Warriors Who Sell Web Design Services

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Not to bash wforum,but ive found services a lot cheaper at freelancer to wforum, i believe the guys on wforum outsource it to them, so you wanna cut out the middleman.

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TheGraphicsGuy

14 years ago

Originally Posted by seether101

Not to bash wforum,but ive found services a lot cheaper at freelancer to wforum, i believe the guys on wforum outsource it to them, so you wanna cut out the middleman.

If you need cheaper services, try fiverr.

I, however, agree to the fact that there are alot of outsources on WF.. But, again, not everyone is. A person who has spent a decent amount of time in web development business can differentiate easily..

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Andyhenry

14 years ago

I charge at least £1200 for a standard website and hosting, usually more.

Sure, I could charge less, but actually I don't consider building websites a high value activity so if I'm going to do it I want to know it's worth it.

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magiclouie

14 years ago

You should consider selling mobile optimized site services as well:

1. Simple Mobile Site (includes 3 pages) - $275
2. Standard Mobile Site (includes 6 pages) - $297
3. Advanced Mobile Site (includes 10 pages) - $497

For web design services, other marketers prefer to give them for free and then, they have follow-up methods and marketing that can let them earn decent income.

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Louie Tugas

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mspm

14 years ago

Thanks. The new WordPress themes are responsive now (can be used with mobile). So, I don't see a big future in mobile for me.

Originally Posted by magiclouie

You should consider selling mobile optimized site services as well:

1. Simple Mobile Site (includes 3 pages) - $275
2. Standard Mobile Site (includes 6 pages) - $297
3. Advanced Mobile Site (includes 10 pages) - $497

For web design services, other marketers prefer to give them for free and then, they have follow-up methods and marketing that can let them earn decent income.

Sincerely,
Louie Tugas

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blillard

14 years ago

You should base your rates off each individual client. No two are clients and their projects are created equal so it is good to take that into account when pricing your services.

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RD Phoenix

14 years ago

Minimum £500 if using automation.
If its bespoke its minimum £2000 plus extra for extra features.

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John Romaine

14 years ago

Pat, as said, each job is unique and should be charged accordingly. Unless of course, you're pushing cookie cutter style "churn n burn" websites. A lot of freelancers do this using Wordpress. It comes down to what business model you want to adopt.

Rule number 1 - Dont undercharge just to get the job.
Rule number 2 - Prequalify your clients (ask them how serious they are, and their allocated budget)
Rule number 3 - ALWAYS use signed agreements and contracts.

You might find the following two posts useful. (Hopefully these wont get deleted, because trying to figure out what to charge is usually always something that stumps a lot just starting out)

What is the Best Way To Charge For Web Design - Fixed Rates or Hourly?

3 Points That Will Help You Determine How Much to Charge for Web Design

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mspm

14 years ago

John,

Thanks so much for your response - great info! I'm actually going to offer marketing services, but there are still so many US businesses that don't have a website. But as we say, "you have to crawl before you can walk". So I'm offering websites as a way to jumpstart their marketing. Hopefully, something in between custom and cookie cutter. :-) Thanks again!

Originally Posted by John Romaine

Pat, as said, each job is unique and should be charged accordingly. Unless of course, you're pushing cookie cutter style "churn n burn" websites. A lot of freelancers do this using Wordpress. It comes down to what business model you want to adopt.

Rule number 1 - Dont undercharge just to get the job.
Rule number 2 - Prequalify your clients (ask them how serious they are, and their allocated budget)
Rule number 3 - ALWAYS use signed agreements and contracts.

You might find the following two posts useful. (Hopefully these wont get deleted, because trying to figure out what to charge is usually always something that stumps a lot just starting out)

Best of luck.

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JustLemons

14 years ago

I think it truly depends on the client I'm working with and what they want to do with their sites. For those of us that sell sites here on WF we tend to price them VERY cheap so that the average joe is able to afford our services. That being said because they are at a steep discount the site design isn't as indepth as they would be if they had contacted us directly through our site.

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Anoopchawla

14 years ago

I tried using the website design model plus hosting here in India, and I found it really hard to convince people to buy website even for $500.

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Lightlysalted

14 years ago

It's the wrong business to be in. Website design margins are minimal especially as many hosting services thrown in a template wizard for less than 25 dollars. Focus on SEO services.

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Andyhenry

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Paid Surveys

It's the wrong business to be in. Website design margins are minimal especially as many hosting services thrown in a template wizard for less than 25 dollars. Focus on SEO services.

That's crazy - I've had clients pay me more than $20k for website work - it would take a year to get that from most clients for SEO work.

Don't leave any options off the table, just take opportunities as they come based on their merit and reward.

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John Romaine

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Paid Surveys

It's the wrong business to be in. Website design margins are minimal especially as many hosting services thrown in a template wizard for less than 25 dollars. Focus on SEO services.

Whilst I agree, why not offer both?

I know of a big time Internet marketer who offers low cost websites for $199 and he does alright. The real trick is NOT doing the work yourself.

You need to refine a system, build a team, and replicate replicate replicate.

I'm sure if you're making $150 a pop per install, and paying your virtual assistant the remainder - then there's nothing wrong with that. Especially given the high demand for simple low cost websites.

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mspm

14 years ago

Thanks to everyone who took time to respond. Appreciate it.

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HelpingYouBeAnExpert

14 years ago

I have sold tons over the years from $150 to $20,000

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14 years ago

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jbyte

14 years ago

Google freelance switch calculator, the calculator is great to determine what you should be charging based on what you want to make as a freelancer.

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Paul Barrs

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Andyhenry

I charge at least £1200 for a standard website and hosting, usually more.

Pat,

I base my fees on an hourly service... how long it might take to get it done (including revisions); that hourly rate is $100 / hr. The average spend per client is about $1,200 - but my minimum is $750. It's just not worth getting started for anything less than that.

But as John says -

Originally Posted by John Romaine

Rule number 1 - Dont undercharge just to get the job.
Rule number 2 - Prequalify your clients (ask them how serious they are, and their allocated budget)

He also said, "ALWAYS use signed agreements and contracts." - I don't, but I do ask for 50% upfront. When I invoice that to them I include on the invoice EXACTLY what I will be ding and also what *they* will be doing as a part of the job.

Just two weeks ago I closed the door on a client who said, "yes, yes, yes...." to every step of the way - until I asked for the deposit... haven't heard from them since. This is the kind of customer you DON'T want. It ain't worth the money.

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mspm

14 years ago

Thanks, Paul!

Yes, some people balk at contracts. So, right now I think I will try what you suggest. Do you bill electronically? I was thinking of using PayPal.

Originally Posted by Paul Barrs

Pat,

I base my fees on an hourly service... how long it might take to get it done (including revisions); that hourly rate is $100 / hr. The average spend per client is about $1,200 - but my minimum is $750. It's just not worth getting started for anything less than that.

But as John says -

He also said, "ALWAYS use signed agreements and contracts." - I don't, but I do ask for 50% upfront. When I invoice that to them I include on the invoice EXACTLY what I will be ding and also what *they* will be doing as a part of the job.

Just two weeks ago I closed the door on a client who said, "yes, yes, yes...." to every step of the way - until I asked for the deposit... haven't heard from them since. This is the kind of customer you DON'T want. It ain't worth the money.

Paul Barrs

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Paul Barrs 14 years ago

Originally Posted by mspm

Thanks, Paul!

Yes, some people balk at contracts. So, right now I think I will try what you suggest. Do you bill electronically? I was thinking of using PayPal.

Yes, and I do use PayPal also. Easy to do.

Paul
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John Romaine 14 years ago

Originally Posted by mspm

Yes, some people balk at contracts.

Thats not your problem, thats theirs.

Use a contract, or you'll find yourself with annoying change requests, scope creep or the possibility of non payment.
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TheArticlePros

14 years ago

I generally do what a couple of Warriors suggested and offer a lower-cost option, but then I go for a long-term approach also. What I offer are either mini niche sites, authority sites, or newsletter subscription sites. They range from $97-$297, depending on the size and need of the client, and then I take an angle to become their long-term content provider, meaning that they're ordering articles, e-books, and newsletters from my company for the foreseeable future.

Granted, I'm not getting as much money as the other guys up-front (and after seeing their numbers, my rates may be going up!), but over time it adds up.

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fedor50

14 years ago

Originally Posted by JaRyCu

I generally do what a couple of Warriors suggested and offer a lower-cost option, but then I go for a long-term approach also. What I offer are either mini niche sites, authority sites, or newsletter subscription sites. They range from $97-$297, depending on the size and need of the client, and then I take an angle to become their long-term content provider, meaning that they're ordering articles, e-books, and newsletters from my company for the foreseeable future.

Granted, I'm not getting as much money as the other guys up-front (and after seeing their numbers, my rates may be going up!), but over time it adds up.

-- j

This is actually an approach that I generally take as well. I charge a lower up front cost to try and produce a long term client. This way they are getting SEO, marketing,etc all done through me.

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Baadier Sydow

14 years ago

My base site is ZAR 8000 which is about $1000. I do base my prices of what I see as the going rate dollar wise. This is for the decent websites though I plan on bringing in a much lower end product for people looking for a budget option. My intention would be to put them through a sales funnel and sell them further options over time with the $1000 option being offered at the end of it and other services like SEO, social and ppp management being offered in the middle.

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Scott E

14 years ago

$500 is probably the minimum, get your foot in the door and then you can offer them more

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BOBTYLOR

14 years ago

I think it truly is determined by the consumer I'm dealing with and what they want to do with their websites. For those of us that offer websites here on WF we are inclined to cost them VERY inexpensive so that the normal joe is able to manage our solutions. That being said because they are at a extreme lower cost the website style isn't as in depth as they would be if they had approached us straight through our website.

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Social App Zone

14 years ago

I tend to charge $5000 for an exclusive package including hosting and software that with in reason should earn them 50k = 100k per year.

So far happy customers

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