Is this true or will I get in trouble?

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So I wanted to buy some e-books to give away on my site as a list builder. I was looking for something with giveaway, resell or master resell rights. On fiverr there is a guy that is selling some e-books in my niche. This was the conversation I had with him.

ME: "Do you have Master resale rights for the e-books? Did you write them? I want to give it away on my site to build a list can I do that?"

HIM:"Hi,
all of the books in this collection that I have put together are in the public domain and have no copyright, so you can do whatever you like with them.
regards,
xxxxx"

Is this true and how would I figure out if they have a copyright or not? Could I get a DMCA letter for this and can one of those letter get your site banned from google? Should I do this? I really have only found 1 or 2 books in my niche that I can buy resale rights from ebook stores. Is that a safer way?
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  • Profile picture of the author Anthony Gibson
    Good question! I'm gonna look into it and get back to you with a suggestion. If they are all for free on the public domain you should be able to find them, then again that could be annoying and time-consuming. So if he is in fact telling the truth you shooould be ok. I doubt that Google would ban your site for copyright violations(assuming they weren't on the public domain) of such a small scale but you never know so I understand your caution....Hopefully an experienced Warrior chimes in....
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  • Profile picture of the author TheArticlePros
    Check out a copyright: U.S. Copyright Office - Search Copyright Records (US Government site only)

    Your best bet is to go to Google, type in MRR + your niche, and get it from there.

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    • Check out a copyright: U.S. Copyright Office - Search Copyright Records (US Government site only)

      Huh? (she said, with a dumb look on her face)

      You don't have to register a copyright. Any work you create is automatically copyrighted. It doesn't even have to have a copyright notice on it, though it's a good idea to use one.

      I commend the OP for being concerned about the issue. One way to get what he needs would be to pay a trusted author to write it.

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      • Profile picture of the author TheArticlePros
        Originally Posted by fluffythewondercat View Post

        Huh? (she said, with a dumb look on her face)
        I didn't say it.

        You don't have to register a copyright. Any work you create is automatically copyrighted. It doesn't even have to have a copyright notice on it, though it's a good idea to use one.
        100% True. Here's the way copyrights work, courtesy of a nice Wikipedia entry on copyrights:

        In all countries where the Berne Convention standards apply, copyright is automatic, and need not be obtained through official registration with any government office. Once an idea has been reduced to tangible form, for example by securing it in a fixed medium (such as a drawing, sheet music, photograph, a videotape, or a computer file), the copyright holder is entitled to enforce his or her exclusive rights.[10] However, while registration isn't needed to exercise copyright, in jurisdictions where the laws provide for registration, it serves as prima facie evidence of a valid copyright and enables the copyright holder to seek statutory damages and attorney's fees. (In the USA, registering after an infringement only enables one to receive actual damages and lost profits.)
        Basically, you have a copyright on anything that you wrote for a certain amount of time. If you want it to stand up in court, however, you'll need proof. If you wait to obtain said proof until after it goes to court, you will have reduced rights.

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  • Profile picture of the author Knowledge Kick
    I'm interested in adding e-books to a site as well. Please PM me once you figure out the process. I would really appreciate it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Woodward82
    From some years of 'selling' it seemed like he tried to effectively dodge all your questions.

    Guess this doesnt mean that they cant be used or your breaking any laws. (im not sure)

    But it would seem that he dodged those questions for a reason.

    I used to sell DirecTv and would offer a special for HBO or Starz for 3 months.

    I would use a tactic and instead of asking them to purchase the package I would ask them to just try it for a couple weeks, and if they werent satisfied they wouldnt have to pay the x amount of dollars.

    The next question they would ask was "so it's free"? Now it wasnt free, but i couldnt just go and tell them it wasnt free. So i would just repeat myself in saying "sir/maam If you just try it out for a few weeks and dont think it's worth the value we wont charge you the x amount of dollars. just try it out, it's simple"

    Now since we pro-rated the service technically they wouldnt have payed the x amount of dollars if they shut it off before the month was up. But it still wasnt free.

    Point is be careful of people trying to dodge questions, doesnt mean they are lying but could mean there is more to it.

    I just noticed he didnt say weather there were master re-sell rights or weather he wrote the books or not.
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  • Profile picture of the author footballbob06
    I kind of thought the same thing. He was very vague on the rights he had to the material. I guess I will just buy from somewhere else. Its just kind of hard to find books in my niche with MRR or at least giveaway rights. Thanks for everybodies help. Really didn't want to spend a ton of money on an ebook as it is just for list building. Im not selling it and I don't even know how the list will convert so maybe I will wait till I start making money in other ways on the site.
    Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author Woodward82
    Always build a list

    If you cant find anything just make your own
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Originally Posted by footballbob06 View Post

    So I wanted to buy some e-books to give away on my site as a list builder. I was looking for something with giveaway, resell or master resell rights. On fiverr there is a guy that is selling some e-books in my niche. This was the conversation I had with him.

    ME: "Do you have Master resale rights for the e-books? Did you write them? I want to give it away on my site to build a list can I do that?"

    HIM:"Hi,
    all of the books in this collection that I have put together are in the public domain and have no copyright, so you can do whatever you like with them.
    regards,
    xxxxx"

    Is this true and how would I figure out if they have a copyright or not? Could I get a DMCA letter for this and can one of those letter get your site banned from google? Should I do this? I really have only found 1 or 2 books in my niche that I can buy resale rights from ebook stores. Is that a safer way?
    Some people think that the Internet is public domain. I would not buy them. A lot of sellers on Fiverr sell stuff that they have no rights to sell, including WSOs that aren't theirs.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Lenaghan
    Originally Posted by footballbob06 View Post

    I really have only found 1 or 2 books in my niche that I can buy resale rights from ebook stores. Is that a safer way?
    As others have said, it sounds like the seller could be dodging the question. I wouldn't give them away based on his/her response.

    One thing you could do is check Project Gutenberg - free ebooks to see if the books are listed on there. It will depend on the niche but if they are there, then they should be free to use.

    You can read more about what you can do with the books listed there at Permission How-To - Gutenberg

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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      This:

      One thing you could do is check Project Gutenberg - free ebooks to see if the books are listed on there. It will depend on the niche but if they are there, then they should be free to use.

      You can read more about what you can do with the books listed there at Permission How-To - Gutenberg
      If the books are in the public domain - why would you buy them from this guy in the first place?
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      • Profile picture of the author cjreynolds
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        This:



        If the books are in the public domain - why would you buy them from this guy in the first place?
        That's what I was thinking - sounds like he's just a middle-man... you can find public domain stuff yourself without payin some clown for it.
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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          For $5 you can find out if the public domain stuff is any good. If it was written before 1923, it's public domain. Don't laugh, a ton of info product is sold that was written before 1923. You can even sell original versions (not the later editions) of Think And Grow Rich now. Matt Furey is making a real fortune from found old content.

          If I were you, I'd buy it, do a search for the titles, and see if it's public domain or not. May reports and e-books are parts of PLR packages. I just wouldn't sell reprint rights to them.

          Did I mention that we are only talking about $5 here?

          Man, These Fiverr guys sure do a lot for five bucks. How many e-mails would you answer in the hopes of making five dollars?
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  • Profile picture of the author javari
    Are copyright laws not different in many countries? Can anyone tell how this works on the internet? Are the laws of the country of origin of the website applicable?
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  • Profile picture of the author footballbob06
    Lol I was thinking the same thing about how much he did for $5. It's really cheap. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the books are before 1923 as the niche i am in is survival and it has quite a bit of old information that is still relevant and stands the test of time.
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  • Profile picture of the author Wade32
    Why not just create your own ebook? This is your site, your subscribers, and if I were you I wouldn't subject them to anyone's material but your own. your subscribers like to know that it comes from you. Not someone else. Its very easy to create an ebook, and it doesn't take too long.
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  • Profile picture of the author footballbob06
    I guess I could do that, but I really don't know where to start, how to format it and all that good stuff. Much of my information in my posts will be like a how to in my niche anyway. So not sure how to weed out what to put on the site and what to put in an e-book to give more benefit other than what I put on the site. How long should it be?

    Will it be more beneficial for me to use the information to make more blog posts and give people more benefit and get more traffic, or make an e-book to build a list from that information? Most of my posts are between 750-1500 words as it is.

    It probably comes down to my confidence (or lack thereof) in my self and writing something that big, but really it is free anyway so its not like they are paying for it. I don't know how to make the list convert to money after I have it also but know that its good to have one.

    I have really just got very interested in this niche about 6 months ago, but have tons of interest in it. So I don't feel like I am a top authority in it, but I am learning a lot very quickly. Sorry for the rant.
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  • Profile picture of the author jacktackett
    IANAL (I Am Not A Lawyer) - don't even play one on TV - and to my knowledge no one who has posted is one either. I hate to beat a dead horse but one should not rely on this forum for legal advice - plain and simple.

    Think things are in the public domain if they were created before 1923? Tell me if Peter Pan or the lyrics to Happy Birthday are under copyright protection in any country. As one person mentioned above copyright law is different in different countries though most are signatory to various Intellectual Property treaties.

    Also copyright is a law and can be changed at any time.

    As for registration - this is what it provides - defacto proof that YOU are the OWNER of the property. Send that little bar code to an honest web host and see how fast the offending material gets taken down. As others have said it also provides in the US the right to seek damages in court.

    And also you DO NOT have to register as others have said. You can not lose your rights by failure to register or use any specific marks/words etc - you're the owner, but how easy can you prove that without the registration?

    You have to take some sort of action to give up rights to your work - like signing a work for hire contract, a copyright assignment contract, a written affirmation (remember, IANAL) that you are placing the work in the public domain, etc.

    You can also release the work under various licenses like GPL and Creative Commons, but your work does not fall into the public domain - its still yours - but people can only use the content as specified in your license. And please note - there is some, but not a lot, of case law on the gpl and creative commons.

    and finally as I step down from my soap box - remember that ironically IANAL so you should NOT listen to me.....

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  • Profile picture of the author dndoseller
    You will only know after you buy the ebooks and really look at all the fine print in them.

    Then you could ask the seller for a refund if you see a copyright notice.

    I have bought lots products with "master resell rights" and 90% of them were actually not legal to resell - the rest were very low quality.

    For me I stopped selling or giving away any products except my own.

    At the end of the day I felt like I was not really sure and did not want to put my customers at risk.
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    • Profile picture of the author PatriciaJ
      Many ebooks have licenses with them, either separately or within the ebook. The licenses tell you your rights. You need ebooks that include giveaway rights if you want to give them to your list. Resell or master resell rights does not mean that you can give them away.

      It is best to write your own, but I get them free from Surefirewealth.com
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  • Profile picture of the author Bill Hugall
    I don't know if there is anything in your niche here but a simple Google search will do to find what you need and there is no issues when you use the products.



    eBook Master Resale Rights, Private Label Rights PLR, Master Resell Rights is a good place to start there are a ton of them out there. Just scan the products to make sure they offer some value or your list will leave as fast as they came in.
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  • Profile picture of the author omega_one
    When I get PLR ebooks, I like buying them or getting them from the author directly whenever possible.
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  • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
    Here's the first warning signal that something might not be right:

    "Trust me, I've been on fiverr going on three weeks now..."

    PLR and MMR material is cheap enough. Get it from legit sources.
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