Does an article marketer has to walk the walk?

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Is it necessary to really be doing what you teach others about? Or can you get away with it just by studying the market really good?

And how will they perceive you if you were to tell them that you don't actually use what you teach? Take for example the pet niche: If you were talking about dog care, is it necessary to have a puppy?
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  • Profile picture of the author Bill Hugall
    Not at all. It just helps for those little intangibles a reading education can't giver you. I don't care what niche you are in as long as what you teach works and don't claim to use the method then you are golden.
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  • Profile picture of the author The Great Gordino
    Various ways to approach this...
    1. Be good at doing what you write about.
    2. Pretend to be good at what you write about.
    3. Use a pen name and pretend to be good at what you write about.
    4. Be upfront that you're not necessarily the expert, that you are giving opinions based on what the experts say - that also works well for affiliate products.

    Not all of the above are necessarily good ideas!
    It depends which ones work for you!
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  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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    Personally, I've stuck with niches where I already knew enough information (or could find enough information) to be comfortable creating and giving a live lecture about. In essence, that is what you are doing anyways, just on the internet. So when considering a niche: would you be fine if you were contacted to tour with the Fake Dog Guru Association and be the keynote speaker at all of their events?

    The answer to that question is the answer to the "should I be in this niche" question. Keep in mind though that you can learn and practice to get to that position though. Just don't fake it 'til you make it. Be clear about your role to your readers.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by canyon View Post

    can you get away with it just by studying the market really good?
    Yes, you can with some stuff, as long as ...

    (i) It's not expected by the potential customers that you've done more than that (in the "private jet hire" niche - and don't laugh: it's a big and successful niche - nobody expects you to be someone who hires private jets just because you write articles about the joys and delights of "private flying", as long as you're open about being an affiliate, which is another of the many ways that clear and open disclosures can work to your advantage), and ...

    (ii) You don't imply or pretend otherwise, and claim to be writing "first-hand reviews" when you're not. It's perfectly possible to list the specifications of 20 different flat-screen TV's without having bought any of them, and without being a consumer magazine who receives a freebie of each from its manufacturer, as long as you don't call your website "official consumer reviews" and imply that that is what's happened.

    Originally Posted by canyon View Post

    Does an article marketer has to walk the walk?
    Originally Posted by canyon View Post

    If you were talking about dog care, is it necessary to have a puppy?
    No ... as long as you don't say that you have one.

    These questions are always easier than they look. They boil down to "Am I trying to deceive people and imply something that isn't true?"

    Not to mix metaphors for the sake of it, but walking the walk and talking about dog care fit most appropriately together. You can "walk the dog" and kill two birds with one stone (as it were).
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    • Profile picture of the author Lucian Lada
      I know this is an old thread, but I still have a few questions:

      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      Yes, you can with some stuff, as long as ...

      (i) It's not expected by the potential customers that you've done more than that (in the "private jet hire" niche - and don't laugh: it's a big and successful niche - nobody expects you to be someone who hires private jets just because you write articles about the joys and delights of "private flying", as long as you're open about being an affiliate, which is another of the many ways that clear and open disclosures can work to your advantage), and ...

      (ii) You don't imply or pretend otherwise, and claim to be writing "first-hand reviews" when you're not. It's perfectly possible to list the specifications of 20 different flat-screen TV's without having bought any of them, and without being a consumer magazine who receives a freebie of each from its manufacturer, as long as you don't call your website "official consumer reviews" and imply that that is what's happened.
      These examples make perfect sense, but what if you're in a niche where your advice is expected to come first hand experience, such as running for example?

      I assume there are plenty of resources for running advice, but people do presume you must be a runner, so how can you bypass that expectation without losing credibility? The same thing in the fishing niche, or any other outdoor activity - how can you go around the fact that you're not doing it?
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      • Profile picture of the author fin
        Originally Posted by Lucian Lada View Post

        I know this is an old thread, but I still have a few questions:



        These examples make perfect sense, but what if you're in a niche where your advice is expected to come first hand experience, such as running for example?

        I assume there are plenty of resources for running advice, but people do presume you must be a runner, so how can you bypass that expectation without losing credibility? The same thing in the fishing niche, or any other outdoor activity - how can you go around the fact that you're not doing it?
        What would Nike say in a situation like this?

        Just do it..... swoosh.

        edit: I meant do the activity, not make it up lol.
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Originally Posted by Lucian Lada View Post

        but what if you're in a niche where your advice is expected to come first hand experience, such as running for example?
        Running? Moi?! What, in these shoes?!

        Originally Posted by Lucian Lada View Post

        assume there are plenty of resources for running advice, but people do presume you must be a runner, so how can you bypass that expectation without losing credibility? The same thing in the fishing niche, or any other outdoor activity - how can you go around the fact that you're not doing it?
        Well, you can do it, as Jamie suggests?

        I see what you mean, though, I think ... there are some "practical niches" where it might be harder for you to write anything about it, if you don't have the experience (which is why I won't touch any hi-techie niches, because I barely know how to use a computer ). So you might have to avoid some?

        On the other hand, there are also niches you can cover if you know an expert, or just have an interest, or have studied them without "doing anything" (that might apply, for example, to skin care and many other health niches: you don't need to have acne to have an acne site: you just need not to claim that you have/had acne if you didn't?).
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  • Profile picture of the author Lucian Lada
    Joe, Alexa - as always, good and solid advice. Thank you!

    Alexa (and everyone for that matter), I see you've mentioned TVs, which are expensive and it's not possible, expected, nor practical to own all of them, not even a few. But what about cheaper products, that people would expect you to own in order to review, such as cheap electronics, beauty products, expendables, etc., which are in the $10-$100 range, for example.

    The reason I ask this is because I don't have access to Amazon products, or it could turn out to be very expensive to get my hands on them. (Amazon doesn't ship to my country, so the only viable solution would be mail forwarding which coupled with custom taxes would easily double the prices of the promoted products.)

    Can I get away with being sincere and telling people I've done a lot of research before recommending them these products, and that I didn't actually own them, even telling them that Amazon doesn't ship to my country? Or will it have a negative impact on my conversions?

    As for walking the dog, well, sometimes they make me walk, or to put it more directly, run - stupid street dogs...
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      Originally Posted by canyon View Post

      The reason I ask this is because I don't have access to Amazon products, or it could turn out to be very expensive to get my hands on them. (Amazon doesn't ship to my country, so the only viable solution would be mail forwarding which coupled with custom taxes would easily double the prices of the promoted products.)

      Can I get away with being sincere and telling people I've done a lot of research before recommending them these products, and that I didn't actually own them, even telling them that Amazon doesn't ship to my country? Or will it have a negative impact on my conversions?
      Such a notion of "owning products" before selling them seems to be rather unique to this forum, and perhaps only in the IM niche, but is of little practical requirement anywhere else. Demonstrating your knowledge of product application (ie features, benefits, adaptability, etc) is generally quite adequate.

      Besides high end consumer sales, multi-million dollar business deals are consummated without the sales person having ever seen the physical product, as is often the case for example in corporate sales of industrial machinery and capital equipment.

      Using established marketing practices, Amazon affiliates can do just as well by selling high end products sight unseen; on the weight of their "recommendations" built upon knowledge, credibility and reputation within their niches.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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    But what about cheaper products, that people would expect you to own in order to review, such as cheap electronics, beauty products, expendables, etc., which are in the $10-$100 range, for example.
    Price has little to no bearing on what Alexa is getting at. As long as you don't pretend to own everything that you review, or that you have expertise that you don't, you'll be fine. You'll find reviewers for the types of products you're talking about will either go to users that have used them for opinions or take objective specifications and compare them to similar niche products.

    Ideal? Maybe not, but far from impossible or impractical.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      There's no problem with saying "There's this great book on XYZ that everybody just loves. Check out what these people say" as long as you don't say that you yourself have used the product when you haven't.

      I usually only promote things that I've actually used (which is why I do so little affiliate marketing these days) but if I do promote something like a dog book and I know people who have dogs, I'll use them as a reference if they've used the book themselves.

      But there's no question, the more credibility you have, the more likely you are to make sales.

      If my best friend comes up to me and says, "This is a great CD, you HAVE to get it" I'm going to believe him sooner than I'll believe a total stranger, even if he DID listen to the CD.

      What chance does that total stranger have if in addition to BEING a total stranger, he didn't even listen to the damn CD?

      Get what I'm saying?

      You can get credibility through second hand sources, though they're not as good, but you need some kind of credibility or why would anybody take your word for it?

      Do what you want. But don't expect lousy results when you don't REALLY give people a compelling reason to by product XYZ from you.

      Now, you can offer incentives such as giving them a personal bonus if they buy from you. I will sometimes do that even if I HAVE used the product. That's what separates the successful affiliates from the VERY successful affiliates.

      Anyway, good luck with whatever you decide to do.
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      • Profile picture of the author Lucian Lada
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        If my best friend comes up to me and says, "This is a great CD, you HAVE to get it" I'm going to believe him sooner than I'll believe a total stranger, even if he DID listen to the CD.

        What chance does that total stranger have if in addition to BEING a total stranger, he didn't even listen to the damn CD?

        Get what I'm saying?
        Not sure... I either didn't understand properly, or you made a mistake. Are you trying to say that you're going to believe your friend even if he didn't listen to the CD instead of the stranger who did? Or are you saying that both things being equal (both have listened to the CD) you believe your friend and not the stranger?


        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        You can get credibility through second hand sources, though they're not as good, but you need some kind of credibility or why would anybody take your word for it?
        The marketing model I try to use is to offer a lot of value to people through articles and emails, and once in a while recommend products that will help them, sort of like "by the way, here's a good book that you might enjoy...".

        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        Anyway, good luck with whatever you decide to do.
        Thanks, Steve.
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  • Profile picture of the author Manoj V
    The salesman at the Jaguar showroom promotes cars that he doesn't own. But he still sells it to customers who may have a choice of cars of other brand maufacturers that are equally good.

    Your job as an affiliate is to promote products by appraising visitors to your site about all they need to know about the product and why they need it. An affiliate connects the buyers to the products in order to facilitate a sale.

    Having written that, it is also important that you do enough research about the product that you promote to make your review stand out with its uniqueness.
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  • Profile picture of the author jclindayag
    If you are writing about your passion, then you have the advantage over your writers. But if you write for something that you have no experience of, it is okay as long as you have good grammar and you are able to study the topic a little bit.

    Writer by profession can write anything with value but if you are writer by heart, you can add more value and at the same time catch the attention of your readers.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sushiman1111
    Here's my take:

    Sure, you can read up on something and then - without doing that thing - write about/sell products relating to said thing all day long...but how are you really going to know whether what you're writing is true, or what you're selling actually works? All you have to go on is what someone else has written.

    I've been involved in health/fitness for over three decades now, and I can tell you categorically that 90% of what's written/sold in that niche is pure junk. As a potential customer, it's also very easy for me to see who actually has experience doing what they're writing about/selling vs those who don't. So if you don't have real experience doing whatever it is, I think that there are several downsides:

    1. You might write/sell something that's wrong, and you have no way of knowing.
    2. Potential customers who actually DO do whatever it is will know that you're a fraud, and not buy from you
    3. All you're doing is recycling information - you will never be in a position to discover something new about your niche (which would lead to some real profits, if you find a new way to solve a problem, etc.)

    Bottom line: I wouldn't do it.
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  • Profile picture of the author icoachu
    It depends on how you position your WSO or service--are you offering RESEARCH or are you saying YOU DO THIS and others should too? Two totally different messages which require different 'walks'.
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    • Profile picture of the author salegurus
      Originally Posted by reimer View Post

      As long as you don´t claim to be making $500 million per year, as one article marketer claimed in another thread, you should be just fine.Cheers
      Whaaat, Half Billion Dollars per year doing what? That's just ludicrous...
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  • Profile picture of the author Sarevok
    Lol it depends really.

    If you want your material to have real soul, it should be your own, in which case it would help if you knew what you were talking about.

    But take me for example; I'm a huge computer nerd, and know absolutely nothing about skincare. But, I bet I could write an article enticing about skin care, and more importantly, I could provide to you resources that could definitely help.
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    Doing research on a niche is standard, and sticking to what you know is standard also. In other words, go into a niche that you have extensive knowledge about so that you can be perceived as the obvious expert in your niche. But i think it's important for all kinds of "marketers" should be promoting and selling what they have research about - or know from experience.
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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    If you don't believe what you are telling your readers, no one else is going to believe you either.

    You can write from the angle of your experience, or you can write from the angle of a researcher relying on the experiences of others.

    I have only done the second a few times in my career. The problem in doing that however is that you have to know beyond a doubt that the person you are getting the information from is offering solid information. And when you are relying on someone else's experience to fill out your story, it is always helpful to quote that person within your article.

    If I am writing from the experience of others, I want to pull 3-5 expert opinions into my article, and to share with my readers whose experience I am sharing.

    It all comes down to "integrity", and your readers will see it or not. If you write with "integrity", most of your readers will sense that...

    And if you write from imaginary experience, your readers will sense that as well...

    Your experience is always best, unless your sources are beyond reproach.
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  • Profile picture of the author samithpich
    My 2Cents:

    And how will they perceive you if you were to tell them that you don't actually use what you teach? Take for example the pet niche: If you were talking about dog care, is it necessary to have a puppy?
    Why would you write about dog care if you don't have a dog? Now, if you've had dogs in the past, now thats another matter, if you absolutely love dogs, then its ok, if you say you're a dog lover, and you are then that cool too.

    But if you are writing about dog care, not having a dog, nevre having had a dog, and couldn't give a stuff about dogs then thats another matter...

    If you write about stuff you don't know about then that makes the process sound like a J.O.B to me. Where's the passion and fun in it?

    With so much to write about, with so much unique experience that you and only you have, why not write from the heart.

    I think it's all about being congruent and authentic.

    Yes I've written re-hashed PLR before, skin care and alike, and it was torture.

    Now I write what I know, what I love and what I can teach from personal experience..

    Hope that's helpful...
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