Dear New Marketers: This never works, so stop it already...

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I did it.

It sucked.

Upon my very first day as a new marketer (many moons ago) I "launched" a blog about my internet marketing experiences, of which I had zero. No one came, and those who did found my blog useless.

In spite of how much I assured everyone that "we would have some fun while I learned the ropes", even a blog of me falling on my face has to have some meat to it, and I just didn't have anything to offer.

Anyway, me bouncing from one new scheme to the next was interesting to no one... except maybe sadists. There are so many other niches out there to tickle. Find a better one. IMing is not a good one on which to "learn the ropes". It can be quite humiliating, as a matter of fact.

And get that ridiculous s**t out of your sig. Other than the product your promoting has a potential commission involved, what do you know about the people you're promoting?

Not much if you're new.

Do some research. Ask around. Be sure of the people you're promoting, even more than the product. Good people promote good products. Bad people promote dung heaps.

Because here's the thing. If you partner yourself with some douchebag who rips a bunch of people off, who will the victims blame? Yeah, the douchebag, but they'll blame you to.

If your marked as someone who, even once in the past, participated in a scam, even if it was unintentional, you're virtually dead. It is very difficult to recover your good name in this community - just because there are so many dirtbags who've done a lot of damage.

If you love the IMing niche, and think it really is your gig, your credibility is your most important asset. Nothing you have to offer in terms of knowledge will make it past your lack of credibility.

On the other hand, good credibility adds value to even the simplest of concepts.

Credibility; guard it well.
#dear #marketers #stop #works
  • Profile picture of the author PCH
    Hey BJ,

    some great points raised there. And I for one am guilty of the main theme of your post. I wondered how useful it might be at the time, but my 'guru' said it was the way to go, so off I went. I don't think it did me any harm, and the 'guru' was a top guy as it turned out, but I question the usefulness of a personal blog as you say.

    Cheers,
    Paul
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    • Profile picture of the author fin
      If you listen to some very smart people they will tell you not to start a blog about:

      • Internet Marketing
      • Lifestyle Design
      • Self Improvement

      Stick to something much more niche. Only a tiny amount of people who start a blog so vague will ever see any real success.
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      • Profile picture of the author WinstonTian
        Originally Posted by fin View Post

        If you listen to some very smart people they will tell you not to start a blog about:

        • Internet Marketing
        • Lifestyle Design
        • Self Improvement

        Stick to something much more niche. Only a tiny amount of people who start a blog so vague will ever see any real success.
        fin's on to something here...

        When you dig deeper into market specializations,
        you're going to find warmer leads that convert
        far better.

        There are tons of opportunities out there, and
        the demand is never going to be fulfilled.

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        • Upon my very first day as a new marketer (many moons ago) I "launched" a blog about my internet marketing experiences, of which I had zero. No one came, and those who did found my blog useless.

          I wish I had a dollar for every "My IM Journey" blog I've had the misfortune to encounter. They're all dull as dishwater.

          Kudos to you, sir, for being frank about it. And the sig thing too; you are of course absolutely correct there. I watched someone start posting in the WF as a total newbie, professing ignorance and asking newbiesque questions. A week later his sig claimed he was making $6,000 a day in IM and for a small fee he'd show you how.

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      • Profile picture of the author Devin X
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        Originally Posted by fin View Post

        If you listen to some very smart people they will tell you not to start a blog about:

        • Internet Marketing
        • Lifestyle Design
        • Self Improvement

        Stick to something much more niche. Only a tiny amount of people who start a blog so vague will ever see any real success.
        agreed fin, but lolz ever notice that every noob starts their website and brands themselves as an expert on one of those 3 markets? Seems like everyone's an expert on marketing, lifestyle design, or self improvement...in fact, I've seen some people that brand themselves as experts on all 3. smh
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        • Profile picture of the author fin
          Originally Posted by TheRealDudeman View Post

          agreed fin, but lolz ever notice that every noob starts their website and brands themselves as an expert on one of those 3 markets? Seems like everyone's an expert on marketing, lifestyle design, or self improvement...in fact, I've seen some people that brand themselves as experts on all 3. smh
          Yeah, all the time. I have to admit I tried to do it too. Not say I was an expert, but try to write about all 3. Everyone nowadays tries to do the exact same time and only a few ever go anywhere.
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          • Profile picture of the author Devin X
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            Originally Posted by fin View Post

            Yeah, all the time. I have to admit I tried to do it too. Not say I was an expert, but try to write about all 3. Everyone nowadays tries to do the exact same time and only a few ever go anywhere.
            That's understandable. Truth is, I wish I did that sometimes. On my first failed blog, I was so conscientious about coming off like a wannabe expert that I demanded no authority on my site. Looking back, it might have been better to just shamelessly act like an expert, rather than just giving my humble opinion and experiences and praying people would subscribe.
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  • Profile picture of the author nasuryono
    Thanks for reminding all the new people who are new to IM.

    I have seen to many people sacrifice their credibility in pursuit of some quick bucks.

    Bottom line is, if someone wants to build a long term business in IM, always check your credibility and guard it really, really well.
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  • Profile picture of the author chykee
    Hey, some good points but don't give up in your online quest for wealth and affluence
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  • Profile picture of the author IMMaster
    I really started my own forum about Internet Marketing and really i'm struggling cause the competition is very very high .
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  • Profile picture of the author chykee
    Hey, some good points but don't give up in your online quest for wealth and affluence
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  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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    That's one of those cringe-worthy mistakes we all kind of have to make I think. We think that "ours will be different" and that we'll be the ones to show newbies the light in a fun interesting way (while never selling anything of course ).

    It makes me wish for time traveling abilities so I can go back, slap myself and say "no stupid. Oh and btw, here come the Google updates! Get ready to watch the show."
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  • Profile picture of the author denysapu
    Hi BeauJustin,

    Great advice listed and many thanks for that.
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  • Profile picture of the author hostwindsEvanM
    Maybe you gave up too easily, or maybe it wasn't specific enough. Either way, its cool to have for personal records once you succeed.
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    • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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      Originally Posted by hostwindsEvanM View Post

      Either way, its cool to have for personal records once you succeed.
      The blog would be nice. The bank statements are much more satisfying.
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  • Profile picture of the author Vlad Romanov
    I have to disagree with you on all counts. The personal blog is a great way to keep track of your activities. You for example had no focus and thus zero success with your blog. I know others who genuinely reviewed products they used and made money from clickbank.

    That being said a personal blog is great to receive feedback and build up a portfolio. Especially important for those building websites or writing for a living.

    The signatures are nothing new, but why do you care what others have? It's Internet marketing for a reason, if you purchase a make 6k$ in your first day product from some new guy, you're the only one to blame.

    Don't discredit IM practices based on one trial and learn how to apply them correctly before you bash on them..
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  • Profile picture of the author yourreviewer
    The sad truth to blogging is that an overwhelming majority of bloggers are broke and even some of the most successful blog owners will tell you that there is a stark difference between their traffic stats and their revenue stats.

    While the number of comments or Facebook likes or Tweets are all good, they don't add to your bottom line unless you are actively building a list and more importantly have a robust follow up sequence.
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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
    Originally Posted by BeauJustin View Post

    Other than the product your promoting has a potential commission involved, what do you know about the people you're promoting?

    Be sure of the people you're promoting, even more than the product. .

    No-one should be promoting any person or product they don't know of since the WF sig facility doesn't allow for affiliate links and promotion of affiliation in general (in WSO's) has been ruled out recently too.
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    • Profile picture of the author BeauJustin
      Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

      No-one should be promoting any person or product they don't know of since the WF sig facility doesn't allow for affiliate links and promotion of affiliation in general (in WSO's) has been ruled out recently too.
      I did not know that, Daniel. Thanks for the clarification.
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  • Profile picture of the author Anoopchawla
    I know where you are coming from I too did the same mistake 3 years back. I thought I will share the knowledge I gained from wso and other clickbank stuff and share it for free on my blog.

    Sadly I ended up posting just one 200 words post and never to see that blog again because I jumped to the next shiny thing already. I was suffering from the famous Newbie syndrome and I paid the price for it by wasting 2 years of my precious time.

    Anyway, as of now things are moving in the right direction and I plan to start an IM blog after an year or so.
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    • Profile picture of the author Langknow
      You're pretty much right.

      Starting a blog without any research or any idea who you are targeting is not going to work. Not having a plan or any idea what content you are going to be putting up is asking for failure.

      That's not to say that Internet Marketing as a niche itself is not doable. But it's kinda of like saying I'm in the Weight Loss niche. That's a huge niche, both of them are.

      I think people forget that within these niches you can segment and really hone down to your target audience.

      These niches are big for a reason, lots of money to be made, but you have to know which part of the pie you gonna be targeting.

      For example: internet marketing :

      I will be targeting Stay At Home moms in the United States ages 25 - 30, who have very little experience in internet marketing and marketing in general. These people want to use their current skills to make some extra income to support their families, and maybe save for a vacation. Their husbands work 9 - 5 jobs in white collar jobs. Family household income is around 50 000 month. They own a house and have a mortgage on it. Generally these moms have 2 kids or expecting a third. They've tried Mlm and selling tupperware at parties and even at the home. They even tried selling nutritional supplements, but their was no plan for them.

      They want simple and easy to understand information that shows them the best ways to translate their skills into a website business in certain niches. They are not very technical, but can learn these skills if given the right instructions .
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      • Profile picture of the author jr1228
        Originally Posted by Langknow View Post

        You're pretty much right.

        Starting a blog without any research or any idea who you are targeting is not going to work. Not having a plan or any idea what content you are going to be putting up is asking for failure.

        That's not to say that Internet Marketing as a niche itself is not doable. But it's kinda of like saying I'm in the Weight Loss niche. That's a huge niche, both of them are.

        I think people forget that within these niches you can segment and really hone down to your target audience.

        These niches are big for a reason, lots of money to be made, but you have to know which part of the pie you gonna be targeting.
        Agreed. There is money to be made in these niches if you can segment and target just the right audience. Although marketing online can reach a lot more people than a B&M business, there's no reason why IMers shouldn't be targeting very specific segments of the big online pie.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lance K
    Yes...go "do" before you try to "teach". You just might find that you would rather "do" than "teach" anyway. And if you have success in "doing" and still have the desire to "teach", then by all means go for it.
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  • Profile picture of the author hostwindsEvanM
    What I have always been curious about is people selling "How to make $10K a day, fast!" type of stuff. Why bother if you are REALLY making 10 grand a day? Id be on vacation!
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    • Profile picture of the author johnnys229
      Originally Posted by hostwindsEvanM View Post

      What I have always been curious about is people selling "How to make $10K a day, fast!" type of stuff. Why bother if you are REALLY making 10 grand a day? Id be on vacation!
      This is true of so many courses online, unfortunately. Feeding on desperation and greed, because people who promote like this KNOW that greed and desperation will supersede logic. Hence the massive sales such products make even though it does, as you rightly say, make no sense to sell an ebook, for example, at $10 a piece if you're already making $10,000 with that method. Why would you care for $10? Even if you sold 1000 copies that would be the same as a day's pay for you. Moreover, if the method really makes 10,000 a day, do you think anyone in their right mind would share it?

      Please guys, let's just take a step back and think. A lot of success first involves accepting that great success invariably involves HARD WORK. We would all like to click a button and become rich, but alas, such isn't life.
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      • Profile picture of the author azmanar
        Originally Posted by jb200800 View Post

        Please guys, let's just take a step back and think. A lot of success first involves accepting that great success invariably involves HARD WORK. We would all like to click a button and become rich, but alas, such isn't life.
        Hi,

        A lot of people work really hard day in day out but they aren't really getting anywhere for so many years.

        Hard Work isn't enough to succeed.

        It has to start off with a vision, measurable goals, a plan and start working hard based on the plan.

        Failing to plan, is planning to fail.
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        • Profile picture of the author hometutor
          I discovered in my first year of business full time people will only listen if you are the one with the knowledge and only if you speak from authority and a position of power.

          Watch me along my journey doesn't seem to have any of those things. I trust you're doing much better now?

          Rick
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        • Profile picture of the author Manuelcrc
          Originally Posted by azmanar View Post

          Hi,

          A lot of people work really hard day in day out but they aren't really getting anywhere for so many years.

          Hard Work isn't enough to succeed.

          It has to start off with a vision, measurable goals, a plan and start working hard based on the plan.

          Failing to plan, is planning to fail.
          Sometimes, working hard without covering the bases first is a formula for disaster. Sit down and do all the calculations and soul searching first.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joanne D
    So True! I'm guilty of the same thing although I have to say that I did learn a lot and had fun learning.
    My advice to anyone just starting out - if you want a blog of your own, create one on something that you are knowledgeable and passionate about. Even if it never makes any money for you, at least you would be doing something that you enjoy.
    After a few years of work, work and more work with little to no ROI, I am now doing something altogether different that I really love AND I'm making money (and I have a blog for pleasure).
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  • Profile picture of the author peterakie
    Thanks for the advice. Will tread carefully.
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  • Profile picture of the author mazero
    It's nothing more than a learning process. I too was victim of listening to every would be marketer that claimed to have the direct hotline to internet marketing wealth. As it turned out. I did ok. As for blogging? I usually use blogs just to promote products or archive my stuff.
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  • Profile picture of the author TiffanyLambert
    I disagree on some points

    I started a blog documenting my journey and it kicks butt. I started initially as a newbie, sharing my failures, my small successes and everything I learned along the way. I told people if I didn't know a thing about whatever topic we were discussing that day, but I also shared with them how I was learning.

    I love(d) the fact that I logged in daily and share(d) my story. It kept me on track to some degree, it represented a journal of my journey. Even if it was JUST for me, it'd be nice to see how it went.

    It helped me build a loyal readership. Because they see my story unfold there - everything I love, everything I hate...they trust me and convert really high when I DO have good products to recommend.

    I do agree with you on that - never promote crap, it ruins your reputation.

    Also on the IM niche we disagree. I say if you're learning it, help others discover what products are worthy of their money and what isn't. It's not as competitive as people think.

    It's all about branding yourself and building a reputation as a QUALITY sharer. If you don't have credibility, then it won't matter WHAT niche you choose.

    The title of the thread might just need a tweak. Never say never.

    Tiff
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    • Profile picture of the author ksmusselman
      I guess I'll pop in with my 2c too.

      One of my blogs is about working from home. The archived posts mostly have to do with working from home doing general transcription, and I've ventured into article writing and marketing, writing ebooks, etc., so that's more in the area of IM than general transcription.

      I agree that you should never promote "crap" or promote or be an affiliate for any product you have never purchased and tried for yourself, otherwise, you're not giving an honest review of it.

      But as for blogging about your IM trials and tribulations, if you're a fun and creative writer and can write about it like an "adventure into" blog, you could build up a hell of a list just by being funny, regardless of what pitfalls you actually disclose!

      It's rare that I stumble onto a blog of an IM "guru" who hasn't told his audience what he was doing before, or how he got started; what worked and what didn't. So as others have mentioned, maybe you didn't follow through on your blog.

      So I would never advise any newbie to "never" write about their ongoing journeys in IM, in search of that Holy Grail that's going to make them $1,000,000 overnight, especially if they have the ability to tell it like it's been a real adventure and make their readers chuckle about it.
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      • if you purchase a make 6k$ in your first day product from some new guy, you're the only one to blame.

        So it's okay to make any kind of outlandish false claim and anyone who believes you is a sucker. Got it.

        What was your name again? Something to do with "Impaler"?

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    • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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      Originally Posted by TiffanyDow View Post

      I started a blog documenting my journey and it kicks butt.
      Hi Exception. Meet my friend Rule. You tend to prove him .
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    • Profile picture of the author cjreynolds
      Originally Posted by TiffanyDow View Post

      I disagree on some points

      I started a blog documenting my journey and it kicks butt. I started initially as a newbie, sharing my failures, my small successes and everything I learned along the way. I told people if I didn't know a thing about whatever topic we were discussing that day, but I also shared with them how I was learning.
      I tried that, starting out. I really hope nobody here ever saw it (it's gone now ). The thing is, you write really well! I'm sure your blog was interesting, intriguing and engaging. On the other hand, mine leaned more toward banal, lame, and boring!
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  • Profile picture of the author 2ndopkate
    I just had this conversation with my IM coach. Should I start a perz blog about Internet Marketing. Fear keeps me away from it. And commitment. My deal is that I'm afraid I won't keep up with posts and comments. Plus, I'm not sure I'm a great example. So many on this thread have pure wisdom to share.Now that I think about it, maybe a blog about my failures isn't such a bad idea. Hmm.

    Earlier today I posted on a thread in the offline marketers section of WF. The topic is about being able to build raving fans by "just being you". John Durham shared his tips for "Power Posting" in an effort to help people generate helpful posts. If you want to do a better job of building a great reputation and finding a niche where people love your stuff... download Bill's free report at this link: http://www.warriorforum.com/offline-...post-alot.html
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  • Profile picture of the author TiffanyLambert
    That's fine too - but there are many people who can write well, so I would hate to see some of those get their blogs stifled by this advice. Besides, my blog isn't any type of "pro" writing. It's just conversation - slang, curse words, and all.
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    • Profile picture of the author Joanne D
      Originally Posted by TiffanyDow View Post

      That's fine too - but there are many people who can write well, so I would hate to see some of those get their blogs stifled by this advice. Besides, my blog isn't any type of "pro" writing. It's just conversation - slang, curse words, and all.
      Thanks for the reminder to be more "myself" and conversational with my blog. I tend to forget that that is what makes a blog more genuine...
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris-
    Indeed, the IM niche is not a good one for newbies, unless you learn unusually fast!

    It is possible that a very specific sub-niche of IM might be good, even for a newbie, if you are willing to rapidly learn what there is to know about that topic, IN PRACTICE, then help others with genuine knowledge and practical help. If you want to try that, pick a niche that people are asking about, and which is realistic for you to learn and test quickly.

    Or pick a completely different niche, that you already have experience and practical success in, because it will come accross how much you believe in yourself, when you do your marketing material and/or content, copying someone else who knows what they are talking about will just make you feel like a fake, and that will be picked up by your audience, even if you copy the identical words from a real expert.

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  • Profile picture of the author fred67
    Amusing post - I read a post not too long ago on a very famous IM entrepreneurs blog (who has a very high credibility rating) that said the best way to get people clamouring towards your blog and ultimately your product is to start a controversial post in a popular forum and see the reaction of the 'sheep' - Me included here by the way

    All of the most successful entrepreneurs have made numerous mistakes 'and' fallen foul of the law in many cases, but todays news is tomorrows chip-paper and that's the fact of the matter. In this 'socially networked world' we have at present people expect to read about you - warts'n'all - even BA are now profiling their passengers using FaceBook so I personally think that a 'newbie' and even an 'oldie' should start a blog or blogs to chart their journey. As long as it's ethical and moral, that it doesn't intentionally try to scam anyone it's a positive move.

    A lot of people reading this thread subscribe to a very popular lady blogger who apparently breaks the rules according to this post, but she has probably one of the most loyal readership 'anywhere' on the internet today.

    (she might even be contributing to this thread )

    I doubt there's anyone who in IM who hasn't been the victim of a dubious product promotion that they at first fell in love with so much so that they promoted it themselves in good faith only to get burned further down the line. Does it scar for life? NO! We just take note, apologise and move on - that's life with all of it's ups and downs, positives and negatives.

    Celebrities show us the finest examples of how a bad reputation can get you notoriety and a whole lot of money. 'The Rich Jerk' was a character dreamed up to shock and apall us, he went on to generate a fortune but the chap behind it turned out to be an OK sort of bloke who has gone 'mainstream' and continues to make an even bigger fortune now. I doubt there's many here who don't recognise that little example.

    It's all good - positive - negative - in between - as long as the ethics are intentionally good all avenues are open to everyone - it's called LIFE!

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  • Profile picture of the author Iwriteforyou
    Well, I am so at the newbie stage that I haven't even gotten near starting a blog. This world of IM is really confusing for me, but I can speak from the perspective of over 30 years in the brick ans mortar world.

    When I started my career, the most help was always from those who were willing to share their personal stories of mistakes and successes on their way up the ladder. Analogy to a blog? It was then up to me to learn or not learn. I was always impressed by those willing to share.

    As my own career developed, I tried to do the same for other "newbies." There is absolutely nothing wrong with being honest about your mistakes as you learn. I am certainly hoping I learn from my mistakes as I start this new journey, and I also hope that I find some to help me along the way based on their experiences.
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  • The thing is that Blogging is like Twitter: people like to follow authorities, not random anonymous dudes who have little insight to share.

    Starting a blog in a niche you have little experience about is a certain failure. Who is going to follow you?!?!
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    • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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      Originally Posted by Anonymous Affiliate View Post

      The thing is that Blogging is like Twitter: people like to follow authorities, not random anonymous dudes who have little insight to share.

      Starting a blog in a niche you have little experience about is a certain failure. Who is going to follow you?!?!
      Well, everyone does have to start somewhere. The problem is not being a complete newbie, but how the newbie handles their blog. They usually mismanage, have no direction, and then quickly burn out.
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    • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
      Originally Posted by Anonymous Affiliate View Post

      The thing is that Blogging is like Twitter: people like to follow authorities, not random anonymous dudes who have little insight to share.

      Starting a blog in a niche you have little experience about is a certain failure. Who is going to follow you?!?!
      It's been my experience that people don't just necessarily follow authorities, they follow those people who are interesting, entertaining, or who they feel resonates with them.
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  • Profile picture of the author Karson
    I think I'll stick to it and keep my blog. I am getting a small following and subscribers on my list through it. Oh yea... I started my blog less than 30 days ago and already have over 1000 hits and a steady 50 visits a day. So despite what some of you might think... it works if you do it right.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    There is another option here.

    You don't have to start a blog at the onset of your journey, BUT you can start a personal journal of everything you are doing along the way.

    THEN...once you achieve a fair level of success, you can go through and use that journal (in edited form) as the source of a blog, forum, or product.

    Just a thought.

    All the best,
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  • Profile picture of the author murphyslaw
    There are advantages to writing a personal blog initially before tackling your niche blogs. It helps you get used to the platform. You can also use your personal blog to test out new plugins and such.
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  • Back in 2008, I started my first internet marketing blog, when I was just playing with PayPerClick websites, paying 1 cent for 1 click. I've included everything on that blog, and now it is a powerful PR3 who sells for thousands of dollars each and every month.

    I've no comments on it, just a few, and it seem to receive no participation, but visits and sales are going up like crazy and that's what counts above all, right?

    So you must continue your job, and never be tired to continue writing. Time will pay yourself.

    See you soon,
    Alessandro Zamboni
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  • Profile picture of the author BeauJustin
    I will add a few caveats to my original post, as I loath blanket statements, especially when Im ake them.

    Newbies shouldn't start an IM blog UNLESS:

    A.) You really, really, really, really love the IM niche. Otherwise don't.

    and,

    B.) You really, really love blogging.

    One of the great surprises with Google's Penguin update is that, enjoyable, quality blogs have made a big comeback on page 1-5 over the SEO backlink junkies.

    So there, some new marketers can absolutely clean up in the IM niche, but you have to really love it, and you'll have to have a level of extra-tenacity that the rest of us simply aren't in possession of.

    Enjoy.
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    • Profile picture of the author TheArticlePros
      Originally Posted by BeauJustin View Post

      I will add a few caveats to my original post, as I loath blanket statements, especially when Im ake them.

      Newbies shouldn't start an IM blog UNLESS:

      A.) You really, really, really, really love the IM niche. Otherwise don't.

      and,

      B.) You really, really love blogging.

      One of the great surprises with Google's Penguin update is that, enjoyable, quality blogs have made a big comeback on page 1-5 over the SEO backlink junkies.

      So there, some new marketers can absolutely clean up in the IM niche, but you have to really love it, and you'll have to have a level of extra-tenacity that the rest of us simply aren't in possession of.

      Enjoy.
      I refrained from commenting yesterday because I whole-heartedly disagreed with your original post, the one that started this whole mess. I personally think everyone should start a blog when they first get going. It's like starting a diary for a kid -- it gives you something to reflect back on so that you can see if you stayed going in the direction you started, reversed course, took a zig or a zag...you know what I'm saying.

      It also will give you your first hint of whether or not you'll be any good at IM at all. IM, when you boil it down to its base, is about writing and sales. Outside of building mini niche sites, everything else you do in IM involves upkeep of a site or sites over time, which means writing more articles.

      I've started probably 6 blogs over the last decade (even before they were called blogs) and I never kept up with them until now. My blog, with no outside advertising and no on-site advertising, made over $100 between Jan & March. How? I wrote a post about getting started in IM and stuck some affiliate links in it, with text like "this is an affiliate link ~~>" to make it kind of obvious to whomever clicked. Then I made it a sticky so it was always the first post. I didn't even bother to link it in my sig and people still found it.

      I'm really glad you came back and amended your initial blanket statement. I'm also glad TiffanyDow came and posted her thoughts as well...I'm following down her road and posted about my idiot mistakes as well as my successes...I'm even posting future goals so I can have a way to keep myself accountable.

      In closing...I think your title should read more like "This Only Works If You Stick With It, Otherwise Don't Try It."

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      • Profile picture of the author BeauJustin
        Originally Posted by JaRyCu View Post

        I refrained from commenting yesterday because I whole-heartedly disagreed with your original post, the one that started this whole mess. I personally think everyone should start a blog when they first get going. It's like starting a diary for a kid -- it gives you something to reflect back on so that you can see if you stayed going in the direction you started, reversed course, took a zig or a zag...you know what I'm saying.

        It also will give you your first hint of whether or not you'll be any good at IM at all. IM, when you boil it down to its base, is about writing and sales. Outside of building mini niche sites, everything else you do in IM involves upkeep of a site or sites over time, which means writing more articles.

        I've started probably 6 blogs over the last decade (even before they were called blogs) and I never kept up with them until now. My blog, with no outside advertising and no on-site advertising, made over $100 between Jan & March. How? I wrote a post about getting started in IM and stuck some affiliate links in it, with text like "this is an affiliate link ~~>" to make it kind of obvious to whomever clicked. Then I made it a sticky so it was always the first post. I didn't even bother to link it in my sig and people still found it.

        I'm really glad you came back and amended your initial blanket statement. I'm also glad TiffanyDow came and posted her thoughts as well...I'm following down her road and posted about my idiot mistakes as well as my successes...I'm even posting future goals so I can have a way to keep myself accountable.

        In closing...I think your title should read more like "This Only Works If You Stick With It, Otherwise Don't Try It."

        -- j
        "The best way to rank high in search engines is to write content that doesn't suck." Chris Pearson www.pearsonofied.com
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        • Profile picture of the author TheArticlePros
          Originally Posted by BeauJustin View Post

          "The best way to rank high in search engines is to write content that doesn't suck." Chris Pearson www.pearsonofied.com
          1) The link's broken.

          2) Why did you have to quote my whole post to say that? I'm really lost . . . .

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          • Profile picture of the author BeauJustin
            Originally Posted by JaRyCu View Post

            1) The link's broken.

            2) Why did you have to quote my whole post to say that? I'm really lost . . . .

            -- j
            Sorry for the link: Pearsonified. He's the guy who created the Thesis theme for Wordpress.

            And sorry for quoting the entire post like that. I initially had some long-winded response basically agreeing with you, but I'm working on my verbal diarrhea problem.

            It all boiled down to Pearson's quote anyway, so there you go. :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author BrentDotCom
    The longer you are in this business you realize that there is no Secret. It's just having the ability to endure pain and the sense to know when to shift gears- which is itself almost a conflicting nonsensical statement. Nevermind. LOL
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  • Profile picture of the author Jackson Tan
    I have to agree with JaRyCu. alot of people cant stick with it becos the primary reason for their blogs are for making money.. if you arent making money, it is not easy to follow thru.. Hence, u need to have passion in it

    Another thing, i think recording down your journey is a good way to keep track of what you are doing. you may not want to blog it but i guess it is still useful in keeping records of what you did.

    my 2 cents~ cheers!
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  • Profile picture of the author paul nicholls
    In my opinion creating an IM blog is one of the best things you can do because you actually own it and its something which you can build over a period of time

    you cant look at it as a quick money earner

    its a long term asset which will gain momentum over time

    even if you are a newbie you dont` have to create a new blog post every 2 days. A new blog post once every 2 weeks would be fine to start with and then just document all of your results

    the reason why having an IM blog is so powerful is because it brands you as marketer and a real person and with so many scammers and rip off mechants around these days finding someone to trust is one of the biggest problems newbies face when learning how to do all this IM stuff

    so having a personal blog builds you a lot more credibility and trust and not to mention pre conditions all of the subscribers which join your list from your blog too

    lastly, if you really don`t want to create a personal blog then don`t if it would bore you but just remember that they are great assets to build and they are a perfect platform to build a good responsive list from too

    paul
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  • Profile picture of the author Thomas Michal
    Seriously I don't get why people blog about their "experiences".

    You know what I blog about?

    Celebrity gossip

    Sports junk

    Politics

    Controversial topics

    Etc ...

    You know why? because that's what people are passionate about and enjoy reading, no one care how your "journey " is going or what you had for lunch or how you failed because you aren't special.

    Just remember to drop you ad in the middle of the article.
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    • Profile picture of the author Viramara
      To blog your journey or not? This post will absolutely be very helpful :
      how documenting your journey in a niche can build your authority


      Originally Posted by Thomas Michal View Post


      You know what I blog about?

      Celebrity gossip

      Sports junk

      Politics

      Controversial topics

      Etc ...
      Agree!! I've seen a website with a lot of sh*tty stuff with topics like the ones you've mentioned above, and he got average 5000 UV a day , raving comments and followers. I do blog serious topics, even scientifically researched, and I wrote it in a fun way but I could never beat such traffic!
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    • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
      Originally Posted by Thomas Michal View Post

      Seriously I don't get why people blog about their "experiences".

      You know what I blog about?

      Celebrity gossip

      Sports junk

      Politics

      Controversial topics

      Etc ...

      You know why? because that's what people are passionate about and enjoy reading, no one care how your "journey " is going or what you had for lunch or how you failed because you aren't special.

      Just remember to drop you ad in the middle of the article.
      celebrity gossip?

      nope, not everyone in this world is celebrity-obsessed. :rolleyes:

      If I can offer one small bit of advice to any would-be bloggers out there, and one which I'm sure Tiffany Dow and others contributing to this thread will agree with: don't try to be anything other than your true self. Even if you mess up, it shows you're human.

      so while you shouldn't blog expecting to get rich over night, if you are tenacious and stick to it long enough, you'll build a following, and you'll even build an income, all from your personal blog.

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      • Profile picture of the author Thomas Michal
        Originally Posted by Karen Blundell View Post

        celebrity gossip?

        nope, not everyone in this world is celebrity-obsessed. :rolleyes:
        Yeah, well, most of the house wives that whip out their credit cards for the latest and greatest pills and creams do.
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        • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
          Originally Posted by Thomas Michal View Post

          Yeah, well, most of the house wives that whip out their credit cards for the latest and greatest pills and creams do.
          glad I don't fit that mold...and most of my female friends don't either. There must be a lot of shallow women in your neck of the woods, Thomas.
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          • Profile picture of the author Thomas Michal
            Originally Posted by Karen Blundell View Post

            glad I don't fit that mold...and most of my female friends don't either. There must be a lot of shallow women in your neck of the woods, Thomas.
            I do live in America...
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  • Profile picture of the author Brian Tayler
    I hope new marketers take head to this warning. They also don't realize that the veterans are much much more likely to NOT do a JV deal with anyone who looks so amateurish regarding blogs or random product promotions. Trust me... you are more transparent than you think!
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    • Profile picture of the author TiffanyLambert
      Originally Posted by Thomas Michal View Post

      no one care how your "journey " is going or what you had for lunch or how you failed because you aren't special.
      Unless they do care, which they do.

      Originally Posted by Brian Tayler View Post

      I hope new marketers take head to this warning. They also don't realize that the veterans are much much more likely to NOT do a JV deal with anyone who looks so amateurish regarding blogs or random product promotions. Trust me... you are more transparent than you think!
      I'd say thank God for that. No newbie needs to be JVing with any veteran anyway. Not until they get to know who's a scumbag and who isn't. And that takes awhile.
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  • Profile picture of the author williamk
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    Never go into saturated niche, you will die pretty fast. Its better to go in micro niche and work from there.
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  • Profile picture of the author paul nicholls
    i think way to many people here are getting the wrong end of the stick about blogging and why you create a personal blog

    for starters you don`t just create a blog just so you can tell everyone else what you had for breakfast and that you had just stumped your toe on the way to the bathroom

    your blog should be used for branding yourself and creating plenty of value for your market place

    if all you ever talk about is yourself of course no one is going to keep coming back and reading your content

    and more importantly never think that your blog is just there to push and promote products like some people use them for. I often come across blogs like this where every single page of the blog is reviewing a product (pure garbage) so i go and never ever go back to that site again

    on the other hand if you make your content engaging and quality then your going to attract and build a follow ship of loyal readers

    i understand that creating a personal IM blog is not for everyone and thats cool but i think it`s bad advice by telling newbies not to create one because they don`t work

    couldnt be further than the truth

    paul
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  • Profile picture of the author michaeljcheney
    To IM or not to IM? To blog or not to blog?

    In my humble opinion blogging is best left to those with something really valuable to say and some miles on the clock. Sure - you can create blogs for traffic and search engines but I've found that treating people like people and creating content for THEM is the best way to go about things.

    Having pulled in a not-too-shabby $6m (yes million) since starting out over 10 years ago i am proud to say that I hardly ever blog, dont do SEO, dont do social bookmarking, ignore amazon, merely flirted with pinterest and have a list of 1001 things that i dont need to do in order to make money.

    Find what you love, do what you enjoy, stick to what you're best at, help people and never give up. It's not snappy but it worked for me! :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author alfid
    BeauJustin, you really do tell it like it is. Did you ever post anything like what you wrote for this thread on your blog? If not you should because this is some powerful stuff. People are looking for different so that's what you have to give them-not boring.
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  • Profile picture of the author krestup
    If me i believe if you want to start a blog, it should be something you have an interest about because you would get tired and stop.
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