people, put music, talk about actors or reality formats, events from the news etc. in the articles and while they are how ever blended with commercial content - is it possible i get problem when i mention famous people/ music/ pictures/history etc and is there some limit on doing it?
    Another point i found is- as i am not a platinum level "writer" in Ezinearticles , how people would find me and republish me - is it a question of time and luck in this first beginning?
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