JVZOO Getresponse vs Aweber Oh the irony?

12 years ago

Could be that the announcement was simply made early, and they have yet to physically move their mailing list to GetResponse.

I have seen hints that Aweber is moving their business away from the IM community. It has been suggested, and I tend to agree that Aweber is trying to maneuver itself more to corporate clients, and less with IM clients.

At this time, GetResponse is committed to the IM community.

I have accounts with both Aweber, GetResponse and JVzoo, for the record.

I would not be faulting JVzoo just yet for making the announcement prior to moving their own lists to GetResponse, however, "Brian Zimmerman... LOL You should have seen it coming... :p"

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by tpw

I have seen hints that Aweber is moving their business away from the IM community. It has been suggested, and I tend to agree that Aweber is trying to maneuver itself more to corporate clients, and less with IM clients.

If this is the case, then do you mean they are closing accounts, or getting 'rid' of clients who are in the IM niche?

or recommending them to leave aweber? lol which I know they cant do.

how will the be moving away from the IM community? or will the reject applications of clients who make a squeeze page in the IM niche ?

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Ikon

12 years ago

Annoucement was 1 month ago tomorrow quiet fitting

That sounds right with aweber and I have had a similar thought that getresponse is a more accomadating platform that likes internet markets and why JVZOO couldnt get aweber to partner because they simply done want to.

I also have accounts with Aweber, GetRespone and my product is selling on JVZOO

As mentioned is not to attack any of the parties, just maybe to find a more concrete answer on whats best and why the conflicted messages.

Just on a note ive just taken a look at the 10 email lists that I received a email from today

8 Aweber
1 Getresponse
1 random

This from top marketeres as I unsubscribe all the crap.

Theres definetly something in the air for Aweber and probably not best for them to think about counting us internet marketers out!

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David Keith

12 years ago

There is probably not just a single reason, but rather a combination of things.

For one, moving a list is not an easy thing to do. I have a rather large list at aweber and moving it is just not feasible. Not just due to loss of subscribers but the countless web forms i have in various places all over the place. So it is entirely possible to sort of get locked into an AR provider.

As far as recommending a solution you don't use, I am guilty of the same thing regarding these exact 2 companies. I use Aweber and have since they opened their doors, but if a new IMers asks my honest opinion today I would probably recommend GR over Aweber for a number of reasons.

@TPW. I also have some very credible information that suggests aweber is becoming less IM friendly for a number of reasons. One of those reasons is due to SEO stuff oddly enough. There are things that changed in the last couple algorithm changes that only very serious SEO testers have noticed.

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Bryan Zimmerman

12 years ago

Originally Posted by David Keith

There is probably not just a single reason, but rather a combination of things.

Thank you, isn't it easy when someone takes two seconds to think and not just make a blind statement

Originally Posted by David Keith

For one, moving a list is not an easy thing to do. I have a rather large list at aweber and moving it is just not feasible. Not just due to loss of subscribers but the countless web forms i have in various places all over the place.

This plays a part, making adjustments to the integration as we see how well it's working, but the bigger part is working out details on getting a private mailing servers and other things that there's just no point in talking about. JVZoo absolutely has a GR account and is absolutely using their services as well.

Originally Posted by David Keith

@TPW. I also have some very credible information that suggests aweber is becoming less IM friendly for a number of reasons.

We simply think that GetResponse is a better company, has a better service and is more in tune to what the IM community is doing. That's why we approached them and that's why we worked a deal for our members.

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Ikon

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Bryan Zimmerman

Thank you, isn't it easy when someone takes two seconds to think and not just make a blind statement

Did you forget to take 2 seconds to read the OP conveniently not addressing the point for JVZOO users?

"GetResponse is a staple in the Internet marketing world and we are proud to exclusively utilize their new technology,"

Is there a different meaning to exclusive that im not aware of?

This plays a part, making adjustments to the integration as we see how well it's working, but the bigger part is working out details on getting a private mailing servers and other things that there's just no point in talking about.

This reads like you want your own private mailing servers and will still not be using getresponse or aweber in future?

JVZoo absolutely has a GR account and is absolutely using their services as well.

JVZoo has a GR account and uses it where exactly? Is it not that one of the owners has a GR account?

Cause its doesnt seem JVZOO utilizes getresponse in any form.

Now no doubt here we are all marketer and we promote stuff to make money, but your sending out mixed messages by saying that its a better provider and used exclusively by JVZOO when it isnt.

It makes me question how ethical your promotion is? So I see this as a important thing to be addressed.

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Bryan Zimmerman

12 years ago

Originally Posted by MillionaireMart

Did you forget to take 2 seconds to read the OP conveniently not addressing the point for JVZOO users?

Nope, I read it, sorry the response didn't fit what you wanted to hear, but I explained it pretty well.

Originally Posted by MillionaireMart

Is there a different meaning to exclusive that im not aware of?

No, you just didn't take 2 seconds to figure out what it means in this situation. It's called we're the only one's on the internet that has the NEW integration that we built with them into our system that gives our vendors instant single optin during the sales process.

Originally Posted by MillionaireMart

This reads like you want your own private mailing servers and will still not be using getresponse or aweber in future?

No, GR offers private mailing servers to anyone who would like to use them, not just JVZoo, anyone. Please look it up at GR should you need further clarification

You keep adding to your post up there making it look like I didn't respond lol. It is used exclusively by JVZoo, we're the only ones that have it

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Ikon

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Bryan Zimmerman

No, you just didn't take 2 seconds to figure out what it means in this situation. It's called we're the only one's on the internet that has the NEW integration that we built with them into our system that gives our vendors instant single optin during the sales process.

You started with the 2 second thing and bashing me so lets talk like business people ok??

Address the points rather than take a jive at the OP because you didnt like what you saw. You could have easily said that from the start rather than being evasive and only quoting the rest of the thread.

Whats new about it? Its a standard feature of getresponse that allows people single optin that can be done on WSO Pro and JVZOO I believe before this "partnership".

Which can also be done with aweber on WSO Pro and JVzoo as I currently do btw..

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zerofill

12 years ago

Originally Posted by MillionaireMart

Whats new about it? Its a standard feature of getresponse that allows people single optin that can be done on WSO Pro and JVZOO I believe before this "partnership".

JVZoo the API key you get from GR allows the subscriber to be added without clicking an email confirm link later.

Otherwise if you use the API key they still have to click a confirm link. (Doesn't matter if your list is set to single or not)

If you use the API key on your own site they still have t confirm. It is just a deal they made with GetResponse that when the email is added coming from their server it is single optin.

EDIT: I did switch from Aweber to GetResponse cause my deliverability in Aweber was sucking

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Ikon

12 years ago

Originally Posted by zerofill

JVZoo the API key you get from GR allows the subscriber to be added without clicking an email confirm link later. (Doesn't matter if your list is set to single or not)

If you use the API key on your own site they still have t confirm. It is just a deal they made with GetResponse that when the email is added coming from their server it is single optin.

I must be missing something cause ive always seen that aweber and getresponse do it without sending out a confirmation link when set to single optin..

Kinda defeats the purpose of having them opted in after purchasing but they still need to confirm?

When I changed my Aweber from confirmed to single every buyer went on my list. Same with getresponse as soon as they sign up or buy thats it they go on the list no confirmation.

Interesting Edit @ Zerofill: Your the first ive heard say that!

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tpw 12 years ago

Originally Posted by zerofill

EDIT: I did switch from Aweber to GetResponse cause my deliverability in Aweber was sucking

Originally Posted by MillionaireMart

Interesting Edit @ Zerofill: Your the first ive heard say that!

A number of marketers have been talking about that since the first of the year.
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zerofill

12 years ago

Originally Posted by MillionaireMart

Interesting Edit @ Zerofill: Your the first ive heard say that!

Not everyone seems to be affected and it is sporadic. Which of course like an email service they send out form multiple IPs. But I guess they aren't cleaning them that well... My biggest issues was Yahoo, Gmail, and then Hotmail.

You take out Gmails this day and age... and you have a super low delivery rate. You might as well throw half your list in the garbage.

I have yahoo and gmails (of my own) on my list. When I sent an email out and they received em... I knew I was good to go. When they didn't I knew I was screwed again.

2 weeks good, 2 to 3 weeks of **** delivery. Which tells me they needed to clean those IPs a little better.

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Ikon

12 years ago

Originally Posted by zerofill

Not everyone seems to be affected and it is sporadic. Which of course like an email service they send out form multiple IPs. But I guess they aren't cleaning them that well... My biggest issues was Yahoo, Gmail, and then Hotmail.

You take out Gmails this day and age... and you have a super low delivery rate. You might as well throw half your list in the garbage.

I have yahoo and gmails (of my own) on my list. When I sent an email out and they received em... I knew I was good to go. When they didn't I knew I was screwed again.

2 weeks good, 2 to 3 weeks of **** delivery. Which tells me they needed to clean those IPs a little better.

I heard the same reasons why people dropped GetResponse and went back to aweber that gmails were the biggest problem..

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zerofill 12 years ago

Originally Posted by MillionaireMart

I heard the same reasons why people dropped GetResponse and went back to aweber that gmails were the biggest problem..

Dunno... I had an issue on 2 emails... but that was it. After that my delivery been smoking Aweber.
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JimDucharme

12 years ago

Originally Posted by MillionaireMart

When I changed my Aweber from confirmed to single every buyer went on my list. Same with getresponse as soon as they sign up or buy thats it they go on the list no confirmation.

If I understand you right, then no, that's not the case regarding GetResponse under standard circumstances.

As well, in your OP you referenced moving/importing lists. If you wish to import a list to GetResponse with no re-confirmation, this is possible if the list meets certain requirements/standards set by our compliance department. Anyone can contact our support team regarding this for more information.

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davidkings 12 years ago

Apparently Jvzoo is booming at a good speed, so good luck to it.

aweber might in the future do what getresponse has done, with Jvzoo,

if they see the potential it has

(Im not saying aweber cannot see the potential lol) but you know what i mean
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Bryan Zimmerman

12 years ago

Originally Posted by MillionaireMart

Whats new about it? Its a standard feature of getresponse that allows people single optin that can be done on WSO Pro and JVZOO I believe before this "partnership".

What is new about it is the fact that when a person buys on JVZoo, at the moment of purchase that buyers email address goes onto that vendors list as a single optin without the confirmation email being sent out. Vendors are allowed to create new single optin lists from inside JVZoo that are also instantly single optin. Currently no other platform on the internet has this functionality.

It is not a functionality that was there before the JVZoo integration as the ability to instantly have a single optin account as well as create new lists from inside JVZoo did not exist. We built the system together with GR, there for it is only available at JVZoo for vendors.

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Ikon

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Bryan Zimmerman

What is new about it is the fact that when a person buys on JVZoo, at the moment of purchase that buyers email address goes onto that vendors list as a single optin without the confirmation email being sent out. Vendors are allowed to create new single optin lists from inside JVZoo that are also instantly single optin. Currently no other platform on the internet has this functionality.

It is not a functionality that was there before the JVZoo integration as the ability to instantly have a single optin account as well as create new lists from inside JVZoo did not exist. We built the system together with GR, there for it is only available at JVZoo for vendors.

I dont see that myself its standard function aweber and getresponse that you just need to turn on and add your list to JVZOO or WSO Pro.

But maybe thats whats so special about it that you allow people to not have to turn it on....

Do your plans involve using getresponse on JVzoo in future? OR as you said your moving to a private mailing list server?

Maybe you can give more insight into the OP about what autoresponder to use.

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Bryan Zimmerman 12 years ago

Originally Posted by MillionaireMart

I dont see that myself its standard function aweber and getresponse that you just need to turn on and add your list to JVZOO or WSO Pro.

You cannot "turn it on" with GetResponse. If you go into your account right now and try to create a single optin list, you can't do it. There's a button there, but it's greyed out. You can't just create a single optin list, but with an account through JVZoo, you get instant single optin functionality.

Originally Posted by MillionaireMart

But maybe thats whats so special about it that you allow people to not have to turn it on....

Correct, you have it turned on automatically.

Originally Posted by MillionaireMart

Do your plans involve using getresponse on JVzoo in future? OR as you said your moving to a private mailing list server?

Absolutely, we already have some things we use GR for as far as lists go. The private mailing server is something that GR offers to anyone. It's not something we are trying to get as a "perk" or anything like that, we're trying to work out the best deal with them that will fit what we need now and in the future.

Originally Posted by MillionaireMart

Maybe you can give more insight into the OP about what autoresponder to use.

I would use GetResponse, simple as that and not because we have something in place with them either. I would choose them because they were approachable, because I can get someone on the phone in minutes that can solve a problem for me, because they are very aware of what we do as marketers and are open to things that other places shy away from as long as they are done the right way.

Bottom line, they acted like they gave a sh$t when I brought them the idea. So much so that the person I was talking to left a party pretty much to go back and write up an email to the owner moments after the initial conversation took place. That to me shows they "get it" and are willing to do what it takes to be the best in their industry. But that's just my opinion.
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JimDucharme

12 years ago

@drunkenmonkey

I appreciate your kind words about GetResponse and the honest opinion. However, we'll deal with anyone who violates our ToS.

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JimDucharme

12 years ago

Originally Posted by drunkenmonkey

Jim,

The whole time I used GetResponse ..it rocked!!

Your functionality is a mile above Aweber, that's why I chose it.

..Actually, my account with you guys is still open, I just haven't used it in a while.

Wow...thanks for making my day! I don't think folks realize just how awesome it is to hear this kind of thing no matter who you work for.

I'll pass along the comments to our team! We're pretty pumped about our new drag and drop editor and our social media analytics which we just released. I won't say more because I don't want to get too promotional here.

On a personal note, I've found it both a lot of fun and rewarding to work with Brian and EBR (not too mention Chad). I really consider them to be friends as much as anything else. They've been honest and upfront with me the entire way and I think that's worth mentioning here.

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JimDucharme

12 years ago

Originally Posted by drunkenmonkey

@Jim I'm logging out now..but that was not a testimonial...in the sense of "let's use that to promote JVZOO and how WF members LOVE it..look at what one guy said....."...NOT a testimonial right.

Quite frankly I think W+ and JVZOO can get stuffed..I don't promote anything from either.

I just made a comment.

K thx.

Never did I think it was a testimonial about our partnership with JVZOO! I only wanted to sincerely thank you for your kind words about GetResponse sir.

I understood you were speaking directly about GR and nothing else and those postitive comments about GR were all I intended to pass on to our team only. And I would never use your comment as a testimonial unless I asked first.

I apologize if my response was unclear or caused any confusion.

Edit: in fact, my response was (with the best of intentions) awkward and I see why you would be compelled to respond and clarify. Again, sorry my fault entirely.

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kindsvater

12 years ago

Maybe the better question is whether JVZoo has tried, or is trying, to work out a similar arrangement with AWeber or others. I only saw this as GetResponse was first on board and is "exclusive" at this point because a similar deal has not yet been made elsewhere. I didn't read any announcement as meaning GetResponse would not do the same deal with a JVZoo competitor, or that JVZoo would not also try to arrange similar deals with GetResponse competitors.

But, maybe I'm wrong and there is an exclusivity agreement.

At some point JVZoo and/or GetResponse and/or AWeber may want a more unified, single-provider approach, for reasons suggested by the OP. That is their internal business and just my opinion based on experiences in other industries.

Bottom line: this kind of innovative thinking by JVZoo is good for the market and undoubtedly making its owners well-deserved money.

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Dean Shainin 12 years ago

One thing I remembered about GetResponse is that they allowed co-registration leads and Awber did not.

I'm wondering if that has anything to do with any of it?

Maybe that's not the case anymore with Aweber as I have not purchased co-registration leads in a long time and I'm only using Aweber right now and I miss being able to purchase those types of leads. But when I did get those types of leads, I had to use GetResponse for the 5,000 co-registration leads I purchased.

I'm considering signing up to JVZOO soon so that's my primary reason why I'm reading this thread...
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zerofill

12 years ago

Originally Posted by MillionaireMart

I must be missing something cause ive always seen that aweber and getresponse do it without sending out a confirmation link when set to single optin..

Kinda defeats the purpose of having them opted in after purchasing but they still need to confirm?

When I changed my Aweber from confirmed to single every buyer went on my list. Same with getresponse as soon as they sign up or buy thats it they go on the list no confirmation.

Yeah but it is a trick way everyone has to do it that isn't exactly Aweber TOS approved heh. Everyone does it... but they don't want it done... They are a pain in the ass. ( I did the workaround for over 2 years heh)

Aweber wants them to specifically opt in from one of their forums... period...
Or join by mailing using the list email. Any other way with out some work-a-rounds... they are forced to confirm. Which is total bull**** when they are a customer, because they purchased from you.

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GarrieWilson

12 years ago

Ummm.

I don't know the exact details of what JVZoo did for integration but ANYONE who uses GetResponse and has API access can do no confimation opt-ins w/ sales.

You just have to ask GR to turn single on for your API account. Once they see your process, they will. If they approve of how youre doing it that is.

It's not really a big deal.

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Bryan Zimmerman

12 years ago

Originally Posted by GarrieWilson

Ummm.

I don't know the exact details of what JVZoo did for integration but ANYONE who uses GetResponse and has API access can do no confimation opt-ins w/ sales.

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With an account through JVZoo, you don't have to ask permission, fill out any forms or get API access. It's just given to you instantly

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GarrieWilson 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Bryan Zimmerman

With an account through us, you don't have to ask permission, fill out any forms or get API access. It's just given to you

Pass the buyer details and we wont need you to do it and we can use our existing account.

EDIT:

You still need to get API access for JVZoo GR accounts. Your sites instructions even tell you to.

So yeah.

Thought you would know this....

While you are reading.

Why do you ask to paste a GR form when all you need is the campaign name?
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  Originally Posted by GarrieWilson
  
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  You still need to get API access for JVZoo GR accounts. Your sites instructions even tell you to.
  
  It's sent to you instantly in an email, so you don't need to access it. JVZoo gives it to you.
  
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  Originally Posted by Bryan Zimmerman
  
  It's sent to you instantly in an email, so you don't need to access it. JVZoo gives it to you.
  
  Oh ok. Just re-read that you get an API key for trial accounts.
  
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  Oh ok. Just re-read that you get an API key for trial accounts.
  
  Yes, you start with a trial account so you can test it out just like you can create a trial account normally through GetResponse. JVZoo integrated trial account is still single optin. You can upgrade to a normal account any time you wish as the trial account has subscriber number limitations. Each list you create inside JVZoo will follow the same pattern and be single optin instantly.
  
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Leo Wadsworth

12 years ago

I *love* the integration, and it is specifically why I moved from AWeber to GetResponse. Other than that, they are both solid email services, but this caused me to prefer GR.

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Jeffery

12 years ago

Oh boy, autoresponders have always been confusing to me and now they are overly confusing to me.

Old Warrior had a autoresponder, EE-I-EE-I-O,
And on that autoresponder he had a API, EE-I-EE-I-O,
With a GetResponse API here and a Aweber API there
Here a API, there a API, everywhere a API API
Old Warrior had a autoresponder, EE-I-EE-I-O.

The itsy-bitsy JVZoo
Climbed up the autoresponder spout
Down came the single optin
And washed Aweber out
Out came GetResponse
And dried up all the Awber
And the itsy-bitsy JVZoo
Climbed up the autoresponder spout again

Note: Mean that in a good way. Shout outs to JVZoo and GetResponse.

Jeffery 100% :-)

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Dean Shainin

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Jeffery

Oh boy, autoresponders have always been confusing to me and now they are overly confusing to me.

Old Warrior had a autoresponder, EE-I-EE-I-O,
And on that autoresponder he had a API, EE-I-EE-I-O,
With a GetResponse API here and a Aweber API there
Here a API, there a API, everywhere a API API
Old Warrior had a autoresponder, EE-I-EE-I-O.

The itsy-bitsy JVZoo
Climbed up the autoresponder spout
Down came the single optin
And washed Aweber out
Out came GetResponse
And dried up all the Awber
And the itsy-bitsy JVZoo
Climbed up the autoresponder spout again

Note: Mean that in a good way. Shout outs to JVZoo and GetResponse.

Jeffery 100% :-)

Thanks Jeffery,

I just spilled my coffee reading this!

Can someone tell me if I need to have GetResponse to sign up for JVZOO?

EDIT: Looks like you can get a trial...

At this point I only have Aweber.

Cheers,
Dean

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JimDucharme

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Jeffery

Oh boy, autoresponders have always been confusing to me and now they are overly confusing to me.

Old Warrior had a autoresponder, EE-I-EE-I-O,
And on that autoresponder he had a API, EE-I-EE-I-O,
With a GetResponse API here and a Aweber API there
Here a API, there a API, everywhere a API API
Old Warrior had a autoresponder, EE-I-EE-I-O.

The itsy-bitsy JVZoo
Climbed up the autoresponder spout
Down came the single optin
And washed Aweber out
Out came GetResponse
And dried up all the Awber
And the itsy-bitsy JVZoo
Climbed up the autoresponder spout again

Note: Mean that in a good way. Shout outs to JVZoo and GetResponse.

Jeffery 100% :-)

Anything that creative just can't be taken the wrong way. Thanks Jeffery!

Originally Posted by Dean Shainin

Thanks Jeffery,

I just spilled my coffee reading this!

Can someone tell me if I need to have GetResponse to sign up for JVZOO?

EDIT: Looks like you can get a trial...

At this point I only have Aweber.

Cheers,
Dean

No Dean, you don't have to have an established account, as you noticed, there is a trial option.

Regards,
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SebCole

12 years ago

personally im using aweber like many others, but yea it is pretty ironic why they would promote getresponse

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shyanz

12 years ago

Not sure why. Seems like getresponse is having difficulty to accept optins. It happens to some of my IM friends who's receiving thousands Solo Ads blast.

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JimDucharme

12 years ago

hi Shyanz

Not aware of any issues in that regard. have your friend contact support and we will be happy to help. or pm me and i will follow up.

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jim
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Don Schenk

12 years ago

My lists are at Aweber, and I am about to start using JVzoo. That said, I am not opposed to also acquiring a GetResponse account, but I am a little confused. (Happens all the time.)

It the only way to use single opt-in at GetRespons to sign up through JVzoo?
Are the GetResponse prices the same as with a regular GR account?
Can just go to GR to see their pricing, and not have it set a cookie, so I can sign up at GR through JVzoo?

Inquiring mind hasn't had enough caffeine.

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JimDucharme

12 years ago

hi Don

Im on boat on Lake Ontario so pardon short reply.
optin - No but this single optin is integrated with jvzoo
pricing is the same
no problem with checking prices on site. pm me any questions and happy to help.

regards
jd

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Alex Barboza

12 years ago

Is the free GR account ad supported or no ads at all?

Originally Posted by JimDucharme

hi Don

Im on boat on Lake Ontario so pardon short reply.
optin - No but this single optin is integrated with jvzoo
pricing is the same
no problem with checking prices on site. pm me any questions and happy to help.

regards
jd

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dslfarms

12 years ago

I do not care to use jvzoo after slipping up and not looking closer (being in a rush and not seeing the details clearly,(ended up sharing my leads,
after busting my hump to get them !
(Oh sure i'll share=H*ll no bailed out of there immediately)

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