Are WF banner ads really worth $100 for 2.4 hours of exposure?

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So I'm considering placing a banner ad on WF. Although the $100 does get your ad up for 24 hours, you are sharing space with up to 9 other advertisers. In that case, it would seem the 24 hours is being split 10 ways since they rotate ads. Split 10 ways, you only get 2.4 hours of actual exposure.

What are your experiences with the 24-hour ($100) option?
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  • Profile picture of the author David Keith
    Just out of curiosity, I have checked a few of the click thru stats from banners that use bitly by using the "+" trick.

    It seems most are in the 80-150 range of clicks per day. I have seen a few over 200, but not many. Obviously the ad and the offer will have a fair impact on clicks.

    As far as profit. You do see a lot of the same guys advertising a lot. I can't help but think that is because that are making money or at least breaking even while adding customers to their lists. But again, that is probably very offer dependent.
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    • Profile picture of the author Peter C
      Originally Posted by David Keith View Post

      Just out of curiosity, I have checked a few of the click thru stats from banners that use bitly by using the "+" trick.

      It seems most are in the 80-150 range of clicks per day. I have seen a few over 200, but not many. Obviously the ad and the offer will have a fair impact on clicks.

      As far as profit. You do see a lot of the same guys advertising a lot. I can't help but think that is because that are making money or at least breaking even while adding customers to their lists. But again, that is probably very offer dependent.
      If what you say is accurate, purchasing a bump in WSO section will cost much less and produce much more traffic. The only thing unknown is the conversion rate. Will a banner visitor convert much better than a WSO section visitor?
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Mount
    I wouldn't think of it as 2.4 hours of exposure... it's more like... 1/10th of the visitors who visit the warrior forum that day. And I believe the banners rotate randomly so it's not really easy to figure out the exact amount of exposure for that day.

    I ran a banner ad once but I didn't get my money back that day unfortunately.... but there's a lot of factors that will determine if you're successful or not.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ben Rudge
    I got 388 clicks (over a 24 hour period) from a banner ad on here. It was just direct linked because I was just testing... but I believe with a decent lead capture page I could get a few optins out of it next time.
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  • Profile picture of the author SandraLarkin
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    Well, a WSO gets an insane amount of traffic, so I'd assume if you had a great banner, offer, etc, it would work wonders.
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  • Profile picture of the author WillR
    You don't get 2.4 hours exposure, you get 24 hours exposure. I know what you mean by having 9 other advertisers but it doesn't work out like that.

    One thing you will notice is a lot of the same banners being run over and over. People don't like to spend money on advertising when they are not making any money.

    So are those ads profitable for those people? Yes.

    I've run the banner ads many of times and they have almost always been profitable for me. I just couldn't be bothered with the upkeep of the ads. It's quite a laborious process getting your ad up there and even more so to keep your same ad up there if it's successful.

    It's a case of fastest fingers first. It's not very 'set and forget'. But if you have the patience it can definitely be worth it.
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    • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
      Originally Posted by WillR View Post

      You don't get 2.4 hours exposure, you get 24 hours exposure. I know what you mean by having 9 other advertisers but it doesn't work out like that.
      I was curious about this. I guess that makes sense. While Advertiser A is featured on the AdSense forum, Advertiser B is showing on main, etc.
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    • Profile picture of the author Vlad Romanov
      Originally Posted by WillR View Post

      You don't get 2.4 hours exposure, you get 24 hours exposure. I know what you mean by having 9 other advertisers but it doesn't work out like that.

      One thing you will notice is a lot of the same banners being run over and over. People don't like to spend money on advertising when they are not making any money.

      So are those ads profitable for those people? Yes.

      I've run the banner ads many of times and they have almost always been profitable for me. I just couldn't be bothered with the upkeep of the ads. It's quite a laborious process getting your ad up there and even more so to keep your same ad up there if it's successful.

      It's a case of fastest fingers first. It's not very 'set and forget'. But if you have the patience it can definitely be worth it.
      What are you talking about?
      Based on statistics only, you are getting "2.4 hours" of the day if there are 10 ads running... Its just simple highschool stats man... Obviously they run for 24 hours, but since there are 10 ads u get 10% exposure


      Ok to clarify... lets say there are 10000 page views in a day, your ad will be displayed 1000 times if there are 10 ads in the rotation. Which pages apear at what time is irrelevant. Statistically speaking your ad will be shown to 10% of that days viewers, thats all
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      • Profile picture of the author WillR
        Originally Posted by Vlad Romanov View Post

        What are you talking about?
        Based on statistics only, you are getting "2.4 hours" of the day if there are 10 ads running... Its just simple highschool stats man... Obviously they run for 24 hours, but since there are 10 ads u get 10% exposure


        Ok to clarify... lets say there are 10000 page views in a day, your ad will be displayed 1000 times if there are 10 ads in the rotation. Which pages apear at what time is irrelevant. Statistically speaking your ad will be shown to 10% of that days viewers, thats all
        What are YOU talking about?

        Yes, you get 10% of the traffic to those banners. BUT that is NOT the same as saying the equivalent of 2.4 hours of the day. You take 10 x 2.4 hour traffic snapshots on any one day and they would all have very different numbers of traffic, I'm sure.
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        • Profile picture of the author Vlad Romanov
          Originally Posted by WillR View Post

          What are YOU talking about?

          Yes, you get 10% of the traffic to those banners. BUT that is NOT the same as saying the equivalent of 2.4 hours of the day. You take 10 x 2.4 hour traffic snapshots on any one day and they would all have very different numbers of traffic, I'm sure.
          its a generalization, obviously it matters when your ad will be shown and the 2.4 hours timeframe will give different results at different times of the day, but take a stats class and you will see that it will be generalized as 2.4hours if you get 10% of the rotation... What else is unclear?
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          • Profile picture of the author Ben Rudge
            Originally Posted by Vlad Romanov View Post

            its a generalization, obviously it matters when your ad will be shown and the 2.4 hours timeframe will give different results at different times of the day, but take a stats class and you will see that it will be generalized as 2.4hours if you get 10% of the rotation... What else is unclear?
            The 2.4 hours theory is silly. wolfmiii nailed it when he said "While Advertiser A is featured on the AdSense forum, Advertiser B is showing on main, etc."... so theoretically it is entirely possible for your ad to be displayed non stop for a 24 hour period. It's just simple highschool maths man.

            If there is 10,000 people on the forum at any one time but only 10 ads... then your ad is going to be displaying in more than one location for the full 24 hours non stop.
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            • Profile picture of the author fedor50
              I'm betting that it must be pretty darn worth. Why else would you see the same ads up on here every single day? Surely they must be making a profit otherwise they would just stop advertising on here
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            • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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              Originally Posted by Ben Rudge View Post

              The 2.4 hours theory is silly.
              This. Right now, 10 different people are seeing 10 different ads, and that process repeats for everyone on the forum right now. The 2.4 hour generalization doesn't do the advertisement much justice, since you're discounting the number of eyes that the ad reaches in those 2.4 hours. That's what matters, after all.
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          • Profile picture of the author WillR
            Originally Posted by Vlad Romanov View Post

            its a generalization, obviously it matters when your ad will be shown and the 2.4 hours timeframe will give different results at different times of the day, but take a stats class and you will see that it will be generalized as 2.4hours if you get 10% of the rotation... What else is unclear?
            Vlad,

            I don't need to take any stats classes, thanks all the same.

            Now, on to more important things...
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        • Profile picture of the author Bartoss
          I think most warriors visit more than one page on the warriorforum, this means that almost every single user will get to see your ad as the ads change everytime a user changes pages I believe. The actual time it is displayed is totally irrelevant
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  • Profile picture of the author Vlad Romanov
    Once again to clarify. I am NOT saying that the ads are displayed for 2.4hours, that is absolutely wrong.

    They are displayed 10% of the time due to a 10 ad rotation. Which leads a statistic of 2.4hours/24 based simply on the fact that 10% of 24 is 2.4.

    Why are people even arguing? This isnt the "24 hour theory" its just a simple generalization...

    Anyhow i wont interfere with this anymore, think what you want i simply corrected WillR's statement.
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    • Profile picture of the author fin
      LOL I've got to agree with Vlad.

      Even if your ad is getting shown 24hrs per day, overall it's still only getting 2.4hrs exposure.

      Math doesn't lie.
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      • Profile picture of the author ShayB
        Let's look at this from another perspective.

        In sales, it can take anywhere from 5-11 exposures before you get a sale.

        This is why you see ads repeat so often. The first time you see the Splice-O-Matic commercial, you think, "Meh."

        After seeing it a dozen times, you are much more likely to think, "Hey, that gadget is pretty neat." And then you order it.

        So if a prospect is seeing your ad in a rotation over a 24 hour period, it could be good for you in the sense of they are probably getting multiple exposures to your ad over the course of those 24 hours.

        Just some food for thought....
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      • Profile picture of the author Ben Rudge
        Originally Posted by fin View Post

        LOL I've got to agree with Vlad.

        Even if your ad is getting shown 24hrs per day, overall it's still only getting 2.4hrs exposure.

        Math doesn't lie.
        Your statement is hilarious.

        No, the maths doesn't lie... so... let's do the math shall we?

        Let's be super conservative just to be on the safe side.

        Let's say there are only 2000 people on the warrior forum at any one moment during a 24 hour period and each person only spends 1 minute on the site. This is super conservative!

        2000 people x 1 minute = 2000 minutes of ad viewing time per minute of actual time passed.
        There are 1440 minutes in a 24 hour period so:
        2000 x 1440 = 2.88 Million minutes = 48,000 hours of ad viewing time!

        The Warrior Forum has more than one page people!

        So divide 48,000 hours among 10 lucky advertisers and based on these extremely conservative figures each advertisement will be viewed for 4,800 hours over a 24 hour time period.

        $100 for 4,800 hours of ad viewing time?

        That is a bargain!

        Now, for the non-thinkers out there, the reason this is possible is because, as I mentioned earlier, the warrior forum is not just a 1 page website! If this was a 1 page website then yes, each ad would only get 2.4 hours of viewing time.

        But believe it or not, it actually has several pages!

        Several million to be more accurate.

        So, your homework for tonight is to count up all the pages here on the WF and multiply that by... a lot... and then go buy a banner ad!

        Sorry for the sarcasm warriors, but it's unfair for the rest of us when clueless people make ludicrous claims without backing up their so called argument.
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        • Profile picture of the author fin
          Originally Posted by Ben Rudge View Post

          Your statement is hilarious.

          No, the maths doesn't lie... so... let's do the math shall we?

          Let's be super conservative just to be on the safe side.

          Let's say there are only 2000 people on the warrior forum at any one moment during a 24 hour period and each person only spends 1 minute on the site. This is super conservative!

          2000 people x 1 minute = 2000 minutes of ad viewing time per minute of actual time passed.
          There are 1440 minutes in a 24 hour period so:
          2000 x 1440 = 2.88 Million minutes = 48,000 hours of ad viewing time!

          The Warrior Forum has more than one page people!

          So divide 48,000 hours among 10 lucky advertisers and based on these extremely conservative figures each advertisement will be viewed for 4,800 hours over a 24 hour time period.

          $100 for 4,800 hours of ad viewing time?

          That is a bargain!

          Now, for the non-thinkers out there, the reason this is possible is because, as I mentioned earlier, the warrior forum is not just a 1 page website! If this was a 1 page website then yes, each ad would only get 2.4 hours of viewing time.

          But believe it or not, it actually has several pages!

          Several million to be more accurate.

          So, your homework for tonight is to count up all the pages here on the WF and multiply that by... a lot... and then go buy a banner ad!

          Sorry for the sarcasm warriors, but it's unfair for the rest of us when clueless people make ludicrous claims without backing up their so called argument.
          You'll notice I said "overall".

          Someone can only be on one page at a time.

          Imagine someone is on 10 pages at separate times.

          Overall that will count as 1 time. Yes. I don't see what your argument is.
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          • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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            Originally Posted by fin View Post

            Yes. I don't see what your argument is.
            It's all semantics :rolleyes:. No one seems to be thinking of the scale of the whole thing, which in my opinion would make the $100 worth it. If you have a good enough offer, and can create an enticing banner ad, you're set. Rinse and repeat for as long as it's profitable.

            Is there really anything else to it?
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        • Profile picture of the author cliftoncarden
          Ben, Excellent point! No one really considered that there are MULTIPLE pages on the W.F. This topic is right on time for me as I am considering doing a test run on a banner.
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  • Profile picture of the author WillR
    The reality of the situation is your ad is displayed for a 24 hour period.

    The success of that ad has a lot more to do with the actual banner and the product being sold rather than anything else.

    Two people advertising on the same day will have two completely different results.
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    • Profile picture of the author susansaunders
      That makes perfect sense will. The warrior forum has thousands of pages. Lets just say there are 10k pages.. If the ads were to be rotated on each page between 10 people. That means your ad would be showing 24-7 placed on 1k pages on average at any given time.
      Originally Posted by WillR View Post

      The reality of the situation is your ad is displayed for a 24 hour period.

      The success of that ad has a lot more to do with the actual banner and the product being sold rather than anything else.

      Two people advertising on the same day will have two completely different results.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mark Andrews
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        2.4 hours? Hmmm.

        A question...

        How do you confuse an idiot?

        Answer...

        Purple.


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        • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
          Originally Posted by Mark Andrews View Post

          2.4 hours? Hmmm.

          A question...

          How do you confuse an idiot?

          Answer...

          Purple.


          Mark Andrews
          Don't be a douche. Try reading the whole thread (at least the first 7 posts, anyway). My initial assumption was that the same ad was shown throughout the forum on a rotated basis.

          I mentioned in post #7 that I realized that it is not done that way. Thanks for your enlightening contribution anyway.

          EDIT: Also threw a THANKS your way since that's clearly what you were hoping for.
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          • Profile picture of the author Mark Andrews
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            Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

            Don't be a douche. Try reading the whole thread (at least the first 7 posts, anyway). My initial assumption was that the same ad was shown throughout the forum on a rotated basis.

            I mentioned in post #7 that I realized that it is not done that way. Thanks for your enlightening contribution anyway.

            EDIT: Also threw a THANKS your way since that's clearly what you were hoping for.
            I did read the whole thread. I always read an entire thread before replying to any one thread.

            No need to take such perceived aspersion so seriously, I mean't you no umbrage.

            It was simply a lighthearted joke.

            Try grabbing a sense of humor.

            My remark was aimed at those posters trying to convince others their math was off kilter.

            Look at it this way...

            The WF contains many pages.

            And your banner ad, if you was to place one on this forum, is seen on every single page in the most prominent location on every page.

            So if you go to the Main Internet Marketing forum for example, you'll see one banner ad at the top of the page and x amount of people will see it at any given time and click through.

            Another load of people they go to another section of the forum and they get to see another banner ad. They then open up a link to go to another thread and lo and behold, there's another banner ad.

            Repeat for each sub-forum ad infinitum.

            Times this by many page views individually each person perusing the forum, opening up new pages (threads) all over the place and your banner ad will have an equal chance* as anyone else's to be seen the same number of times as all the rest of the people sharing this banner ad spot at any one time. Currently 10 individual offers. (*Depending of course on the title and attractiveness (pulling power) of your banner ad).

            So as someone else pointed out above...

            ...if there was just one page section on this forum, yes you would see your banner for only 2.4 hours but the fact that there are millions of pages, chances are your banner ad combined across ALL of these pages, shared with 9 other banner ad advertisers the total amount of time... the quoted 2.4 hours is a completely mute point.

            If anyone cannot fathom that one out they really shouldn't be in business in the first place.

            Hence the dry humor used.


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            • Profile picture of the author fin
              Originally Posted by Mark Andrews View Post


              ...if there was just one page section on this forum, yes you would see your banner for only 2.4 hours but the fact that there are millions of pages, chances are your banner ad combined across ALL of these pages, shared with 9 other banner ad advertisers the total amount of time... the quoted 2.4 hours is a completely mute point.

              If anyone cannot fathom that one out they really shouldn't be in business in the first place.
              I see you agree that if there was only one page, statistically speaking you would get 2.4hrs of show time.

              If there was only one page there might be 10,000 people who could see it.

              Even if it's spread out over 10 pages, statistically speaking there would still only be 10,000 people who would see it. You can't just times the 10,000 by 10. It would be spread out.

              So statistically speaking it would still only be, in total, 2.5hrs show time.

              But I agree that it's a mute point because the forum doesn't work on statistics.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andy Fletcher
    This entire thread made me sad.

    Banner ads aren't measured in hours.

    The stats you should care about are CPM and CPC.

    Since the Warrior Forum let's you buy a time-slot rather than a number of displays you don't get to know your CPM, you only get to know your CPC. But that's the stat you care more about anyway so it doesn't matter.

    If you don't get what I've just said. Save the $100 because I can guarantee you it won't be profitable.
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  • Profile picture of the author seether101
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    agree with Willr, depends on the product you are promoting, not the forum itself or the ad price.
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  • If 10,000 people came to the website and only viewed one page, your ad would only be viewed by 1,000 people, assuming the rotation is 'completely' equal.

    Assuming this is the truth, you can anticipate 10% coverage.

    More realistically, you can anticipate something more in the ranges of 30%-50%, maybe higher depending on how many pages each visitor views before leaving the forum. This is because most browsers view many pages, thus increasing the overall populous of who views your offer.

    You couldn't even say you only get 2.4 hours coverage, there are to many variables involved, such as.. If every single visitor viewed "x" pages for "x" amounts of seconds, than you get "x" amount of advert time. There is no way to determine how much time your advert will be displayed as it directly relates to end users browsing behaviors.

    I agree WillR - there is no way to put a number on it, results will be different for every offer. Inevitably having a great product and advert will determine success, oh.. and a little luck!
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  • What a pointless debate really...

    Anyway, on average I've gotten around 200 clicks for my $100 banners, so that works at $0.5 per click. It's up to you to decide whether that's worth it for you or not. It depends on your landing page conversion, etc.

    By the way, I've been trying to secure banners for the whole month and my banners just wouldn't get approved, even though they comply with the WF rules.
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  • Profile picture of the author BenStevens
    I think it's worth it. If nothing else is ads to brand awareness if your ad is spelled out right.
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    My head really hurts now!

    Just called in for a little relaxation time and now I need a lie down
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    • Profile picture of the author Lance K
      If you have a good message to market match, $100 for access to 10% of WF's traffic for a day would easily be worth it.
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  • Profile picture of the author RD Phoenix
    Got to agree with Andy, what matters is your CPC.
    The quality of your banner will determine that.
    Anyone know a good Banner ad creation service?
    I dont mean a tool and i am also not looking at fiverr.com for that service, there must be someone offering that service that has proven conversions from their banners.
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  • Profile picture of the author CAPTCHAbiz
    Hey,

    I have bought $1000's worth of banner many times and few times i haven't recovered the cost of it however learned an important lesson.

    Before you make your banner live, make sure to:

    1) Check the current conversion of your WSO price. If you are using w+ you'll get the conversion idea.

    2) Before you buy $100 banner ad, change the 'WSO thread' title, with the exact words that you are planning to use in your 'banner description', if your WSO is old BUMP it for $40 (yup additional $40, but worth it) before bumping, make sure to check the 'number of visitors' (from w+) and then bump it, leave it for 24hrs and after that, check for total number of visitors received on your WSO in last 24hrs. This would give you the very nice idea of 'CTR' your banner might received. As a rule of thumb, i consider the final number of visitor that i may receive from banner ad as 50% extra from WSO thread (though it could be much more).

    3) Check my sales for the last 24hrs from WSO bump.
    IF total revenue is 'Greater' then $100 = Your banner ad would work and make you profit.
    IF it's LESS then $100, you should either increase the price of WSO product, or try with some other Title and repeat the process.

    Many other factors counts however these are some basic thing that could return nice ROI.

    My personal suggestion is, price your WSO between $77-$97 before buying banner ad (assuming your WSO product could justify this price range).

    In nutshell, things before considering banner ad:
    1) Present product Conversion based on Warrior Plus stats.
    2) Increase in traffic by changing WSO thread title (title means thread 'headline', sorry, i am not getting the correct word for it) with your potential banner content.
    3) Adjusting of WSO price based on current conversion.

    All above applies to WSO selling product (not to list building WSO's). Hope it helps.

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    • Profile picture of the author curly sue
      NOT worth it, its best to engage with members in the forum to get exposure.
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  • Profile picture of the author michaeljcheney
    Cost Per Click is one thing but even more important is the lifetime value of each click - sure you might get a few clicks to your WSO or landing page or frontend sale but then what?

    Without getting too down the wormhole here - you need to know the average lifetime customer value you have in your business. This way - you could even LOSE money on your advertising (banners or otherwise) but still make money in the long run.

    You always need to be thinking two steps ahead in your sales funnel.
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  • Profile picture of the author affspy
    Thank you for bringing this subject, i wanted to ask before purchasing a banner.
    But from what i read, it is worth and much better than Google Ads or Facebook Ads especially the audience is very targeted.
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  • Profile picture of the author faisalmaximus
    I am seeing some banners which are placed at a regular basis. So, if they are not getting proper return, why they are placing adds day after day ? So, $100 for 2.4 hours is worthy from their point of view.
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  • Profile picture of the author marketwarrior06
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    I just want to add that you have to remember that its Warrior forum. the best one ever. alexa is 143.
    and you should know that the ad portion is never vacant. So are these people running these for nothing? They are getting good return that's why they are running these ads right?
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  • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
    Fair enough. It didn't come across as lighthearted to me as the OP.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tarismo818
    Its definitely more than 2.4 hours of exposure
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  • Profile picture of the author faisalmaximus
    I am planning to place a banner add, I will definitely share my experience with you...
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  • Profile picture of the author ryant21
    Read the whole thread and got question :
    Can we put affiliate Link to other people WSO onto the banner ad ? if yes, has anybody try it yet, ...result?
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  • Profile picture of the author BloggingPro
    Kind of a silly thread, and based upon the generalization of 10% of 24 hours, it's still a silly statistic. You should care about CPC when advertising online. Period.

    That said, whoever's advertisement (1 of 10 apparently) showing to visitors in this thread just scored some extra exposure! LOL.
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    • Profile picture of the author Haroon Ballim
      The banner ads are certainly in demand , trying getting one . Its a matter of luck . Sometimes you can try for months before you get approved even if you meet all the criteria .

      I tried it , finally got one of my banners approved but alas conversion was not good so I ended up paying more than I got out . So it really depends on what is the current flavour of the month and how complelling your headline is.

      I have seen a number of ads run very often so they must be profitable for many . Its also not just the dollars you make while the banner is running , but also building your list.

      Also look at your price point . If you are selling your item at $5 , you will need at least 20 sales to break even , not counting your paypal costs. If you break even is that good . Yes it is as you are building your list. If you make more thats a real bonus.
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      • Profile picture of the author theemperor
        People keep advertising so its probably worth it. I used it once and got 80 clicks and $33 in commissions. So I failed but I learned something.

        As for the 2.4 hours...well its better than the 1.3 hours you would get if you spent $100 on adwords :-)
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          • Profile picture of the author ryant21
            This Thread need some more of These :

            Originally Posted by Anonymous Affiliate View Post

            Anyway, on average I've gotten around 200 clicks for my $100 banners, so that works at $0.5 per click.
            Originally Posted by Ben Rudge View Post

            I got 388 clicks (over a 24 hour period) from a banner ad on here.
            Originally Posted by CAPTCHAbiz View Post

            Hey,
            I have bought $1000's worth of banner many times and few times i haven't recovered the cost of it however learned an important lesson.
            Before you make your banner live, make sure to:
            1) Check the current conversion of your WSO price. If you are using w+ you'll get the conversion idea.
            2) Before you buy $100 banner ad, change the 'WSO thread' title, with the exact words that you are planning to use in your 'banner description', if your WSO is old BUMP it for $40 (yup additional $40, but worth it) before bumping, make sure to check the 'number of visitors' (from w+) and then bump it, leave it for 24hrs and after that, check for total number of visitors received on your WSO in last 24hrs. This would give you the very nice idea of 'CTR' your banner might received. As a rule of thumb, i consider the final number of visitor that i may receive from banner ad as 50% extra from WSO thread (though it could be much more).
            3) Check my sales for the last 24hrs from WSO bump.
            IF total revenue is 'Greater' then $100 = Your banner ad would work and make you profit.
            IF it's LESS then $100, you should either increase the price of WSO product, or try with some other Title and repeat the process.
            Many other factors counts however these are some basic thing that could return nice ROI.
            My personal suggestion is, price your WSO between $77-$97 before buying banner ad (assuming your WSO product could justify this price range).
            In nutshell, things before considering banner ad:
            1) Present product Conversion based on Warrior Plus stats.
            2) Increase in traffic by changing WSO thread title (title means thread 'headline', sorry, i am not getting the correct word for it) with your potential banner content.
            3) Adjusting of WSO price based on current conversion.
            All above applies to WSO selling product (not to list building WSO's). Hope it helps.
            Thanks,
            Carson
            Originally Posted by theemperor View Post

            People keep advertising so its probably worth it. I used it once and got 80 clicks and $33 in commissions. So I failed but I learned something.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gsdlady
    I think it would be worth it. If you have a good advertising line and a product or service someone is looking for they would click on your ad. So if just 30 people followed through and you earned 100 from 10 of these people that would be a 900 profit minus the 100 you paid for the ad. These are small numbers compared to the number of people who visit the WF hourly.
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  • Profile picture of the author 8485marketing
    You could simply look at it as a way of visitor value - If you had 100 opt ins for that $100
    then thats not bad. You could easily recoup that.

    Banner ads dont have to be instantly profitable, but look at the value the visitors will bring to your business in terms of future sales or continuity. If one of those 100 subscribers opts in to a $97p/m continuity program then you lose $3 and gained 100 subscribers and 1 continuity member. Pretty good result i'd say.

    Thought id try and add something of value here as the argument over exposure time has confused the hell out of me. I really think its irrelevant. The stats are what will matter to you in the end.
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  • Profile picture of the author Stuart Campbell
    Killer post LloydC , I was reading lastnight about banner ads on the WF, then saw this post, thought let me read this and get some info and answers about the value of banners.

    Well that didn't go as planned....
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  • I see the same banners there a lot so it must mean that the same warriors are making cash from that advertising form.
    But I am sure it depends on a few factors such as what you are promoting, price, etc etc
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  • Profile picture of the author Des Lau
    Submitted my banner last Thursday, approved on Saturday.

    I think it has got to do with simplicity and design of the ad, and also the 24hour option is probably an easier fit for their availability.

    If anyone needs me to design it, I can do it quiet quickly and cheaply.
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  • Profile picture of the author seobro
    It would depend on what you are selling now. Craft the ad to fit the audience, as in do not use an old banner, but create a new one. Target that new and improved banner at the WF viewers. I have bought a few product by clicking on a WF ad and was happy with the results I got, but your mileage may vary.

    Typically I expect that at least 5% of people who click on my ad will purchase my product or service. If you get 300 clicks in a day that is only a paltry 15 sales and I would make approx $150 which is close to break even.

    I prefer to make $500 when I place a $100 ad, but that is just me.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rus Sells
    I've used the banner ad a couple of times for pre-launch list building. All the mathmaticians in here have made my head spin though and I noticed that it was only mentioned slightly that some users have more then one tab or window open in the forum, also each time a page is refreshed a new ad can appear as well.

    What I REALLY wish the forum would bring back are those little text ads that were very reasonably priced at $40 per week. I love those and had awesome results with them.

    Lets petition Alan to bring those back!
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